网友讨论：东京的生活成本有多高？
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网友：作为一个日本人，我最近看到一篇让我感到很难过的新闻。在日本，好市多的兼职员工的工资一直是1500日元每小时（合计约10美元）。但是这个举措却遭到了日本当地超市的批评，因为这些超市提供的薪资水平大约为每小时6美元，他们担心好市多的高工资会把他们的劳动力都吸引走。
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As a Japanese, I recently came across a news report that made me feel very sad. Costco, operating in Japan, has been hiring part-time workers at a wage of 1,500 JPY ($10) per hour. This move has drawn criticism from local Japanese supermarkets which typically offer around $6 per hour. These businesses are concerned that Costco's high wages will attract their workforce away.
Observing this situation, I couldn't help but feel a sense of despair for the future of my country.
作为一个日本人，我最近看到一篇让我感到很难过的新闻。在日本，好市多的兼职员工的工资一直是1500日元每小时（合计约10美元）。但是这个举措却遭到了日本当地超市的批评，因为这些超市提供的薪资水平大约为每小时6美元，他们担心好市多的高工资会把他们的劳动力都吸引走。
看到这种情形，不禁让我对国家的未来感到了绝望。
Costco is a great company, Japan needs to raise their wages
好市多是一家优秀的企业，日本需要提高薪资水平
Did you know Costco wages in my area of living start from $20 an hour?
你知道吗，我所在的地方，好市多的起薪是20美元每小时
I like companies like Costco. Everyone knows the only way to make money and have a good work-life balance in Japan is to work for 外資系(foreign company). Japanese companies tend to have low salaries, low productivity, and long hours.
我喜欢好市多这样的企业。所有人都知道在日本，如果你既想要赚钱又想要保持生活和工作的平衡，那么唯一的办法就是去外企工作。日本企业往往工资水平低，生产效率低，工作时间长。
随着日本物价不断的上涨，每小时1500日元的工资其实一点也不高。事实上令人恶心的是日本其他大型连锁超市的工资大约只有900日元每小时。
Where I live, it's illegal to pay someone only $10 an hour. The US minimum wage is $15.74/hour.
在我所在的地方，每小时只给员工10美元工资是违法的，美国的最低工资是每小时15.74美元。
In Singapore, the most expensive city in the world, MacDonald still pays a wage of 4$usd/hr
新加坡是世界上生活成本最高的城市，但是麦当劳开出的工资依然只有每小时4美元。
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if you cant pay a decent wage don't open a shop
如果给不了别人体面的工资，那么就别开店
I didn't find Japan to be that expensive when I lived there. I worked as an English teacher so I wasn't rich, but I found it was easy to afford an apartment. Compared to cities in the US, rent is much more affordable in Japan. What I liked about Japan was that even if you weren't making a lot of money, you could still find an apartment to rent that was fairly cheap. But in the US, rents tend to be high. That's why so many people are having to stay with their parents.
我在日本生活的时候并没有发现日本的生活成本有那么高。我是一名英语老师，虽然我不富裕，但是我发现要在日本买一套公寓其实并不难。和美国的城市相比，日本的房租要更加的便宜。我喜欢日本的一点就是即便你赚不到很多钱，你也依然可以租到相当便宜的公寓。但是在美国，房租往往都很高。这就是为什么有那么多人不得不和父母一起住的原因。
Tokyo isn't that expensive anymore. Japan has had a recession continuously since the 90s. The prices more or less stagnated and the yen got weaker and weaker. Tokyo was super expensive back then, but nowadays it is very affordable.
东京物价已经没有那么高了。自上世纪90年代以来，日本经济不断的衰退。物价差不多处于停滞状态，而且日元也在不断走弱。衰退前，东京的物价超级的高，但是现在已经很便宜了。
I came from Zurich, Switzerland and been living here in Tokyo for almost 8 years. And I can tell you that Tokyo ( and Japan ) is NOT expensive at all. It's much more affordable than my own hometown !
我来自瑞士的苏黎世，我在东京生活了差不多八年时间。我可以告诉你的是，东京的物价一点都不高。东京的物价要比我们家乡低多了。
If you live the edge of Tokyo Metropolitan area, the living costs do go down quite a bit and it only takes you about 30-60 minutes by train to go all around central Tokyo. My family of 4 lived in a 2 bedroom apartment in Kanagawa prefecture. The size was about 24m2 and rent was about 900USD, and it comes with a parking spot (some places doesn't include parking). for my salary at the time which was about $3,000 we lived fairly comfortably.
如果你生活在东京都市区边缘地带的话，那么生活成本就会下降一大截，而且乘火车到东京市中心只需要大约30到60分钟。我们一家四口就住在神奈川县的一个两居室的公寓里。公寓面积大约24平米，租金在900美元左右而且还附带一个停车位。就我当时3000美元左右的工资来说，我们当时过的相当舒适。
How can a family of 4 live in 24 m2 ?
That is the size of my studio in Paris. I used to pay 700 euros (770 dollars) per month. And this is considered small for only 1 person.
一家四口能住在24平那么小的房子里？这和我在巴黎的工作室面积差不多大。这个工作室的租金是每月700欧元。就算是只生活一个人，这样的房间也可以算是很狭窄了。
Just moved here with my wife. Spent 5 months here prior. Japan is very affordable as long as you don't live an ultra luxury lifestyle. Rents vary wildly by area, but even buying a home here is cheap. I can buy a 4 bed house in the the countryside for $200'000 USD. That would only be the down-payment on a smaller house in Toronto or London. Food is cheaper here than it was in the Philippines
我刚刚和妻子搬到了这里。我之前在这里生活过五个月的时间。只要不过的那么奢靡，日本的生活还是完全负担的起的。虽然日本各地租金差异很大，但是房子的价格还是很便宜的。20万美元就可以在日本农村买到一个四居室的房子。如果是在多伦多或者伦敦，20万美元只能够作为首付款而已，而且房子面积还没有日本的大。这里食品的价格要比菲律宾更加便宜。
It's all relative, if I as a foreigner making an American salary went to Japan I'd also find it cheap to live there.
这都是相对的，如果我拿着美国的薪水而去日本生活，我也会觉得日本的生活成本很低。
japan is kinda socialist country.. because almost every person has kinda similar range salary. unless you are doctor.
in japan salary for engineer doesnt have a large gap with non-engineer .
but, japan wasnt a country that can make people rich no matter how hard you work.
日本有点像是社会主义国家，因为几乎每个人的工资水平都差不多，除非你是医生。
在日本，工程师和非工程师之间的工资差距并不大。
但是在日本，无论你多么努力，你都无法成为富人。
Yea I when I visited I was shocked how cheap it was
是的，在我访问日本期间，日本便宜的物价让我感到很惊讶
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@kelvin14045 I agree. No matter how hard you work. U get promoted and then u received an above average income your tax bracket will be around 40%-45%. So nothing change, U just gonna work a lot harder bcuz u get promoted. LM
我同意你的说法，不管你多么努力，你都无法成为富人。就算你升了职，工资超过了平均水平，但是你的个人所得税的税率将会达到40%到45%左右。所以你的财富水平并不会因为升职而发生什么变化，而且你还会因为升职而工作的更加辛苦，哈哈
@kelvin14045
No, in Japan, you can make the most money working in the financial industry. And the media pays pretty well.
不，在日本，你可以进入金融行业工作，这是日本收入最高的一个行业，还有媒体行业的工资也很不错。
@makelzs2708 This is the same in many European countries. Even if you don't earn much like €1500 you'll still pay about 40% tax.
很多欧洲国家同样也是如此。即便你的工资并不高，比如说1500欧元，那么也一样要交40%的税。
@kelvin14045 Here in Spain a teacher, an engineer or a doctor, all of them have the same salary (below 30k€/year).
Blue-collar jobs (18-20K€) are only slightly over minimum wage (15K€).
在西班牙这里，老师工程师和医生的工资都差不多（年薪在3万欧元以下）
蓝领工作（年薪1.8万到2万欧元）只比最低薪资水平高那么一点而已（最低年薪1.5万欧元）。
The obsession with Tokyo is a big factor. The greater Tokyo area (includes some of neighbouring prefectures ) has more people than Canada. If some companies could be encouraged to move out of the capital, their workers would have better quality of life.
一个很重要的因素是人们对东京非常痴迷。大东京区的人口比加拿大还要多。如果能够鼓励一些企业搬往其他地方的话，那么员工们就能获得更好的生活质量。
I was in Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka and Okinawa four months ago, and eating out in restaurants in Japan was 30-40% cheaper than in California. About four months ago, the exchange rate was $10 usd to $1,320 yen. Taxi in Kyoto and Osaka was cheap. 2-3 miles for me was an average of $900 yen. Taxi in Tokyo was about 3x more expensive than Kyoto and Osaka, but taxi in Tokyo was still cheaper than Las Vegas.
四个月前，我去了东京，京都，大阪和冲绳，在日本饭店吃饭要比在加州吃饭便宜30%到40%。大约四个月前，美元和日元的汇率是1美元可以兑换132日元。在京都和大阪做出租车很便宜。两到三英里平均只要900日元。东京出租车的价格要比京都和大阪贵3倍左右，但是东京的出租车价格依然比拉斯维加斯便宜。
We have the same problem im France where Paris gets most of the work opportunities but also the highest living and rent costs… maybe the solution is to encourage businesses and especially big companies to move elsewhere.
在法国我们也有同样的问题，虽然巴黎有大部分的工作机会，但是这里也是法国生活成本和房租最高的地方，或许解决方法就是鼓励企业尤其是大企业搬到其他地方。