伊朗和特朗普，谁才是真正的停火赢家？

@toddlawrence6872
I don't see how anyone can see this as anything but an embarrassing loss for us.
 
我不明白怎么有人会觉得这不是我们尴尬的失败。
 
@fts2663
Iran is a civilizational country. The only evil nations i see in this world are America and Israel which have committed misery and immense suffering to the people of the world.
 
伊朗是一个文明的国家。我在这个世界上看到的唯一邪恶的国家是美国和以色列，它们给世界人民带来了痛苦和巨大的苦难。
 
@Michelle-os9ul
Conditonal ceasefire. Iran will maintain control of Hormus under Iran army. US/Israel started anillegal unprovoked war and Iran defended its sovereignty. It now sets the condition as is normal and US/zionist Israel have to bear and comply.
 
有条件的停火。伊朗将在伊朗军队的控制下保持对霍尔木兹海峡的控制。美国/以色列发动了非法的、没有挑衅的战争，而伊朗捍卫了自己的主权。现在它设定了条件，这是正常的，美国/犹太复国主义的以色列必须接受并遵守。
 
@tommyferguson4614
Well agreeing to Iran's deal seems kinda like Iran won.
 
同意伊朗的协议看起来有点像伊朗赢了。
 
@pauls3451
If even 2 things in their list is accepted, they are in a better position than before this mess.
 
如果他们清单上的两项要求得到接受，那么他们的处境比这场混乱之前要好得多。
 
@PKJohn-mv8pv
A 75 year old civilization has been successful in brokering a truce between a 250 year old and 5325 year old civilizations.
 
一个有75年历史的文明成功调解了一个250年历史文明和一个5325年历史文明之间的停战。
 
@knightsnight5929
The straits are only closed for the aggressor nations, America created this problem, you need to sort it out, Europe is done with bailing out the US from their dumb forever wars.
 
海峡只对侵略国关闭，美国造成了这个问题，你们自己解决吧，欧洲不再为美国的愚蠢“永久战争”买单了。
 
@andyroxwuzhere
we would need too wait til EOD or the next quarter and see how oil/gas prices are too get a more accurate answer
 
我们需要等到交易日结束或下一个季度，看油气价格如何变化，才能得到更准确的答案。
 
@MyThoughts19902X
2 million dollar per ship passing through the strait of Hormuz? So the other countries have to pay for the mess that Trump created? That is not something that US can unilaterally agree on.
 
每艘船通过霍尔木兹海峡要付200万美元？那其他国家得为特朗普制造的烂摊子买单？这不是美国可以单方面决定的。
 
@redhelmetmann
Sounds like this was a giant waste of fucking time and money shocker right
 
听起来这完全是浪费他妈的时间和金钱，真让人震惊，对吧。
 
@Curaissier
Never has one sides military been so dominant in a war and never has that side been let down by a government so incompetent.
 
战争中从未有一方军力如此强大，却从未有一个政府如此无能而辜负了他们。
 
@ASflyhigh26
These people keep thinking Iran is done. America and Israel playing checkers and Iran playing Chess
 
这些人一直以为伊朗完蛋了。美国和以色列在玩跳棋，而伊朗在下国际象棋。
 
@goonergirl-pv4vj
We were the only nation to have ever used nuclear bombs, and now the only nation to have threatened GENOCIDE / wiping out an entire civilization....but at least Truman was sane,thoughtful of consequences and had good council.....that is the difference!
 
我们是唯一一个使用过核弹的国家，现在又是唯一一个威胁要种族灭绝/消灭整个文明的国家……但至少杜鲁门理智、考虑后果、有良好的顾问……这就是区别！
 
@jonglejuice
The only thing this war has proven to the Iranians is that they NEED a nuclear weapon and I bet you anything they will be sprinting toward getting one no matter what now.
 
这场战争唯一向伊朗人证明的就是，他们需要核武器，我敢打赌，无论如何，他们现在都会拼命去获取核武器。
 
@optimusmaximus9646
Iran will become a nuclear power regardless of what America wants. How else are they going to deter the genocidal nation of Israel from turning it into another Gaza?
 
无论美国愿不愿意，伊朗都会成为核国家。否则他们怎么阻止以色列这个种族灭绝国家把伊朗变成另一个加沙？
 
@simonread2411
And none of you mentioned the original stated goals was to help Iranians overturn the Islamic leadership. The closure of the strait is directly attributable to Trump invading their country.  He created the problem and now claims to be solving it. Lunatics. Long game?  Long game?  Trump thinks in days not even weeks or months. Other countries helping?  The world despises the US, Trump has successfully alienated every ally.
 
你们没人提到过，最初的公开目标是帮助伊朗人推翻伊斯兰领导层。海峡的关闭直接是特朗普入侵他们国家造成的。他制造了问题，现在还声称自己在解决问题。疯子。什么“长远计划”？长远计划？特朗普的思维只停留在几天，甚至几周或几个月。其他国家帮忙？全世界都鄙视美国，特朗普已经成功疏远了每一个盟友。
 
@peterkakuta118
Iran cannot be said to be the most evil country on earth. The most evil countries on earth are those that have caused millions of deaths around the world through sponsorship of destabilising forces, regime changes and civil wars. Iran has not done any of that
 
不能说伊朗是地球上最邪恶的国家。地球上最邪恶的国家是那些通过支持破坏性势力、政权更迭和内战导致全球数百万人死亡的国家。伊朗没有做过这些事。
 
@angrytrader3783
All US  military personal involed in these unprovoked attacks needs to be tried and put in prison. Just like the nuernburg trials. Hilter was dead... but we locked up thousands of his criminal military socipaths. Same neesd to happen in the US.
 
所有参与这些无端攻击的美军人员都应该接受审判并入狱。就像纽伦堡审判一样。希特勒已经死了……但我们关押了成千上万他的犯罪军事精神病患者。美国也需要这样做。
 
@distantquasar5218
This war was wearing Trump down. He surrendered because he was on the verge of having a nervous breakdown as we heard in his post to Iran about opening up the Straits. He couldn't handle the pressure anymore. The Iranians are still firing missiles at Israel and their neighbors. The Straits are still closed, so what did Trump accomplish at this point other than a military defeat?
 
这场战争正在消耗特朗普。他之所以投降，是因为他濒临精神崩溃，从他向伊朗发出的关于开放海峡的帖子就能看出来。他再也承受不了压力了。而伊朗仍在向以色列及其邻国发射导弹。海峡仍然关闭，所以到目前为止，特朗普除了军事失败，还取得了什么成就？
 
@Joe-v7y4p
Easy to answer, because Iran's military isn't decimated. They also have Asia and Russia backing them. Trump was told to back down by his billionaire donors and he did. This is no joke people, we need to get him out along with Hegseth and let adults lead this country.
 
很容易回答，因为伊朗军队没有被消灭。他们还有亚洲和俄罗斯的支持。特朗普是被他的亿万富翁捐助者叫停的，他照做了。这可不是开玩笑，我们需要把他和赫格塞斯一起赶下台，让成年人来领导这个国家。
 
@keneright
Instead of discussing about whose winning and missiles being shown breaking busting buildings why no show how infant kids are being dismembered by Trump and Netanyahu bombs..that would be more "entertaining" for those who thirst blood. Or better yet wake up ppl to witness the reality that these mad leaders are causing the world to endure..
 
与其讨论谁在赢，导弹打破建筑的画面，为什么不展示特朗普和内塔尼亚胡的炸弹如何肢解婴儿呢？这对那些渴望血腥的人来说会更“有娱乐性”。或者更好的是，让大家醒醒，看到这些疯狂的领导人正在让世界忍受什么。
 
@ivideinganeokkeaanu3921
Now it is high time to outest the lunatic mentally unstable, incompetent, old habitual lier, scumback, and probable Epestin offender Donald Trump for good and put him behind in a mental asylum or prison for good and also freeze and seize his financial assets and use to pay the families of the defence personnel who lost their lives for this unwarranted war rather than putting the financial burden on American citizens by increasing the taxes and removing the medical benefits American citizens enjoy. Also those involved in the Epestin case must be punished for good. Lastly Trump must not be trusted on the ceasefire so he must be removed from the office of President tonight before he changes his mind.
 
现在是时候把那个精神不稳定、无能、习惯性撒谎、下流的老骗子、可能的埃普斯坦案件涉事者唐纳德·特朗普彻底赶下台，送进精神病院或监狱，并冻结和没收他的财产，用来赔偿在这场不必要的战争中失去生命的军人家庭，而不是通过增加税收和取消美国公民享受的医疗福利来将财务负担转嫁给美国公民。还要惩罚那些参与埃普斯坦案件的人。最后，不能再信任特朗普关于停火的承诺，他必须在今晚被从总统职位上撤下，免得他改变主意。
 
@jeffjones5591
This MOST evil nationstate, how many dictators has it overthrown since the 1970s, when the US supported regime change then? How many? ZERO, how many has the US removed or kidnapped? ALL OF THEM, they are responsible for almost every regime change by force on the international non-civil war regime changes. He just did it, so when you are saying the EVIL nationstate, you better be sure your are not pissing back into our own canoe.
 
这个最邪恶的国家，1970年代美国支持政权更迭的时候，它推翻了多少个独裁者？多少个？零，多少个是美国去除或绑架的？全部！他们对几乎所有的政权更替负有责任，这些都是非内战型的国际政权更替。特朗普刚刚做了这一切。所以，当你说“邪恶的国家”时，最好确保你没有在自家船上撒尿。
 
@TheAernomad
I love to hear opposing arguments, but Scott Jennings and Chris Madel  are two idiots living in an entirely different reality. Where are the conservatives with real speaking points and who bring alternative perspective. I hate seeing these two dumb-asses make baseless arguments and can't answer questions based on fact. They have no points and bring nothing to the discussion but reiterated talking points from Trump and Hegseth.
 
我喜欢听反对的观点，但斯科特·詹宁斯和克里斯·马德尔是两个活在完全不同现实中的傻瓜。真正有说服力的保守派在哪里？那些能提出替代视角的人在哪里？我讨厌看到这两个傻瓜提出毫无根据的论点，无法基于事实回答问题。他们没有任何有价值的观点，只是重复特朗普和赫格塞斯的陈词滥调。
 
@wingeddragonra9703
How was Iranian’s nuclear capability degraded when all it took was merely 6 months from complete obliteration to nearly completed to be launched against the U.S. and our allies? According to Trump, Iran can get a nuke ready every 6 months.
 
当从彻底摧毁到几乎完成并准备好对美国及其盟友发射只需6个月的时间时，伊朗的核能力是如何被削弱的？根据特朗普的说法，伊朗每6个月就能准备好一颗核弹。
 
@PatronCorleone_CS
The ceasfire announcement is to prevent a market sell off and to keep the dow from collapsing.  Its a fake announcement by our fake president to manipulate the markets.. works every fuggin time
 
停火声明是为了防止市场抛售，保持道琼斯指数不崩溃。这是我们虚假的总统为了操控市场而做出的虚假声明……每次都有效。
 
@eshetuGobena-rd9or
Many of you are ignorant about Iran. Iran is the Lord of Hormuz and military might in middle east you like or NOT. Trump no way to be God of this world. Already he destroyed entire world economic business.
 
你们很多人对伊朗一无所知。伊朗是霍尔木兹海峡的主人，是中东的军事强国，不管你们喜欢与否。特朗普根本不可能成为这个世界的上帝。他已经摧毁了整个世界的经济。
 
@William-Waite
We should have never entered into this situation to begin with. this was a completely self-inflicted issue. But now that we're here, America needs to focus on de-escalation. The ceasefire is a start, but we can't afford to let egos get in the way of a long-term diplomatic solution. It's time to swallow our pride, take the negotiations seriously, and secure a stable exit strategy before things spiral out of control again.
 
我们本不应该陷入这种局面。这是完全自找的麻烦。但既然我们已经身处其中，美国现在需要专注于缓解局势。停火是一个开始，但我们不能让个人自尊妨碍长期的外交解决方案。是时候放下自尊，认真对待谈判，并在局势再次失控之前确保一个稳定的退出战略。
 
@Virgil-l8k
You all do realize the rockets have not stopped since the ceasefire was announced, right? This ceasefire announcement is rhetorical. It’s only an embarrassment to the U.S., who look like they tried to manufacture an out, and Iran gave us the finger.
 
你们都知道自从宣布停火以来，火箭攻击并没有停止，对吧？这个停火声明只是空洞的说辞。它只会让美国丢脸，看起来像是他们试图制造一个借口，而伊朗则给了我们一个中指。
 
@boj353boy
I can think of two countries that right now are more "EVIL" than Iran...
 
我现在能想到两个比伊朗更“邪恶”的国家……
 
@brightfrimpongmanso4198
It is Trump who is saying that Iranian military and nuclear capability is degraded, is that true?
 
是特朗普说伊朗的军事和核能力已经被削弱，那是真的吗？
 
@halemtessema9256
today is the begining of two weeks negotiations. Hope it concludes with peace winning.
 
今天是为期两周的谈判的开始。希望最终能以和平胜利结束。
 
@frank-s4q6u
Those two rep. are just so unqualifed to listen to. One dont need a navy to close the strait , you only need drone or missils fired from land to hit all you need.
 
那两个代表真是不值得听的。其实不需要海军来封锁霍尔木兹海峡，你只需要无人机或从陆地发射的导弹，就能打击到所有需要打击的目标。
 
@joysun339
The oil price and gas price going up is Turnup's main focus because he knows it makes him look like a loooooser and will cost him the mid-terms.
 
油价和天然气价格上涨是特朗普的主要关注点，因为他知道这会让他看起来像个大输家，并且会让他失去中期选举的机会。
 
@robbase-f6x
Classic taco ingredients include a protein (usually ground beef with seasonings), hard or soft shells, and fresh toppings like lettuce, cheese, tomatoes, and salsa. Common additions include sour cream, guacamole, diced onions, and cilantro
 
经典的塔可配料包括一种蛋白质（通常是用调味的牛肉末）、硬壳或软壳饼皮，以及生菜、奶酪、西红柿和莎莎酱等新鲜配料。常见的额外添加还有酸奶油、牛油果酱、切丁洋葱和香菜。
 
@SylviaPietersen
If CNN is saying all military equipment and hardware destroyed, then why were you desperate for peace.
 
如果CNN说所有军事装备和武器都被摧毁了，那你们为什么还急着要和平？
 
@stevenbennion1544
Hormuz has always been OPEN, it's only close to Iran's enemies
 
霍尔木兹海峡一直都是开放的，只是对伊朗的敌人来说“接近封锁”。
 
@Duffyyy94
Imagine having the power of the US military and you go to war with iran, refuse to call it a war, then surrender
 
想象一下，拥有世界上最强大的美国军队，却去和伊朗开战，不愿意称之为战争，最后却“投降”。
 
@MoonMoon-s5v
Pakistan has saved the entire world from World War III. The whole world is grateful to Pakistan and recognizes it as a big brother.
 
巴基斯坦拯救了整个世界免于第三次世界大战。全世界都对巴基斯坦心怀感激，并承认它是一个“大哥”。
 
@bitcoinmaster3634
The last time Iran had control over the strait was 500 years ago when they were known as Persia, before the Portuguese snatched it away from them.
 
伊朗上一次控制这个海峡是在500年前，当时他们被称为波斯帝国，之后被葡萄牙人夺走了控制权。
 
@Skip_Kxxxx
Love corporate media. Iran has "pretty extreme" demands, like being allowed to survive, not be under punishing sanctions,  not having leaders assassinated.   Very extreme.
 
我喜欢企业媒体的说法。伊朗提出了“非常极端”的要求，比如：允许自己继续存在、不被严厉制裁、不让其领导人被暗杀。真是“极端”要求。
 
@MachiavellisThePrince
Trump desperately needs to be removed and anti-American extremists, like Scott Jennings, can just join a different cult.
 
特朗普急需被罢免，而那些反美极端分子，比如斯科特·詹宁斯，可以去加入别的“教派”。
 
@Virgil-l8k
This is why you don’t draw red lines. When you inevitably get to the deadline, and you back down, you look weak. Trump and the U.S. look weak today.
 
这就是为什么你不应该画红线。当你不可避免地到了最后期限，又退缩时，你看起来就很软弱。今天，特朗普和美国看起来都很软弱。
 
@Soundoverload
What a loss for Taco Trump …now the Iranians control Hormuz and the regime is apparantly intact
 
特朗普真是个大输家……现在伊朗控制了霍尔木兹海峡，且政权显然完好无损。
 
@sunpapa9107
Thank you sister for demonstrating to that tRumpy fool Scott Jennings that tRump is a fool that has been "check mated "by Iran!The whole world knows it and we all have  to suffer because of it!
 
感谢姐姐向那个特朗普傻瓜斯科特·詹宁斯证明特朗普是个傻瓜，被伊朗“将军将军”。全世界都知道这一点，我们都得为此付出代价！
 
@raghurattehalli6553
Once upon a time the Hormuz was a free passage now they charge a huge toll and ships have to take permission from the Iranian military to pass through, so the winner is Donald Tariff Trump. Bloke
 
曾几何时，霍尔木兹海峡是自由通行的，现在他们收取巨额通行费，船只必须获得伊朗军方的许可才能通过，所以赢家是唐纳德·关税特朗普。那个家伙。
 
@Ave-Lanche-N18
Deal or not we are heading into uncertainty, confusion and danger. And we have a 79 year old man at the helm.
 
无论是否达成协议，我们都在走向不确定、混乱和危险。而且我们现在有一个79岁的老人在掌舵。
 
@Priamos-n2n
Trump’s diplomacy is a total moonwalk: He looks like he’s charging forward, but he’s actually sliding in the opposite direction.
 
特朗普的外交就像在跳月球漫步：看起来他正在向前冲，但实际上他在朝相反的方向滑行。
 
@Fableirish
Putin will be coaching the Iranians on how to play tRump. He has been doing it for years. Dementia Don is completely out of his league.
 
普京会教伊朗人如何玩弄特朗普。他已经这样做好多年了。老年痴呆症的唐纳德完全不在同一个水平线上。
 
@tedbanker6294
None of these people know anything about fighting a war . They just know how to fight with each other
 
这些人根本不懂得如何打仗，他们只知道怎么互相争斗。
 
@SJGSJG-y8v
Trump’s threats of GENOCIDE in Iran are grounds for impeachment and removal. “Republicans in Congress are spineless,” says Sen. Markey but encourages Congress to come together to remove Trump from office.
 
特朗普威胁要在伊朗进行种族灭绝，这足以成为弹劾和罢免他的理由。“国会中的共和党人毫无骨气，”马克·马基参议员说，但他鼓励国会团结起来把特朗普赶下台。
 
@prycereign
trump buried his ex-wife on the 9th hole of a golf course for a tax write-off. He cares about no one!
 
特朗普把他的前妻埋在了高尔夫球场的第九洞，为了税收减免。他根本不关心任何人！
 
@Valdemagra-BJD
Pakistan is on tRumps 'Board of Peace'.  Are we sure this threat of GENOCIDE upon Iran wasn't another of tRump's grifter scams to manipulate the markets?  Just so much corruption!
 
巴基斯坦在特朗普的“和平委员会”里。我们确定特朗普对伊朗的种族灭绝威胁不是他的又一个诈骗手段，用来操控市场吗？简直就是满满的腐败！
 
@jeffdaly6108
Scott should be ashamed of himself and embarrassed to leave his home
 
斯科特应该感到羞愧，甚至不敢出门。