存在主义讨论：人生是没有意义的-网帖翻译-龙腾网

1、What’s the point of a tree growing or the sun shining? It just is.

一棵树的生长或是太阳的闪耀有什么意义呢？它只是如其然。
（回复1）Beautiful! Enjoying the 'Isness' of now
太美！享受这种当下的“自在”

2、There's no "purpose" per se. We're just part of a cycle, but there's beauty in how it works, IMO.

本质上是不存在任何“目的”的。我们只是轮回的一部分，但在我看来，它的运作方式自有其大美。
（回复1）Also, outside of a psychedelic expirience, I know there is no “purpose”, but I can still follow my passion. You can enjoy things even if there is no ultimate goal. Maybe a bit more Camus, but you can even enjoy them more KNOWING that, in the end, it doesn’t matter. Memento mori.
而且，除去迷幻体验外，我知道并不存在任何“目的”，但我仍然可以追随我的热情而去。哪怕不存在终极目标，你也可以享受世间繁华。我这么说可能更有些加缪的味道了，但你在明知到头来一切都无关紧要的情况下，享受它们的时候甚至会更加淋漓尽致。死亡是避无可避的。

3、You are not a being outside of time, so what matters to them is irrelevant.

你的存在并不能跳脱时间，所以人自觉重要的东西，是无关痛痒的。
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Life is innately without purpose or meaning. Existentialist thought, in essence acknowledges this, but then goes a step further to note that as subjective, perceiving entities, we create meaning and purpose for ourselves by our thoughts and actions, and that our various subjective meanings and purposes are valid to ourselves.

人生这种东西，天生就是不含目的、不被赋予意义的。存在主义者的思想，在本质上是承认这一点的，但随后又更进一步提出：我们作为主观且有感知能力的实体，是通过我们的思想和行动为我们自己创造意义和目的，而且还提出：我们各式各样的主观意义和主观目的对我们自己来说是正当而有效的。

To some extent, we have no choice in the matter, because our brains function by drawing connections and creating narratives. In other ways, we are able to exercise our will and decide what has purpose in our lives.

从某种程度上看，在这个问题上我们并没有任何选择，因为我们的大脑是靠构建联系和创造叙事来发挥作用的。我们有能力行使我们的意志，也有能力决定我们的人生目标。
（回复1）I understand what you're saying, where I trip up is not creating meaning in my own little life. If this happens, is it an exploration problem? Like you just haven't found something that grabs you yet?
我明白你在说什么，不过我要挑一个错误，并不是在我们自己渺小的人生中创造意义。如果出现了这种情况，这是不是就成了一个可以探索的问题？换句话说，你只是尚未达到心有所归的状态？
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I guess I feel like my work needs to progress something to not be useless. I cannot force myself to feel meaning through activity x

我猜，这样的话我就会感觉为了不至于没用，我的工作还需要进行点什么。我是没办法通过进行点什么活动来迫使自己感受到意义的。
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4、It’s quite liberating when you realise there is no point and you make your own meaning in life, find your own purpose. But at the same time it can be scary to realise you have total responsibility for your own life and there is no grand plan.

当你悟到并不存在意义，于是你就在人生中自己创造意义，找到属于自己的目的，这样还是挺让人解脱的。但与此同时，领悟到你要对你自己的人生负全责，而且上苍完全没有为你安排任何宏大的计划，也是挺吓人的。

5、It’s meaning less not pointless

人生是没有意义的，但并非不得要领。

6、Technically there is no point in life at this moment we haven’t reached this point in the human intelligence to figure this out but the only thing we could do to add some sense in our lives is do something that could help lets say society or people in general. Try to do something that can help others

准确地说，在这一刻人生是没有意义的，我们尚未达到有能力拆解这个问题的心智高度，但我们能为我们的人生加入一些意涵的唯一方式就是，去做一些能帮到比如说社会或大众的事情。试着去做一些能帮到他人的事情。

7、You feel your current body's best interpretation of what your brain imagines death to be. That's a shitty feeling.

你能感觉到，你大脑所想象到的死亡，被你当下的皮囊最好地诠释出来了。而这是一种极为糟糕的感觉。

Like anything, you'll understand it better when you get there. Live in the moment, and you'll never have to think about or even experience death. Do good work with your time so you'll feel good leaving.

等你走到了那个境地，你就会更明白了。活在当下，那你就永远都不会被迫思索甚至体验死亡。好生利用你的时间吧，这样你在离世的时候就会感觉良好。
（回复1）Thinking about what death looks and feels like could drive a man insane if he dwells too much.
想一想死亡的样子，感觉这会把一个在这个问题上钻牛角尖的人逼疯。
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8、The point of life is simply to live you're right it essentially has no point

生命的意义无非就是去生活而已，你是对的，本质上是没有任何意义的。
（回复1）It has no meaning. Death is the ultimate point. Making differences for future generations is a point. But it’s not the meaning.
它是没有任何意义的。死亡是终极的要旨。为后世人撬动现实是一种要旨，但这不是活着的意义。

9、Thanks goodness life is pointless.
Arguments have points. Characters in stories have points. Tools have points.
We are free from having a point. We are free to not be a means to anything.

幸亏人生没有意义。
论证有其要点。故事中的人物有其要旨。工具也有其指向的目的。
我们可以摆脱“凡事需要有意义”这种定势。我们是自由的，不必去成为达到任何目的的一种途径。

10、I mean yes but funnily enough, at the moment I'm pretty unhappy with my life and it's in moments like this where I find life seems less pointless because I want to change things and that gives me a "point" , granted 2 years ago it would have probably made me feel pretty suicidal. Life doesn't exist for any reason in particular, especially human life but more a consequence. But why not just experience it and see where it goes.

我想说确实如此，但说来有趣，在我很不满意我的人生时，又会出现一些这样的瞬间，让我发现人生似乎没多大意义，因为我想改变现状，而这就给了我一种“意义感”，而在两年前，这些思考可能会让我很想去自杀。生命的存在是没有任何具体原因的，特别是人类的生命，不如说是前因结出的后果。但为什么不去体验呢，且看它何去何从。

11、Victor Frankl suggested we pose a different question: “Ultimately, man should not ask what the meaning of his life is, but rather must recognize that it is he who is asked. In a word, each man is questioned by life; and he can only answer to life by answering for his own life; to life he can only respond by being responsible.” Maybe this perspective can help.

维克多·弗兰克尔曾建议我们提出一个不同的问题：“最终，人类不应该问他人生的意义是什么，而是必须意识到，被追问的是他自己。简而言之，每个人都要接受人生的追问；而他只能通过对自己的人生负责来回答人生的追问。”也许这种视角会有所帮助。
（译注：维克多·弗兰克尔，犹太人，担任维也纳神经综合医学院的首席专家长达25年，他创立了”意义疗法“及”存在主义分析“，被称之为继费洛伊德的心理分析、阿德勒的个体心理学之后的维也纳第三心理治疗学派；是《活出生命的意义》的作者）

12、Dont think about it. Do drugs and have lots of sex just please dont think about its pointless

不要去想它。嗑嗑药，多做爱，只是不要去想它，人生没有意义的。
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13、Yes there's no point in life but i completely disagree with the reasoning u gave to arrive at this conclusion.

是的，人生是没有意义的，但我完全不同意你们得出这个结论所给出的论证。
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14、Life is pointless, so its up to you to find the point.

人生是无意义的，所以需要由你去发现意义。

15、As I've come to understand it, Nihilism is just the word used for the realization that the universe at large is indifferent. That there is no meaning beyond that which we make. That outside the context of minds, beauty becomes pointless, as does pain, as does love. Any of it. It only matters if you exist as a mind capable of saying it does. Capable of experience, of thought.

根据我的理解，虚无主义这个词只是用来表示：悟到整个宇宙都是漠然无亲的。悟到在我们自己创造的意义以外，别无任何意义。悟到出离了我们的心智环境，美丽就失去了意义，痛苦和爱亦然。唯一重要的是，你是否是以心灵的方式存在，有能力说出它有意义。有能力去体验和思考。

To the universe at large, meaning is absent. To us, to minds having thoughts, it is everything.

对于整个宇宙来说，意义是缺席的。对我们来说，对有思想的心灵来说，意义则是一切。

To live is to suffer. To lose people, to know hunger, disease, heartache. Despite all the good in life, the bad outweighs and persists. Most alive unfortunately struggle to live. But there are aspects of life, for many of them, that make it worthwhile. We find meaning in the aspects of life that are so good as to seemingly overshadow the bad, and for as long as that is the case, we continue to live, and find purpose. At least, for those of them not suffering through the worst life has to offer.

活着便要受苦。便会失去别人，便会明白饥饿、疾病、心痛。虽然人生中有各种美好的事物，那些丑恶的还是会盖过它们，并且会一直存续下去。不幸的是，大部分活着的人都在挣扎求生。但人生中的有些方面，会让大部分人的人生值得一度。我们会在人生中那些非常美好、好到似乎能遮掩丑恶面的部分中找到意义，而只要情况仍是如此，我们就能继续生活，并找到活着的目标。至少，对于那些没有遭受过最糟糕生活的人，就是如此。

A life worth living is a life wherein the mind in question enjoys more in life than they dread. If life is dread, and there is no escape, death is the better option. If life is great, and dread is kept at bay, death becomes the worse option. It all comes down to the individual minds and the sums of their experiences and thoughts.

而值得一度的人生就是：惶惑的心灵在人生中得到的享受多过其所畏惧的东西。如果人生让你畏惧，却又无法逃离，那死亡就成了更好的选项。如果人生很是美好，恐惧无从入侵，死亡就变成了更差的选项。全都可以归结到个体的心灵以及他们体验和想法的总和上。

The struggle to find meaning in an inherently indifferent and meaningless universe is a worthwhile one. Appreciation, respect, love, beauty, these are all ways meaning exist. But only within the context of minds. We cannot fall into the trap of asserting that the universe cares, or is keeping tabs, or in any way serves as the root of things like morality or any purpose we generate.

在一个生就漠然且无意义的宇宙中找寻意义的努力，是很值得付出的。欣赏、尊重、爱、美，这些全都是意义存在的方式。但它们只存在于心智环境中。我们不能掉进这样的陷阱，断言说什么宇宙是在乎的，或宇宙在密切关注，或是以任何方式把它当成各种事物（比如说道德）的根源或任何我们生造出来的目的。

It's hard for people to get it, but all nihilism is acknowledging the subjectivity of meaning, and highlighting the human pursuit of meaning in contrast to the indifferent universe at large.

让人们明白这点是很难的，但所有的虚无主义都承认意义的主观性，并强调人类对意义的追求，这和整个宇宙的漠然形成对照。

People take this and run with it as if the lack of an obxtive grounds for purpose or meaning makes nil the pursuit of subjective meaning. Those people look at the word "nihilism" and have a gut reaction misinterpretation.

人们接受这一点并且背负着它运转，仿佛目的或意义缺少客观依据，就会把追求主观意义变得毫无价值。那些人看到“虚无主义”这个词就会本能地误解它。

Nihilism is knowing there's no obxtive meaning, yet living on to make your own meaning anyway. Acknowledging the pointlessness, but making a point nonetheless, making many.

虚无主义的意思是：明知不存在客观意义，但会活下去，以便能依靠自己创造意义。承认这种无意义，但仍然能在此基础上创造出意义，如此便大有意义了。

16、I think humans are like children in the grand scheme of existence. There are things that we just can't possibly understand or know, but we love to make big sweeping declarations like "The meaning of life is X" or "Life is pointless"

我觉得在存在的宏大计划中，人类就像是孩童。有些东西，完全是我们不可能理解或认识的，但我们很喜欢说一些寓意深刻的大话，比如“人生的意义就是XX”或“人生是没有意义的”

17、No, life is the point.

不，生命本身就是意义。

18、Why do you need a point?
Make your own point.
Live to spite the irrationality of life.
Choose.

为什么你们需要意义感？
自己去找到意义。
哪怕人生荒诞，也要去生活。
作出你的选择。