中国汽车出口量爆发式增长

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TheresNoHurry
What the hell happened to the USA? (Serious question)

美国到底TM发生了什么？（认真发问）

CactusCoyote
Also US manufacturers dont make cars anymore, they exclusively make suvs and trucks now. They don't make cars that are sized for non-american roads. they are literally too big so we can't export them to countries that can't feasibly sustain their size.

美国制造商现在甚至根本不造普通轿车了，只生产 SUV 和皮卡车。他们不制造适合非美国道路尺寸的汽车。这些车实在太大，导致我们无法出口到那些难以容纳其体型的国家。

RullendeNumser
Yeah many subs and trucks don't fit on the old roads we have here in the EU and if they do, parking spaces can be too small.

是的，许多大型货车和皮卡车确实无法适应欧盟地区的老旧道路，即便勉强通行，停车位也常常显得过于局促。

Lolindirlix
They always obnoxiously stick out. Our country is also extremely flat. And there''s pavement everywhere it needs to be. They really have no place here. But every city has one of these dudes lol

这些车辆总是碍眼地矗立在路面上。我们国家地势极为平坦，必要之处都铺设了完善的人行道。它们在这里确实没有立足之地，但每个城市偏偏都有那么几个这样的家伙，真是让人哭笑不得。

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cheddarbiscuitcat
Trust me, they obnoxiously stick out in their parking spots in America too.

相信我，在美国的停车场里，它们也碍眼地霸占着车位。

Sauerkrauttme
I parked next to a wanktank one day and the owner was waiting for me when I got back and he screamed in my face that it was my fault he was so fat that he can't get into his pickup if anyone parks next to him. And my boomer dad doesn't understand why I hate living here

有一天我把车停在一辆"自嗨坦克"旁边，回来时车主正等着我，他冲我脸吼叫，说都怪我害挤不进自己的皮卡，这皮卡胖到只要旁边有车就挤不进。而我那婴儿潮一代(译者注：X世代之前的一代人口)的老爸却不懂我为什么讨厌住在这里。

Big-Carpenter7921
They do that in US parking lots too. The sizes have grown so fast that parking lots that have been there for more than 20 years have spaces too small for these new land yachts

美国停车场也这样。车辆尺寸增长太快，导致20多年前建的停车位对这些新型"陆地游艇"来说太小了。

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nerdofthunder
They really have no place anywhere.

它们真的在任何地方都没有立足之地。

Fullertons
Clarkson and his Raptor in Europe was a great episode.

克拉克森和他的猛禽在欧洲的那一集真是太棒了。

kingtacticool
You mean the pickup thats so wide it legally has to have commercial truck cab lights on top? I bet that was fun. I know what in watching later

你是说那辆宽到依法必须在车顶安装商用卡车驾驶室警示灯的皮卡吗？我敢肯定那一定很有趣。我知道待会儿要看什么了。

rube203
I'm sure it's worse in the EU but honestly they don't fit in the roads and parking spaces here either.

我敢说在欧盟情况更糟，但老实说，它们在这里的道路和停车位上也同样不合适。

deano492
There’s no way that suddenly became the case in 2017 tho. Must be something else driving the stark shift.

不过这种情况不可能在2017年突然出现。肯定有其他因素导致了这种显著的变化。

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talllankywhiteboy
A quick search says that was the result of the US trade war with China started in Trump’s first term. So between trade pressures and increases/improvements in Chinese auto manufacturing, I’m assuming most of that dip we see in US exports to China decreasing.

快查了一下资料，这是特朗普首个任期内启动的美中贸易战的结果。因此，在贸易压力和中国汽车制造业增长/提升的双重作用下，我认为我们看到美国对华出口下降的大部分原因正在于此。

Redtex
American cars basically suck unless you're a teenager or badly formed adult that likes a car designed to look fast but is not really, loud af and still think that 20 mpg is ideal? And don't forget, the base models all start at 35k

美国车基本上很糟糕，除非你是青少年或心智不成熟的成年人，喜欢那种设计得看起来很快但实际上并不快、噪音震天、还认为每加仑跑20英里很理想的车？别忘了，基础款起价都要3.5万美元。

SeawardFriend
This is not exclusive to the EU lol. Trucks BARELY fit into the spots here and 90% of them are over the lines in some way shape or form

这可不是欧盟独有的现象。皮卡车在这里几乎停不进车位，90%的皮卡车都以某种方式越线停放。

itijara
As an American who never wants to drive anything other than a sedan, it is extremely frustrating. Obviously I can (and do) drive imports, but the distortion of the market here means that you often pay a premium for what is obxtively a cheaper car to produce.

作为一个只愿意开轿车的美国人，这真是令人极度沮丧。显然我可以（也确实）开进口车，但这里市场的扭曲意味着，你常常要为生产成本更低的汽车支付溢价。

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eggyrulz
I prefer subcompacts, or box trucks... minivans are fine though since they utilize their space well... but trucks and big suvs? Ehfogetaboutit. Ill drive the box truck at work any day to avoid using one of our f150s or explorers...

我更喜欢微型车或厢式货车……小型货车也不错，因为它们能有效利用空间……但皮卡和大型 SUV？还是算了吧。我宁愿每天开工作用的厢式货车，也不愿开我们公司的 F150 或探险者。

itijara
SUVs are just inefficient. They aren't good if you want something easy to park and maneuver, and they have less trunk and passenger space than an equivalent minivan. People who drive trucks but never use the flatbed are a joke. I have no idea how manufacturers convinced people to buy a product that was worse in nearly every way to other products that already existed. I guess they look better and some of them have better traction or can tow things, but the number of times that is useful to the average person is minimal.

SUV 就是效率低下。如果你想要容易停车和操控的车型，它们并不合适，而且后备箱和乘客空间还不如同级别的小型货车。那些开皮卡却从不使用货斗的人简直是个笑话。我不明白制造商是怎么说服人们购买这种几乎在所有方面都不如现有产品的车型。可能它们看起来更酷，有些牵引力更强或能拖拽重物，但对普通人来说这些功能能用上的机会微乎其微。

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Interrobang92
Not only that, but most American trucks don’t comply with safety standards here in Europe. Edit: and most likely emissions standards also.

不仅如此，大多数美国皮卡车都不符合欧洲的安全标准。编辑补充：很可能也不符合排放标准。

Massive-Exercise4474
Aka Ram and it's due to chicken tax and epa loop hole.

也就是 Ram 品牌，这要归咎于鸡肉税和环保局的法规漏洞。

Cloud_N0ne
The size of modern pickup trucks is infuriating even on American roads. Their headlights are at eye level for most other cars, which is extremely dangerous with how bright modern LED headlights are at night. I once had to pull over onto the shoulder because a pickup in the oncoming lane had their high beams on and I literally couldn’t see the car in front of me, so it wasn’t safe to keep going until the pickup had passed

现代皮卡的尺寸即使在美国道路上也很令人恼火。它们的车灯高度与大多数其他汽车的视线齐平，加上现代 LED 车灯在夜间极其刺眼，这非常危险。有一次我不得不把车停到路肩，因为对面车道的皮卡开着远光灯，我根本看不清前面的车，直到那辆皮卡开过去才敢继续行驶。

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[dexed]
I once rented a jeep Cherokee in Poland for work. Not the grand Cherokee, the mid sized one. Driving was tough, but parking was the real nightmare.

我曾经在波兰因工作租过一辆吉普切诺基。不是大切诺基，是中型的那款。开起来费劲，停车更是噩梦。

Slot_it_home
Their cars are massive and shit. Can’t fit on most countries roads, it’s literally suicide to their industry as they can’t be sold anywhere else lol

他们的车又大又烂。大多数国家的道路都容不下，这简直是自毁产业，因为根本卖不到其他地方去，哈哈

TunakTun633
Has this materially changed since 2015, though?

不过，自2015年以来这种情况有实质性改变吗？

aripp
Oil & Gas industry hindering the developement

石油和天然气行业阻碍了发展

_Apatosaurus_
It''s also the automotive industry hindering their own development.

也是汽车行业自己阻碍了自己的发展。

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Uncross-sextor
Nobody wants the product

根本没人想要这产品

Lonely-Power1801
The simple truth is american cars have nothing to offer european or asian customers. Too big, too thirsty, outdated in every way. Americans for some reason want their cars made out like monster trucks, so this is what they produce. The rest of the world: thanks, but no thanks.

简单的事实是，美国汽车对欧洲或亚洲消费者毫无吸引力。它们体型过大、油耗惊人，各方面都已过时。不知为何，美国人总想把汽车造成巨型卡车模样，所以这就是他们的产品。世界其他地区对此表示：谢谢，但敬谢不敏。

No-Shoe5382
I am yet to drive a good American car. Japan and Germany produce legitimately good cars, US cars in my experience are pretty unreliable and not great to drive (cornering/handling in particular is usually really bad in American cars). If anything its a surprise that their export numbers were ever comparable to Germany and Japan.

我至今尚未开过一款优秀的美国车。日本和德国制造的汽车确实品质上乘，而根据我的经验，美国车不仅可靠性欠佳，驾驶体验也难言出色（尤其是转弯和操控性通常非常糟糕）。如果说有什么令人惊讶的，那就是美国汽车的出口数据竟曾与德国和日本相提并论。

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Old_Promise2077
IdK, bmw and Mercedes are fine if you buy new. But they essentially self destruct at around 100k miles

不知道，宝马和奔驰买新车还行。但基本上开到10万英里左右就自己报废了

Rlccm
BMW used to be fucking terrible until maybe 2017. I can't believe they didn't go the way of Saab

宝马在2017年之前简直烂得要命。真不敢相信他们没走上萨博的老路

nanneryeeter
I can't believe Saab went the way of Saab. I had a 97 and really enjoyed that car. I ended up giving it away to someone who needed a vehicle. Really wish I had kept it. Would probably still be using it.

真不敢相信萨博竟然落得如此下场。我开过一辆97年的，那车真的很棒。最后把它送给了一个需要车的人。现在真后悔没留着，说不定现在还在开呢。

MiniDemonic
Saab went the way of Saab partly because GM bought them.

萨博之所以走到这一步，部分原因是被通用汽车收购了

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krichard-21
Whenever I look at buying my next vehicle. I glance at domestics and keep right on moving. Typically more expensive and typically fewer features. I'm slowly creeping up to seventy years old... I clearly remember when imports were fairly rare. When anyone driving an import was considered a bit off... Most of the cars I owned until 2000 were American made. I exclusively purchased imports for the past twenty five years. We live in South Minneapolis. The majority of the sedans we see are imports. A good percentage of the trucks are American made. Somewhat related. Our daughter rented a sedan for a business trip. American made. In her words, never again. Having said that. She went on a longer trip with a coworker. He rented a maxed out Cadillac SUV. Every feature and comfort. Which she loved. But would she buy one? Nope...

每当我考虑购置新车时，总会瞥一眼国产车型然后径直离开——它们通常价格更高却配置更少。年近七旬的我清楚记得进口车还属稀罕物的年代，当时开进口车甚至会被视为异类。千禧年前，我的车几乎全是美国车，而过去二十五年则只购买进口车。我们住在明尼阿波利斯南部，这里街道上大部分轿车都是进口品牌，皮卡车则多为美国制造。有件相关趣事：女儿曾因商务出差租用美国轿车，她直言“绝不再租”。但后来与同事长途旅行时，对方租了顶配凯迪拉克 SUV，齐全的配置与舒适性让她赞不绝口。不过若问是否会购买？答案依然是否定的。

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No-Shoe5382
As a European, I will say this for American cars, when I've driven them on American roads they've been mostly really great cars. I just don't think i could drive them anywhere other than America. As you mentioned with your daughter in the Cadillac on a longer trip, I think American cars are largely designed for your big wide open roads and highways with very few sharp corners or narrow roads to negotiate. Comfort on fairly long and fairly straight journeys seems to be where American cars really thrive, which makes complete sense given the road network you guys have. However in most of the rest of the world where the roads are either a little older, tighter, or less well maintained, you wouldn't want an American car. You'd want a German or Japanese car, because they kind of cover all bases, any road or any terrain you're probably ok in one of them.

作为欧洲人，我必须为美国汽车说句话：在美国道路上驾驶它们时，多数表现确实出色。但我认为它们只适合在美国使用。正如你提到女儿长途驾驶凯迪拉克的经历，美国汽车似乎专为宽阔笔直的公路设计——那里少有急弯或窄路。在漫长而平直的路程中，美国汽车的舒适性优势尽显，这与美国的道路网络特点完全契合。然而在世界其他大多数地区，道路往往更狭窄、老旧或维护欠佳，这时德国或日本汽车才是更明智的选择，因为它们能适应各种路况与地形。

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Steve-Whitney
It's interesting to note these 2 countries that design & produce legitimately good cars were the 2 primary belligerent powers in WW2.

有趣的是，这两个设计并生产出真正优质汽车的国家，正是二战中的两个主要交战国。

No-Shoe5382
Interestingly Italy (the third Axis power) make some absolutely stunning cars as well. Not reliable or efficient but incredibly good fun to drive. I might actually put them as the top 3 car producing countries in the world.

有意思的是，意大利（轴心国第三大成员）也制造出一些极其惊艳的汽车。虽然可靠性或燃油经济性不佳，但驾驶乐趣无与伦比。我甚至可能将它们列为世界前三的汽车生产国。

level100mobboss
You pivot from what you know. They already had the infrastructure to create vehicles and engines on a massive war scale. The next move would be to just make civilian vehicles instead of tanks. It’s the same reason America also pivoted to make cars as well.

人们会基于已有基础进行转型。这些国家本就拥有大规模生产军用车辆和发动机的工业基础，下一步自然转向民用车辆而非坦克制造。这也是美国同样转向汽车产业的原因。

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HolySchmoley
Quality, reliability and price.

质量、可靠性和价格。

keso_de_bola917
Most vehicles in the United States are really more fit for Unites States and Canada use only... They're usually big pick-up trucks and SUVs nowadays with huge petrol engines. That goes from common civilian vehicles to commercial vehicles where the vehicles they manufacture are fit for their roads and conditions and not anywhere else. Meanwhile, cars and commercial vehicles from Europe, Japan, China, South Korea, etc will thrive in any country AND within the United States. It also doesn't help that the reliability of America's big 3 are commonly... Shit.

美国的大多数车辆其实更适合仅在美国和加拿大使用……如今它们通常是配备大排量汽油发动机的大型皮卡和 SUV。从普通民用车辆到商用车辆，他们制造的车辆都只适合当地的道路和条件，而不适合其他地方。与此同时，来自欧洲、日本、中国、韩国等的汽车和商用车在任何国家以及美国境内都能蓬勃发展。而且，美国三大汽车制造商的可靠性通常……糟糕透顶。

Nihls_the_Tobi
US CARS FUCKIN SUCK! Source: I''m an American Driver

美国车真他妈烂！来源：我是一名美国司机

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No-Grapefruit-5464
Even some US cars are made in China. Ford has a bunch of their vehicles made there and "final" assembly is in the U.S. the problem with the U.S. is that the rich decided to get richer by abandoning the U.S. while still thriving off of her. They became viruses for civilization. And now they're saying, "don't look at me or else"... after they literally molested every corner of our system. There is no Made in U.S. by scratch cars anymore. Only lies about them.

甚至有些美国车是在中国制造的。福特有很多车型在那里生产，然后在美国进行"最终"组装。美国的问题在于，富人决定通过抛弃美国来变得更富有，同时仍然依赖美国繁荣。他们成了文明的病毒。现在他们却说，"别看我，否则……"——在他们几乎糟蹋了我们体系的每一个角落之后。现在已经没有完全从头在美国制造的汽车了。只有关于它们的谎言。

Simmerdownsimm
Honestly I’m no expert but I’d say tariffs and a general distaste for all things USA these days. But that’s what the majority of them wanted so…

老实说，我不是专家，但我会说是因为关税以及如今人们对所有美国事物的普遍反感。但这就是他们大多数人想要的，所以……

_b33p_
The us starts dipping around 2016.

美国从2016年左右开始走下坡路。
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You know, I’m starting to wonder maybe the guy who bankrupted multiple casinos isn’t the saviour of the US.

说起来，我有点怀疑，那个搞垮了好几家赌场的人，恐怕不是美国的救世主。

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empireck
What about the guy that is best friend with international sexual predator?

那跟世界级性侵犯人是铁哥们的那位又怎么说？

MrZwink
Nah, i think it's the guy that started a trade war with the world in 2016. Hell save the US.

不，我觉得是2016年跟全世界打贸易战的那位。他才是美国的救星。

slayqueen1782
They voted him twice. The second one by a landslide winning all swing states. Lol

他们可是两次选了他。第二次还是以横扫所有摇摆州的压倒性优势。哈哈

imissher4ever
Downtrend started way before the tariffs.

关税实施前，下行趋势早已显现。

Flash24rus
Russian roads are full of Chinese cars since 2022.

自2022年起，俄罗斯道路上已遍布中国汽车。

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tankerkiller125real
Well when your sactioned to all hell for an illegal invasion, and the only trading partners left is China and North Korea that will happen.

当你因非法入侵受到全面制裁，仅剩中国和朝鲜作为贸易伙伴时，这种情况自然会发生。

JRaus88
“The only trading partner”. I laugh knowing how much fucking Russian material lands in Italian ports..

“唯一的贸易伙伴”？想到有多少俄罗斯物资运抵意大利港口，我就觉得可笑。

Flash24rus
Many think China is their partner and friend.

许多人以为中国是他们的伙伴和朋友。

Danoontje00
China dominates the global electric vehicle (EV) supply chain, controlling the majority of battery material processing and production, which provides an unbeatable cost advantage. That with years of subsidies and massive investment. And overproduction.

中国主导着全球电动汽车供应链，掌控着大部分电池材料加工与生产环节，这赋予了其无可匹敌的成本优势。这种优势得益于多年的补贴政策、巨额投资以及产能过剩的现状。

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MechaMulder
At this point is there anything that China doesn’t dominate in?

现在还有什么是中国不占主导地位的吗？

Masse1353
Gun violence, homelessness, and soccer

枪支暴力、无家可归和足球

starderpderp
As a Chinese, I'm just gonna pretend soccer doesn't exist. It's too painful.

作为一个中国人，我打算假装足球不存在。太痛苦了。

Pyanx
No no, soccer exists, we just don’t have a national (men’s) team

不不，足球是存在的，我们只是没有男子国家队

antonovvk
Soccer doesn't exist in Russia too, bro

兄弟，俄罗斯也没有足球

AtLeastIHaveJob
What?!?!? Have you ever see the documentary “Shaolin Soccer”?

什么？！？！？你看过纪录片《少林足球》吗？

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Embarrassed-Pick-534
Number of Adults who believe in Angels is still solidly dominated by the US.

相信天使存在的成年人(译者注:基督教信众)数量仍由美国稳固主导。

doofpooferthethird
The US had an enormous advantage over China when it came to: attracting and retaining global talent and manpower (even after all the xenophobia and trench tier social services), maintaining a stable political system of checks and balances that ensured some measure of accountability and transparency (even after oligarchic capture and weaponised ignorance), being the most trusted and reliable guarantor of a rules based international order (even after all the hypocrisy and naked venality and flip flopping). Emphasis on "had". The US government currently seems determined to throw all of the nation's biggest strengths down the shitter. Not that China doesn't also have its own problems, but it's still going to leave the US in the dust if the US throws away everything that made it powerful in the first place.

美国曾在对华竞争中拥有巨大优势：吸引并留住全球人才与人力（即便存在排外情绪和低水平社会服务）、维持确保一定问责与透明度的稳定制衡政治体系（即便存在寡头操控和武器化无知现象）、作为基于规则的国际秩序中最受信赖的可靠保障者（即便充满虚伪、赤裸贪欲和反复无常）。重点在于"曾拥有"。当前美国政府似乎决意将国家所有最大优势弃如敝履。中国虽自有其问题，但若美国抛弃所有使其强大的根基，终将被中国远远甩在身后。

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fabioke
China broke the leaderboard

中国霸榜了

ty_xy
You guys in north America and europe don't realize because you're freezing China out of the market so hard, but in the rest of the world China made cars have absolutely exploded in number and volume.

你们北美和欧洲的人没意识到，因为你们把中国挡在市场外太狠了，但在世界其他地方，中国制造的汽车在数量和销量上绝对爆炸式增长。

Lolindirlix
Not just cars, All Electric vehicles. The Netherlands has always had that "Bicycle first" reputation. Pretty sure it's getting close to 50% Chinese Ebikes (fatbikes) now. Went really, really fast. But what'd you expect at 1/4th the price... Exactly the same with cars, Except tighter regulation. And probably a ton of pushback from local behemoth manufacturers lol. I don't think that'll last, People will find a way. Especially if it's that much cheaper because there's just no other feasible option.

不只是汽车，所有电动车都是。荷兰一直有"自行车优先"的名声。现在中国电动自行车（胖胎车）快占到50%了吧，发展速度真的非常非常快。但价格只有四分之一，你还能期待什么呢……汽车情况完全一样，只是监管更严格。当地巨头制造商可能会强烈抵制，但我觉得这不会持久，人们总会找到办法。尤其是当价格便宜这么多，又没有其他可行选择的时候。

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Fullertons
I think a lot of western companies in their “established industry” were caught treating cars like a mature product. Whereas China is treating them like a new product and developing them like a new product would be developed; where is with cost a main factor and bloat has yet to arrive. I feel like much of the western car manufacturers are only looking for ways to increase revenue via unnecessary gadgets, whereas some of these Chinese cars are basic transportation units, not luxury ego personifications.

我觉得很多西方公司把汽车当作成熟产品来对待，而中国则把它们当作新产品来开发，以成本为主要考量，还没有出现功能臃肿的情况。感觉许多西方汽车制造商只想着通过不必要的配件增加收入，而一些中国汽车就是基本的交通工具，不是奢侈的自我象征。

WhisperFray
Yep, absolutely. Would’ve been unthinkable in 2018 to see so many BYD cars in Jakarta like this.

没错，完全正确。2018年的时候，在雅加达看到这么多比亚迪汽车简直是不可想象的。

PumpProphet
They build impressive trains as well. I legitimately thought it was propaganda until I tried Woosh myself.

他们造的高铁也很厉害。我原本以为是宣传，直到自己试了 Woosh 才信服。

Ringkeeper
I have a Chinese EV (as German) because it's half the price of any similar European one. Oh and the delivery time of 3 weeks was unmatched by months. On European cars you still can choose any detail and that's why they can not be pre-produced. China has all-inside and "extra shit also", 2 battery sizes and 5 colours. 20 possible variant. They just produce them, they will be sold...

（作为德国人）我选择中国电动车，是因为它的价格仅为同类欧洲车型的一半。而且三周的交付时间更是需要数月的欧洲车无法企及的。欧洲车仍可定制各种配置，这也导致它们无法预先生产。中国车则提供全包配置和“额外附加项”，两种电池容量和五种颜色，共20种可选组合。它们只管生产，自然会有销路……

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Parry_9000
My next car will be Chinese. In Brazil, car companies fuck the average customer so much it's funny. For y'all in Europe/US, I want you to think about the shittiest new car you can get from a dealership. A really basic one. How much does it cost? How many months of work does it take to get that car? Well. In Brazil, it costs 53 months of minimum wage to buy the worst car we sell, in it's most basic configuration. All cars follow this. And our cars are significantly worse than yours, it's like our market has your stuff from 2010. A Corolla costs about 133 months of minimum wage. They sell cars with the 2 minimum airbags necessary by law, manual system for rolling up the windows. New cars, in big 2025, with manual window systems, the one you spin. For 53 minimum wages. plastic everywhere, the shitty one. Fuck this, fuck all these companies. Byd is dominating here, geely is entering the market. I feel nothing but resent for car makers.

我的下一辆车会是中国的。在巴西，汽车厂对普通客户的压榨简直可笑。对于欧洲/美国的各位，我想让你们想想从经销商那里能买到的最烂的新车。一辆非常基础的车型。它要多少钱？需要工作多少个月才能买到那辆车？好吧。在巴西，买我们这里卖的最差的车，最基础的配置，需要53个月的最低工资。所有车都遵循这个规律。而且我们的车比你们的差得多，就像我们的市场还停留在你们2010年的水平。一辆卡罗拉大约需要133个月的最低工资。他们卖的车只有法律要求的最少两个安全气囊，手动摇窗系统。2025年的新车，居然还是手动摇窗系统，就是那种需要手摇的。价格却是53个月的最低工资。到处都是塑料，劣质的那种。去他的，去他的所有这些公司。比亚迪在这里占据主导地位，吉利正在进入市场。我对本土汽车制造商只有怨恨。