网友讨论：伊隆·马斯克解释为什么印度的新计划出奇的愚蠢
Elon Musk Explains Why India''s New Plan is Bizarrely Stupid
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Nitin Gadkari, India's transport minister, stated on October 8 at a climate action forum that he had requested Tesla not to sell China-made electric vehicles in the nation. He instead wants the now-Texas-based automaker to "produce cars in India, sell in India, and export from India."
印度交通部长尼廷·加德卡里 10月8日在一个气候行动论坛上表示，他已要求特斯拉不要在印度销售中国制造的电动车。相反，他希望这家总部位于美国德克萨斯州的汽车制造商“在印度生产汽车，在印度销售，然后从印度出口。”
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If India was smart they would GIVE Tesla free land to build the factory. That might entice them to put in an India Gigafactory. They are so heavily populated that it can only be a win.
如果印度聪明的话，他们会给特斯拉免费的土地建工厂。这可能会吸引他们在印度建立一个超级工厂。他们人口如此之多，这只会是一场胜利。
Let's Go Brandon !
我们走布兰登！（**乔拜登！）
the thing is what you said is right but you left other main part, that India want tesla to build car in India so they can get benefits, but Tesla wants people to import it's cars, other reason tesla cars is produced in China right now in Asia, we don't want to buy made in china tesla, so the tariff you are seeing right now is because of geopolitics, Tesla also wants to make much profits from India but Tesla wants to export car from china, that's why. Nitin Gadkari said that we will provide govt. support for tesla if they build factories here.
你说的是对的，但你遗漏了另一个重点，也就是印度希望特斯拉在印度造车，这样他们也能得到利润，但特斯拉希望人们进口它的车，另一个原因是特斯拉现在在亚洲的中国造车，而我们不想买中国造的特斯拉车，所以目前的关税是因为地缘政治，特斯拉也想从印度赚取利润，但特斯拉希望从中国把车出口到印度，这就是原因。尼廷加德卡里说，如果他们在印度建厂，我们会为特斯拉提供政府支持。
Telsa should build the India factory on old oil tanker ships. If the India government does not cooperate, Telsa should move the factory to a more friendly country.
特斯拉应该在旧油轮上建造这个印度工厂。如果印度政府不合作，特斯拉就应该把这个工厂搬到一个更友好的国家。
Building cars on a moving/floating carrier is a very interesting idea.
在移动/漂浮的航母上造汽车是一个非常有趣的想法。
Deliver as you build ?
Hard to get resorses on board and power is a problem at sea.
造好就交货？
在船上很难得到资源，而且在海上能源也是个问题。
@Jim Thunda we need nuclear power or obtain power from sea waves. We can design stops to replenish parts and materials. Just an imagination, haha.
@Jim Thunda 我们需要核能或者从海浪中获取能量。我们可以设计补料架来补充零件和材料。只是一种想象，哈哈。
@G Syn I
Yes you do have a vivid imagination.
I hope you don't believe in Santa Claus too.
I believe in having as little as possible, I'm free.
l'm also totally self reliant living in the Australian bush on my own with a mobile phone l was given to keep a look out on a property.
Monks are also free, they have nothing but they live in a group.
@G Syn I
是的，你确实有丰富的想象力。
我希望你不会相信圣诞老人也存在。
我相信拥有的越少，生活越好，我是自由的。
我也是完全自力更生的，一个人住在澳大利亚的丛林里，我有一个手机，别人给我的，在外出的时候可以用来查看房子。
修道士也是自由的，他们一无所有，但他们一群人生活。
No! Fuck tesla walked prevented diabetes
不！去他妈的特斯拉，走路可以防止糖尿病。
Rofl you are in our country, you will follow our rules or you can sod off.
在我们国家就要遵守我们的规定，要不就滚蛋。
2021 India is nothing and hopeless already. China superior Asian country.
Steve jobs and Elon musk is smart doing business with China. Feel pity for India .
2021年，印度什么都不是，已经失去希望了。中国是个更优越的亚洲国家。
史蒂夫·乔布斯和埃隆·马斯克与中国做生意很聪明。我同情印度。
@Eshwara Shawn
China is about to go broke, it bit off more than it could chew.
@Eshwara Shawn
中国即将OX，它贪多嚼不烂。
I don't know why I watch these videos on Tesla. I couldn't even afford the insurance
我不知道我为什么要看这些关于特斯拉的视频。我连保险都买不起。
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Most of singapore investment to india got screwed by india goverment. Besides, income per capita is low. Not a good market or trustable partner there.
新加坡对印度的大部分投资都被印度政府搞砸了。此外，印度的人均收入也很低。这不是一个好的市场或值得信赖的合作伙伴。
I don't think it's a good idea to invest in India. It's kind of an unstable country. I mean small investment is ok, but investing big is taking too much risk in my opinion.
我不认为在印度投资是个好主意。这是一个不怎么稳定的国家。我的意思是小的投资是可以的，但是在我看来，大的投资风险太大。
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Yeah, India is a "unstable country", tells much about your world view and car markets.
是的，印度是一个“不稳定的国家”，这在很大程度上反映了你对世界和汽车市场的看法。
How is India unstable?
印度怎么会不稳定?
in india people cant afford expensive cars majority go on cheap 2 wheeel bikes under 1500usd coz that wat they can afford. including myself. duh!
在印度，人们买不起昂贵的汽车，大多数人都骑着价格不到1500美元的廉价两轮车，因为他们买得起。包括我自己。额!
This Indian minister must not forget that providing 24 hours per day power to each residential power bill payer for running refrigeration unit is above providing power to charge EV battery. Indian government must provide each tax and bill paying resident 24 hours per day of power, internet and smartphone signal to minimize the need to travel by doing most of the tasks online-covid pandemic has shown how many tasks can be done online without travelling. Indian people must maximize the use of bicycles for road travelling instead of maximizing the import bills on crude oil, natural gas, coal and lithium & Dutch people or Netherlands even in 2021 uses bicycles extensively for road travel. Distances in Indian cities where most of Indian population has got concentrated, are not big like USA and one can easily ride bicycle for at least 10km per day. Indian government must not act as a sales representative of OPEC cartel, lithium mine owners, coal mine owners & auto-makers. Indian government must not use shield of EV launching to cover up its failures in reducing traffic jams, reducing wastage of fuel, and not putting control on population.
这位印度部长不应该忘记，为每个居民提供24小时的电力，保证冰箱的运行，要比为电动车的电池充电更重要。印度政府必须为每个纳税和支付账单的居民提供24小时的电力、互联网和智能手机信号，以最大限度地减少出行的需要，通过在线完成大部分工作，新冠疫情表明，有很多工作任务可以在不出行的情况下在线完成。印度人必须最大限度地在公路出行中使用自行车，而不是最大限度地增加原油、天然气、煤炭和锂的进口费用。荷兰人甚至在2021年也在公路出行中广泛使用自行车。集中了印度大部分人口的城市距离不像美国那么远，每天骑自行车至少10公里也很容易。印度政府不能充当欧佩克、锂矿所有者、煤矿所有者和汽车制造商的销售代表。印度政府不应该用推出电动车的做法，来掩盖其在减少交通拥堵、减少燃料浪费、不控制人口方面的失败。
Elon is correct, high import tariffs ignores the reality "India doesn't make everything". Tesla already has invested in parts suppliers all over the world, so there is no logical reason to build the same parts factories again so they can assemble cars in India. Economists have been warning India for years, heavy handed import tariffs can lead to a stagnant manufacturing sector.
埃隆是对的，印度高昂的进口关税忽视了“印度不能制造一切”的现实。特斯拉已经在世界各地投资了零部件供应商，所以没有理由为了在印度组装汽车，再修建同样的零部件工厂。经济学家多年来一直警告印度，高额的进口关税可能会导致制造业停滞。
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Well every nation has its own priorities, and real economist have been warning India of its trade deficits. Their are Japanese, German and India's own car manufacturers who have set up the whole supply chain and management here in India. If Tesla wants market access to one of the fastest large automobile markets, it can do the same . Indians already have EV cars options available, question is does Tesla have the same?
嗯，每个国家都有自己的优先事项，真正的经济学家一直在警告印度的贸易赤字。印度有日本、德国和印度自己的汽车制造商，他们在印度建立了整个供应链和管理。如果特斯拉想进入这个发展最快的大型汽车市场，它也可以这样做。印度人可以选择其他电动车，问题是特斯拉也有同样的选择吗?
Tesla doesn’t know if it’s cars will sell in India. Currently, how big is the market for vehicles in Tesla price class? Can the electrical grid support EVs? Probably not.
特斯拉不知道它的汽车能否在印度销售。目前，与特斯拉价格水平相同的汽车的市场规模有多大?印度的电网能支持电动车吗?可能不行。
Tesla should make a factory in India, because the infrastructure they lack will be jump started by it.
India’s young ppl are very enthusiastic to go electric. They just need that boost in the arm.
特斯拉应该在印度建厂，因为他们缺乏的基础设施将由此启动。
印度的年轻人非常热衷于开电动车。他们只需要一剂强心针。
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Are the enthusiastic youth wealthy enough to buy? How well has other foreign companies done in India. Does bleed money there for a decade before pulling out.
热情的年轻人有钱买东西吗?其他外国公司在印度的表现如何?他们已经亏损10年了，然后撤出了印度市场。
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India has a huge population, but the market size is very limited. The manufacturing workforce is also doubtful.
印度人口众多，但市场规模非常有限。制造业的劳动力也令人怀疑。
Market size is gigantic and thats why Tesla could not ignore India. MUSK is too intelligent man and a hard bargainer. He will find his match in India. India now is vibrant and many ideas are been tried out and next decade you will find a TESLA KILLER from India. MUSK knows this and of course he will surely make a better product. That way the entire World will profit.
印度的市场规模巨大，这就是特斯拉不能忽视印度的原因。马斯克是一个过于聪明的人，也是一个强硬的讨价还价者。他将在印度找到对手。印度现在是充满活力的，很多想法都经过了试验，未来十年印度将出现一家特斯拉的克星。马斯克知道这一点，当然他肯定会制造出更好的产品。这样整个世界都会受益。
尽管这似乎是个问题，但印度可以产生完整的市场经验，只有特斯拉这样的聪明公司才能生存，而且他们为印度提供的解决方案可以适用于全世界。
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印度的劳动力是世界级的。特斯拉已经雇佣了很多人，很快也会得到同样的好处。
印度不可能为一家公司降低关税，特斯拉将找到解决方案，并已经在努力。
欢迎特斯拉在印度领土上，全世界都将受益。
70 worker in Tesla is Indian
特斯拉有70个印度工人。
@ppp sss "and next decade you will find a TESLA KILLER from India" TOTAL BS! If you think that Indian companies will be anywhere NEAR Tesla in ten years then I want to know what you're smoking. The reality is that Indian companies might be able to COPY Tesla...one day.
@ppp sss “10年内印度将出现一家特斯拉的克星”完全是胡扯！如果你认为印度公司会在10年内接近特斯拉，那我想知道你究竟有几个菜。事实是，印度公司或许能够复制特斯拉……将来吧。
India don't even have the technology
Toilet seat and even don't have Indian mobile phone
印度根本没有这种技术，
也没有马桶盖，甚至连印度自己的手机都没有。
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India - is acting against themselves. They can require a plan to fully auto - make the cars in india, but right now what is gonna buildup their electrical infurstructure, the answer is electrical cars. Thus india needs to pemit him, to first- initiate building electrical cars else were, importing to india, without a tarrif. This will in a few year, pemit companies to rise up, with charging stations, and by next 1 or so years, then the factory will be fully ready to build in india, and supply for india. But they cannot do it in the order they are setting. it is gonna hurt the indian people. Thus, he needs to be able to import from other factories, for a few years. This, will massivly buildup their ev station value, and be ready for indian manufactured teslas. To have a factory built, and eve stations - Because you cannot import, will create a bottle neck for the consumer, Indian consumer, and will make progress and quality for the Indian people deteriate. Thus, india is not wrong about what it wants, but in a newly developed field, they need to give a 5 year margin- adaptaion - to buildup this new industry, before stipulating it's maunfactoring inside the country itself. thus, india and elon are not wrong. It just means they need to re-set the order of thing. #1. india gets electric cars, from imports, without tariff, for 1-3 years. This will make value for upcoming ev stations, builtup the marketing for esla vehicles, as he begins the manufacturing setup, for build in and Manufactured, only in india- Simply put - india needs to realize it is going overboard to protect somthing it does not have, thus should permit a 1-3 year period, for the market to be built up - and thus result in indian manufactoring boom, then it should proceed to further protect the newly built industry, but they need to let elon do he's magic, and actually build a market first, if india Really wants, the best outcome for it's people.
印度在自己给自己找别扭。他们可以提出一个让特斯拉完全在印度制造汽车的计划，但现在什么东西才能推动他们的电力基础设施建设，答案是电动车。因此，印度需要允许他首先开始生产电动车，然后进口到印度，不征收关税。这将让相关公司还有充电站在几年内崛起，并再过1年左右，然后印度才能为建造印度的特斯拉工厂做好充分准备，并为印度供应电动车。但印度无法按照自己设定的顺序来执行。因此，在接下来的几年里，马斯克需要从其他国家的工厂进口产品。这将大幅提升印度的电动车充电站的价值，并为印度制造的特斯拉做好准备。要想建起工厂，建起充电站——因为这东西不能进口，会给印度消费者造成瓶颈，会让印度人民的进步和质量恶化。因此，印度想要什么并没有错，但在一个新发展的领域，他们需要给一个5年的保证期限——加以适应——才能建设这个新的产业，然后才能要求它在国内制造。因此，印度和埃隆马斯克都没有错。这只是意味着他们需要重新设定这件事的顺序。第一阶段，印度要以进口的方式，获得电动车，没有关税，该阶段持续1-3年。这将为即将诞生的充电站制造价值，为特斯拉车打造市场，因为他开始了市场的建立，为在印度制造和只在印度制造打好基础——简单的说，印度需要意识到，它应该解除对于电动车市场的过度保护，因为印度并没有这种市场，所以应该允许1-3年的期限，让这个市场建立起来——进而让印度的相关制造业爆发，然后它应该继续保护这个新建立的行业，但他们需要让埃隆施展他的魔法，并首先建立一个市场，如果印度真的想要，这才是对它的人民最好的结果。
Vova Luke.
The Indian government is protecting the elite that are heavily invested in all aspects of manufacturing in India.
And a lot of the elite are politicians, they would cut their own throat, if Indian vehicle manufacturers can't keep up with technology or change for the benefit of the planet then that's India's problem.
That country is too overpopulated for its own good, that's why they immigrate, to make room for more deformed and idiot people that worship cows instead of eating them.
印度政府正在保护在印度制造业各方面大量投资的精英。
很多精英都是政客，如果印度汽车制造商不能跟上技术的发展，或者不能为了地球的利益而改变，那就是印度的问题。
那个国家的人口太多了，这是他们对外移民的原因，为更多崇拜牛而不是吃牛的畸形和愚蠢的人腾出空间。
@Jim Thunda Hey JIM THUNDA.. As much as I try to see logic in your comments, I see that you are a disgruntled person and make sweeping remarks on others. Worshipping Cows is a way of saving the world by many ways. And Indians know from many centuries. You seem you belong to USA and see how your "Eating Cows" resulted in Freak Weathers due to green house gases etc., Polar Vortex, Hurricanes and Twisters and many Freak Hot Weather patterns started damaging already and they increase further in future and you are doomed. Even if you are from EUROPE, you are doomed and see how Floods caused Havoc. So much so for your ignorance and cow eating habits. Your ancestors were in such a wretched conditions who could not survive without eating cows. Indians evolved very much and known the benefits of protecting cows.
@Jim Thunda 嘿，尽管我试图在你的评论中看到逻辑，但我发觉你是一个心怀不满的人，喜欢对人进行过于笼统的评判。崇拜牛是一种可以从很多方面拯救世界的做法。印度人从几个世纪前就知道了。你似乎是美国人，看看你的“吃牛”是如何导致由于温室气体等造成的反常天气的，极地涡旋、飓风和龙卷风和许多反常的炎热天气模式已经开始造成破坏，它们在未来进一步增加，你们注定完蛋了，看看洪水造成了多大的浩劫。即使你来自欧洲，你们也注定完蛋了，要看洪水造成了多大的浩劫。你的无知和吃牛的习惯适可而止吧。而你的祖先生活在十分恶劣的条件下，不吃牛是无法生存的。印度人则进化了很多，知道保护牛的好处。
至于特斯拉，尽管它是一家伟大的公司，产品也很好，但它应该融入印度。印度要求在本国生产特斯拉汽车，才能获得关税优惠。即使特斯拉无法做到这一点，印度汽车制造商也在加油，并生产许多适应印度的车型。更重要的是，为了改造，印度制造商也在开发许多电动车的转换套件，这可能会引发新的范式转变，让印度制造商抓住在其他国家没有抓住的机会。我们为什么要买新车?我们将把现有的汽车改造成电动车，从而获得优势。这样的模式就是特斯拉的克星……缓慢而坚定……因此，特斯拉也希望在印度采用他们的模式，以免这个新模式在全世界变得过于明显。
Good Luck to you
继续观察吧，现在你用卑鄙的方式诋毁牛，将来你会为自己的愚蠢而感到诧异并被逗笑。
祝你好运
@vova luke the problem with your analysis is that it would take 5 years for India to get EV transition. But Indians already have EVs made within their own country alongside a huge investment of supply chain systems set up by Indian manufacturers. Giving Tesla free market access is like shooting your own foot.
@vova luke 你分析的问题是，印度需要5年才能实现电动车转型。但印度人已经在自己的国家制造了电动车，同时还投资了印度制造商建立的巨大供应链系统。让特斯拉自由进入市场无异于自掘坟墓。
India does not have a bargaining power to dictate what Tesla should and should not do. India's demand is politically stupid.
印度没有讨价还价的能力来决定特斯拉应该做什么，不应该做什么。印度的要求在政治上是愚蠢的。
Okay, so one of the fastest and potentially biggest future car market has no bargaining power. Yeah, it's politically stupid idea of ensuring EV car manufacturing within its borders is paying dividends already as Tesla or not Indians already have EV options and they are getting more affordable to its consumers whilst creating jobs.
好吧，所以印度作为发展最快、潜力最大的未来汽车市场之一，在你看来竟然没有议价能力。是啊，印度保护其境内的电动车制造——他们已经产生效益——在政治上是愚蠢的想法，然而不管有没有特斯拉，印度人已经有了其他的电动车可以选择，消费者越来越买得起，同时创造了就业机会。
@ApoorV DesaI india is growing market? Lol, Indonesia is more suitable for tesla than india
@ApoorV DesaI 印度是日益增长的市场？哈哈，印尼比印度更适合特斯拉。
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@Manish Gurung okay then, statistics are stupid for you, and let Tesla ignore India and lose a potential market. It is not as if India is losing anything due to this decision.
@Manish Gurung 好吧，那你觉得统计数据是傻的吗？那就让特斯拉无视印度，失去一个潜力十足的市场吧。印度又不会因为这个决定掉一块肉。