网友讨论：未来是生活在中国好，还是生活在日本好？

Warren Sy
Follow Studied and worked in China for 8 years6y
As a foreigner living in China for almost 9 years and have 2 family members that lived in Japan for more than 10 years, I would personally say its better to live in China especially in the “Future”.
China
1. Development: Rapid development economically over the last 20 years is unprecedented and will continue to develop in the years to come.
 
作为一个外国人，我在中国生活了近九年，我还有两个家人他们在日本生活了十几年，就我个人而言我认为在中国生活要更好一些，尤其是未来选择中国会更好一些。
中国
1发展：中国过去20年经历了前所未有的快速发展，而且未来中国将会继续发展
 
2. Expenses: Depends if your living in a tier 1 city like Beijing or Shanghai most cities are very affordable, buying daily food expenses are very cheap.
3. Safety: I stayed in a tier 2 and 3 city after my college years in China (Xiamen and Longyan), walking and listening to my headphones at 2am in the night and never had anything happen.
4. Work: If you want to fully grab high paying working opportunities you must learn the local language. All in all working opportunities in China is broad and you will get better offers as you learn Chinese, and being a foreigner is a plus!
5. Transportation: While it is truly chaos when it comes to Chinese transportation, it is a very efficient one, getting to one city to another offers a lot of choices from expensive (plane) to cheap (train/bus) and its all very convenient!
 
2生活成本：这取决于你是否生活在像北京或上海这样的一线城市，中国大部分城市的生活成本还是很便宜的，日常食品的价格非常低
3安全：在中国大学毕业后，我一直住在中国的二三线城市，半夜两点我会一边听着耳机一边步行回家，从来没有发生任何事情。
4工作：如果你想抓住高薪工作机会，那么就必须学会当地的语言。总而言之，中国的工作机会是很多的，学会中文，你会得到更好的工作机会，而且作为一个外国人也是一个加分项。
5交通：虽然中国的交通确实非常的混乱，但中国的交通也非常的高效，从一座城市到另一座城市有很多不同的选择，不嫌贵的可以坐飞机，想要便宜出行的可以坐火车和巴士，中国的交通真的非常便利。
 
All in all, while we always get negative news in the media nowadays, being in China and seeing all the progress it is safe to say its a good place to live in the future!
 
总而言之，虽然我们现在会在媒体上看到有关中国的各种负面新闻，但身处中国，看到中国取得的种种进步，可以肯定地说，中国是未来生活的一个好地方。
 
Norbert Korzus
1Japan Did develop fast in the same moment in their development before. It’s easier playing catch up than to be the leader as you can’t learn from others. That is why all the developed economies grow more slowly.
2 If the country is developing very fast the prices will go up too.
3Same as in Japan + better medical service in Japan
4So the same as Japan
5Not as efficent as Japan which probably has one of the better systems in the world.
 
1日本在中国的那个发展阶段的时候发展速度也非常的快。追赶者要比领先者更加容易一些，因为领先者无法向别人学习。这就是为什么所有发达经济体发展的会更慢的原因。
2如果国家发展速度非常快的话，那么物价也会快速上涨
3日本同样也非常的安全，而且日本有更好的医疗服务
4日本同样也有很多的工作机会
5中国的交通没有日本那样的高效，日本或许拥有全世界最好的交通系统之一
 
Weiyang Xu
China produced the most new advanced technologies in the past year. They are not just catching up.
Even the prices will go up, will be noway close to Japan. As an Island country, Japan really lack of resources. When China can at least produce most their need in their own land.
Safe is safe, no comparison needed.
China has way more opportunities compare to Japan.
You are so wrong here, nowadays, transportation technologies in China are much more advanced than Japan. If you compare Tokyo and Shanghai, I’d vote Shanghai.
Overall, China still suffering environmental issues which will be the biggest downvote for living in China. Besides that, Japan will be not even close to China in the future in every aspect. Tier 1 Cities in China are already in developed countries level. However, if they are going to keep developing the entire countries in the future, there is still huge potential and tons of opportunities in China.
 
在过去一年的时间里，中国研发了数量最多的先进技术。他们不仅仅只是在追赶。
即便物价会上升，中国的物价水平也远远比不上日本。作为一个岛国，日本真的非常缺乏资源。而中国至少可以在自己的土地上生产大部分自己所需要的东西。
安全就是安全，没有必要进行对比。
中国的工作机会远远比日本多
你错了，中国的交通技术要远比日本更加先进。对比东京和上海，我会选择上海。
总的来说，中国仍然还面临着环境问题，这是在中国生活最大的一个负面因素。除环境以外，日本未来在各个方面都远远不如中国。中国一线城市已经达到了发达国家的水平。然而如果未来中国要让整个国家都获得发展，那么中国依然还有很大的潜力和很多的机会。
 
Norbert Korzus
But Build quality is still not there. For quality manufacturing all the world still chooses Taiwan over mainland. Also any data to support your claim? I know many new tech Chinese companies but very few products I would actually want to own. For now you are basically Japan in the 70s. World leaders in tech and economy slow their growth because they can't learn from others
Prices in big cities in China start going up when living in them becomes more attractive.
Here I agree. There might be more opportunities. It is easier to find a great position in China and there are better development prospects.
You are completely wrong and it shows by saying “transportation systems are so advanced”. Technology doesn’t make a good public transportation system. Organisation does. Look at Switzerland praised for one of the most efficent rail systems in the world. Their trains aren’t the newest ones but they are well organized, maintained and clean.
 
但中国的生产质量依然不高。在高端制造业领域，全世界依然会选择台湾而不是大陆。而且有数据可以支持你的说法吗？我知道中国有很多新兴高科技企业，但这些企业很少可以生产出我真正想要的产品。
目前中国基本上还处于日本上世纪70年代那个阶段。世界技术和经济的领导者之所以会发展放缓是因为他们无法向别人进行学习。
当大城市的生活变得更加有吸引力的时候，中国城市的物价水平就会开始上升。
这一点我表示同意，中国可能的确拥有更多的工作机会。在中国更加容易找到好工作，而且有更好的发展前景。
你完全错了，你说中国的交通系统非常的先进，这句话就证明你错了。一个好的公共交通系统靠的不是技术而是组织能力。看看瑞士，他们的铁路系统被誉为是全世界最高效的系统之一。他们的火车不是最新的，但他们组织有序，将火车维护的非常好，非常干净。
 
Ren
i dont think the reason the slow growth is that they can’t learn from others. Developed countries don’t grow as much becase they are already developed enough there is nothing else to develop.
 
我认为发达国家发展缓慢的原因不是他们不能向别人进行学习了。发达国家不能大幅发展的原因是因为他们已经足够发达了，已经没有发展的空间了。
 
Martin Andrews
DJI, nothing in Japan compares
China is incredibly cheap since its a developing country, its an outlier though in that it has first world infrastructure in many of its cities
Japan is slightly safer than China but both are significantly safer than the west
Not “might” there is far more opportunities in China than in Japan
Chinese maintenance of infrastructure is better than most western countries especially countries like America and Australia.
 
大疆无人机，日本没有任何一款产品可以与之相提并论。
中国的生活成本低到令人难以置信，因为中国是一个发展中国家，但中国很多城市拥有世界一流的基础设施，中国是一个异类。
日本要比中国稍微安全一点，但两个国家都要比西方安全很多。
不是可能，中国的工作机会确实要比日本多很多
中国对基础设施的维护做的要比大部分西方国家好很多，尤其是像美国和澳大利亚这样的国家。
 
Norbert Korzus
DJI what?
Sorry but you missed my point. Yeah China is cheap but for some companies not cheap enough since wages are going up. I know of many companies who went to other countries for that since it’s not AS CHEAP AS BEFORE
China is no safer than the West as a whole. US may be but not EU. EU is super safe.
Again hard to judge without data. Chinese infrastructure is new so it’s hard to judge how well its maintained. Real tests will come in the coming years.
 
什么大疆？
抱歉，但你没有听懂我的意思。是的，中国的成本是很低，但对于一些公司来说，中国的成本还不够低，因为中国的工资正在上升。我知道因为中国的成本不像过去那么便宜，所以很多公司因此都搬到了其他国家。
中国没有比整个西方更加安全。或许中国比美国更加安全，但中国并不比欧盟更加安全。欧盟超级的安全。
没有数据很难进行判断。中国的基础设施都是新的，所以很难判断它们的维护情况怎么样。真正的考验要到未来几年才会出现。
 
Martin Andrews
I used DJI as an example to counter your first point that China can’t build products of high quality which is obviously false.
My apologies, I thought you meant cost of living for civilians and wages are indeed increasing very fast.
When I said that China was safer than the West what I really meant was that China as a whole is safer than the West, of course individual European states MAY be safer again.
China invests massively into upgrading and building new infrastructure, no Western country even compares, maybe Japan or South Korea might compare but I am unsure.
 
你之前说中国不能建造高质量的产品，这种说法显然是错误的，我是以大疆为例来反驳你的这个观点。
我向你道歉，我还以为你指的是老百姓的生活成本，中国的工资确实上升的很快。
当我说中国比西方更加安全时指的是中国作为一个整体要比西方更加的安全，当然个别欧洲国家或许要比中国更加安全一些
中国大量的投资升级建造新的基础设施，在这一点上没有一个西方国家可以和中国相比，或许日本和韩国可以和中国比，但我并不确定。
 
Kazuto Tomoyasu
Transportation is way behind Japan. I’m a second generation American living in Hawaii with 28 years flying for the USAF. Been to China once in 1980(?)I’m aware of the rapid development in some areas but the rest of the country is way behind.
 
中国的交通远远落后日本。我是生活在夏威夷的第二代美国人，我为美国空军飞行了28年。曾经在上世纪80年代去过中国。我知道中国某些地区发展的很快，但其他地方依然很落后
 
Chuntao Hong
1980? That was before I was born… I still remember when I was a kid, my father bought a TV, I showed off to all my friends, as it was the first one in the whole village. And that was in late 1980s, and nobody ever expected they would own a car. Now every family has a car.
 
1980年代？我那个时候都还没有出生，我依然记得在我小时候，当我爸爸买了一台电视机时，我还向所有的朋友好好炫耀了一把，因为这是我们全村第一台电视机。那是在上世纪80年代的后期，当时没有人会想到自己将来会拥有一辆汽车。现在每家每户真的都有了一辆汽车。
 
Chen Zhigong (陳治功)
Wake up, now it’s 2019, not 1980s.
China has High Speed Railway network of 29000km, longer than all the other countries’ combined.
 
好好醒醒，现在是2019年，而不是上世纪80年代。
中国高铁网络里程达到了29000公里，比全世界其他国家加起来的都要长
 
Sean Lam
Norbert, Warren Sy is a foreigner and he has lived in China for some years. Also he mentioned he has family members live in Japan. In addition, the question is “in the future….” I think what he says has some neutrality. So he tells people that China can provide a better living in the future. He is entitled to his opinion.
Based on the current development in China, many things are going where the citizens want, despite that there are some areas lacking. The air pollution is media overblow. You want cleaner air, you can go to Qinghai or Yunnan.
Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Also, corporate employees are often worked to death that result from Karoshi, a unique Japanese phenomenon.
 
Norbert，Warren Sy（答主）是一个在中国生活过多年的外国人。而且他还说过他的家人生活在日本。题目问的是，未来生活在哪一个国家更好一些。我认为他说的比较客观。他觉得中国未来可以提供更好的生活。他有权表达自己的观点。
从中国目前的发展来看，虽然还有一些方面存在着不足，但很多事情正在朝人们希望的方向在发展。空气污染问题被媒体夸大了。如果你想要更加干净的空气，那么可以去青海或者云南。
日本是全世界自杀率最高的国家之一。而且日本员工经常会劳累而死，这是日本独有的过劳死现象。
 
Ryosuke Yokoe
He is entitled to his opinion, but the evidence that he provides doesn’t really support the argument that China will surpass Japan in standards of living.
Suicide rates in China is lower than Japan, but the difference really isn’t that drastic. And death from overwork is not a uniquely Japanese phenomenon, but more of a general East Asian one; instances of it are reported also in South Korea and China.
 
他有权表达自己的观点，但他提供的证据并不能真正的支撑自己的观点：即中国的生活水平将会超过日本。
中国的自杀率要比日本低，但并没有比日本低多少。而且过劳死并不是日本的独有现象，这是东亚社会普遍存在的一种现象，中国和韩国也都有这样的报道。
 
Steve Lee
China has surpassed Japan in the standards of living in some areas already. China is now full of entrepreneurial opportunities for young college graduates. The same cannot be said for Japan whose college graduates are often hired as temps.Most of all, Japan is a defeated nation, a vassal state of the US. Whatever she wants to do, it needs to be approved by her American Uncle first.
 
在某些地方，中国的生活水平已经超过了日本。对于年轻的大学毕业生来说，中国充满了创业的机会。而日本却不是这样，日本的大学毕业生经常会被公司招聘为临时工。最重要的是，日本是一个战败国，是美国的附属国。不管日本想要做什么，都需要先获得美国的允许才可以。
 
Musan Lu
He is right. Now China is a developing country and there are many gaps between China and Japan. But China is a country with a larger area and a larger population, and Japan's future can't match China's. Japan did not surpass the United States because it could not compare its land and population.
 
他说的对。中国目前是一个发展中国家，中国和日本之间有着很大的差距。但中国面积更大，人口更多，日本的未来无法和中国相比，日本没有超过美国，是因为日本的面积和人口比不上美国。
 
John W. Meyer
China's air and water is much more polluted than Japan's. China's food is delicious but much less safe than Japan's. And China's transit system is much more chaotic and less developed than Japan's.
 
和日本相比，中国有更加严重的空气污染和水污染。中国的食物虽然美味，但没有日本那么安全。而且中国的交通系统更加混乱，也更加不发达。