QA问答：我是尼日利亚人，我认为埃及艳后和我一样是个黑人。最近，我看到人们在否认这一点。为什么？
I’m Nigerian and I think Cleopatra was black like me. Lately, I saw people denying this. Why?
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无论你多么希望她是黑人，这都不会改变她是希腊人的事实。
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I’m Nigerian and I think Cleopatra was black like me. Lately, I saw people denying this. Why?
我是尼日利亚人，我认为埃及艳后和我一样是个黑人。最近，我看到人们在否认这一点。为什么？
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Because you are wrong. It doesn't matter what you think if you are wrong you are wrong. Cleopatra was from a highly inbred Macadonian-Greek dynasty that ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great invaded the country.
No matter how much you want her to be black it doesn't change the fact she was Greek. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and read a history book.
因为你是错的。不管你是怎么想的，如果你错了，你就是错了。埃及艳后克利奥帕特拉，来自亚历山大大帝入侵埃及后，统治埃及的马其顿希腊王朝。
无论你多么希望她是黑人，这都不会改变她是希腊人的事实。帮自己和其他人一个忙，读读历史书。
They deny it because we know what Cleopatra looked like and she was not black. Cleopatra was Greek. She looked Greek. There are coins, statues and artwork depicting her. Cleopatra in modern clothes would not stand out in Athens, but she would in Lagos.
他们否认这一点，是因为我们知道埃及艳后长什么样子，而且她不是黑人。埃及艳后是希腊人。她一看就是个希腊人。有硬币、雕像和艺术品为证。身着现代服装的埃及艳后，在雅典不会引人注目，但在拉各斯（尼日利亚一级行政区）会引人注目。
I am an Englishman, and I rely upon facts. There are enough images of Cleopatra, as well as her family history recorded to record the truth. Get over it, get a job, and stop whining about facts you cannot deny.
我是一个英国人，我相信事实。有足够多的埃及艳后的照片，以及她的家族历史记录，它们记录了真相。忘掉它，找份工作，别再去抱怨你无法否认的事实了。
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Because it is well known that the Ptolemaic dynasty, from Macedonia (in Europe north of Greece) ruled Egypt from the time of Alexander the Great. The Ptolemies did not marry in with the Egyptians, and even went so far as to practice brother-sister incest to avoid such intermarriage. They would marry into other Alexandrian successor dynasties (Seleucid and Antigonid) to cement alliances with them, but not with Egyptians. Cleopatra was of Macedonian and not African lineage.
众所周知，从亚历山大大帝时期起，来自马其顿（希腊以北的欧洲）的托勒密王朝统治着埃及。托勒密王朝的人没有与埃及人通婚，甚至为了避免这种通婚而实行兄弟姐妹乱伦。他们会嫁入其他亚历山大王朝（塞琉古王朝和安提哥尼王朝），以巩固与他们的联盟，但不会与埃及人结盟。埃及艳后是马其顿血统，而非非洲血统。
There are statues of Cleopatra from the time when she lived, and she did not have Bantu Features. As for black skin, there is no such descxtion of her on record.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of your African heritage, but it is dishonest to invent historical events that didn’t happen.
这与白人的说法无关，这只是有据可查的历史。
有埃及艳后生前的雕像为证，雕像没有班图人的特征。至于黑皮肤，记录中没有这样的描述。
为自己的非洲传统感到骄傲并没有错，但编造没有发生的历史事件是不诚实的。
You are not a Nigerian. You are some insecure white guy with hatred towards black people and therefore you created a fake profile to invite answers against black people with the standard “we wuz kangz" narrative.
你不是尼日利亚人。你是一个缺乏安全感的白人，对黑人怀有仇恨，因此你创建了一个虚假的个人资料，用标准的“我们是某某人”的叙事来邀请针对黑人的答案。
Because there have been a spate of ludicrous questions claiming that Cleopatra was black or, even more stupidly, African American.
As every sane person with the slightest grasp of history has pointed out, Cleopatra was of Macedonian descent and born in North Africa. You can certainly say she was African but your claims about her ethnicity are laughably wrong.
You should stick with your earlier understanding of Cleopatra and avoid treating Netflix dramas as facts.
因为有一系列荒唐的问题，声称埃及艳后是黑人，或者有更愚蠢的答案，说是非裔美国人。
正如每一个对历史有丝毫了解的理智的人所指出的那样，埃及艳后是马其顿后裔，出生在北非。你当然可以说她是非洲人，但你关于她的种族的说法是可笑的错误。
你应该坚持你早期对埃及艳后的理解，避免把网飞的剧集当作事实。
题主的另一个问答：我看过网飞把埃及艳后描绘成一个黑人女人。她是一个古老的非裔美国人，这是真的吗？我以为她是一位希腊女士。
I totally understand that people want to be interesting and have exotic ancestors. When I was five I told my friends that the Six Million Dollar Man was my father. It didn’t make it so.
Sorry Steve and Uncle Bigfoot.
我完全理解人们想要更有趣，想要有异国情调的祖先。当我五岁的时候，我告诉我的朋友，无敌金刚是我的父亲。但事实并非如此。
对不起，史蒂夫和大脚怪叔叔。
Debra Bolling
Cleopatra was a member of the Ptolemaic Kingdom which was an ancient Greek state based in Egypt. It was founded in 305 BC by Ptolemy I Soter, a companion of Alexander the Great, and lasted until her death in 30 BC.
There are blacks in Eqypt but the majority of native Egyptians are various shades of brown.
埃及艳后是托勒密王国的成员，托勒密是一个以埃及为基地的古希腊国家。它由亚历山大大帝的同伴托勒密一世·索特于公元前305年建立，一直持续到公元前30年他去世的时候。
埃及有黑人，但大多数埃及人都是不同深浅的棕色。
Because you are wrong, is the simple answer to that.
She was descended from Macedonian Greeks, and thus ethnically not African in the slightest.
简短回答：你错了。
她是马其顿希腊人的后裔，因此在种族上一点也不属于非洲人。
Because Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek, not sub-Saharan African or even Middle Eastern. She was not Black. Period. That’s it. There are wonderful examples of Black icons throughout history which no one denies were Black. In fact, we celebrate them. I suggest learning to do the same with those historical figures some Black people have coopted into a culture that is not theirs. If appropriation bothers you, then this should too. You’re appropriating Greek and Egyptian culture. So be philosophically and ideologically consistent.
因为埃及艳后是马其顿希腊人，而不是撒哈拉以南的非洲人，甚至不是中东人。她不是黑人。就是这样。历史上有很多黑人偶像的例子，没有人否认他们是黑人。事实上，我们为他们庆祝。我建议学习对那些历史人物也这样做，一些黑人已经融入了一种不是他们的文化。如果挪用让你感到困扰，那么我们亦如是。你在挪用希腊和埃及文化。因此，要在哲学和意识形态上保持一致。
“I’m Nigerian and I think Cleopatra was black like me. Lately, I saw people denying this. Why?
Why do you think that? The world then - and the world now - always knew and still knows that Cleopatra was Greek, and Greeks are not ‘black.’
“我是尼日利亚人，我认为埃及艳后和我一样是个黑人。最近，我看到人们在否认这一点。为什么？”
你为什么会这么认为？当时的世界，现在的世界，一直都知道，并且仍然知道，埃及艳后是希腊人，希腊人不是“黑色的”。
Because this is not a matter of opinion, so your opinion doesn't matter.
Cleopatra was Greek, not Black.
因为这不是意见问题，所以你的意见无关紧要。
埃及艳后是希腊人，而不是黑人。
She was black, the cave man will say she was anything but black. You can notice a pattern here by those clowns. The Jews were white, the Egyptians were white, Cleopatra was white. All of a sudden they replaced everything with them.
她是黑人，洞穴人才会说她不是黑人。你可以注意到那些小丑的典范。犹太人是白人，埃及人是白人，埃及艳后是白人。突然之间，他们把所有的一切都换成了他们。
Because she was from Macedonia, a daughter of one of Alexander the Great's generals.
The fact that you think something does not make it so. As Robert A. Heinlein said, "Reality doesn't care what you think about it."
因为她来自马其顿，是亚历山大大帝的一位将军的女儿。
事实上，你认为某件事是怎么样的，并不能使它成为现实。正如 Robert A. Heinlein 所说：“现实不在乎你怎么想。”
When did you convert from being Abyssinian to being Nigerian?
你是什么时候，从阿比西尼亚人变成尼日利亚人的？
Cleopatra was a Greek colonizer. She was not Egyptian. Alexander the Great conquered Egypt and his generals created kingdoms over the areas he conquered.
埃及艳后是希腊殖民者。她不是埃及人。亚历山大大帝征服了埃及，他的将军们在他征服的地区建立了王国。
Honestly, even if you are really African.
Why would you ever want to claim Cleopatra?
She isn’t even a role model and isn’t as interesting as other historical African Queens around the continent. She was also an inbred.
I really don’t know why so many Black people are obsessed with her.
Maybe focus on Queens like Queen of Sheba, Amina, Nzinga, Nandi etc.
If you really want to represent a black Egyptian Queen then Nefertiti would have been good.
老实说，即使你真的是非洲人。
你为什么要认领埃及艳后呢？
她甚至不是一个行为榜样，也不像非洲大陆其他历史上的非洲皇后那样有趣。她还是近亲繁殖的。
我真的不知道为什么这么多黑人都对她着迷。
也许应该重点关注：希巴女王、Amina、Nzinga、Nandi等王后。
如果你真的找出以为具有代表性的埃及黑人王后，那么纳芙蒂蒂会很好。
First you say that you are a Black American then from Eritrea and then you are something else.
Dear questioner please seek medical help as you can not be everything at once and that shows split personality syndrome.
Then please buy a history book and stop asking this question over and over again, as it makes you into a troll nothing else
最开始，你说你是美国黑人，然后，你说你来自厄立特里亚，然后，你又变成了其他地方的人。
亲爱的提问者，请寻求医疗帮助，因为你不可能同时成为所有人，这表明你患有人格分裂综合症。
然后，请去买一本历史书，不要再一遍又一遍地问这个问题了，因为它会让你变成一个巨魔。
In terms of her appearance, ancient sources describe Cleopatra as beautiful, but do not provide much detail beyond that. There are some depictions of her in ancient art that show her with typically Greek features, such as a straight nose and curly hair. However, these depictions may have been idealized or influenced by artistic conventions of the time.
Ultimately, the question of Cleopatra's race and ethnicity may never be definitively answered. It is possible that she looked like someone from Nigeria or had similar physical features, but it is also possible that she had a different appearance altogether.
就她的外表而言，古代资料称埃及艳后很漂亮，但除此之外没有提供太多的细节。在古代艺术品中有一些对她的描绘，显示了她典型的希腊特征，比如直鼻子和卷发。然而，这些描绘可能被理想化了，或者受到了当时艺术惯例的影响。
最后，埃及艳后的种族和民族问题，可能永远不会得到明确的答案。她可能看起来像尼日利亚人，或者有着相似的身体特征，但也有可能她的外表与尼日利亚人完全不同。
You are not nigerian (you claim to live in eritrea…), you ask dozens of times the same question, you are a troll…
你不是尼日利亚人（你声称住在厄立特里亚…），你问了几十次同样的问题，你是个巨魔……
Cleopatra was neither Egyptian nor African. She was Ptolemaic. They weren’t black. Or Egyptian. Or African. Pretty much Greek.
埃及艳后既不是埃及人，也不是非洲人。她就是托勒密。他们不是黑人。或者埃及人。或者非洲人。他们是漂亮妩媚的希腊人。
She may have had brown skin — Ptolemy I Soter became rule of Egypt in 323 BC and Cleopatra was born about 250 years later. Arabs and other Egyptian ethnicities have brown skin and darker skin is usually the dominant genetic makeup. However, the Ptolemy family tree, and Ptolemy was from Macedonia, didn’t exactly branch very often (for instance, Cleopatra was initially married to her own brother and, after one brother she was married to died, she was married to a second brother in order to keep power in the family), so she may have had white skin as well. Further, two coins and two busts of Cleopatra made during her life appear to depict her as Macedonian.
她可能有棕色的皮肤，托勒密一世是在公元前323年成为埃及的统治者的，大约250年后埃及艳后出生。阿拉伯人和其他埃及种族的皮肤是棕色的，深色皮肤通常是显性基因。然而，托勒密家族（托勒密来自马其顿）并不经常分支（例如，埃及艳后最初是与自己的兄弟结婚，与她结婚的一个兄弟去世后，她与第二个兄弟结婚，以保持家族的权力），所以她可能也有白皮肤。
此外，埃及艳后生前制作的两枚硬币和两尊半身像，似乎都将她描绘成马其顿人。
All your questions are fake… You are trying to sow hatred for certain ethnicities.
You even say in your bio that you are for the ethnic cleansing of the Bantu people, who are a large portion of what is considered “Black” Africa. So why are you pretending to ask questions like this? You seem to be trying to get people to think all Bantus are stupid or ignorant.
Here is a quote from this scumbag's Quora bio: “Member of the Non-Ivinian party (anti-Atlanticism), Anti- Bantuism (Cultural appropriation and ethinical washing), nationalist and cultural stressor.”
Reported, because people like you are just fucking evil.
你所有的问题都是假的……你试图散播对某些种族的仇恨。
你甚至在简历中说，你支持对班图人进行种族清洗，班图人是被非洲“黑人”尊重的一大部分人。那么你为什么要乔装起来问这样的问题呢？你似乎试图让人们认为所有的班图人都是愚蠢或无知的。
这是这个卑鄙小人在Quora简历中的一句话：“反对伊万尼亚党的成员（反大西洋主义）、反班图主义（文化挪用和道德清洗）、民族主义和文化压力源。”
世界因为你这样的人的存在，才道德败坏。
I am Ivoirian and I think Cleopatra was not black and nobody truly know what color was her skin just a bunch of speculation. I am really tired to have our history destroy by misinformation and propaganda.
Accepting false information doesn't help our culture and generally make us more ignorant and repulsive to the truth and please stop thinking if there's not fact behind.
Please don't fall into “my truth logic" because there's only one truth.
And please take time to do actual research and after came back perhaps with the same opinion but with a better information
我是科特迪瓦人，我认为埃及艳后不是黑人，没有人真正知道她的皮肤是什么颜色。只有一堆猜测。我真的厌倦了让我们的历史被错误信息和宣传摧毁。
接受虚假信息无助于我们的文化，通常会让我们对真相更加无知和排斥，如果没有事实支撑，请停止思考这个问题。
请不要陷入“我的真理逻辑”，因为真理只有一个。
请花点时间做实际的研究，然后回来，也许有同样的意见，但有更好的信息。
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Regardless of what you think history tells us otherwise. Cleopatra was of Macedonian Greek descent.
不管你怎么想，历史告诉我们的都是相反的。埃及艳后是马其顿希腊后裔。
While she was the Pharaoh of Egypt, she was Greek.
And as a Nigerian, I’m sure that you’ve noticed Egyptians don’t have the same color of skin as Nigerians anyway.
当她是埃及法老时，她是希腊人。
作为一个尼日利亚人，我相信你已经注意到埃及人的肤色与尼日利亚人不同。
You probably think all of Africa is Nigeria. It's like the French thinking all Europe is France. Even worse! Or a Chinese thinking all Asia is China.
Cleopatra was from an inbred Greek dynasty and Egyptians aren't Black. You're West Sub-Saharan African. No connection at all.
你可能认为整个非洲都是尼日利亚的。这就像法国人认为整个欧洲都是法国的。更糟糕的是，或者一个中国人认为整个亚洲都是中国的。
埃及艳后来自一个近亲繁殖的希腊王朝，埃及人不是黑人。你是撒哈拉以南非洲西部的人。你们没有任何亲戚关系。
Okay, let me explain.
I do a lot of remodeling and repair job's and most of my customers are Middle eastern. I've had to do work for people who are Arabs, Egyptian, Pakistani, Turkey, Israeli and people from India. None were Black or White, they are in-between. Some are a light tan like the Israeli and some Arabs could pass as Hispanic. Egypitian are a darker tan, but in No way would you mistake them for White or Black.
好吧，让我解释一下。
我做了很多改造和维修工作，我的大多数客户都是中东人。我不得不为阿拉伯人、埃及人、巴基斯坦人、土耳其人、以色列人和印度人工作。
不是黑人，也不是白人，他们介于两者之间。有些人像以色列人一样是浅棕褐色皮肤，有些阿拉伯人可以被认为是西班牙裔。埃及人是一种较深的棕褐色皮肤，但在任何情况下，你都不会把它们误认为是白色或黑色。
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Cleopatra VII Philopator was Queen of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt from 51 to 30 BC, and its last active ruler. A member of the Ptolemaic dynasty, she was a descendant of its founder Ptolemy I Soter, a Macedonian Greek general and companion of Alexander the Great. She wasn’t black, at best she had an olive hue.
克利奥帕特拉七世·菲洛帕特尔，是公元前51年至30年埃及托勒密王国的王后，也是埃及最后一位活跃的统治者。她是托勒密王朝的一员，是托勒密王朝创始人托勒密一世·索特的后代，托勒密一世是马其顿希腊将军，也是亚历山大大帝的伙伴。埃及艳后不是黑人，充其量是橄榄色。
Honestly, she was probably a very dark skinned arabic person. But when we say “black” we don't think arabic, we think african, jaican, etc.
So for a lot of people to be dark skinned like that it also feels like it's a statement that cleopatra isn't Egyptian. People are doing this a lot where they are trying to inject different races and such to get attention. So people also might be annoyed .
老实说，她可能是一个皮肤很黑的阿拉伯人。但当我们说“黑人”时，我们想到的不是阿拉伯人，而是非洲人、牙买加人等。
因此，对于很多人来说，像这样的深色皮肤也让人觉得有这样一种说法：即埃及艳后不是埃及人。人们经常这样做，他们试图把她注入不同的种族来获得关注。因此，人们可能会非常恼火。
If you use american standard she was a “Person of color”
If you use european standards she was due to her anchestors Greek/persian/arabic
Given Egypt is north of the sahara, egypt is and was mainly populated by people native to the mediterranian area, you would need to have a very broad definiton of “black” to consider her “black”.
The very little of what we know about her looks she did not stand out in an roman or greek crowd, people commented more on her great intellect and political and social skills than her appearance, that she was a looker was probably added very much later after her death, the coins with her profile are more of an very average looking woman typical to the mediterranian area that could have lived in greece, rome or aegypt as well.
Egyptian statues and busts of her show the stylized pharaonic features of her dynasty, an elongated idealised face of arabic/persian looks.
如果你用美国标准，她就是“有色人种”。
如果你使用欧洲标准，她的种族还取决于她的另一个祖先：希腊人、波斯人、阿拉伯人。
鉴于埃及位于撒哈拉以北，埃及现在和过去主要由地中海地区的原住民居住，你需要对“黑人”有一个非常广泛的定义，才能认为她是“黑人”。
我们对她的长相知之甚少。她在罗马或希腊的人群中并不突出，人们更多地评论她的才智、政治和社交技能，而不是她的外表。
她是一个长相出众的人这种说法，这可能是在她去世很久后才被加上的，看有她头像的硬币，她更像是一个长相非常普通的女性，典型地生活在地中海地区的相貌，生活在希腊、罗马或埃及都可能具有这样的特征。
她的埃及雕像和半身像，展示了她所在王朝风格化的法老特征，一张阿拉伯/波斯长相的细长的理想化的脸。
Because her contemporaries , who knew Cleopatra in the flesh, snf historians who have written about her for millennia. describe Cleopatra’s skin as being white “as alabaster”; her hair blondish and her eyes olive-toned. she was of 100% of Greek descent, after all, and took great care in maintaining the whiteness of her skin by periodically taking baths in she-donkeys milk, if you want to have a historical black heroine e look at the Queen of Sheba: she was powerful, intelligent , beautiful, and black. King Solomon wrote his famous erotic-romantic poem “Song of songs” for her; the poem appears, of all places, in the Bible!
因为与她同时代的人，他们对埃及艳后有着切身的了解，他们描述过她，几千年来，他们就是这方面的历史工作者。他们将埃及艳后的皮肤描述为“像雪花石膏一样”的白色，她的头发蓬松，眼睛呈橄榄色。她是100%的希腊后裔。她会定期用驴奶洗澡，以保持皮肤的白皙。
如果你想看到一位历史上的黑人女英雄，看看希巴女王：她强大、聪明、美丽、是黑人，所罗门国王曾经为她写了一首著名的情色浪漫诗《雅歌》。这首诗出现在，所有地方，包括《圣经》。