美国人才流失严重，科学家纷纷流向中国 | THRESHOLD

@stevehoe5017 The USA is declining but not with discrimination, prejudices, class-divisions, shot at, rob and stab, etc. The USA University, research centers are not improving except going down rapidly.

美国正在衰落，但不是因为歧视、偏见、阶级分化、枪击、抢劫和刺伤等。美国的大学、研究中心没有改善，反而在迅速下滑。

@maximme next step is for China to draw other nationalities to work and do research inside China.

下一步是中国吸引其他国籍的人来中国工作和研究。

@TacticalMayo You're acting like it's going to make a difference. You forgot at the end of the day the US has one thing left and that's military.

你表现得好像这会产生影响一样，你忘记了最终美国还有一件事，那就是军事。

@sakshambhadoria9998 Amidst the rising tensions, irreconcilable differences and the increased competition between the world's most powerful economies they don't want to get caught in the crosshairs of this great power rivalry that is much more complex than the cold war. Social hostility has risen manifold due to the rise of anti-immigrant forces in the political landscape in the US. The US is not warmth and receptive to the idea of immigration any more.

在紧张局势加剧、不可调和的分歧以及世界上最强大经济体之间竞争加剧的情况下，他们不想陷入这场比冷战更复杂的大国竞争的交叉火力中。由于美国政治格局中反移民力量的崛起，社会敌意成倍增加，美国已不再对移民的想法抱有热情和接受。

@bushidofreakz What do you expect when US push China containment to the extreme limit? Racism, discrimination, always suspected as foreign spies, also Chinese Americans career won't rose to the top position of CEO no matter how hard or talented they are because of national security risk etc.

当美国将遏制中国推向极限时，你还能期待什么？种族主义、歧视、总是被怀疑为外国间谍，而且无论华裔美国人多么努力或有才华，由于国家安全风险等原因，他们的职业生涯也无法升至CEO这样的最高职位。

@matsforsberg6287 And the fact that China are years ahead of USA in technology must be a driving thing for a scientist.

中国在技术上领先美国多年，这对科学家来说一定是一个驱动力。

@Glory-to-God. this is like banning african american sprinters from representing USA in olympics

这就像禁止非裔美国短跑运动员代表美国参加奥运会一样。

@Drownedinblood Seems like Tom Cotton got what he wanted afterall...just not how he expected.

看来Tom Cotton最终还是得到了他想要的……只是不是他预期的方式。

@kaleeysmith8801 plz come home Chinese people, if you smart.... don't stay where you are hated. The whites hate your guts and at same time feel superior to you and treat you like that, like a dog. Come home and be treated with respect and love as any human being deserves to be treated.

请回家吧，中国人，如果你们聪明的话……不要留在你们被憎恨的地方。白人讨厌你们，同时觉得自己比你们优越，像对待狗一样对待你们。回家吧，你们将像所有人类一样受到尊重和爱的对待。

@wayned69 They were lured by the 'American dream', but when they woke up there coffee was cold and they realised it was only dream...

他们被“美国梦”所吸引，但当他们醒来时，咖啡已经冷了，他们意识到这只是一个梦……

@danieltam3923 See the past and present history of how a certain nation treats its indigenous people and its ethnic minorities, then it's not difficult to understand why more and more ethnic Chinese academics are leaving the US.

看看某个国家过去和现在如何对待其土著人民和少数民族，就不难理解为什么越来越多的华裔学者离开美国。



@filipwillems7296 Who would want to be in America today??? You dare to ask why?? Because some people care about more than just money unlike the Americans

今天谁还想留在美国？？？你敢问为什么？？因为不像美国人，有些人关心的不仅仅是钱。

@gregoryjudie7704 The main reasons for the exodges are Discrimination and that the knowledge that they possess May 1 day be used against their home country.

离开的主要原因是歧视以及他们拥有的知识可能有一天会被用来对付他们的祖国。

@dmedic213 So in short America wants all the benefits but not with risk and return. Like they always do and then they're shocked if people are fed up with this BS. Bullying people and then asking why so angry?

简而言之，美国想要所有的好处，但不承担风险和回报。就像他们一直做的那样，然后当人们受够了这种胡说八道时，他们感到震惊。这就像欺负人然后问对方为什么这么生气？

@riceball4u172 Investigated 214, 112 lost their job, meaning no income to support their family, who would want to go thru that nightmare and always treated as a spy.

调查了214人，其中有112人失去了工作，这意味着没有收入来养家，谁愿意经历这种噩梦并总是被当作间谍对待？

@directxxxx71 China started to attract foreign scientists too, for example, Huawei's 5G technology was actually from a Turkish scientist, Erdal Arıkan (born 1958), who taught in an American university, Bilkent University.

中国也开始吸引外国科学家，例如，华为的5G技术实际上来自一位土耳其科学家Erdal Arıkan（生于1958年），他在美国比尔肯特大学任教。

@bearuehara6871 Asian countries if you are smart. Make the law of return a priority, allowing any of your descendants to return to your country. This will allow the flow of wealth and knowledge to flow back to your countries. There are a lot of Asians who would return to their motherland in a heartbeat. This would change the economy and talents you have in your country.

亚洲国家，如果你们聪明的话，你们应该把允许你们的任何后代回到你们的国家的回归法作为优先事项，这将使财富和知识回流到你们的国家。有很多亚洲人会毫不犹豫地回到他们的祖国，这将改变你们国家的经济和人才。

@tkw3864 There was this Chinese in the US who was watching movie in a cinema, when the attendant approached him and politely asked him to move to the back row. Reason? A viewer behind didn’t like to sit close to him. His name was Chin, who later left the US for China and became the founding scientist of China’s rocket program.

有一个在美国的中国人正在电影院看电影，服务员走近他，礼貌地要求他移到后排。原因何在？后面的观众不喜欢坐得离他太近。他的名字叫钱学森，后来他离开美国回到中国，成为了中国火箭计划的创始科学家。

@Simon-i6m Australia has a second class system as well I'm happy the China pushes back by sending it warships for maritime exercises around Australia in international waters in accordance with international law

澳大利亚也有二等制度，我很高兴中国通过派遣军舰在澳大利亚周围的国际水域进行海上演习来反击，这符合国际法。

@Mar1o-ox4ut256 It's not because you are smart and talented, in the end it is all about your race. The west always think of themselves as a superior race and it will be hard to change their minds and egos.

这不是因为你聪明和有才华，最终一切都与你的种族有关。西方总是认为自己是优越的种族，你很难改变他们的想法和自尊心。

@MohammadBinAhmedSiddique It's simple: 1. China is not like other countries that have hardly improved, like the four Asian tigers, it improved tremendously where their cities is as developed as western cities. 2.Discrimination and xenophobia will exist at some shape or form regardless how much you work hard and dedicate your life,(basically all immigrants such as indian, Africans, Muslims etc) but covid-19, rise of China and policies such as how Asian are more likely barrier from entering top uni due to their high performance (both supported by left and right) has exageratted it to this point where their contribution is hardly recognised, discredited or even stolen by someone that is white/aligned with US interest. Chinese immigrants has no more reason to stay unless they really like western values such as LGBT rights, women rights and democracy.(all of them are quite super in quality in the US compare what you see in Nordic countries). 3.Internet has also exaggerated the issues, where vocals of xenophobia and CN nationalism is far more prominent than ever with recent ban of tiktok and adoption of red note that showed life of CN citizen they desire to have

很简单：1. 中国不像其他几乎没有改善的国家（比如四小龙），它取得了巨大的进步，其城市与西方城市一样发达。2. 无论你多么努力工作并奉献一生，歧视和仇外心理都会以某种形式存在（基本上所有移民，如印度人、非洲人、穆斯林等），但新冠疫情、中国的崛起以及政策，如亚洲人由于表现优异而更有可能被阻止进入顶尖大学（左右两派都支持），已经夸大了这一点，以至于他们的贡献几乎不被认可，甚至被白人/与美国利益一致的人抹黑或窃取。中国移民没有理由留下来，除非他们真的喜欢西方的价值观，如LGBT权利、妇女权利和民主（与北欧国家相比，这些在美国的质量都相当高）。3. 互联网也夸大了这些问题，随着最近对TikTok的禁令和采用小红书，展示了他们渴望的中国公民的生活，仇外心理和中国民族主义的声音比以往任何时候都更加突出。

@AleEx3001 I don't think there's going to be much LGBT rights or Women's rights with Trump or anyone from his party in power

我认为在特朗普或他党派的任何人执政时，不会有太多的LGBT权利或妇女权利。

@josephwu3136 Mean while Indian students leave India for America and never look back

与此同时，印度学生离开印度去美国且从不回头。 @雪花冰玉-xuehuabingyu

It will be a strange thing if they return.

如果他们回去，那将是一件奇怪的事情。

@firstlast-pt5pp the positions are highly sought after - a lot of non-Chinese/color people are using the "race card" to fill the positions (think jews in 1930s germany) - note that Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore and mainland China are attracting talents not just "Chinese" talents

这些职位非常抢手——许多非华人/有色人种正在使用“种族牌”来填补这些职位（想想1930年代德国的犹太人）——请注意，香港（特区）、澳门、新加坡和中国大陆正在吸引人才，而不仅仅是“华人”人才。

@ShitSkinsIndian Sam Altman: Indian AI is hopeless (2023) Indians: "Challenge accepted" (2023) India: India in Paris AI summit 2025 - Please help us make AI. Truly spineless.

Sam Altman（OPENAI的CEO）：印度的人工智能没有希望（2023年），印度人：“接受挑战”（2023年），印度：2025年巴黎人工智能峰会上的印度——请帮助我们制造人工智能。他们真是没有骨气。

@POVShotgun They would’ve been fine being discriminated against but now it’s clear that the US is falling

他们本可以忍受歧视，但现在很明显美国正在衰落。

@ielee1765 I don't know what is the problem. This is what every country invest in million sending their people oversea to study, doing R&D, and then return home especially when the country you are helping accuse you of espanage. If you don't want these experts , they go home, what is the problem.

我不知道问题出在哪里。每个国家都投入数百万资金送人到海外学习、进行研发，然后回国，尤其是当你帮助的国家指控你从事间谍活动时。如果你不想要这些专家，他们就会回家，这有什么问题？

@bchalcyonhalcyon3730 I remember 15yrs ago walked into the hospital lab corridor, all the names on the doors were either Indian or Chinese. Finding an American name doing boring lab research is luck. It’s also the monotonous job that Americans don’t want, they want to be in sports or entertainment. Regular Americans won’t feel what a brain drained is, wait for two more decades & the populist elections, they’ll be like Latin America.

我记得15年前走进医院实验室的走廊，门上的名字要么是印度人，要么是中国人，找到一个做枯燥实验室研究的美国人的名字是一种幸运。这是因为美国人不想要的单调的工作，他们想从事体育或娱乐。普通美国人不会感受到什么是人才流失，再等二十年和民粹主义选举，他们会像拉丁美洲一样。

@UnitedAsia More Chinese scientist and engineers should return to China to help China develop high tech industries

更多的中国科学家和工程师应该回到中国，帮助中国发展高科技产业。

@Jeff-sm8of Not only the Chinese from Yankee land. But also from Canada UK EU Australia nz. All Chinese from these countries returning to China.

不仅是从美国来的中国人，还有从加拿大、英国、欧盟、澳大利亚、新西兰来的中国人，所有这些国家的中国人都在返回中国。

@ShitSkinsIndian I used to hear Indians say, "if China can do it, India can do it too, and better". However, what they say simply do not reflect the true reality, that, not one single Indian CEOs or the Indian techies or the tech gurus of Indian ancestry could develop a simple app to compete with the Chinese Tiktok or Chinese DeepSeek AI. Looks like the technological gap between India and China is just like the Olympic Gold Medal gap between India and China all over again, zero against 40 or 40+ if you include all of its territories.

我曾经听到印度人说，“如果中国能做到，印度也能做到，而且呢个做得更好”。然而，他们所说的并不反映真实的情况，没有一个印度CEO或印度的技术人员或印度裔技术专家能开发出一个简单的应用程序来与中国的TikTok或中国的DeepSeek AI竞争。看起来印度和中国之间的技术差距就像印度和中国之间的奥运金牌差距一样，零对40或40+（如果你包括所有领土的话）。

@texasrefugee7888 I worked in u.s healthcare with every flavor and culture of MD there is. I was most impressed with the Chinese physicians. One I worked with could just look at someone and diagnose them

我在美国医疗保健行业工作，接触过各种背景和文化的医生。我对中国医生印象最深，我合作过的一位医生只需看一眼就能诊断出病情。

@AIPretendingToBeHuman TLDR The 2024 Nature Index World Research Leaders: China USA Germany UK Japan France Canada South Korea India 10.Switzerland Institution Ranking (7 of the top 10 are Chinese) Chinese Academy of Sciences, China Harvard, USA Max plank Society, Germany University of Chinese Academy of Sciences, China University of Science and Technology, China Peking University, China French National Center for Scientific Research, France Nanjing University, China Zhejiang University, China Tsinghua University, China

2024年自然指数 世界研究领导者： 中国 美国 德国 英国 日本 法国 加拿大 韩国 印度 瑞士 机构排名（前十名中有七个是中国机构） 中国科学院，中国 哈佛大学，美国 马克斯·普朗克学会，德国 中国科学院大学，中国 中国科学技术大学，中国 北京大学，中国 法国国家科学研究中心，法国 南京大学，中国 浙江大学，中国 清华大学，中国

@meeveebee I hope Chinese scientists return to their country to help China become THE powerhouse for scientific, technological, space, medical and bio-tech developments.

我希望中国科学家回到他们的国家，帮助中国成为科学、技术、太空、医疗和生物技术发展的强国。

@DonElton The Chinse government should create robust incentives to attract all diaspora based Chinese scientists.

中国政府应该创造强有力的激励措施，吸引所有海外华人科学家。

@coolinspirefunnybook1289 smart people always chose place where they think their talent are appreciate not just in money value but also in appreciation. at the past USA consider right place for skill and talent appreciation where usa government dont care where u came from as long u got talent.but now its different story,where China government start to understand how to embrace and appreciate Chinese talents and they create similar environment like in USA for Chinese talents where they can realized their dream and be rich from it,and since then of course smart Chinese become interesting to return to hometown,and of course this thing need to maintain by Chinese government.

聪明人总是选择他们认为自己的才能被欣赏的地方，不仅在金钱价值上，而且在欣赏上。过去美国被认为是技能和才能被欣赏的正确的地方，美国政府不在乎你来自哪里，只要你有才能。但现在情况不同了，中国政府开始理解如何拥抱和欣赏华裔人才，他们为华裔人才创造了类似美国的环境，让他们可以实现梦想并从中致富。从那时起，聪明的华裔人才当然对回到家乡感兴趣，当然，这件事需要中国政府来维持。

@ShitSkinsIndian Why was Chinese scientist named, "Qian Xuesen", handpicked and sexted to participate in the "Manhattan Project" but not Indian scientists even though they have closer ties to the West due to the British Raj? IQ matters

为什么中国科学家钱学森被挑选并选中参与“曼哈顿计划”，而印度科学家却没有，尽管他们由于英国统治与西方有更紧密的联系？智商很重要。

@ShitSkinsIndian Indians and India do not have any AI companies, AI products, AI services that are worth mentioning but you see them bragging all day 24/7. That is the difference between Indian ceos/techies/tech gurus/IT experts versus Chinese ceos/techies/tech gurus/IT experts. Chinese believe that their achievements speak louder than words whereas Indians believe that their words speak louder than their achievements (if any). And that is why, although Indian ceos/techies/tech gurus/IT experts were scxted to be very intelligent and capable on the internet, but in the real world/reality, none of them could not make any app to compete with the Chinese TikTok or the China's DeepSeek AI. Overpaid and over-hyped and over-rated.

印度人和印度没有任何值得一提的AI公司、AI产品、AI服务，但你看到他们整天24/7吹嘘。这就是印度CEO/技术人员/技术专家/IT专家与中国CEO/技术人员/技术专家/IT专家的区别。中国人相信他们的成就比言语更有说服力，而印度人相信他们的言语比他们的成就（如果有的话）更有说服力。这就是为什么尽管印度CEO/技术人员/技术专家/IT专家在互联网上被描绘得非常聪明和有能力，但在现实世界中，他们中没有一个人能开发出任何应用程序来与中国的TikTok或中国的DeepSeek AI竞争的原因。他们只有高薪、过度炒作和过度评价。

@jasonyau326 As a Chinese Canadian, I get a front row seat to witness the implosion of the research community in the USA thanks in no smsll part to Trump

作为一名加拿大华人，我亲眼目睹了美国研究界的崩溃，这在很大程度上要归功于特朗普。

@wewave23 Look at the Chinese scientists, they are not that eloquent in speaking, unlike the indians, like Vivek Ramaswamy. But these Chinese are ultra intelligent and they quietly make America great. While Vivek turns out to be nothing more than a rapid motor mouth dud.

看看中国科学家，他们不像印度人（比如Vivek Ramaswamy）那样能言善辩，但这些中国人非常聪明，他们默默地让美国变得伟大，而Vivek只不过是一个喋喋不休的废物。

@JR-zw2vb Chinese phd in physics reapplied to US school as a college student, slowly gains trust and became an research assistant to professors; extracts all sensitive research and data esp. in the areas of defense and national interests, then returns back home. Typical case.

中国物理学博士重新申请美国学校作为大学生，逐渐获得信任并成为教授的研究助理；提取所有敏感的研究和数据，特别是在国防和国家利益领域，然后返回家乡。这是典型的案例。

@KC-io2rg This is awful. These scientists have to abide by a higher standards than their counterparts simply because they are Chinese. The saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same" apply to the US as well despite all the progresses that are being claimed.

这太糟糕了。这些科学家仅仅因为他们是中国人就必须遵守比同行更高的标准。尽管声称取得了所有进展，但“变化越多，保持不变的东西也越多”这句话也适用于美国。

@hybridPeople358 If you can work and live in your country please stay there. Don't waste your time going to other countries where you are treated as a second glass citizen.

如果你能在自己的国家工作和生活，请留在那里。不要浪费时间去其他国家，在那里你被视为二等公民。

@jorad4887 These top experts were going to leave elsewhere in my opinion because money and endless funding pulls them away from institutions to institutions, back in 2002 Phillips petroleum company got the best top resesrchers from all over the country from Africa and China, it was the money that influence theur decision to leave their homeland now it's the other way around, all too European, African and Chinese (in USA) are all moving to China for the money, bonuses and endless funding

在我看来，这些顶尖专家会离开其他地方，因为金钱和无尽的资金会将他们从一个机构拉到另一个机构。早在2002年，菲利普斯石油公司就从非洲和中国各地招募了最顶尖的研究人员，是金钱影响了他们离开家乡的决定，现在情况反过来了，所有的欧洲人、非洲人和中国人（在美国）都为了金钱、奖金和无尽的资金而搬到中国。

@kawings Reminds me of various stories on Chinese historical classics during the spring autumn period where successive China warring states actively recruiting talents from neighbouring states to serve into the dynasty administration.

这让我想起了春秋时期中国历史经典中的各种故事，当时中国各个战国积极从邻国招募人才，为王朝行政服务。

@NathanMarchack History is not over. In the 2000s firms from Korea, Japan, various European countries and the US competed fiercely in high tech industries. Now in the 2020s we see this competition has narrowed to the US and China. Take headlines like "95% of Chinese EV companies are failing!" Well, the flipside is the ones that survived are now undisputedly the best in the world. The government made a clear decision that further economic growth would come from high-quality, high-technology industries and not real estate. To do that you need science and engineering graduates.

历史还没有结束。在2000年代，来自韩国、日本、各个欧洲国家和美国的公司在高科技产业中激烈竞争。现在在2020年代，我们看到这种竞争已经缩小到美国和中国。看看像“95%的中国电动汽车公司正在失败！”这样的头条新闻。好吧，另一面是那些幸存下来的公司现在是世界上无可争议的最好的公司。政府明确决定进一步的经济增长将来自高质量、高科技产业而不是房地产。要做到这一点，你需要科学和工程毕业生。

@JorvsUchiha hard part why don't they try getting more scientist not on China? of course they will go home back to China they should try invest on other countries that has no conflict with there interest but really hard cause Chinese are really smart

困难的部分是他们为什么不尝试招募更多不在中国的科学家？当然，他们会回到中国。 他们应该尝试投资于与他们的利益没有冲突的其他国家。 但这真的很难，因为中国人真的很聪明。

@simonMao5263 It does not matter any more longer, since many funding of NIH or NSF are also freezing. So whether you are ethnic Chinese or not, there are less funding doing research in US college or institution now.

这不再重要了，因为NIH或NSF的许多资金也在被冻结。所以无论你是不是华裔，现在在美国大学或机构做研究的资金都更少了。

@azorac7188 One of the dude work in the local electricity company got caught for "leaking important information to Chinese organizations", they charged him $260k and simply let him go once he payed up... Utterly outrageous

一个在当地电力公司工作的家伙因为“向中国组织泄露重要信息”而被抓，他们向他收取了26万美元，一旦他付了钱就放了他…… 这完全令人发指。

@ShitSkinsIndian India and Indians, after insulting China's products/services and calling them "cheap" or "tofu" or "tofu dreg", adopted DeepSeek AI, which proves that they are sp in eless Explain "Ashwini Vaishnaw: DeepSeek Soon On Indian IT Servers "?

印度和印度人在侮辱中国的产品/服务并称其为“廉价”或“豆腐”或“豆腐渣”之后，采用了DeepSeek AI，这证明他们是无能的。解释一下“Ashwini Vaishnaw: DeepSeek即将登陆印度 IT 服务器”？

@pleiadesstarr453 Any scientific break through is deem as national security threat. Being too smart is deem as a threat. Better re-think and go where you can help humanity with your knowledge.

任何科学突破都被视为国家安全威胁，太聪明被视为威胁，所以最好重新思考，去一个你可以用你的知识帮助人类的地方。