网友讨论：土耳其最终能够加入欧盟吗？
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A big issue that wasn't mentioned at all in this video is Turkey's population, which is larger than any EU country, and is growing much faster than other big EU countries. If Turkey joined, they would have the most voting power of any member state, replacing Germany.
有一个很重要得点，视频中没有提到，那就是土耳其的人口要比欧盟任何国家都要多，而且他的人口增速要快于其他欧盟大国。如果土耳其加入的话，那么它将取代德国拥有最多的投票权。
Yeah and Turkey would cost the EU a lot of money as there economy is crashing
是的，如果土耳其加入了欧盟，那么欧盟就需要在土耳其身上花大笔的钱，因为土耳其的经济正在崩溃。
Voting power in the EU has nothing to do with population or economic strength.
欧盟投票权和人口或者经济实力没有任何关系。
Germany has a residential population of 83 million.
德国有8300万居住人口
Maybe. Or EU freedom of movement could result in an exodus from Turkey.
或许吧，但土耳其加入欧盟后，土耳其人民将能够在欧盟内部自由移动，这或许会导致大批土耳其人离开土耳其
I think if Turkey becomes secular and democratic in following 20 years.Turkey can join because.Europe is aging so bad.If this continues then Eu's economy will shrink, burden of old people will be on the smaller young population.
But if it happens, if turkiye changes and become much more secular and democratic.Turkiye can change Europe.And can give really good drive to eu.
我认为如果土耳其在未来20年的时间里可以成为一个世俗化的民主国家，那么土耳其就能加入欧盟，因为欧洲老龄化情况非常严重。如果这种情况继续下去，那么欧盟经济将会萎缩。老年人的负担会转嫁到年轻人口身上。
但如果土耳其能够做出改变，变得更加世俗化，更加民主，那么土耳其就可以加入欧盟改变欧洲，土耳其的加入可以给欧盟带来巨大的动力。
I think that the main problem is Turkeys geographic position, because its at the center of everything it also acts as a buffer for the west. If Turkey joined the EU, The EU would directly collide with eastern countries. So this buffer which Turkey acts as, would be no more.
我认为主要问题在于土耳其的地理位置，因为土耳其位于东西方的中间地带，可以为西方起到缓冲的作用。如果土耳其加入欧盟，那么欧盟将直接和东方国家发生碰撞。这样一来，土耳其的缓冲作用将不复存在。
The moment they join they'll have the biggest population in the EU and thus the largest amount of MPs in the EU Parliament.... France and Germany will not like.
一旦土耳其加入欧盟，那么它将成为欧盟内人口最多的国家，因此在欧盟议会中将拥有最多的议员席位，而法国和德国绝对不愿意看到这种情况发生。
Even if Turkey solves all its problems, it cannot join the European unx because of this. If Turkey is accepted to the EU, the status quo will be threatened.
即便土耳其解决了所有的问题，它也无法因此加入欧盟，如果欧盟接纳了土耳其，那么欧盟的现状就会受到威胁。
Finland and Sweden should veto it
芬兰和瑞典是不会同意的
Here is my take: Turkey could certainly get some special agreements and new treaties with the EU. It will however not join the EU due to its current state of affairs.
以下是我的看法：土耳其会和欧盟达成特殊的新的协议，但由于目前的状况，土耳其无论如何都不会加入欧盟
Turkey has a long way to go to becoming a democracy
要成为民主国家，土耳其还有很长的路要走。
The true reason Turkey is not on the EU is purely demographics: with its over 80 million citizens it would be the most influential country in the EU. If its population was 8 million instead of 80, it would have joined the EU long time ago.
土耳其没有加入欧洲的真正原因纯粹就是因为人口：土耳其有8000多万人口，如果土耳其加入了欧盟，那么它将成为欧盟内部最有影响力的国家。如果土耳其的人口是800万，而不是8000万，那么土耳其肯定老早就已经加入欧盟了。
In Corruption Index 2021 Turkey is 96th. So, No!
2021年在腐败指数排名中，土耳其位列第96，所以土耳其无法加入欧盟
But why are Albania and Montenegro welcomed and even accepted.
但为什么阿尔巴尼亚和黑山受欧盟欢迎，甚至还被欧盟接纳为成员国了呢，
@Zaydan Alfariz Neither of them are in the EU
他们两个都不是欧盟成员国。
No, Turkey will not be able to join EU.
A country must meet three criteria in order to join EU:
- EU's political requirement (Stable institutions which secure democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, human rights and protection of minorities). Turkey meets none of these.
- EU economical requirement (Must have a functioning market economy and be able to compete with other EU-members) Turkey does not meet this.
- Must adopt EU rules (Adopt various EU-rules, policies and obligations). I don't think Erdogan can do that.
不，土耳其将无法加入欧盟
一个国家如果要加入欧盟必须要符合以下三个标准：
要加入欧盟，必须要符合欧盟政治上的要求：能够确保民主，言论自由，法治，人权和保护少数族裔的稳定制度。土耳其不符合这些条件。
欧盟在经济上的要求是：必须拥有可以正常运行的市场经济，能够和欧盟其他成员国竞争。土耳其不符合这个条件。
必须采用欧盟的规则：采用欧盟各种规则，政策，并承担相应的义务。我认为埃尔多安做不到这一点。
Turkiey doesnt need to join EU
土耳其不需要加入欧盟
@Cavid Salahov probably not. But Turkey would seriously benefit from it economically. Nevertheless, Turkey needs to get its economy in order, regardless of applying for EU membership or not
或许吧，但如果加入了欧盟，土耳其肯定会从经济上获得巨大好处，但是无论是否申请加入欧盟，土耳其都需要恢复自己的经济秩序。
@Christopher Wilson well, as a (not so proud) Hungarian, I totally agree. And I'm painfully aware that Hungary wouldn't be accepted to join the EU if we tried today...
But Turkey? Personally, I have nothing against Turkish people, but Turkey is nowhere near joining the EU.
作为一个匈牙利人，我完全同意你的看法，我痛苦的意识到，如果我们是在今天试图申请加入欧盟的话，那么我们是不会被欧盟接受的。
但是土耳其？就我个人而言，我对土耳其人没有任何敌意，但是土耳其距离加入欧盟还非常的遥远。
why Ukraine can't join too
为什么乌克兰也不能加入？
Even if Turkey improved their democracy, human rights etc to the point of being eligible to join the EU, I don't think the EU would want them purely because of geography- I doubt the EU would want a land border with countries like Iraq and Syria.
即便土耳其的民主和人权达到了可以加入欧盟的程度，我也不认为欧盟会仅仅因为地理原因就接纳土耳其加入，我认为欧盟在陆地上不想和伊拉克叙利亚这样的国家接壤
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If you mean under Erdogan then the answer is a big fat NO.
如果你指的是埃尔多安领导下的土耳其，那么答案是不，欧盟不会接纳这样的土耳其的。
Exceedingly unlikely. Turkiye has drifted ever further away from accession during the Erdogan regime.
非常不可能，在埃尔多安执政期间，土耳其距离加入欧盟越来越遥远。
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Not gonna happen, Cyprus dispute and Erdogan's authoritarianism will be major blockers. Plus even if Turkey did end up fulfilling all the criteria, certain EU countries would still be "uncomfortable" with a country like Turkey joining.
这是不可能发生的事情，塞浦路斯的争端以及埃尔多安的威权主义将成为土耳其加入欧盟的主要障碍。而且即便土耳其最终满足了所有的条件，某些国家依然会难以接受土耳其这样的国家加入。
I think Finland and Sweden might have a thing or two to say about that.
我认为芬兰和瑞典对此可能会有意见。
Does not matter. Even if Sweden and Finland were favorable the rest would still obxt. Therefore Sweden and Finland have no leverage in this matter.
芬兰和瑞典的意见并不重要。即便瑞典和芬兰支持，其他国家依然还是会反对的。因此瑞典和芬兰在这个问题上没有什么影响力。
What Brexit taught us is that getting new members will influence the popular opinion in old member states. We saw how many Brits were skeptical of EU because of the increase of people from Eastern Europe to Britain. There are sentiments like that in France, Germany, Benelux, Ireland and the Nordic as well. While I disagree with those sentiments I do think we should be a little more careful about who we let join, or we risk losing more member states.
Georgia is the only reasonable candidate in my opinion. It's such small country they won't have the big impact on Western Europe, they're the most Western Europe friendly country in all of Eastern Europe.
I say Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria were mistakes. And I wouldn't let Ukraine into the EU right now. I would welcome Ukraine into Nato, I would accept them into much closer cooperation and integration with EU markets, and I fully support increased military support and aid for them. But I don't agree with Ukraine joining the EU. Because Ukraine does not meet the conditions for joining the EU, both politically and economically.
我们从英国脱欧中学到的教训是接纳新的成员国加入欧盟会对之前的成员国的民意造成影响。我们看到由于东欧人不断地涌入英国导致很多英国人对是否应该继续留在欧盟产生了怀疑。这样地情绪同样也出现在了法国，德国，比利时，荷兰，卢森堡，爱尔兰和北欧国家。虽然我对他们的不满情绪有不一样地看法，但我认为我们确实应该在接纳新成员的问题上更加谨慎小心，否则我们可能会失去更多的成员国。
在我看来，格鲁吉亚是唯一合适的候选者。格鲁吉亚体量小，不会对西欧国家造成巨大的影响，在所有的东欧国家里面，格鲁吉亚是对西欧最为友好的国家。
我认为当初让罗马尼亚，匈牙利和保加利亚加入欧盟就是一个错误。我也不同意让乌克兰加入欧盟。我欢迎乌克兰加入北约，我也接受他们和欧盟市场进行更加密切的合作和整合，我完全支持增加对乌克兰的军事援助和支持。但是我不同意乌克兰加入欧盟。因为乌克兰在政治和经济上都不满足加入欧盟的条件。
Sweden and finland are definitely a hard "no" on Turkish accession.
瑞典和芬兰将坚决反对土耳其加入欧盟
not just two, but also 25 other nations.
不仅仅是瑞典和芬兰这两个国家反对，其余25个国家也会反对。
Turkey shouldn't be allowed in the EU unless the government and population align with EU values.
不应该允许土耳其加入欧盟，除非土耳其政府和土耳其人民的价值观可以和欧盟保持一致。
That'll never happen
这永远不可能发生
Does Poland and Hungary population align with EU values ?
波兰人和匈牙利人的价值观与欧盟一致吗？
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@Sadek Sama
they dont, which is a major problem that has to be dealt with.
当然不一致，这是欧盟必须要解决的一大问题。
Even if Turkey was the perfect candidate country it would still not be allowed in.
即便土耳其完美无瑕没有任何缺点，欧盟也不会同意它加入的。
Turkey should join the EU, but it's gonna take a lot of work.
土耳其应该加入欧盟，但这需要做很多的工作。
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I wouldn't want turkey to join the eu with erdogan in power.
我不希望土耳其在埃尔多安掌权的情况下加入欧盟
Turkey will never join the EU, there are far too many obstacles. Mainly cultural and geopolitical ones, as well as economical. We don’t really want more members, especially a country like Turkey who is not only big but has also a worse economy than our poorest states.
土耳其永远都无法加入欧盟，因为障碍实在是太多了。主要是文化和地缘政治以及经济上的障碍。我们不想要再增加成员国了，尤其是像土耳其这样人口又多经济又差的国家，土耳其的经济比我们欧盟最穷的国家还要差。
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