欧洲人知道美国人口是3.32亿，比整个西欧人口1.97亿还多吗?
Do Europeans know that the U.S. population is 332 million which is more than the whole Western European population which is 197 million?
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大多数欧洲人都知道美国有3亿到3.5亿人口，是的。他们可能会猜测接近3亿人，因为他们中的许多人在学校时就记得这个数字。
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Do Europeans know that the U.S. population is 332 million which is more than the whole Western European population which is 197 million?
欧洲人知道美国人口是3.32亿，比整个西欧人口1.97亿还多吗?
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Most Europeans would know that the US has some 300 to 350 million people, yes. They would probably guess closer to 300 million, because that’s what many of them would remember from school.
Hardly any Europeans would have even the vaguest idea how many people there are in “Western Europe”, since that is no longer a useful category. They would, however, know that the EU has a population of 450 million, and this is a useful category to have in your head, since it forms a trading bloc.
You should, of course, be aware that “know” doesn’t mean people think about it daily, or even yearly.
Mats Andersson, 造访过24个欧洲国家
大多数欧洲人都知道美国有3亿到3.5亿人口，是的。他们可能会猜测接近3亿人，因为他们中的许多人在学校时就记得这个数字。
几乎没有欧洲人会有哪怕是最模糊的概念——“西欧”有多少人，因为这已不再是一个有用的类别。然而，他们会知道欧盟有4.5亿人口，这是你头脑中一个有用的类别，因为它形成了一个贸易集团。
当然，你应该意识到“知道”并不是说人们每天甚至每年都要顾及它。
Good answer. As I Finn, must ask what would you put on the gategory of “western European countries” if you would use one?
I would not have an estimate how many “Western Europeans” there are because I do not have even an idea what today would be counted as “western European countries”. I do not know where I would use that category.
The number in the question makes me ponder what the person who ask the question thinks is Western Europe? France, UK and Germany together already have more population together than 197 million?
The USA population estimate was clear numbers already in my head.
As a Norther European I have not even pondered how many northern European are, even I do think that I could came up quite good estimate how many there are. Neither very useful category.
On the other hand I do know that EU has population about 450million and it is easy, and sometime useful group when comparing stuff or finding statics etc.
I also know that Europe has population of about 720 million.
不错的答复。作为芬兰人，我必须要问的是，如果你分类，你会把哪些国家列入“西欧国家”的类别?
我不会估计有多少“西欧国家”，因为我甚至不知道今天哪些国家被称为“西欧国家”。我不知道我会在哪里使用这个类别。问题中的数字让我思考，问这个问题的人认为什么是西欧?法国、英国和德国的人口加起来已经超过1.97亿。
美国的人口估计在我脑海中已经很清楚了。
作为一个北欧人，我甚至没有想过有多少北欧人，即使是我也认为我可以很好地估计出有多少北欧人，但不是很有用的类别。
另一方面，我知道欧盟有大约4.5亿人口，这很容易，有时在比较东西或寻找静态数据时是有用的群体。
我还知道欧洲大约有7.2亿人口。
Until the 90’s, “Western Europe” meant west of the Iron Curtain: a crescent-shaped line from top of the Baltic, bi-secting Germany to the base of the Adtiatic.
So Finland, Greece, Portugal and Iceland were are all “Western Europe.”
直到90年代，“西欧”指的是铁幕的西边:一条从波罗的海顶部起的新月形线，把德国和亚得里亚基地分隔开来。
所以芬兰、希腊、葡萄牙和冰岛都是“西欧”。
So how does one divide Southern from Northern from Western vs Eastern vs Central Europe anyway?
那么如何区分南欧、北欧、西欧、东欧和中欧呢?
During the cold war, what I gather, Finland was not considered to be part neither the eastern block or western block, but more or less neutral.
I bet that the answer depended much on who you were asking and who was asking ;) At least “Finnish officials” always seem to have sworn neutrality towards USSR. You know Finno-Soviet Treaty of 1948 - Wikipedia ?
They do seem to have counted Finland as “western” in some cases.
“Although some countries were officially neutral, they were classified according to the nature of their political and economic systems. This division largely defines the popular perception and understanding of Western Europe and its borders with Eastern Europe.”
I was a kid back then. I have never considered Finland to be western European. Do not either remember that it would have been thought to school in that way. Heh, all Finns even today, do not even consider themselves as “European.”
在冷战期间，据我所知，芬兰既不被认为是东部阵营的一部分，也不被认为是西部阵营的一部分，而是或多或少中立。
冷战时期“三个世界”的划分
我敢打赌，答案很大程度上取决于你问的是谁，以及问的是谁。至少“芬兰官员”似乎总是发誓对苏联中立。你知道吗：《1948年芬苏条约》——维基百科
在某些情况下，他们似乎确实认为芬兰是“西方国家”。
“虽然一些国家在官方上是中立的，但它们是根据政治和经济制度的性质划分的。这种划分在很大程度上定义了大众对西欧及其与东欧接壤地区的看法和理解。”
那时我还是个孩子。我从不认为芬兰是西欧国家。也不曾记得，在学校有人会这么想。嗨，即使是今天，所有的芬兰人都不认为自己是“欧洲人”。
Right. There was nato, the EEC, Western Bloc in terms of military, economic and diplomatic alignments. With Swz, Swd and Fin typically neutral or nonaligned and Aut, Irl in this one but not that one.
But I think the Western vs Eastern trope was about perceived hegemonic threat: how things would break if things went to hell again. “Western Europe” was “not Eastern Europe.” That is, center/left democratic (+ spain) vs socialist-authoritarian.
正确。有北约，欧洲经济共同体，西方集团在军事，经济和外交方面的联盟。瑞士, 瑞典和芬兰通常是中立或不结盟的。
但我认为，西方vs东方的比喻是关于霸权威胁的:如果事情再次陷入地狱，事情将如何破裂。“西欧”是“不是东欧”。也就是说，中间/左翼的民主(+西班牙)vs社会主义-威权主义。
Finland, Sweden and Austria were considered Western European. Military blocks were another matter. Relations with the US are not very relevant compared to say freedom of travel.
芬兰、瑞典和奥地利被认为是西欧国家。军事集团则是另一回事。与旅行自由相比，与美国的关系不是很重要。
Germany 83mFrance 65mUK 67mItaly 61mSpain 47mNetherlands 17mBelgium 11mPortugal 10mDenmark 6mIreland 5mLuxembourg, Iceland, etc 1mTotal 373m
More than the USA.
德国8300万，法国6500万，英国6700万，意大利6100万，西班牙4700万，荷兰1700万，比利时1100万，葡萄牙1000万，丹麦600万，爱尔兰500万，卢森堡，冰岛等各自100万，总共3.73亿人。
已经比美国多了。
Look I don’t even understand the purpose of this question or why it’s important that the us population is larger than a segment of Europe… but the numbers you listed add up to 326 million and the US population is 328.1 million. So yay. see we’re celebrating
听着，尽管我不明白这个问题的目的，也不明白为什么美国人口比一部分欧洲人口多这么重要……
但你列出的数字加起来是3.26亿，美国人口是3.281亿。所以……/笑。
Interesting that you counted Denmark in. Then why not Norway? Not to say that your grouping has anything wrong. Interesting just to see how different people group these.
有趣的是既然你把丹麦也算进去了。那么为什么没有挪威呢?并不是说你的分组有什么问题。只是看到不同的人的分类法，觉得很有趣。
Agree - doesn’t make much sense.
同意，这种分法没什么意义。
I was unsure what “ Western Europe “ was, so I googled it, since it’s something that we europeans are completely uninterested in; it appears to be a category on “ Worldometer” .
According to this , there is Northern, Southern, Eastern and Western. Bizarrely, France is Western, U.K. is Northern, but the channel islands ( which are geographically French) are northern.
I assume Worldometer is US centric.
我不确定“西欧”是什么，所以我谷歌了一下，因为我们欧洲人对这个完全不感兴趣;它似乎是“世界计量表”上的一个类别。
根据这个，有北方，南方，东方和西方。奇怪的是，法国是西方，英国是北方，但海峡群岛(地理上属于法国)是北方。
我认为世界计量表是以美国为中心的。
This, apparently, is as close as the EU gets to a classification, as published by EuroVoc: (N, W, S, C&E)
While this breakdown is used by the United Nations Statistics Division: (N, E, S, W)
Apparently the EU thinks Britain and Ireland are in Western Europe, and the UN thinks they’re in Northern Europe…
很显然，这是接近欧盟的一种划分法，由EuroVoc出版发行——东南西北欧。
而联合国统一使用该分类法：
显然，欧盟认为英国和爱尔兰在西欧，而联合国认为他们在北欧……
Your comment about remembering population figures from school makes me think of Canada’s Centennial in 1967. There was a popular song about it and one line was “and we are 20 million”. So I was very surprised to hear the other day that Canada’s population has grown to 37.6 million as of 2019. I guess I have to get that song out of my head if I want to be accurate about the size of Canada!
你关于记住学校教授的人口数据的评论让我想起了1967年加拿大的百年纪念。有一首关于它的流行歌曲，其中一句是“我们有2000万”。
所以，当我前几天听到加拿大人口到2019年已经增长到3760万时，我非常惊讶。我想我必须把这首歌从我的脑海中抹去，如果我想准确地知道加拿大的大小的话!
That’s the wrong answer, Mats. The answer the questioner was looking for is “Wow, I didn’t know that. I must bow down before the United States, which is obviously superior in every way”.
你回答错了，答主。提问者想要的答案是“哇，我不知道这个。我必须向美国俯首称臣，美国在各方面都明显优于西欧。”
I thought the EU had a little over 500M now. Though admittedly I’m far from an expert on this, or the exact delineations
我原以为欧盟现在有5亿多一点。尽管我承认我不是这方面的专家，也不知晓确切的描述。
It was a little over 500 million pre-Brexit, then about 65 million people left.
在英国脱欧前，这一数字略高于5亿，之后大约有6500万人离开了。
Or care, because seriously? Reminds me of those maps we had to study in school with a picture of a sheep here and wheat there and corn over there. There’s information (both of those), and then there’s useful information (neither of those).
谁在乎，这很重要？
这让我想起了以前在学校学的那些地图，上面画着一只羊，那儿是小麦，那儿是玉米。
How about asking that same question in reverse, to US Americans? Keep the guesses coming….
不如反过来问美国人同样的问题?让猜测继续....
I have to admit. I wouldn’t have had a clue that EU population was around 450 million. But then, the 332 million figure for the US surprised me. My ignorance is, apparently, unconstrained by geography.
我必须承认。我根本不知道欧盟人口大约有4.5亿。此外美国3.32亿的数字让我很吃惊。我的无知显然不受地理因素的限制。
We also know, without particuarly caring, that China has about four times the population of America.
尽管没多少人关心，我们也知道中国的人口大约是美国的四倍。
It’s so embarrassing to be an American when I read silly, chest-thumping questions like this. Quora is awash with them, and I would guess most are from teenage boys.
作为一个美国人，当我读到像这样愚蠢的、自以为自豪的问题时，我感到很尴尬。
Quora上到处都是这样的人，我猜大部分都是十几岁的男孩。
Frankly who cares the population of the whole world is out of control! China some 1.4 billion and india getting close to that figure . 330 million yanks that’s have little or no idea about the rest of the planet in an case.
坦率地说，谁在乎全世界的人口失去控制! 中国约有14亿，印度正在接近这个数字。
而三亿三千万扬基佬对地球上的其他地方几乎一无所知。
The bigger question is whether many Europeans have an understanding of how large the US is. From my limited personal experience they do not. They think the US is about the same size as Europe.
更大的问题是，许多欧洲人是否了解美国的规模有多大。从我有限的个人经验来看，他们没有。他们认为美国的规模与欧洲差不多。
From my own experience I can say that we do learn the numbers - how many miles, or kilometers, from one end of the US to the other - but it took me a train ride from Philadelphia to Seattle to actually get a feeling for the country’s size.
根据我自己的经验，我可以说，我们确实知道数字——从美国的一端到另一端有多少英里，或公里——但我坐了一趟火车，从费城到西雅图，才真正体会到这个国家的大小。
Yes, I think most of Europeans have an good estimate how many people live in the USA. Hard to avoid that data.
But western European population size? Who uses those numbers today and for what?
I would not have an estimate how many “Western Europeans” there are because I do not have even an idea what today would be even counted as “western European countries”.
What countries did you use in your count. You number seems to be really low; UK, Germany and France alone would be about 216 million?
Apparently the question maker where referring roughly to UN geoscheme numbers, of the countries that are classified as Western Europe. Did not even know that that kind of category exists in the UN.
Also do not know in what situation comparing USA and UN geoscheme definiton of Western Europe would be used?
I would have thought that they would have also counted in at least UK, Spain and Portugal.
Timo Vidgrén 住在芬兰 (1979-至今)
是的，我认为大多数欧洲人对美国有多少人口有一个很好的估计。很难避免这些数据。
但是西欧的人口规模?现在谁在用这些数字，是为了什么?
我不会估计“西欧国家”有多少人口，因为我甚至不知道今天有多少国家被称为“西欧国家”。
你在计算中使用了哪些国家?你的数字似乎很低;仅英国、德国和法国就有约2.16亿人。
显然，提问者大致指的是联合国地理方案的分类，这些国家被归类为西欧。我甚至不知道联合国里也存在这样的类别。也不知道在什么情况下比较美国和联合国对西欧的地理规划定义会被使用?
我本以为，至少英国、西班牙和葡萄牙也应该算在内。
UN geoscheme classification
The United Nations geoscheme is a system devised by the United Nations Statistics Division (UNSD) which divides the countries of the world into regional and subregional groups, based on the M49 coding classification. The partition is for statistical convenience and does not imply any assumption regarding political or other affiliation of countries or territories.[12]”
As a Finn and Norther European I have not even pondered how many northern European are, even I do think that I could came up quite good estimate how many there are. Not very useful category, at least when it comes to “total population.”
On the other hand I do know that EU has population about 450million and it is easy, and sometime useful group when comparing stuff or finding statics etc. EU is an unx, and unlike the UN geopshere definiton, it does imply assumption regarding political and other affiliation of countries or territories that are in the unx.EU has larger population than USA.
I also know that Europe has population of about 720 million. Europe has more than 2 x more population than USA.
I normally compare USA with EU, Europe or with different European countries per capita. Depends on the subject. Never had made comparison with “western Europe” and USA and cannot think of an situation where that would be handy.
当代分类——联合国地理划分
联合国地球计划是联合国统计司(统计司)根据M49编码分类将世界各国划分为区域和分区域组的一套体系。划分是为了便于统计，并不意味着任何关于国家或领土的政治或其他附属的假设。
在联合国地球计划中，下列国家被划分为西欧: 奥地利、比利时、法国、德国、列支敦士登、卢森堡、摩纳哥、荷兰、瑞士。总人口：1.97亿
当有人谈论“西欧”时，它让我想到了这个:
作为一个芬兰人和北欧人，我甚至没有想过有多少北欧人，即使是我也认为我可以很好地估计出有多少北欧人。这不是一个非常有用的类别，至少当它涉及到“总人口”时。
我通常将美国与欧盟、欧洲或不同欧洲国家间的人均收入进行比较，这取决于主题。但从来没有拿“西欧”和美国做过比较。
Two can play at dick size comparisons.
1, Do Americans realise that Europe's coastline is more than three times longer than the US coastline?
2, Do Americans realise that Europe's population is 741 million peoples well over twice that of the US?
3, Do Americans realise that Every European country has doors and windows older than the US?
4, Do Americans realise that England has a population density of 407 people per sq km, the US is 33.8?
5, Do Americans realise that European Russia is bigger than Texas, Alaska, California, Montana, New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada combined?
6, Do Americans realise that Europe is 3, 91 millions sq miles, USA is 3.8 millions sq miles?
7, Do Americans realise that the USA has a murder rate 3 times that of Europe?
8, Do Americans realise that life expectancy in Europe is over 2 years longer than the US?
9, Do Americans realise that Europe has over 50,000 miles of train tracks more than the USA?
10, Do Americans realise that Germany has a population greater than California, Texas and Florida combined?
Now if you are clever enough you could do a list where the US beats Europe on certain geographical and political statistics. If you do be sure to include the whole of Europe and not just the EU as this is a trading bloc within Europe.
Normally, I couldn’t care less but you got me on a bad day.
James James, 不关心政治的政治偏见者
欧美还可以进行这样的比较：
美国人意识到欧洲的海岸线比美国的长三倍多吗? 美国人意识到欧洲的人口是7.41亿，是美国的两倍多吗? 美国人是否意识到每个欧洲国家的门窗都比美国古老? 美国人是否意识到，英国的人口密度是每平方公里407人，而美国是每平方公里33.8人? 美国人意识到欧洲的俄罗斯比德克萨斯、阿拉斯加、加利福尼亚、蒙大拿、新墨西哥、亚利桑那和内华达加起来还要大吗? 美国人知道欧洲有391万平方英里，美国有380万平方英里吗? 美国人意识到美国的谋杀率是欧洲的3倍了吗? 美国人意识到欧洲人的预期寿命比美国人长2年多吗? 美国人意识到欧洲比美国有超过50000英里的火车轨道吗? 美国人意识到德国的人口比加利福尼亚、德克萨斯和佛罗里达的总和还要多吗?
如果你够聪明，你可以列出美国在某些地理和政治统计上打败欧洲的地方，但如果你要这样做，请确保要包括整个欧洲，而不仅仅是欧盟，因为这是欧洲内部的一个贸易集团。
通常我不在乎，但今天你让我心情不好。
I’m sure that the average European gives it about as much thought as the average American gives to the thought that Oregon has a smaller population than Yorkshire or that Baltimore is slightly smaller than Glasgow.
In neither case, is the reaction likely to be “OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!”.
Europe in any case stretches from the Urals to Portugal and from Iceland to the Caucasus so that 197 million, while precise, is a bit….arbitrary? Especially since it’s not clear how you are defining “Western Europe”. The UK, Spain, Italy, France and Germany are all in “Western Europe” by most definitions and they have a combined population that is more than 197 million, never mind all the other, smaller countries.
我敢肯定，普通欧洲人对“俄勒冈州人口比约克郡少，巴尔的摩人口比格拉斯哥少”的看法，和普通美国人差不多。
在这两种情况下，人们的反应都不会是“哦，我的上帝!”
总之，欧洲从乌拉尔延伸到葡萄牙，从冰岛延伸到高加索，所以1.97亿，虽然精确，但是否有点武断 ?特别是现在还不清楚你是如何定义“西欧”的。按照大多数定义，英国、西班牙、意大利、法国和德国都在“西欧”，他们的人口加起来超过1.97亿，更不用说其他小国了。
Do Americans know that the population of Europe is 746.4 million? Anyone can say “The population of area X is larger than the population of a small corner of area Y”. Did you know that the population of Western Europe is larger than the population of Long Island?
美国人知道欧洲的人口是7.464亿吗?
任何人都可以说“X区域的人口比Y区域一小部分人口要大”。你知道西欧的人口比长岛（美国纽约州东南部岛屿）的人口还多吗?
Do Europeans know that a significant subset of the US population is both Nationalist and anti-intellectual/post-fact? Facts/truths are unfortunately meaningless to them. Sigh. At least you only have to listen to them.
欧洲人知道美国人口中有相当一部分人既是民族主义者又是反知识分子/后事实主义者吗?不幸的是，事实/真理对他们来说毫无意义。
哎，至少你只需要听他们说。
And I don’t have to *work* with the buggers….
我并非必须要跟这群傻逼共事。
They are hardest to ignore when they threaten to put a bullet in your brain. It used to be just a function of a difference of opinion, they now believe they have the right to kill you.
当他们威胁要一枪崩了你的脑袋时，你很难忽视他们。
过去这只是意见不同的结果，现在他们认为他们有权杀了你。
Do the ones at work actually threaten you…?
与他们共事也能威胁到他们吗？
Indirectly. One says he wants to round up every Democrat and personally shoot them in the head. Since the boss used to laugh with him about it, I don't talk about my political views.
间接地。
一个人说他想把所有民主党人都抓起来，然后亲自开枪爆他们的头。
自从老板经常借此嘲笑他后，我就不再谈我的政治观点了。
Right. So he doesn’t personally threaten you, but there’s a real risk he might if he knew you were a Dem. Lovely. People get a bit excited about the independence debate, here, but they don’t normally threaten to kill each other.
所以他没有亲自威胁你，但如果他知道你是民主党人他可能会威胁你。有趣。
这里的人们对独立辩论有点兴奋，但他们通常不会威胁要自相残杀。