国外网友热议：中国如何将沙漠变成发电站！

@teebone2157
US Media = Free energy " BUT AT WHAT COST"!"

美国媒体 = 免费能源“但这代价是什么呢”！

@never4ever386
It means the big oil and gas companies can’t profit. Thats why they’ve lobbied Trump to “drill, baby, drill”

这意味着大型石油和天然气公司赚不到钱了。这就是为什么他们游说特朗普去“钻井，宝贝，开钻”。

@alanmay7929
@never4ever386 as if trump isn’t also making more money from that after stealing Venezuela oil!?!?

@never4ever386 说的好像特朗普在偷走委内瑞拉石油后，没从中赚更多钱一样！？！？

@romanval69
@alanmay7929 Doesn't matter. Oil on earth is a finite resource... while the sun will shine for billions of years. Any country that depends on oil for their wealth will die.

@alanmay7929 这不重要。地球上的石油是有限资源……而太阳会照耀数十亿年。任何依赖石油致富的国家最终都会走向枯竭。

@alanmay7929
@romanval69 Blablablablabla!!!!!! Oil keeps forming under our feet’s all around the world it’s a process that has been going for millions of years cry harder!

@romanval69 吧啦吧啦吧啦！！石油一直在我们脚下全球范围内不断形成，这是一个持续了数百万年的过程，你尽管哭去吧！

@romanval69
@alanmay7929 So you believe in abiotic oil formation? Even though there is zero evidence of it happening? Hah! I bet you also believe in flat earth, "intelligent design", and bigfoot!

@alanmay7929 所以你相信石油的非生物成因说？尽管根本没有证据表明这正在发生？哈！我打赌你还相信地平论、“智能设计论”和野人（大脚怪）！

@alanmay7929
@romanval69 ok Sherlock oil just sudenly appeared from nowhere wow! You’re sooo brillant! Amazing! Applause……..

@romanval69 好的，神探夏洛克，石油就是突然凭空出现的，哇！你太有才了！了不起！鼓掌……

@王德信-o9k
at a low cost

以低廉的代价。

@gatesbill1805
CNN and BBC BUT AT WHAT COST? Let's talk about the Epstein case and the Lolita Island incident first. Why did they engage in such heinous acts?

CNN和BBC：但这代价是什么呢？让我们先聊聊爱泼斯坦案和萝莉岛事件吧。他们为什么会参与这种令人发指的勾当？

@冯建邦
The cost is that we now have access to cheaper electricity.

代价就是我们用上了更便宜的电。

@garyhirtz4392
People of China. You should be proud of these projects. Very impressed.

中国人民，你们应该为这些项目感到自豪。令人印象深刻。

@eeshananand3773
People of USA, they are in copium state watching these projects. Very impressive.

美国人民看着这些项目正处于“靠幻想安慰自己”的状态。非常震撼。

@木木-c3k
We have always been very proud. How China developed from one of the poorest countries in the world to what it is today—this is just a tiny part of the journey we've traveled.

我们一直很骄傲，中国怎么从世界最贫困的国家发展到现在的，这只是我们来时路当中很小的一部分。

@liang892
If you knew about our South-to-North Water Diversion Project and our desertification control efforts, you'd be even more amazed.

如果你了解我们的南水北调工程和治沙成就，你会更加惊讶。

@Ruthless_entertainment
@liang892 the water diversion project hasn't met the expectations.

@liang892 调水工程并没达到预期效果。

@chenyiyi-ur2oh
Where are you ? At least I am drinking the water, don't just talk.

你在哪呢？至少我正喝着这水呢，别光动嘴皮子。

@Lionwith
We are proud of this.However, under the US government's annual anti-China propaganda budget of more than one billion dollars, China's achievements have been distorted and demonized.

我们为此自豪。然而，在美国政府每年超过十亿美元的反华宣传预算下，中国的成就被扭曲和妖魔化了。

@ShenJianxiao
we don't need you to say that

我们不需要你这么说。

@YouCC2
China is our best hope to turn Nuclear Fusion Reactor ( from theoretical concepts ) into a reality and free our dependency on dirty fossil fuels.

中国是我们化核聚变反应堆（从理论概念）为现实、摆脱对肮脏化石燃料依赖的最大希望。

@gaoasiandragon
the solar panels are also helping to make green areas in the desert.

太阳能电池板也在帮助沙漠形成绿化区。

@craftymulligar
In Africa I watched them turn deserts into green. By digging dug outs to capture water and help prevent erosion. Course with using waste among other things. Australia and USA. planted things to help prevent dust bowls.

在非洲，我看着他们把沙漠变绿。通过挖掘储水坑来汇集水并防止侵蚀。当然还利用了废弃物等。澳大利亚和美国也种过东西来防止沙尘暴。

@motazabdelazeem3533
Such mega power projects could prevent half of wars, which is ignited by oil

这类巨型能源项目可以阻止一半由石油点燃的战争。

@briandonovan9091
Right now in Iran!

就像现在的伊朗！

@kostaskonstantinidis7318
Nah, they ll find others reasons. War goes hand to hand with human history.

不，他们会找到其他理由。战争与人类历史如影随形。

@xiangyangzhang2286
@kostaskonstantinidis7318 US？

@kostaskonstantinidis7318 是在说美国吗？

@CTHN7
@kostaskonstantinidis7318 Human rights and democracy are old standby when U.S. (regime change champion) runs out of excuse. 1) Use misinformation & disinformation propaganda to stir up internal tension and create conflict. 2) When targeted govt takes action to shut the propaganda down then accuse it of suppressing free speech or violating human right thus anti democracy. 3) Sanction the target country to cause economic suffering to the people so they overthrow the govt. Copy, paste and repeat with any other country that doesn’t do what U.S. dictates it to do to serve U.S. interest.

@kostaskonstantinidis7318 当美国（政权更迭冠军）找不出借口时，人权和民主就是老生常谈的备选项。1）利用虚假信息宣传挑起内部紧张局势并制造冲突。2）当目标政府采取行动取缔宣传时，就指责其压制言论自由或侵犯人权，从而扣上反民主的帽子。3）制裁目标国家，让民众承受经济痛苦，从而推翻政府。对任何不听从美国指令、不服务于美国利益的国家，直接复制、粘贴并重复这一套流程。

@anneeq008
Yes and no, the wars will shift over minerals. But then once a country has this infrastructure there won't be a requirement for a continuous supply as these panels last for a quarter of a century.

是也不是。战争会转向矿产争夺。但一旦一个国家拥有了这种基础设施，就不再需要持续的能源供应，因为这些面板可以持续使用二十五年。

@briandonovan9091
@anneeq008 The thing is that solar wind and batteries require 100s of times less mining minerals and materials per unit power and energy as fossil or nuclear. With recycling that goes to 1000's of times less material needed.

@anneeq008 问题在于，太阳能、风能和电池每单位功率和能量所需的矿物开采和材料比化石能源或核能少几百倍。结合回收技术，所需材料能减少上千倍。

@NexusAxisGM
The real achievement isn’t building solar panels in the desert… it’s building the grid that moves the power thousands of kilometers.

真正的成就不是在沙漠里建太阳能电池板……而是建成能跨越数千公里输送电力的电网。

@shisan-d4p
China possesses Ultra-High Voltage (UHV) power transmission technology.

中国有特高压输电技术。

@action542
Both are impressive.

两者都令人印象深刻。

@romanval69
They built a UHVDC network for that.

他们为此建设了特高压直流（UHVDC）网络。

@aleckkong3590
both, solar panels is super super huge project

两者皆是，太阳能电池板本身也是超级巨型的工程。

@satsapar55555
Қытайлар өте жақсы дамып жатыр

中国人发展得非常好。

@FutureEnergyProjects
China is making use of the natural resources and people of China will be proud of these amazing projects.

中国正在利用自然资源，中国人民会为这些了不起的项目感到自豪。

@zisimo-fk6gp
BBC\\\\CNN: but at what cost?

BBC/CNN：但这代价是什么呢？

@Pram-pram
Lower cost than the 1 ineffective b2 bomber.

成本比那一架没啥用的B-2轰炸机还要低。

@ricco123tube
Overall, much lower cost than fossil fuels.

总体而言，成本远低于化石燃料。

@Ryan1104Eric
Western media outlets spreading fake news have recently been touting a US invasion of Iran that would trigger an oil crisis in China. However, they fail to mention that oil only accounts for 18% of China's energy mix. China is the world's largest producer of wind, solar, and hydropower, ranking first without exception. China's clean energy generation is more than double that of the second-ranked country.

传播假新闻的西方媒体最近一直在宣扬美国入侵伊朗会引发中国的石油危机。然而，他们没提到石油仅占中国能源结构的18%。中国是全球最大的风能、太阳能和水能生产国，毫无例外排名第一。中国的清洁能源发电量是排名第二的国家的两倍多。

@Ryan1104Eric
China has been working towards energy diversification for many years, and its approach is completely different from that of the United States, which has consistently sought global oil hegemony and seized other countries' oil resources. China pursues peaceful development and is happy to engage in peaceful trade with all countries, from Israel to Iran.

中国多年来一直致力于能源多元化，其做法与美国完全不同——美国一贯追求全球石油霸权并掠夺他国的石油资源。中国追求和平发展，并乐于与包括以色列和伊朗在内的所有国家进行和平贸易。

@AkshayIngle-m4l
​ @Ryan1104Eric Right I think now China will double efforts on renewables and EVs

@Ryan1104Eric 没错，我认为现在中国会在可再生能源和电动汽车上加倍努力。

@CTHN7
US media and its fall-in-line-or-else allies media are heavily biased and outright propaganda on various topics.

美国媒体及其唯命是从的盟友媒体在各种议题上都有严重的偏见，完全是政治宣传。

@oberstleutnant787
China also invest heavily on nuclear power plants.

中国在核电站方面也投入了巨资。

@Frostea
Oil's use go further than simply burning them for power. It is an essential product that is the basis for many industrial chemicals used in other industry. That's why everyone is taking a hit from the situation in Hormuz.

石油的用途不仅限于燃烧发电。它是许多其他行业所使用的工业化学品的基础。这就是为什么所有人都会受到霍尔木兹海峡局势冲击的原因。

@Kapi-life
Nobody in the Western world talks about environmental protection anymore; only the Chinese are serious about it.

西方世界现在没人再谈论环保了；只有中国人在认真对待这件事。

@unxusr
They were too busy accusing China on polluting

他们正忙着指责中国污染呢。

@zbsddnskleyghhig8jbj821
UHV power transmission, energy storage batteries, solar, and wind power are no longer the main issues now.

特高压输变电传输和储能电池，太阳能和风力发电现在不是问题。

@TheUntoldHorizon
Turning deserts into power plants is such a smart way to use vast, empty spaces. The scale of China's solar and wind expansion there is mind-blowing. Curious how they manage dust on the panels and integrate all that power into the grid. Great topic!

把沙漠变成发电厂是利用广阔空地的聪明办法。中国在那里的太阳能和风能扩张规模令人震惊。好奇他们如何处理面板上的灰尘并将所有电力整合进电网。很棒的话题！

@AkshayIngle-m4l
This Chinese people have now Automatic robots,Some are using AI and Some grid is based on camera and and using AI for transmission.

这些中国人现在有了自动机器人，有的在用AI，有的电网基于摄像头并利用AI进行输电。

@CTHN7
Solar-powered cleaner mounts on rail which solar panels also attached. The cleaning water runoff and shade from solar panels gradually transform desert into greenery and reduce sand dust.

太阳能驱动的清洁器安装在导轨上。清洁水的流出和太阳能板的遮挡正逐渐将沙漠变成绿洲，并减少了沙尘。

@rafajeng7888
Elon Musk did a calculation when he visited China a couple of years ago: all China's electricity need can be met by covering a minor-city-sized area in its western desert with solar panels.

埃隆·马斯克几年前访问中国时做过一个计算：只要在中国西部沙漠覆盖一个中小城市规模大小的太阳能电池板，就能满足中国全境的电力需求。

@kangkim150
Electricity moves at near speed of light so if you have a population center in the east and solar power 2 or 3 time zones away in the west you can have few extra hours of solar power in the east without storage while power usage ramps down throughout the night. Not many countries out there are wide enough to have this advantage tho.

电力以接近光速传输，所以如果你在东部有个人口中心，而在两三个时区外的西部有太阳能，你就可以在东部无需储能的情况下多获得几小时的太阳能，而此时晚间的用电负荷正在下降。没多少国家有足够的宽度来享受这种优势。

@nafeesimtiaz9707
But electricity loss for long transmission is quite high

但长距离输电的损耗非常高。

@LEIL-k4b
That's why China has conquered UHVDC transmission technology. Over thousands of kilometers, the wires don't even heat up, and losses are minimal. China's lead in this technology is currently generational compared to the rest of the world.

所以中国攻克了特高压直流输电技术，数千公里的距离电线甚至都不会发热，损失极少，这项技术目前在全世界中国断代式领先。

@kangkim150
@nafeesimtiaz9707 UHVDC transmission only has 1.5% to 3.5% loss per 1,000 kilometers

@nafeesimtiaz9707 特高压直流输电每千公里的损耗仅为1.5%到3.5%。

@beyondfossil
@nafeesimtiaz9707 It is not as high as others explained. Want to know what system loses a lot during transmission? It's pumping physical material through pipelines that requires massive amounts of energy. Pumping matter never wins over electricity, even when both systems are optimized.

@nafeesimtiaz9707 并不像别人说的那么高。想知道什么系统在输送过程中损耗巨大吗？是通过管道泵送实物（如石油），那需要消耗海量能源。即便两个系统都经过优化，泵送实物也永远赢不了输电。

@nickl5658
@nafeesimtiaz9707 UHVDC solves the problem.

@nafeesimtiaz9707 特高压直流解决了这个问题。

@dugang139
@nafeesimtiaz9707 It involves with high technologies which occupied by China.

@nafeesimtiaz9707 这涉及由中国掌握的高端技术。

@AkshayIngle-m4l
If electricity available for extra hours at night then morning it will delay by same hours

如果在晚间能多获得几小时电力，那么早晨也会相应推迟同样的小时。

@RussellFineArt
AWESOME to see this!! The whole world will soon run on 100% solar, wind, hydro and small nuclear power, + BESS, with solar making up 80% of all power. The oil wars of today and yesterday will be in the history books, along with their evil relics who started and supported them.

看到这些太棒了！！全世界很快将100%运行在太阳能、风能、水能和小型核能以及电池储能系统上，其中太阳能占总电力的80%。今天和过去的石油战争将成为历史，连同那些发动和支持战争的邪恶遗迹一起。

@Ryan1104Eric
As long as the United States exists, the situation you described will not happen. The U.S. will use any means necessary to maintain its oil hegemony and continuously seize the oil of other countries.

只要有美国存在，你说的这个情况就不会发生，美国会无所不用其极地去维护他的石油霸权，并且不断侵占其他国家的石油。

@CTHN7
@Ryan1104Eric U.S. oil industry is very powerful influencer of U.S. govt so oil will continue to dominate for decades into the future.

@Ryan1104Eric 美国石油工业对美国政府有极强的影力，所以石油在未来几十年内仍将占据主导地位。

@azzamatic4190
Wow China is living in the future

哇，中国生活在未来。

@Pram-pram
And Israel is living to wipe out other countries, which makes me wonder why so many European leaders stands for them.

而以色列生活在消灭其他国家的念头中，这让我好奇为什么这么多欧洲领导人支持他们。

@CTHN7
@Pram-pram European leaders have to follow U.S. leader directive and agenda or else their countries get high tariffed, their trades get curtailed or even sanctioned. European countries are not truly independent but are vassals of U.S. U.S. calls the shots.

@Pram-pram 欧洲领导人必须听从美国的指令和议程，否则他们的国家会被课以高关税、贸易受限甚至遭到制裁。欧洲国家并非真正独立，而是美国的附庸。美国说了算。

@never4ever386
Apart from minor set up and maintenance costs, the inflow of solar and wind energy is free! Stop relying on burning fossil fuels, it’s going to run out one day. Also, if a country generates its own energy it won’t have to rely on others in case of supply problems and geopolitics.

除了少量的安装和维护成本，太阳能和风能的注入是免费的！停止依赖燃烧化石燃料吧，它总有一天会用完。而且，如果一个国家能自给能源，在遇到供应问题或地缘政治波动时就不必依赖他人。

@lucijanpraprotnik
I am sure China can quickly replace coal by using solar and wind clean energy as well as hydro plants

我确信中国可以通过利用太阳能、风能以及水电站快速取代煤炭。

@tyalikanky
Greatly.

非常出色。

@dennish5150
But precedent Trump tell us China don't use wind turbine them self

但之前的特朗普告诉我们，中国自己都不用风力发电机。

@atlantasailor1
Could you put solar panels vertically on the blades of windmills? Or perhaps vertically on their towers? It would be a more efficient use of land. Not as good as horizontal panels perhaps but useful.

能不能把太阳能电池板垂直装在风力发电机的叶片上？或者垂直装在塔架上？这样利用土地更高效。也许不如水平面板效果好，但很有用。

@henglee3127
Excellent idea. However, the current cost of flexible solar panels is still too high, and China has vast deserts, making it uneconomical from a construction cost perspective.

主意不错。然而，目前柔性太阳能电池板的成本仍然过高，且中国拥有广阔的沙漠，从建设成本的角度来看，这样做并不划算。

@NashvilleAustralia
450GW of solar and wind is the equivalent of 9GW of coal or nuclear. Without 4 times the power capacity in battery storage it's useless for constant generation without conventional power stations.

450GW的风能和太阳能（考虑利用率后）仅相当于9GW的煤电或核电。如果没有4倍容量的电池储能，在没有常规电站的情况下，它无法保证持续发电，是没用的。

@briandonovan9091
China is predicting peak coal soon, most of the rest of the world already has. installing new solar and wind are cheaper than maintaining coal energy. China is is following the science and logic and going renewable fast. The big deserts are expensive with the transmission costs, the cleaning is cheap, it's Romhba for solar. Chinese folks are also installing rooftop solar and home batteries which does not requires more transmission, it reduces it. Got to admit the scale of the desert solar and wind is exciting.

中国预测煤炭消费很快达峰，世界其他大部分地区已经达峰了。安装新的风能和太阳能比维护煤炭能源更便宜。中国正遵循科学和逻辑，快速转向可再生能源。大沙漠的输电成本很高，但清洁成本很低，简直是太阳能界的扫地机器人（Roomba）。中国人还在安装屋顶太阳能和家庭电池，这不需要更多输电，反而减少了输电需求。不得不承认，沙漠光伏和风电的规模令人振奋。

@SirusStarTV
How to recycle all of these panels...

如何回收所有这些电池板……

@fredrik3685
How do you recycle oil? Oh, wait you just pollute the atmosphere, i just realised.

你怎么回收石油？哦等等，你只是污染了大气层，我刚意识到这一点。

@markhivin8670
They are made from sand. You recycle sand easily...

它们是由沙子制成的。回收沙子很容易……

@SirusStarTV
@markhivin8670 if only it would be regular sand...

@markhivin8670 如果那只是普通沙子就好了……

@markhivin8670
​ @SirusStarTV yes 99%

@SirusStarTV 是的，99%都是。

@alanmay7929
There is a German engineer/inventor that developed and very powerful and efficient way of separating the layers of the solar panels without destroying or crushing them so it already solved problem

有一位德国工程师/发明家开发了一种非常强大且高效的方法，可以在不破坏或粉碎面板的情况下分离太阳能板的各层，所以这个问题已经解决了。

@Hiusername-not-cursed
@alanmay7929 many countries actually have done this

@alanmay7929 许多国家实际上已经做到了。

@beyondfossil
Many ways. Used panels are way too valuable to just throw away. The aluminum frx is very easily separated and can be melted down conventionally and reused. The cells have metals like silver and copper. Glass can be recycled. These recycling processes can all be powered by—you guessed it—more solar! ☀

方法很多。废旧面板太值钱了，不能直接扔掉。铝框很容易分离，可以用常规方法熔化再利用。电池片含有银和铜等金属。玻璃也可以回收。这些回收过程都可以由——你猜对了——更多的太阳能驱动！☀

@chow-chihuang4903
@beyondfossil Used panels typically function just fine, just at a lower output than originally. If you gave them away, somebody will take used PV panels that yield 70-90% of their original capacity. Even if they no longer produce, as you said, their materials are valuable enough they will be recycled.

@beyondfossil 旧面板通常运行良好，只是输出功率比最初低。如果你白送，肯定有人愿意要那些功率还有初始容量70-90%的旧面板。即使它们不再发电，如你所说，它们的材料价值也足以支撑回收。

@gatesbill1805
Consider using it first; stop researching useless things. You haven't even made money yet, so don't think about donating first. Stupid.

你先考虑用吧 ，别研究没用的了。你都没赚到钱呢，别先想捐款了，愚蠢！

@LEIL-k4b
The development of AI has now given China a robust garbage recycling system, to the point where there's a shortage of garbage, and even competition for it has emerged. In the past, people had to pay waste disposal companies to handle garbage, but now garbage has become a hot commodity, with waste disposal companies instead paying to purchase it. Landfills once buried deep underground have all been dug up, and former waste disposal sites have now been transformed back into green spaces.

AI的发展现在给中国带来了一个强大的垃圾回收系统，以至于出现了垃圾短缺，甚至竞争。过去人们得付钱给垃圾处理公司处理垃圾，但现在垃圾成了抢手货，处理公司反而付钱购买。曾经深埋地下的填埋场都被挖了出来，以前的废弃物处理场现在又变回了绿地。

@armourskeleton
Currently, about 60% of China's electricity still comes from coal. In order to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, China will further promote the development of green energy.

目前，中国约60%的电力仍来自煤炭。为了减少二氧化碳排放，中国将进一步推动绿色能源的发展。

@Dordordord
bullshit. your data was several year's outdated. you had no idea how fast China developed itself. in 2023, green energy has surpassed fuel energy. coal is less than 40% of China's energy structure

胡扯。你的数据已经过时好几年了。你根本不知道中国发展有多快。在2023年，绿色能源已经超过了化石能源。煤炭在中国能源结构中的占比已低于40%。

@simonbowman6206
BIGGER THAN A CITY!!! Well a city that will last a max of 25yrs and end in landfill ,,,, NOW in Australia a test was run for a retro fittable system to dams that will let them have up to three extra turbine banks so more power from the same volume of water currently used. Now that was in 2016 and the videos were placed on facebook BET U NEVER HEARD OF IT

比城市还大！！好吧，这个“城市”最多只能维持25年，最后会进垃圾填埋场……在澳大利亚，曾进行过一项针对大坝的可加装系统测试，能在使用相同水量的情况下增加多达三组涡轮机组。那是2016年的事，视频发在Facebook上，我敢打赌你肯定没听说过。

@2CharlesTTrentdui
China’s debt issue isn’t just about the headline numbers — it’s about structure. Much of the debt sits with local governments and property developers, tied to infrastructure and real estate. The real question isn’t whether China has debt, but whether growth and restructuring can outpace the risks over time.

中国的债务问题不仅在于表面数字，更在于结构。大部分债务集中在地方政府和房地产开发商手中，与基础设施和房地产挂钩。真正的问题不在于中国是否有债务，而在于随着时间的推移，增长和结构调整能否跑赢风险。

@tiaoyi-bx5yi
What's amazing is that although China generates four times more electricity than India, the released space photos show India as bright as the sun, while China is just like the moon.

神奇的是，虽然中国的发电量是印度的四倍，但公布的卫星照片显示，印度像太阳一样亮，而中国却像月亮。

@Liam-Y-z5e
China is a developing country, while India is a developed country.

中国是发展中国家，而印度是发达国家。