网友讨论：印度和印尼，谁才是发展速度最快的经济体？
India and Indonesia: The Race to Becoming the Fastest Growing Economies
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网友：来自印度的爱，我喜欢印尼和印尼人民，总的来说他们似乎都很谦虚很有礼貌。让我们一起崛起吧
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网友讨论：印度和印尼，谁才是发展速度最快的经济体？
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Love to Indonesia from India. I love Indonesia and Indonesian people. They seem humble and polite in general. Let's rise together
来自印度的爱，我喜欢印尼和印尼人民，总的来说他们似乎都很谦虚很有礼貌。让我们一起崛起吧
I think Indonesia has advantage in logistics. They are closer to developed economies of East Asia. Their transport system will be based on Water, much better than India's land based transport. But India has advantage in population. A lot more workforce. Also currently better in digital infrastructure and IT.
我认为印尼在物流方面具有优势。他们距离东亚发达经济体的距离更近。他们的交通系统以水运为基础，这要比印度的陆运交通系统好很多。但是印度在人口方面具有优势。印度有很多的劳动力。而且印度的数字基础设施和IT技术要比印尼好。
Population can be a double edged sword tho. Have to invest in human capital, else they only become a burden
但人口可能会成为一把双刃剑。印度必须要对人力资本进行投资，否则他们只会成为印度的负担
What's make you think water based transport system is better than land based transport ? , I believe land based transport is much more cheaper that water based transport because it is much more quick to transport goods from Province to another Province, in Indonesia different island has different price for products because cost of transport. So you guys has more advantage tho .
是什么让你认为水运交通要比陆运交通好的？我认为陆运要比水运更加便宜，因为货物从一个省运到另一个省要快很多，但是在印尼，不同的岛屿，产品价格也是不同的，因为运输成本不一样。所以你们印度有更大的优势。
India has massive railways which is the fastest and most efficient form of logistic transport.
印度有庞大的铁路网，这是最快最有效的物流运输方式。
@Sunil Meena the main problem is most their infrastructure are concentrated on one small island of java. In fact most of indonesia industry,highway,railroad,and other infrastructure are located in java island.
And also indonesia have a geography of mauntanous dense forrest, make building an infrastructure are very difficult
主要问题是他们大部分的基础设施都集中在小小的爪洼岛上。事实上，印尼大部分的工业，高速公路，铁路和其他基础设施都在爪洼岛上。
而且印尼多山，森林茂密，所以在印尼建设基础设施非常困难
We love indonesia , let's grow together , this is indeed an asian century
Love from india
我们爱印尼，让我们一起崛起吧，这是亚洲世纪，来自印度的爱
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We can grow together strong. Hope both countries achieve good success
我们可以一起发展壮大。希望两个国家都可以取得成功
Indonesia's leading strength isn't its exports of natural resources, it's domestic consumption. Basically what Indo produces, Indo consumes, and then steadily grows in the process.
印尼的主要优势不在于自然资源的出口，而在于国内消费。基本上，印尼可以做到自产自销，然后在这个过程中实现增长。
same for India. 60% of India's GDP is consumption based.
印度同样也是如此，印度60%的gdp都来自于消费
India's Budget is the World's FOURTH BIGGEST ON THE PLANET with $ 550 Billion Dollars in 2023, And a Massive $ 120 Billion Dollars Is Going for Just Mass Infrastructure Building for just an year
印度2023年的预算是5500亿美元，是世界上预算第四多的国家，而且我们一年的基础设施建设预算就高达1200亿美元
$550 Billion is just the Central Government's Budget in FY 2023-24. When you include the state government budgets, it will likely be around $1 Trillion.
5500亿美元只是中央政府2023-2024财年的预算。如果将邦政府的预算也算进去，那么印度各级政府预算有可能达到1万亿美元左右
Death Parade still less German central budget is like 2 trillion dollar
没有德国中央政府预算多，德国中央政府预算是在2万亿美元左右
Abhay Patel German economy is also larger. Compare it with UK, a similarly sized economy.
德国经济比印度大。印度应该和经济规模相似的英国比
@Death Parade No, India's Central Budget is way ahead of Germany, Germany's Budget is Only $ 470 Billion Dollars and India's is $ 550 Billion Dollars and it rose by $ 60 Billion Dollars in 2022
不，印度的中央政府预算要比德国多很多，德国预算只有4700亿美元，印度是5500亿美元，比2022年多了600亿美元
As an Indian, The one thing I like about Indonesia is even though it's majority Muslim country... It never feels like one(Middle eastern or Pakistan)
It's modernised like Turkey.
People wear modern dresses, Have normal elections.
Maybe the reason is - Indonesia has a unique culture due to its Past.
我是一个印度人，印尼有一点是我很喜欢的，那就是虽然它是一个以穆斯林为主的国家，但是它给人的感觉和巴基斯坦或者中东国家完全不一样
它和土耳其一样是一个现代化国家
人们穿着现代服装，还有正常的选举
或许这是因为由于历史原因，导致印尼的文化与众不同。
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The thing that I can't like about India, it doesn't feel modernized at all, in fact the religion is leading politics there
我不喜欢印度的地方在于印度一点都不现代化，事实上，在印度，政治是受宗教主导的
卍Wraith卐
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开什么玩笑，印尼比阿富汗更加极端
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You don't know about indonesia then
你根本不了解印尼
@卍Wraith卐 Deliberately spreading misinformation on the internet be like
你这是有意在网上传播错误信息
@Omar N
it doesn't feel modernized at all? - India has 2X of Indonesia's GDP in 2022.
Most of Urban class doesn't care much about Religion.
They care about Wealth, Security & Infrastructure.
GDP is rising.
We got huge benefits during Russia Ukraine by cheap oil. No one forced us to take side.
I am Atheist too.
印度一点都不现代化？2022年印度gdp是印尼的两倍。
生活在城市里面的大部分人并不怎么关心宗教。
他们在乎的是财富，安全和基础设施
印度的gdp正不断增长
在俄乌冲突期间，通过廉价石油我们获得了巨大的好处。没有人逼我们站队。
而且我也是一个无神论者
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Indonesia is a Muslim country and Indonesians are proud Musli...
印尼是一个穆斯林国家，印尼人是骄傲的穆斯林
@Kedar true India GDP 2x of Indonesia GDP.
IMF estimates GDP (Nominal) Per capita in Indonesia & India in 2023
Indonesia: $5.016
India: $2.601
GDP (PPP) Per capita in 2023
Indonesia: $15.855
India: $9.073
GDP (Nominal) in 2023
India: $3,735 Trillion (5)
Indonesia: $1,391 Trillion (16)
GDP (PPP) in 2023
India: $13,033 Trillion (3)
Indonesia: $4,398 Trillion (7)
Population in 2023
India: 1.426.716.500 (1)
Indonesia: 277.202.000 (4)
HDI in 2021
Indonesia: 0,705
India: 0,633
没错，印度的gdp是印尼的两倍
国际货币基金组织预计2023年印度和印尼的名义人均gdp是：
印尼5016美元，印度2601美元
2023年购买力平价人均gdp
印尼15855美元，印度9073美元
2023年名义gdp
印度3.74万亿美元，排名第五，印尼1.39万亿美元，排名第16
2023年购买力平价gdp
印度13.03万亿美元，排名第三，印尼4.4万亿美元，排名第七
2023年人口
印度14.27亿，排名第一，印尼2.77亿，排名第四
2021年人类发展指数
印尼0.705，印度0.633
I think Saudi Arabia, UEA, Qatar, Iran and Egypt more modernized than India.
我认为沙特，阿联酋，卡特尔，伊朗，和埃及要比印度更加现代化
India can become economic and military power but i think it will atleast take 50 yrs from now to become developed country
印度可以成为经济和军事强国，但是我认为至少要50年时间印度才能成为一个发达国家。
It is somewhat worrying that Indonesia depends on China, the aggressive country . Both countries can benefit from each other, technology of India with natural resources of Indonesia.
令人担忧的是，印尼依赖咄咄逼人的中国。印尼应该和印度加强交流，这对于两个国家都有好处，印度有技术，而印尼有资源。
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if you don't know, We are also depend on India in pharmaceutical and medical equipments.
如果你不知道的话，我可以告诉你，我们在药品和医疗设备上也很依赖印度
Indonesia is the leader on no alignment movement in cold war we have right to build any relationship with any country
在冷战时期，印尼是不结盟运动的领导者，我们有权和任何国家建立关系
可可
印度有什么技术？
India and Indonesia are neighbors - the closest point being just 100 kms apart.
印度和印尼是邻国，最近距离只有100公里
India and Indonesia have good relations currently, but one must not forget Indonesia always taken side of enemy's of India
印度和印尼现在关系良好，但不要忘了，印尼总是站在印度敌人那一边
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As an Indian I think Indonesia will grow faster than India
作为一个印度人，我认为印尼的发展速度将会超过印度
You are not indian.
你肯定不是印度人
Britain killed 4 million Indians in Bengal in 1943 by imposing a famine
1943年，英国通过制造大饥荒杀死了孟加拉的400万印度人
Indonesia and India will rich together
印度和印尼将会一起走向富裕
India is competing china not Indonesia
印度正在和中国竞争，而不是和印尼
We are not competing china but collaborating
我们没有在和中国竞争，我们是在和他们合作
but India already lost to China in many aspects.
但是印度在很多领域都输给了中国
Ah yes its a fair comparison between country that have 1,4 billion people and 300 million people.
拿印度和印尼比，真的是太公正了，一个国家有14亿人口，而另一个只有3亿人口
If you wanna talk about who is faster in growing, its vietnam not Indonesia nor India
如果你真的要讨论哪个国家发展最快的话，那么我可以告诉你，这个国家不是印尼，也不是印度，而是越南
Britain took $45 Trillion from India over 200 years of rule
在200多年的殖民统治里，英国抢走了印度45万亿美元的财富
Thats a false claim and the reason India is poor today is not because of Britain
这是一个错误的说法，印度今天贫穷的原因不是英国造成的
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That claim is way too exaggerated and there is no way UK can get 45T from india even if it sells all india
你的说法也太夸张了吧，即便把整个印度都卖了，英国也无法从印度那里获得45万亿美元
User go read history
indian was one of the richest country back then
你应该好好去看看历史书
印度是当时最富裕的国家之一
@User lol kid reasearch before you speak...
哈哈，小朋友，在说话之前，请先做一下研究好吗
No Cap SMX Yeah and it didn’t industrialize so it is obviously going to be poor in comparison to industrialized western countries
是的，印度当时没有工业化，所以和西方的工业国相比，印度明显很穷
@No Cap SMX there was no country called India .
之前没有一个叫印度的国家
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@User so only industrialisation helps a country to grow? Not to forget that India used to had trades with Greeks and rest of world.. you think some Europeans came all the way to India for what? Before British it's Mughals and before Mughals it's someone else, why is India the most invaded and colonised country if it was poor?
所以你认为只有工业化才能帮助一个国家发展起来吗？别忘了，印度之前和希腊及世界各国都有贸易往来，你以为欧洲人千里迢迢来印度是为了什么？在英国人到印度之前，统治印度的是莫卧儿人，而在莫卧儿人之前，统治印度的是其他民族，如果印度真的那么穷，那么为什么印度会是被入侵被殖民次数最多的国家？
In 60s china was poor than india but today we all know what happened... So stop blaming others start working hard
在上世纪60年代，中国比印度还要穷，但是现在我们都知道发生了什么。所以不要再怪别人了，让我们开始努力工作吧
Why did your country let them take it?
那么为什么你们国家要让英国抢走你们那么多的财富呢？
British did that with the help of Indians and indian bankers
在印度人和印度银行家的帮助下，英国成功掠夺了印度的财富
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@User go an learn some history...india was the wealthiest nation in the world
好好学习历史去吧，印度是当时世界上最富裕的国家
@Ok man mate It might be possible since they colonized for 200 years and by 45 Trillion it doesn't only mean money but the resources as well. And there hasn't been any proof to debunk this claim as well.
这是有可能的，因为英国殖民印度200年时间，45万亿美元指的不仅仅只是金钱，还有英国从印度掠夺的资源。而且没有任何证据可以证明这种说法是错误的
same as Indonesia colonized by Dutch for 350 years
印尼同样也是如此，他们被荷兰殖民统治了350年的时间