网友讨论：韩国人对韩国强制服兵役这件事情怎么看？
What Do Korean Guys Think Of Mandatory Military Service | ASIAN BOSS
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网友：在军队服两年兵役却没有任何报酬。工资水平连最低工资都达不到。韩国男人实在是太难了。士兵工资最起码也应该到最低工资才对
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网友讨论：韩国人对韩国强制服兵役这件事情怎么看？
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2 years military with no rewards. The salary is not even close to the minimum wage. Living as male in Korea is really tough. Give soldiers at least minimum wage.
在军队服两年兵役却没有任何报酬。工资水平连最低工资都达不到。韩国男人实在是太难了。士兵工资最起码也应该到最低工资才对
And some people dont respect to thoes korean man who servicing in military for the country
有些人不尊重那些为国家服役的韩国人
I agree... only in the countries of Norway and Sweden they have equal mandatory service.
我同意，只有在挪威和瑞典有同样的义务兵制度
2020 sill not improved
2020年，依然没有提升工资
two years in the army and that's a big loss for talented scientists who can contribute a lot to their field.
对于有才华的科学家来说，两年军队生涯是一个巨大的损失，如果两年时间没有浪费的话，那么他们就可以在自己研究的领域做出巨大的贡献了
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winner winner even after two years of training they will still be bad in case of war. They're still civilians. You can't expect them to do well in case of war. Historically the compulsory military service was used to basically create a human shield for more trained soldiers.
即便经过两年训练，万一发生战争，他们还是会表现糟糕，他们依然还是平民。你不能对他们在战争中有什么期望。历史上，义务兵制度只不过是为了给更多训练有素的士兵创造人体盾牌而已。
To be fair, while I don’t exactly agree with mandatory military, I think it’s necessary in South Korea’s case.
老实说，虽然我并不完全赞同义务兵制度，但我认为对于韩国来说，这是必要的
Anderson Xiong How is that different from what they are doing now? Maybe if they had a professional standing army they'd have a better chance.
这和他们现在做的有什么不同？或许如果他们能有一支专业的常备军，他们可能会有更好的机会
Jeroen Bollen if South Korea didn’t conscxt it’s citizens, I don’t think the South Korean military would be the size that it is today. I don’t think 1-200,000 volunteers can do much against a solid million or so North Koreans.
如果韩国不征召公民入伍，那么我认为韩国军队就不会有现在的规模。如果是自愿入伍的话，我认为军队规模不会超过20万，这点兵力是无法对抗朝鲜百万大军的
Two years is nothing, there are plenty of very succeseful scientists who did other things for half a decade before they even started on an academic path.
两年时间不算什么，有很多非常成功的科学家在走上科研道路之前一直长期从事其他工作。
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在看视频的时候，我也想到了这个，同意你的看法
even muhamad ali got a problem after he stop doing boxing for 2-3 years.
甚至就连拳王阿里在放弃拳击运动两三年后也会遇到问题
You said talented scientists, well not all of them are talented scientists. What’s your point? Excluding talented scientists from mandatory service?
你说的是有才华的科学家，但不是所有的都是有才华的科学家。你的观点是什么？把有才华的科学家排除在义务兵役之外？
The point is that no one unless physical incapable has to serve. It's equally amongst men of all walks of life
关键是除非身体残疾，否则所有人都必须服役。各行各业的人都应该一样。
Y’all can say things like “2 years aren’t that big of a deal” cuz y’all don’t know how competitive South Korean society is.
People literally get plastic surgery and study 16 hours a day on average during high school to get a decent job.
This might not seem a lot, but in very a competitive society of South Korea, this leads to huge gaps between people who were conscxted and people who weren’t conscxted.
你可能会说两年没有什么大不了的，那是因为你不知道韩国社会竞争有多么激烈。
韩国人为了要获得一份体面的工作，高中时期每天就要学习16个小时，还要进行整形手术
两年时间看起来不长，但在韩国这样一个竞争如此激烈的社会，这会导致服兵役的人和没有服兵役的人之间产生巨大的差距。
Exempting women from it 100% is really sexist against women.
女性不用服兵役，百分百是对女性的性别歧视。
But Korean feminists still mock these guys and they never think it's sexist
但韩国的女权主义者仍然嘲笑这些人，他们从不认为这是性别歧视
Bruh I don't know how you will take it but I won't trust my back to a female comrade in war ;_; I am not sexist or something but women are not physically and mentally equipped for war. It's just how nature works.
我不知道你会怎么想，但在战争中我是不会把自己的后背交给一个女兵的，我不是性别歧视者，但女性在生理上和心理上都不适合战争。这就是自然规律
Bro are you kidding? Women have
childbearing organs...such tough physical training can be fatal.
你在开什么 玩笑？女性有生育器官，这样的体能训练可能会是致命的
@Jooheon most of the soldiers in the army are not combat soldiers, but logistic, medical, intelligence etc.
in Israel the mandatory service is for men and women (allthough women serve 8 months less than men). the vast majority of the women aren't combat soldiers.
军队中大部分士兵不用从事战斗任务，他们可以从事后勤，医疗和情报工作
在以色列，男性和女性都必须服兵役(尽管女性比男性少服8个月)。大部分女性不用从事战斗任务。
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I agree. Saying “women aren’t mentally prepared or as strong” is just the same as saying “dumber people don’t have to do tests at school”
我同意。说女性在心理上没有准备好，或者说女性不够坚强的，等于是在说在学校，更笨一点的人不需要参加考试一样。
@Shreya Mathur And the physicall aspect can be solved with training, something that everyone there has to go through, what that guy said was extremely sexist.
身体方面的问题可以通过训练来解决，每个人都必须经历这一关，那个人所说的话表明了他就是一个极端的性别歧视者
I think from the government’s perspective it wouldn’t be a good idea to take two years of a woman’s life during her limited fertile years given that south korea’s population rate is declining.
我认为从韩国政府的角度来看，鉴于韩国生育率正在下降，而女性适合生育的年龄有限，在这种情况下，让女性将适合生育的两年时间浪费在军队中是不明智的。
It is sexist against men: Women can choose if they want to go to the military or not, men do not have this choise.
这是对男性的性别歧视，女性可以选择是否愿意服兵役，而男性却没有选择的机会。
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@lixDarkar In the US army, nearly half of the female soldiers failed the test while almost all the men passed it.
在美国军队中，几乎一半的女兵无法通过测试，而所有的男兵全部通过
@olie171 It's a fact that tough training can harm women's reproductive parts. In Israel, female soldiers literally have to sign a form so they can't sue the gouverement if they have problems in a future pregnancy due to the training and their service.
事实上，严酷的训练会伤害女性的生殖器官，在以色列，女兵必须签署表格，声明以后如果因为训练和服役导致出现生育问题不能起诉政府。
Mandatory military completely ruined careers of many professional esport players.
强制服兵役彻底毁了许多专业运动员的职业生涯。
And singers haha
还有歌手的职业生涯
I agree and that's so sad
我同意，真的很可悲
What is more important, protecting the one you love, or win at video game?
是保护自己爱的人重要，还是打赢游戏比较重要？
Wong Tik Ki XDDDDD First of all, its obvious that a voluntary soldier its going to be better in the military than a man who have to make the mandatory obligated service. You can serve and defend your country if you want in other ways and jobs
首先显然自愿参军的士兵要比被迫参军的士兵表现会更好。就算你以其他的方式和从事其他的工作，一样可以为国服务，保卫国家。
They need to do that in case a war breaks out, carreer or anything is pointless if your country is in chaos and under invasion. Country first more than anything else
为了防止战争爆发，他们需要服兵役，如果你的国家被入侵而陷入混乱，那么事业及其他任何一切都是毫无意义的东西。国家要比其他任何存在都要重要。
very interesting interview. i don't think it should be mandatory.
非常有趣的采访，我认为不应该强制让人去服兵役
The issue is, that without conscxtion S. Korea would not have the capability to have a military with the numbers required by the nation. Being a nation of 50 Million people. South Korea currently has a standing military of 495,000 with 3 million in reserve, this is with conscxtion.
问题是，如果不实行征兵制，韩国军队的数量就无法达到国家要求的规模。韩国人口5000万，常备军是49.5万，预备役是300万，这是在实行征兵制下取得的成果。
美国人口3.18亿，现役军人140万人，预备役军人110万人。美国人口要比韩国多得多，所以就算不采取征兵制，一样可以维持这样庞大的军队，参军服役的美国人只占美国人口的0.4%
如果韩国采取志愿兵制度，并且参军比例和美国一样是0.4%，那么韩国只能建立一支20万人的军队，兵力与实行征兵制相比下降了94%。从技术上来说，韩国与朝鲜依然处于战争状态，双方还没有签署和平协议。虽然现在没有发生武装冲突，但韩国现在依然还处于战争状态。就目前的世界形势而言，未来充满了不确定性，我们真的不知道以后会发生什么，我认为韩国需要一支规模庞大的强大军队为任何可能出现的情况做好准备。
Even with a larger military, north Korea still has outdated technology
虽然朝鲜军队规模更大，但他们的技术已经过时了
I typically don’t agree with mandatory service but if North Korea is on the other side Of a little fence it’s necessary.
一般来说，我不同意实行征兵制，但考虑到对面的朝鲜，我认为实行征兵制是有必要的。
@Nolan Cummings well then they should sign a peace treaty. It’s been 67 years.
他们应该签署一份和平协议，事情已经过去67年了
I agree with the guy who said you’d be cut off from society. You may loose friends, relationships, your career and be separated from your family. You’d feel really depressed and lonely.
那个被采访的人说，服役后就会与社会隔绝，对此我b表示同意。你会失去朋友，爱人，事业，还要离开自己的家人。你会觉得非常的压抑和孤独。
lol Korea isn't a small country. I live in a country of 5 milion people and that's what I call small.
韩国不是一个小国，我的国家才只有500万人口，那才是真正的小
Sniffles I live in a country of 1,3 million people and I think it's quite big oh well
我的国家有130万人，我认为它相当的大
Sniffles Swaziland has less than a Million
斯威士兰人口不到百万
Just cause there's a country that's smaller than Korea doesn't mean that Korea isn't small...
有比韩国更小的国家，并不意味着韩国就不小
Staci-Ann Lawson There's 50 million people is south Korea That isn't a small number.
韩国有5000万人，这个数字可不小
china-1.3bil
japan-130mil
russia-140mil
south korea-50mil
it's smaller than other countries.
中国有13亿，日本有1.3亿，俄罗斯有1.4亿，韩国5000万
韩国比其他任何一个国家都要小
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My country doesn't even have 1 million people take that !
我们国家连100万人口都没有
I'm Korean (South Korea)
You should be considered for population of the surrounding countries of Korea.
China on the left
Russia on the top
Japan on the right
And none of them are friendly to South Korea.
我是韩国人，你应该考虑一下韩国周边国家的人口规模，韩国左边是中国，头顶是俄罗斯，右边是日本，这些国家对韩国都不友好。
Istanbul in turkey has 18 million population
土耳其的伊斯坦布尔城市就有1800万人口
Lol as a person living in 2nd most populated country in the world South Korea sure is small.
哈哈，作为一个生活在世界人口第二大国的人来说，韩国的确很小
But they need have a strong defence, cause their neighbour is just waiting for a war.
但他们需要有一个强大的国防，因为他们的邻居正在等待发动战争
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Japan:1.3 billion china:15 billion. Smaller territory and smaller population than neighboring countries.And both Japan and China that is surrounding Korea are superpowers.
日本1.3亿人，中国15亿人，韩国的人口和领土都比不过邻国。韩国周边的日本和中国都是超级大国。
the Korean peninsula is still at war.
朝鲜半岛依然处于战争状态
I'm glad I watched this and heard what people had to say about the mandatory Korean military enlistment for Korean men.
很高兴看到这个视频，听到了人们对于韩国征兵制的看法
We had mandatory military service in Germany but got rid of it. It's much better now. You don't need it
在德国，我们之前要义务服兵役，但现在已经没有了，不需要服兵役了，这样好多了
such an interesting topic to discuss; thanks !
这是一个有趣的话题，谢谢
Interesting topic to hear about from a foreigner's perspective.
从外国人的角度看，这是一个很有趣的话题
The way they’ve all been taught since from young that “to be a man you must do military service”
他们从小就被灌输要想成为男人就必须服兵役的思想
so many young koreans are treated almost like a 'slave' in korean military. advertising that military service is the way to be a patriot, the nation only wants them to protect from north korea with less cost.
在韩国军队中，很多年轻人被奴隶一样的被对待。国家将服兵役宣传为爱国的目的就是想用更低的成本保护自己不受朝鲜的侵略。
military service is tough, but definitely not terrible. i doubt ass1 has experience in the military, nor is even a korean citizen...
服兵役是很艰苦的，但绝对没有那么可怕，我怀疑他没有服兵役的经验，甚至根本不是韩国人
Jason Shin Can you give examples of said terrible incidents? I'm really curious!
我真的很好奇，可以举几个例子吗？
@NoctLightCloud a lot of bullying, suicides, car accidents, bomb accidents etc.. one of my coworkers killed himself, one of my coworkers cut other coworkers leg.. etc..
有很多的欺凌，自杀，车祸，炸弹安全事故等，我的一个战友自杀了，还有一个战友砍了另一个战友的腿，，，
Mandatory military service is a raw deal for korean men, we need to negotiate a better one.
强制服兵役对韩国男人来说并不公平，我们需要协商出一个更好的方案来。
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