网友争论：越南文化和中国文化的渊源
In US-China Rivalry, Is Vietnam The Big Winner? | Insight | Full Episode
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越南曾是中国的一部分？农历新年越南发明的？越南网友的神逻辑....
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原视频为：中美竞争，越南是最大赢家？评论区里引申出文明大争论。
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nothing is permanent in politics, and we believe that our country Vietnam are trying to do our best to keep everything under control peace to every country
政治上没有什么是永恒的，我们相信我们的国家越南，正在尽最大努力让一切处于掌控之中，为每个国家带来和平。
I don't think Vietnam is like a com...st country as the media propaganda says they are more open and free than China. Vietnam is very interesting, how can they compete with 3 superpowers: America - China - Russia? It seems that history has proven that in Vietnam they only have one independent nationalism, not capitalism or Com...ism. Vietnam is a country that has experienced the most wars in the world and has been under a long-term embargo, but they have transformed strongly from a poor country into an emerging industrial country. it comes from hard work
我不认为越南像一个共产主义国家，因为媒体宣传说他们比中国更开放和自由。越南很有趣，他们是怎样做到与美中俄这三个超级大国竞争的？历史似乎已经证明，在越南他们有一种独立的民族主义，而不是资本主义或共产主义。越南是世界上经历战争最多的国家，长期处于禁运状态，但由于他们的努力工作，他们已经极大地从贫穷国家转型为一个新兴工业国家。
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祝福领袖人物們和您們的國民.平安健康快樂.安定祥和.謝謝大家.
Love VietNam from California
我爱越南，来自加利福尼亚！
The Philippines SHOULD follow or emulate Vietnams Foreign Policy of
FOUR NO's
1. No Military Alliances
2. No Siding With One Country Against Another
3. No Foreign Military Bases or using Vietnamese Territory to Oppose other countries
4. No Using Force or Threatening force In International Relations
A very INTELLIGENT FOREIGN POLICY indeed.
菲律宾应该遵循或效仿越南”四个不“的外交政策：
1、不军事结盟
2、不站在一个国家一边对抗另一个国家
3、不存在外国军事基地或利用越南领土对抗其他国家
4、在国际关系中不使用武力或武力威胁
这确实是一个非常明智的外交政策。
Phil can't , as it has a weak military , hence it can't be neutral and needs an allied. Vietnam can be neutral and stay neutral cause if anyone try to invade us they will have a good fight
菲律宾不行的，因为它的军事力量很弱，因此保持不了中立的，它需要盟友。越南可以保持中立，因为如果有人想入侵我们，他们会面临一场激烈的战争。
we already try it during duterte regime, what happen?
我们在杜特尔特时期已经试过了，发生了什么？
@chrysllerryu4171 During Duterte, Phillipine is on the side of china
@chrysllerryu4171 杜特尔特执政期间，菲律宾站在中国一边。
Philippines is different from Vietnam. In the past, both China and the United States had big trouble when invading Vietnam. Vietnam also has close relations with Russia and India
菲律宾与越南不同。过去，中国和美国在”入侵“越南时都遇到过很大的麻烦。越南还与俄罗斯和印度关系密切。
Vietnamese fought against the French for 80 years, the US for 18 years, the Japanese for 5 years, the Mongols for 5 years (3 invasions) , and Chinese for around 2200 years.
越南与法国作战了80年，与美国作战了18年，与日本作战了5年，与蒙古作战了5年（3次入侵），与中国作战了大约2200年。
Vietnam was part of China; you inherited the civilisation from China as well.
越南曾经是中国的一部分：你们也继承了来自中国的文明。
@pipiqiqi4010 Very dumb statement without fact!
@pipiqiqi4010 楼上，这是非常愚蠢的说法，毫无事实依据！
@pipiqiqi4010 The reverse of what you said is true.
@pipiqiqi4010 你说的恰恰相反。
@AhmetTekin101 that's the truth. look your pervious character and culture which is the heritage from China.
@AhmetTekin101 这是事实。看看你们之前的文字和文化，这是继承自中国的。
@pipiqiqi4010 Qin empire conquered Vietnamese tribals then after Qin, all Chinese empires from Han to Ming did consider Vietnam as part of China and tried to rule or re-conquer Vietnam, but Vietnamese never think their land is part of China at all. With your logic, China is part of Mongolia and USA is part of UK lM. Learn your history please.
@pipiqiqi4010 秦帝国征服了越南部落，但在秦之后，从汉到明的所有中国帝国，都将越南视为中国的一部分，并试图统治或者重新征服越南，但越南人根本不认为他们的土地是中国的一部分。按照你的逻辑，中国是蒙古的一部分，美国是英国的一部分。请学点历史吧。
@pipiqiqi4010 The Chinese characters were invented by Vietnamese.
@pipiqiqi4010 汉字是越南人发明的。
@AhmetTekin101 haha, that's really ridiculous. but Vietnamese as the inventors can't recognise the Chinese characters.
@AhmetTekin101 哈哈，这真的很荒谬。但作为发明者的越南人却不认识汉字。
@pipiqiqi4010 Most Chinese Hans carry Vietnamese DNA. The reverse is not true.
@pipiqiqi4010 大多数中国汉人都带有越南DNA，反之则不然。
@AhmetTekin101 You said right, the Han Chinese always act like superior. The south land of China was occupied first by Vietnamese, so basically Vietnamese are accessors of South Han Chinese. How's ironic that Han Chinese will deny it and claim everything as theirs own.
@AhmetTekin101 你说得对，汉人总是表现得像更优越似的。中国南方的土地，首先是被越南人占领的，所以越南人基本上是南方汉人的祖先。讽刺的是，汉人否认这一点并声称一切都是他们自己的。
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@lukhach92 there was a kingdom named Yue (similiar pronuce with the viet) in China 2400-2700 years ago. and people called the land in the south of this kingdom south Yue, which include the north part of the current Vietnam. even in the Tang dynasty (1300 years ago), the governor of the north part of Vietnam was assigned by the Chinese central government in Changan (the ancient capital of China).
so, it is right that I said Vietnam was part of China.
@lukhach92 2400—2700年前，中国有一个名叫越国（与viet发音相似）的国家。人们称该国南部的土地为南越，（南越的范围）包括现在越南的北部地区。即使在1300年前的唐朝，越南北部的管辖者也是由（中国古都）长安的中央政府委派的。
所以，我说越南曾经是中国的一部分，这是对的。
@vanchien5874 You are correct. Even the "Chinese New Year" was invented by the Thai and Vietnamese.
@vanchien5874 你说得对。就连“中国新年”也是泰国人和越南人发明的。
@AhmetTekin101 so you agree that Vietnamese has same DNA with the Chinese Hans?
@AhmetTekin101 所以你同意越南人和中国汉人有相同的DNA？
@andynq5225 how do you know your ancestors had never considered themselves as part of China?
In Tang dynasty, there was a famous poet named Wang Bo, whose father was county magistrate in Vietnam. if Vietnam had never been part of China, why a Chinese can be assigned to the county leader in Vietnam 1300 years ago?
@andynq522 5你怎么知道你们祖先从不认为自己是中国的一部分？
唐代有一位著名诗人，名叫王勃，他的父亲是越南的县令。如果越南从未成为中国的一部分，为什么1300年前的越南县令可以由中国人担任？
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As Vietnamese, we are all afraid of death and poverty caused by wars, but we are even more afraid of when the country is occupied by foreign troops, the country is divided, the people were enslaved and the country became a colony controlled by foreign powers. We would rather die than be slaves. In thousands of years of wars with China or other empires, the Vietnamese people may die but are never subdued.
作为越南人，我们都害怕战争造成的死亡和贫困，但我们更害怕国家被外国军队占领，国家分裂，人民被奴役，国家成为外国列强控制的殖民地 。 我们宁愿死也不愿做奴隶。 在与中国或其他帝国的数千年战争中，越南人民可能会死，但永远不会屈服。
@AhmetTekin101 Vietnam was established by Chinese and the name of country was given by Chinese emperor.
@AhmetTekin101 越南是中国人建立的，国名是中国皇帝给的。
@AhmetTekin101 the Chinese new year was created based on 24 solar term. But Vietnam is in tropical area, how can you guys invented 24 solar term? lol, you guys never saw snow…..
@AhmetTekin101 中国新年是根据二十四节气创建的，但越南地处热带，你们怎么能发明24节气呢？ 哈，你们都没见过雪……
@AhmetTekin101 you US dad’s Wikipedia says “The Lunar Year holiday was originally brought to Vietnam by the Chinese, who had formally incorporated Vietnam into their Han Dynasty empire in 111 BCE and mostly had ruled it for over 1000 years until the collapse of the Tang Dynasty in the 10 th century.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%E1%BA%BFt?wprov=sfti1#
@AhmetTekin101 你美国爸爸的维基百科说“农历新年最初是由中国人带到越南的，（中国）在公元前111年正式将越南纳入他们的汉帝国，并统治了它1000多年，直到十世纪唐朝崩溃。”
Query "Forbidden city in Beijing built by Vietnamese reported by worldpress"
查一下，世界媒体报道的北京故宫由越南人建造（的报道）。
【注：明朝时期主持修建故宫的宦官阮安，交趾人。明永乐初年，英国公张辅以交趾童美秀者，带回京城，选为阉童，其中就包括阮安。】
@AhmetTekin101 because Vietnam labor is cheap….lol
@AhmetTekin101 因为越南劳动力便宜......哈哈...
@pipiqiqi4010 not weird at all, but if we’re going to reference all the ancient time. Don’t leave any part of it out. Unless you have confirmation bias then that’s a different story.
Nanyue also known as Vietnam, ruled southern China from 204 BC - 111 BC. This is the time with 18 kingdoms and China was not all unified. If we make historical like China did, then technically South China rightfully belongs to Vietnam.
But, I think making any ancient historical claim is stupid, and a lot of things has changed socially and culturally.
@pipiqiqi4010 一点也不奇怪，但如果我们要引用所有古代（历史）时期，那就不要遗漏其中的任何时期， 除非你有”确认偏见“，那就是另一回事了。
南越国，又称越南，从公元前204年至公元前111年统治中国南部。 当时有十八个王国，中国尚未统一。 如果我们像中国那样创造历史，那么从技术上讲，华南地区理应属于越南。
但是，我认为，提出任何古老的历史主张都是愚蠢的，而且很多事情在社会和文化上都发生了变化。
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@Byteable you are wrong, Nanyue is not Vietnam, even no relationship with Vietnam. there was a kingdom named Yue in east of China around 400BC, and people call the south part of Yue as NanYue (Nan means south), it is part of China. Maybe people even don't ware of the existence of Vietnam at that time.
@Byteable 你错了，南越不是越南，甚至与越南都没有任何关系。公元前400年左右，中国东部有一个越国，人们称越国南部为南越，这是中国的一部分。也许当时人们甚至不知道越南的存在。
@pipiqiqi4010 Indeed, but even before that Vietnam was Vietnam. It simply went through a period of being occupied, not that they were originally part of China
@pipiqiqi4010 确实如此，但在那之前越南就是越南，它只是经历了一段被占领时期，并不是说它们本来就是中国的一部分。
@vungocmanhcuong4511 the modern territory of China is inherited from the territory of Qing dynasty. which doesn't include the Vietnam, and nowadays we don't want Vietnam either.
@vungocmanhcuong4511 中国现代领土是从清朝领土继承的，其中不包括越南，现在我们也不想要越南。
@pipiqiqi4010 if you read history books published outside of China, you will find that the Vietnamese used to settle from south of the Yangtze river to the east coast and the northern part of Vietnam thousands of years ago. So technically, the southern part of China is part of Vietnam.
@pipiqiqi4010 如果你读过中国以外出版的历史书，你会发现，几千年前，越南人曾经在从长江以南，到东海岸以及越南北部（的区域）定居。所以从技术上讲，中国南部是越南的一部分。
@ben_castle When Chinese establish East Asia civilization, Vietnam is not a country and Vietnamese didn’t have characters and agriculture. Why Vietnamese use Chinese characters? Why Vietnamese use chopsticks? Why Vietnamese eat rice? All because ancient Chinese brought East Asia civilization to them. You can find the truth from Wikipedia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosphere?wprov=sfti1
@ben_castle 当中国人建立东亚文明时，越南还不是一个国家，越南没有文字和农业。 越南人为什么使用汉字？ 越南人为什么用筷子？ 越南人为什么吃米饭？ 这都是因为古代中国人给他们带来了东亚文明。 你可以从维基百科找到真相。
@mastertrend4685 Vietnamese people celebrated Lunar New Year even before 1,000 years of Chinese domination, my friend.
@mastertrend4685 我的朋友，甚至在中国统治一千年之前，越南人就庆祝农历新年了。
你们的古籍是用汉字写的。你们自己都不认识。太可怜了。
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Chinese new year/calendar is based on northern China’s climate, nothing with SE asian region. Vietnamese is typical SE asian people.
中国新年/历法是基于中国北方的气候（而产生的），与东南亚地区无关。越南人是典型的东南亚民族。
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Vietnam is not China stop talking nonsence please
If Vietnam = China then why we have 2 word Vietnam and China then ?
越南不是中国，请别再胡说八道了。
如果越南=中国，那为什么我们有越南和中国这两个词呢？
Please read more book everyone, truly
请大家多看书，真的。
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china , Vietnam,Japan, Korea all have spring festival as a important holiday, it means those countries definitely have close relationships in history and culture, but it not means they are a same country
中国、越南、日本、韩国（朝鲜）都把春节作为重要节日，这意味着这些国家在历史和文化上肯定有密切的联系，但并不意味着它们是同一个国家。