中国传统燃油汽车出口正在占领世界！中国制造不再是“便宜货”代名词！正从价值链底端攀升！

@precipice65
China made the world realize they have been overpaying for tonnes of stuff.

中国让全世界意识到，过去在无数商品上都花冤枉钱了。

@GoodBaleadaMusic
Put this in your ChatGTClaudeGemini ¨Engineered Underdevelopment/Walter Rodney in the context of the settler colonial economic system and what that has to do with Chinas Great Humiliation and Africa and the rest of the world.¨ and learn more about history economics and and the future than any Ivy league school will ever teach you.

把这段话输入到你的ChatGT/Claude/Gemini里：“在定居者殖民经济体系背景下的‘人为造成的欠发达’/沃尔特·罗德尼，以及这与中国百年国耻、非洲及世界其他地区的关系。” 你学到的历史、经济和未来知识将比任何常春藤盟校教给你的都要多。

@zulkanainbaharuddin2185
@GoodBaleadaMusic yes he is right. The west over price & unreliable cars are use to pay billion to it's CEO & management, shareholders & corperate. While China money goes to it's government & back to it's people for better infrastructures.

@GoodBaleadaMusic 是的，他说得对。西方那些价格虚高且不可靠的汽车，赚的钱被用来给首席执行官、管理层、股东和企业发放数十亿的酬劳。而中国的钱流向了政府，并回馈给人民以建设更好的基础设施。

@whitebelt2905

@GoodBaleadaMusic thank you for sharing! I had no idea. Do you have anymore gems of knowledge? @GoodBaleadaMusic 感谢分享！我以前完全不知道。你还有类似的知识宝藏吗？

@vincentchen9454

Yeah, especially western nations where they charge as much moneh as they can from their customers. 是的，尤其是西方国家，他们尽可能多地从客户身上榨取金钱。

@Clervaux-lee
In Western economic systems, brand narratives and symbolic meaning account for a disproportionately large share of perceived value, with consumers often paying premiums for storytelling, identity, and emotional resonance. By contrast, the Chinese market places greater emphasis on practical utility and functional return; even high-priced products are expected to justify their cost through enhanced features, performance, and clearly tangible use value. This divergence reflects a fundamental difference in consumer philosophy and economic logic, rather than an ideological divide.

在西方经济体系中，品牌叙事和象征意义在认知价值中占了过大的比重，消费者经常为故事性、身份感和情感共鸣支付溢价。相比之下，中国市场更强调实用性和功能回报；即使是高价产品，也被要求通过增强的功能、性能和清晰可见的使用价值来证明其价格的合理性。这种差异反映了消费哲学和经济逻辑的根本不同，而非意识形态的分歧。

@ccun3790
The distribution of residue value is the core that was never not understood.

剩余价值的分配才是核心，这一点从未被误解。

@DR_1_1
It's mostly that costs are much lower in China (for now), you just couldn't produce at these prices in Europe or North America, even without profit.

主要是因为中国的成本目前要低得多，在欧洲或北美，即使不计利润，你也无法以这样的价格生产。

@ruben_balea
In Spain between 2006 and 2013 Alfa Romeo, Audi, BMW, Chevrolet, Chrysler, Citroën, Fiat, Honda, Hyundai, Jeep, Kia, Lancia, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Opel, Peugeot, Porsche, SEAT, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo colluded to artificially inflate car prices. I haven't investigated it, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did the same in every other country.

在西班牙，2006年至2013年间，阿尔法·罗密欧、奥迪、宝马、雪佛兰、克莱斯勒、雪铁龙、菲亚特、本田、现代、吉普、起亚、蓝旗亚、马自达、梅赛德斯-奔驰、日产、欧宝、标致、保时捷、西雅特、丰田、大众和沃尔沃曾串通一气人为抬高车价。我还没调查过，但如果他们在其他每个国家也这样做，我一点也不意外。

@Bill1516
C made the world realize that transferring manufacturing jobs to C will result in failing economies and economic slavery.

C让世界意识到，将制造业工作岗位转移到C会导致经济衰败和经济奴役。

@SamZ127
@Bill1516 In fact, if you are a wealthy American, you should thank China for the shift of manufacturing. It's "Made in China" that saved costs, allowing the wealthy in America to focus on making easy money in the most profitable parts of the supply chain.

@Bill1516 事实上，如果你是一个富有的美国人，你应该感谢中国承接了制造业的转移。正是“中国制造”节省了成本，让美国的富人能够专注于在供应链利润最高的部分赚快钱。

If you are a poor American, you should be even more grateful to "Made in China." It's "Made in China" that allows you to obtain a variety of decent goods at low prices, giving your salary enough purchasing power to support your family.

如果你是一个贫穷的美国人，你更应该感激“中国制造”。正是“中国制造”让你能以低廉的价格获得各种体面的商品，让你那点工资有足够的购买力来养家糊口。

If you are an American politician, you should thank "Made in China" for helping to control inflation, and for China's large-scale purchase of US Treasury bonds in 2008, which helped the US weather a major crisis.

如果你是美国政客，你应该感谢“中国制造”帮助控制了通货膨胀，并感谢中国在2008年大规模购买美国国债，帮助美国度过了一场重大危机。

What truly caused America to lose its manufacturing sector were the capitalists on Wall Street. It's just that the media controlled by these capitalists have brainwashed you all; you're truly a pathetic bunch.

真正导致美国失去制造业的是华尔街的资本家。只是这些资本家控制的媒体给你们洗了脑；你们真是一群可怜虫。

@Bill1516
@SamZ127 - "What truly caused America to lose its manufacturing sector were the capitalists on Wall Street" Exactly why the US elected Trump - to reverse it now before the US is hollowed out past recovery - which is why China isn't selling EVs in the US.

@SamZ127 —— “真正导致美国失去制造业的是华尔街的资本家”。这正是美国选出特朗普的原因——在进入无法挽回的空心化之前扭转局面——这也是中国目前不在美国销售电动汽车的原因。

@FrankiePo89
@Bill1516 Have you read the reply from SamZ127? Make sure you comprehend his reply ok? It's good for you.

@Bill1516 你读了SamZ127的回复了吗？确保你理解了他的回复好吗？这对你有好处。

@SeanLumly
China hasn't just won, their momentum suggests total domination. And now China has its toe in the Canadian market.

中国不仅赢了，他们的势头还暗示着全面的主导。现在中国已经开始涉足加拿大市场了。

@antwango
LOL ALL done and dusted within what seems like 2 - 3 years!! From nothing to EVERYTHING! Its crazy!

哈哈，似乎在两三年内一切就尘埃落定了！！从一无所有到应有尽有！太疯狂了！

@078percent4
@antwango Competition within China is fierce, with over 200 car brands. Those that can export are winners in the Chinese market (but many people outside China are unaware of them). Their cars are highly competitive in any country, allowing them to quickly cover the global market. You might think these are new brands that have only been around for 2-3 years, but in reality, they have been developing and competing in China for 10-20 years or more.

@antwango 中国国内的竞争非常激烈，拥有超过200个汽车品牌。那些能够出口的都是中国市场的佼佼者（但中国以外的许多人并不了解这一点）。他们的车在任何国家都极具竞争力，这让他们能够迅速占领全球市场。你可能觉得这些是只出现了2-3年的新品牌，但实际上，他们在中国已经发展和竞争了10到20年甚至更久。

@davidlazarus67
How long do you think it will take Chinese brands to dominate the fleet market? Less than 5 years is my guess.

你认为中国品牌需要多久能主导车队（大宗采购）市场？我猜用不到5年。

@cruzn4ever169

@davidlazarus67 I give it Less than a year, Americans are waking up to the cost, reliability, on All products "Made in China" @davidlazarus67 我觉得不到一年。美国人正在意识到所有“中国制造”产品的成本优势和可靠性。
@艺文陈-y2b

@cruzn4ever169 The reliability of Chinese cars is actually very good. There's a program in China that tests the reliability of cars after 100,000 kilometers of use. Currently, the xiaomi SU7 is in first place; it didn't experience any malfunctions after 100,000 kilometers of use. The last place is currently held by the Tesla Model 3.

@cruzn4ever169 中国车的可靠性实际上非常好，在中国有一个节目，测试10万公里使用后汽车的可靠性，目前第一名是小米su7，他在10万公里使用后没有发生任何故障，目前的最后一名是特斯拉model 3。

@richardrestall8592
@davidlazarus67 The fleet market has been the one steady income source for American brands over the past 5 years; they will fight, and the unxs who make these vehicles will fight, and politics will get ugly. I expect it might take longer than 5 years, which is one election cycle. I don't know who makes utility/service vehicles in China, but I expect all kinds of nonsense in the certification process.

@davidlazarus67 车队市场一直是过去五年美国品牌稳定的收入来源；他们会奋力争取，生产这些车辆的工会也会奋力争取，政治斗争将会变得丑陋。我预计这可能需要超过五年时间，也就是一个选举周期。我不知道中国有哪些生产公用/服务车辆的厂商，但我预计在认证过程中会出现各种乱象。
@艺文陈-y2b

@davidlazarus67 What you can currently experience in China is that Chinese cars are already generations ahead of Western cars. I bought a Lincoln in the first half of 2023, and in the second half of that year, I realized my car was outdated.

@davidlazarus67 目前在中国可以体会到的是，中国车已经对西方汽车形成了代差，我在2023年上半年购买了一辆林肯汽车，在这一年的下半年，我发现我的车落伍了

@davidlazarus67

@艺文陈-y2b Yes that’s what I am seeing from Europe. I was aware that the Chinese people prefer the features of Chinese vehicles. With such a competitive domestic market they have to come out with new features to wow the public. Chinese brands here are wowing the European public and sales are up rapidly across the continent. Whereas western brands are falling in sales.
@艺文陈-y2b 是的，我在欧洲也看到了这一点。我知道中国消费者更喜欢中国车的功能。在竞争如此激烈的国内市场，他们必须推出新功能来吸引公众。这里的中国品牌也让欧洲公众感到惊艳，整个大陆的销量都在迅速增长，而西方品牌的销量正在下降。

@艺文陈-y2b

@davidlazarus67 Chinese people used to really like VW and Toyota cars, but now the product gap is just too big. Western cars seem to have low comfort features, poor smart technology, and are far behind in battery technology, making them not a good choice . One more thing, the Lincoln dealership where I bought my car is now a BYD dealership. Lincoln has closed down in my city.

@davidlazarus67 中国人曾经很喜欢VW和丰田汽车，但目前产品差距实在太大，西方汽车看起来舒适性配置低，智能化差，在电池技术方面很落后，没法作为好的选择，另外补充一点，我买车的林肯汽车店铺现在变成了BYD，林肯在我的城市倒闭了

@davidlazarus67

@艺文陈-y2b Yes I have been hearing of struggling VW sales in China for the exact reasons you mentioned.
@艺文陈-y2b 是的，我一直听说大众汽车在中国由于你提到的这些原因而销量惨淡。

@fredtan1506
WESTERNERS KEEP CRITICIZING PRODUCTS MADE IN China, BUT YET, THEY KEEP BUYING THEM.

西方人不断批评中国制造的产品，但他们却不停地购买。

@davidlazarus67
@fredtan1506 It’s the western companies that set the specifications so low that are the fault. The Chinese manufacturers are only building to a price set by the western retailers.

@fredtan1506 错在那些把规格定得极低的西方公司。中国制造商只是根据西方零售商设定的价格进行生产。

@MarkoOrwellius
@davidlazarus67 Exactly. And all the loud mouth yanks, conveniently dont mention that.

@davidlazarus67 没错。而且所有那些夸夸其谈的美国人，都刻意避而不谈这一点。

@Dutchthink28nmisAdvanced
@MarkoOrwellius I have seen a few polls where 80% of Americans were unwilling to pay more than 10% for American made over imported goods. That's an embarrassing figure. And pretty much shows Americans want cheap goods.

@MarkoOrwellius 我看过几次民意调查，80%的美国人不愿意为美国货支付比进口货高出10%以上的价格。这是一个令人尴尬的数字，充分说明美国人想要廉价商品。

@davidlazarus67
@mfcorp9608 It is not irrelevant. With Chinese car brands they are the ones determining what they want to sell and what to include. They are building their brand in those countries. Now while they have a dominant supply chain they are still able to undercut western brands at the same quality and specifications. That’s why they banned Huawei and ZTE from the US market. It would have exposed Apple as a laggard.

@mfcorp9608 这并非无关紧要。中国汽车品牌是自己决定要卖什么以及包含什么功能。他们正在这些国家建立自己的品牌。由于拥有主导性的供应链，他们在保持相同质量和规格的情况下，价格仍能低于西方品牌。这就是为什么他们在美国市场禁止华为和中兴的原因，因为这会暴露苹果已经落后了。

With goods that are ordered by Western retailers they build to a price set by the retailer. With Chinese brands the standards and prices are set by the Chinese brands. For example western car brands that operate from China have different ranges for the western markets and another for China. The Chinese versions are struggling to sell in China compared to the Chinese brands where the buyers wants features and gadgets. Even Tesla is regarded as bland in China, while in the USA it’s the leader, because they have no idea what else is out there.

对于西方零售商订购的商品，厂家是按零售商给的价格生产。而对于中国品牌，标准和价格是由中国品牌自己设定的。例如，在中国运营的西方汽车品牌，其西方市场和中国市场的产品系列是不同的。与追求功能和科技感的中国本土品牌相比，那些西方品牌的中国版在中国很难卖。即使是特斯拉在中国也被认为是单调乏味的，而在美国它却是领头羊，因为美国人根本不知道外面还有什么更好的选择。

@davidlazarus67
@Dutchthink28nmisAdvanced It’s more a symptom of the financial struggles of the vast majority of Americans. Nearly 70% are living paycheck to paycheck. That means little discretionary income for American products.

@Dutchthink28nmisAdvanced 这更多是绝大多数美国人财务拮据的现状。近70%的人过着“月光族”的生活。这意味着他们几乎没有多余的钱来购买（昂贵的）美国产品。

@davidlazarus67
@f @fredtan1506 I have realised that China has moved up the value chain and while its domestic brands were the first to challenge the big western brand, that’s now spreading across so many sectors. I watch a number of TV reviewers and I think it may be Chinese TV brands like Hisense and TCL that could be dominating TV markets. They are already dominating budget TV’s and this year they are becoming a threat to mid range TV’s. A few more years and even LG and Samsung will be chasing Chinese brands.

@f @fredtan1506 我意识到中国已经在价值链上不断攀升。虽然最初是中国本土品牌挑战西方大牌，但现在这种趋势正在蔓延到许多行业。我关注了一些电视评测员，我认为像海信和TCL这样的中国电视品牌可能会主导电视市场。它们已经在入门级电视市场占据主导地位，今年也开始对中端电视构成威胁。再过几年，甚至LG和三星也会追赶中国品牌。

@cruzn4ever169
@davidlazarus67 Yes, from USA - I recently purchased a Hisense upright freezer - and COULDN'T be happier - Excellent product ❤

@davidlazarus67 是的，我来自美国——我最近买了一个海信立式冷柜，不能更满意了——优秀的产品❤

@ZweiZwolf
@davidlazarus67 LG and Samsung have very mediocre quality, at this point, I would always buy Chinese over Korean. Samsung TVs have crazy bloatware and spyware, so they're off my list.

@davidlazarus67 LG和三星的质量很平庸。在目前这个阶段，我总是会选中国货而不是韩国货。三星电视有疯狂的捆绑软件和间谍软件，所以它已经不在我的清单上了。

@davidlazarus67
@ZweiZwolf LG did have a problem with AI being installed on TV’s and they had to back down. If the Chinese brands don’t follow the western bloatware then they could be my next TV.

@ZweiZwolf LG确实曾因在电视上强制安装AI功能而遇到问题，最后不得不让步。如果中国品牌不学西方这种捆绑软件的做法，那我的下一台电视可能会选中国的。

@ZweiZwolf
@davidlazarus67 Even without "AI" on TVs, constant surveillance, phone home and growing bloat with Samsung is just nonsense.

@davidlazarus67 即便没有电视上的“AI”，三星那种持续的监控、自动回传数据以及越来越多的垃圾软件也真是荒谬。

@marilyngoldie5946
As they did in before the 100% tariffs were put on by Canada, following on from the USA. 3% of market share. Not very much, but with a possible factory in the future.

正如他们在加拿大跟随美国征收100%关税之前所做的那样。当时有3%的市场份额。虽然不多，但未来可能会建立工厂。

@banksiasong
The US destroyed the Canadian market by applying the Trump Tariff on cars that were part of CUSMA. That’s 95,000 Canadian built cars a year gone! No auto industry left in Canada. Carney’s longer term plan would be to do some manufacturing of them in Canada, but that would be optimistic.

美国通过对《美墨加协定》（CUSMA）框架内的汽车征收特朗普关税，摧毁了加拿大市场。这导致每年减少了9.5万辆加拿大制造的汽车！加拿大已经没有汽车工业了。卡尼（Carney）的长远计划是在加拿大制造这些车，但这想法可能太乐观了。

@davidlazarus67
@banksiasong if Carney acts quickly and makes it safe for Chinese car brands to take over the old Canadian car plants to make ICE and EV vehicles then he could retain the domestic car manufacturing jobs.

@banksiasong 如果卡尼行动迅速，并确保中国汽车品牌能够安全地接管旧的加拿大汽车厂来生产燃油车和电动车，那么他就能保留住国内的汽车制造工作岗位。

@ZweiZwolf
China is BACK in the Canadian market. In 2023, China exported 43,000 cars to Canada. Next year, it'll be 49,000 cars out of 1.9 million, so a whopping 2.5% spread across maybe half-dozen brands.

中国重返加拿大市场。2023年，中国向加拿大出口了4.3万辆汽车。明年，在190万辆的总市场中将占据4.9万辆，大约2.5%的份额，分布在约六个品牌中。

@NormanMoffatt-t7k
China's manufacturing capacity is hard to comprehend, and I live here.

中国的制造能力难以想象，而我就住在这里。

@phils4634
We visit regularly, mainly for the amazing Canton Fair! Every time there is a vast slew of new, always affordable, products, and public services, especially transport, are now almost futuristic, with many cities having rolled out self-driving mini-bus systems, which can be booked via a WeChat module. Lots of affordable, yet feature-rich point-of-care medical devices (my field), and even more capability for less price every time we visit. Last time my Dell laptop had an HD issue, and I was able to get it fully upgraded to SSD (and the ageing screen replaced) for AU $150 - a tiny fraction of the repair cost in Australia, where I would have been looking at over $1000.

我们经常去中国，主要是为了参加了不起的广交会！每次去都有大量全新的、价格实惠的产品。公共服务，尤其是交通，现在几乎具有未来感，许多城市已经推出了可以通过微信小程序预订的自动驾驶小巴系统。还有许多价格亲民但功能丰富的即时检测医疗设备（我的领域），而且每次去都能看到性价比更高的产品。上次我的戴尔笔记本硬盘出了问题，我只花了150澳元就全面升级到了固态硬盘（还更换了老化的屏幕）——这只是澳大利亚维修费用的一小部分，在澳大利亚可能要花超过1000澳元。

@Bill1516
The problem is if it's just China doing the manufacturing the rest of the world loses out - if Germany were to lose say half of the 750k people directly making cars today it's economy would unravel and go into deep recession - the EU has sizable tariffs on Chinese cars today - if a couple more VW factories close down they will jack the tariffs up to keep the cars out. Another 100k lost jobs and they will riot in the streets.

问题在于，如果只有中国在搞制造，世界其他地方就会输掉。如果德国失去目前直接从事汽车制造的75万人口中的一半，其经济就会崩溃并陷入深度衰退。目前欧盟对中国汽车征收高额关税——如果再有几家大众工厂倒闭，他们会进一步提高关税把车挡在外面。再失去10万个工作岗位，人们就会上街暴动。

@Lancaster786
Well done China, whilst the Westerners over throw governments, create wars, pillage the counties and put there own people in place, notice the difference !!!

干得好中国，而西方人却在推翻政府、制造战争、掠夺国家并安插自己的人马，看看这区别！！！

@mfcorp9608
So basically what USA did while Britain was on top

所以这基本上就是当英国处于顶峰时，美国所做过的事。

@mirage2154
@mfcorp9608 , that may be true, but I'd like to remind you of the Song and the Ming dynasty, where we are the top GDP in the whole world and sailed, traded, and conducted diplomacy in Asia and middleeast(and through them the Europe), the whole world enjoyed what China has to offer, and there were no large regional conflict has occurred at time, let along world wide conflict. Asia and middleeast has mostly peaceful trade relations and conducted deplomacy amount ourself for a millenia before westrerner come. It was a painful mistake to make, not developing advanced weapons and ships for war and/or not knowing how barbaric a nation can be. But I hope we Asian wont repeat those mistakes.

@mfcorp9608，那或许是真的，但我还是想提醒你注意宋朝和明朝。那时我们的GDP世界第一，在亚洲和中东（并通过他们与欧洲）航行、贸易和外交，全世界都享受着中国的产品。当时没有发生过大规模的地区冲突，更不用说世界范围的冲突了。在西方人到来之前，亚洲和中东之间保持了上千年的和平贸易和外交关系。没能开发先进的武器和战舰，或者不知道一个国家可以野蛮到什么程度，是一个惨痛的错误。但我希望我们亚洲人不会再重复这些错误。

@Dutchthink28nmisAdvanced
@mirage2154 China has a very advanced military these days it's developing weapons at an unfathomable pace. Which these new innovations in many cases apply to civilian use. And more importantly the Chinese do not waste money and those weapons on war.

@mirage2154 如今中国拥有非常先进的军事力量，其研发武器的速度令人难以想象。而这些创新在许多情况下也应用到了民用领域。更重要的是，中国人不会把钱和这些武器浪费在战争上。