与美国出生的华人相比，在日本出生的华人相对更容易融入当地社会
Interesting observations on Japan born Chinese experiences compared to ABCs (Western born Chinese)
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总体而言，尽管存在日本人有多么讨厌中国人的刻板印象，但日本出生的华人比美国出生的华人更容易被他们所在的国家接受。
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This is perhaps something that many people do not know about, but Japan has some domestic raised Chinese (albeit less in numbers than in the West). For the sake of simplicity, let's refer to them as JBCs.
这也许是很多人不知道的事情，但在日本有一些在其国内长大的华人（尽管数量比在西方的少）。为了简单起见，我们将它们称为日本出生的华人（JBC）。
I have talked to many JBCs and their parents and I have come to the conclusion that despite Japan being an obxtively insular country who hates Chinese people, JBCs are much better integrated and socially accepted. Here are some trends that I'm observing with JBCs compared to ABCs.
我与许多日本出生的华人及其父母交谈过，我得出的结论是，尽管日本客观上是一个厌恶中国人的岛国，但日本出生的华人的融入程度和社会接受度要高得多。以下是我观察到的日本出生的华人与美国出生的华人相比的一些趋势。
我与许多日本出生的华人及其父母交谈过，我得出的结论是，尽管日本客观上是一个厌恶中国人的岛国，但日本出生的华人的融入程度和社会接受度要高得多。以下是我观察到的日本出生的华人与美国出生的华人相比的一些趋势。
1) Japan born Chinese usually experience full social integration. Most JBCs are accepted by their peers and on average have more friends than ABCs. I was a bit surprised since I expected Japanese kids to be racist towards JBCs, but the reality is that the vast majority literally do not care and treat JBCs the same as how they treat other Japanese kids.
1）日本出生的华人通常会经历充分的社会融合。大多数日本出生的华人都受到同龄人的接受，并且平均比美国出生的华人拥有更多的朋友。我有点惊讶，因为我预计日本孩子会对日本出生的华人持种族主义态度，但现实是绝大多数人根本不在乎这个，他们对待日本出生的华人就跟对待其他日本孩子一样。
1）日本出生的华人通常会经历充分的社会融合。大多数日本出生的华人都受到同龄人的接受，并且平均比美国出生的华人拥有更多的朋友。我有点惊讶，因为我预计日本孩子会对日本出生的华人持种族主义态度，但现实是绝大多数人根本不在乎这个，他们对待日本出生的华人就跟对待其他日本孩子一样。
Meanwhile, ABC kids in the West especially ABC males face a lot of passive aggressive behaviours and micro aggression which makes it harder for them to befriend white kids. I would argue that ABCs in the West occupy a similar social position to Jewish Europeans in 1930s Europe; they are a fringe population that is undeniably "othered" by the bulk populace including "anti-racist" White people, which contributes to why ABCs oftentimes just have other ABC friends unlike JBCs, who seem fully integrated and many even state that they have never experienced bullying for being "Chinese".
与此同时，西方的美国出生的华人孩子，尤其是美国出生的华人男孩，面对着许多被动攻击行为和微暴力，这使得他们更难与白人孩子交朋友。我认为在西方的美国出生的华人与20世纪30年代欧洲的犹太欧洲人有着相似的社会地位。他们是边缘人群，无可否认地受到包括“反种族主义”白人在内的广大民众的“排斥”，这就是为什么美国出生的华人经常只有其他美国出生的华人朋友，与日本出生的华人不同，他们日本出生的华人似乎完全融入社会，许多人甚至声称他们从未因身为“华人”而遭受欺凌。
与此同时，西方的美国出生的华人孩子，尤其是美国出生的华人男孩，面对着许多被动攻击行为和微暴力，这使得他们更难与白人孩子交朋友。我认为在西方的美国出生的华人与20世纪30年代欧洲的犹太欧洲人有着相似的社会地位。他们是边缘人群，无可否认地受到包括“反种族主义”白人在内的广大民众的“排斥”，这就是为什么美国出生的华人经常只有其他美国出生的华人朋友，与日本出生的华人不同，他们日本出生的华人似乎完全融入社会，许多人甚至声称他们从未因身为“华人”而遭受欺凌。
2) JBCs (for male) differ significantly to ABC males in terms of dating experiences and self esteem. Most JBC males report having some amount of Japanese girls overtly liking them/confessing to them/giving them gifts as early as elementary school. Even below average looking males usually have at least one girl who shows interest in them during their childhood/adolescence.
2) 日本出生的华人（男性）在约会经历和自尊方面与美国出生的华人男性显着不同。大多数日本出生的华人男性报告说，早在小学时就有一些日本女孩公开喜欢他们/向他们表白/给他们礼物。即使是长相低于平均水平的男性，通常也至少有一个在童年/青春期对他们表现出兴趣的女孩。
2) 日本出生的华人（男性）在约会经历和自尊方面与美国出生的华人男性显着不同。大多数日本出生的华人男性报告说，早在小学时就有一些日本女孩公开喜欢他们/向他们表白/给他们礼物。即使是长相低于平均水平的男性，通常也至少有一个在童年/青春期对他们表现出兴趣的女孩。
However, this is a foreign concept to many ABC males raised in the West, who frequently report no girls showing overt interest in them, especially in white areas. This applies even if they are above average looking, not to mention they rarely receive compliments. Over time, the lack of validation from women negatively impact how an ABC male perceives himself, leading to low self esteem. Meanwhile, JBCs are frequently extroverted with high self esteem and most perceive themselves as good looking.
然而，对于许多在西方长大的美国出生的华人男性来说，这是一个陌生的概念，他们经常报告说没有女孩对他们表现出明显的兴趣，尤其是在白人地区。即使他们的相貌高于平均水平，更不用说他们很少受到赞美了。随着时间的推移，缺乏女性的认可会对美国出生的华人男性的自我认知产生负面影响，从而导致自卑。与此同时，日本出生的华人型人往往性格外向，自尊心强，大多数人认为自己长得很好看。
然而，对于许多在西方长大的美国出生的华人男性来说，这是一个陌生的概念，他们经常报告说没有女孩对他们表现出明显的兴趣，尤其是在白人地区。即使他们的相貌高于平均水平，更不用说他们很少受到赞美了。随着时间的推移，缺乏女性的认可会对美国出生的华人男性的自我认知产生负面影响，从而导致自卑。与此同时，日本出生的华人型人往往性格外向，自尊心强，大多数人认为自己长得很好看。
3) JBCs are frequently very athletic. This surprised me at first, but apparently JBCs make up a large proportion of Japanese athletes especially in sports such as basketball and volleyball. Famous JBC athletes include Haku Ri, Yuto Kawashima, Tomokazu Harimoto and many more. I suspect this is mostly due to racism. In the West, ABC kids are frequently told by their non-Asian peers that Asians are unathletic. This results in stereotype threat where ABC kids and their parents end up internalizing these racist beliefs, thus discouraging them from sports and affirming this racist stereotype even more. Meanwhile, JBCs do not have this barrier at all and most are encouraged to be athletic.
3) 日本出生的华人通常非常擅长运动。起初这让我感到惊讶，但显然日本出生的华人在日本运动员中占很大比例，尤其是在篮球和排球等运动领域。著名的日本出生的华人运动员包括李博、川岛悠翔、张本智和等。我怀疑这主要是由于种族主义。在西方，美国出生的华人孩子们经常被非亚裔同龄人告知，亚裔不擅长运动。这导致了刻板印象威胁（一个人会担忧或焦虑自己的行为，将会验证那些对于自己所属社会群体的负面刻板印象，而这种焦虑使得他的表现变差），美国出生的华人孩子和他们的父母最终将这些种族主义信仰内化，从而阻止他们参加体育运动，并进一步肯定这种种族主义刻板印象。与此同时，日本出生的华人根本不存在这种障碍，并且大多数人都被鼓励参加体育运动。
3) 日本出生的华人通常非常擅长运动。起初这让我感到惊讶，但显然日本出生的华人在日本运动员中占很大比例，尤其是在篮球和排球等运动领域。著名的日本出生的华人运动员包括李博、川岛悠翔、张本智和等。我怀疑这主要是由于种族主义。在西方，美国出生的华人孩子们经常被非亚裔同龄人告知，亚裔不擅长运动。这导致了刻板印象威胁（一个人会担忧或焦虑自己的行为，将会验证那些对于自己所属社会群体的负面刻板印象，而这种焦虑使得他的表现变差），美国出生的华人孩子和他们的父母最终将这些种族主义信仰内化，从而阻止他们参加体育运动，并进一步肯定这种种族主义刻板印象。与此同时，日本出生的华人根本不存在这种障碍，并且大多数人都被鼓励参加体育运动。
Overall, despite the stereotype of how much the Japanese people hate the Chinese, JBCs are much more likely to become accepted by their country than ABCs.
总体而言，尽管存在日本人有多么讨厌中国人的刻板印象，但日本出生的华人比美国出生的华人更容易被他们所在的国家接受。
总体而言，尽管存在日本人有多么讨厌中国人的刻板印象，但日本出生的华人比美国出生的华人更容易被他们所在的国家接受。
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Just look at Season 4 of the Bachelor in Japan. The bachelor is a super successful Chinese dude that made it to the top level of media and eventually married a Japanese actress.
I've lived in Japan. I think the biggest differentiator is that the Chinese born here grow up effectively bilingual and can blend in very well. Japanese would not be able to differentiate if you speak natively given East Asians look similar. They also are also willing to tolerate Japanese work culture and many work for big Japanese companies compared to the regular foreigners you think of living here.
From a people to people level, Chinese have been living in Japan forever so I don't think the animosity is super deep. Sure there's plenty of ignorance but like most things if you can communicate effectively, many issues go away.
只需看一看日本《单身汉》第四季（真人秀约会游戏节目）。这位单身汉是一位极其成功的华人，他在媒体界达到了最高水平，并最终与一位日本女演员结婚。
我曾经在日本生活过。我认为最大的区别在于在这里出生的华人在双语环境中长大，能够很好地融入。如果你说母语，日本人是无法区分的，因为东亚人看起来很相似。与你在这里想到的普通外国人相比，他们也更愿意容忍日本的工作文化，并且许多人在大型日本公司工作。
从人与人之间的层面来看，华人在日本已经生活了很长时间，所以我认为敌意并不十分深刻。当然会有很多无知，但像大多数事情一样，如果你能有效地沟通，许多问题就会消失。
I'm a European born half Chinese, half carribean, parents born in South America. To white people they just see Asian. I live in Japan now, so I'm not JBC but I am Chinese living in Japan.
Some of your post is a bit redundant, like JBCs integrating more than ABCs.
Let's compare it to say, a German born in the UK or something. At the end of the day, their ethnicity is practically the same.
East Chinese, Korean, Japanese, while there are some differences their ethnicity isn't wholly different. I truly don't believe people can tell solely on face. I speak Japanese and Japanese people ask me if I'm half, I lived in Korea aswell and experienced the same. So it's not like you can just tell. These JBCs, with Japanse names, wouldn't be seen as any different unless they explicitly said they were Chinese.
You CAN tell by culture, behavior, fashion, styling etc. I work in hospitality and I have many Korean and Chinese guests, aswell as Japanese obviously. These are tourists, so it's not that hard to tell. Koreans have a certain style thats so easy to pick up on, and they're usually taller too. Chinese behavior is not like Japanese. But JBCs, they wouldn't be dressing or behaving any different than Japanese because they are born here. That being said, I won't claim that I can tell 100% either. Some Koreans and Chinese speak fluent Japanese and then I can't tell for sure.
Now, what IS interesting to note about your post is that, unlike what some people might think, Japanese people are automatically racist towards Chinese or Koreans. I have personally not felt this, and I'm not larping to be Japanese. If they ask if I'm Japanese I just say 'no I'm Chinese actually' and I have not felt any issues with this. My Chinese mother was in Japan, she doesn't speak Japanese but they just speak Japanse to her anyways. The Chinese tourists from the mainland and the Chinese born in the west behave very differently too. You can easily tell which are the mainland tourists.
I'm not some self hating Chinese btw. I'm proud of my Chinese heritage and while I could sometimes pretend to be Japanese I would never do that. JBCs might be different in that too. I do know some JBK(?) and they don't even speak Korean so, they are basicly just Japanese. Some choose to call themselves Korean and some don't, to avoid potential issues.
我是一个欧洲出生的，一半中国血统，一半加勒比血统，父母出生在南美。对于白人来说，他们只能看到亚洲人。我现在住在日本，所以我不是日本出生的华人，但我是住在日本的华人。
你的一些观点有点多余，比如JBC比ABC更容易融入。
我们来比较一下，比如一个在英国出生的德国人。归根结底，他们的族裔几乎是相同的。华人、韩国人、日本人，虽然有些差异，但他们的族裔并不是完全不同。我真的不相信人们只凭脸就能判断。我会说日语，日本人问我是不是混血，我也曾在韩国生活过，也经历过同样的情况。所以你不能凭外表就判断。这些日本出生的华人，有着日本名字，除非他们明确表示自己是华人，否则不会被看出来有任何不同。
你可以从文化、行为、时尚、风格等方面来判断。我在酒店行业工作，有很多韩国和中国客人，当然还有日本客人。这些都是游客，所以很容易分辨。韩国人有一种特定的风格，很容易辨认，而且他们通常也更高大。中国人的行为不像日本人。但日本出生的华人，他们的穿着或行为不会与日本人有任何不同，因为他们出生在这里。话虽如此，我也不敢百分之百确定。有些韩国人和中国人会说流利的日语，那我就无法确定了。
现在，你帖子中有趣的地方是，与一些人可能认为的不同，日本人并不会自然而然地对中国人或韩国人有种族歧视。我个人并没有感受到这一点，我也不是在假扮成日本人。如果他们问我是不是日本人，我就说“不，我其实是中国人”，我也没有感受到任何问题。我中国的母亲来日本，她不会说日语，但他们总是跟她说日语。来自大陆的中国游客和在西方出生的中国人的行为也有很大不同。你很容易就能分辨出来哪些是大陆游客。
顺便说一句，我并不是那种自我憎恨的中国人。我为自己的中国传统感到自豪，虽然我有时可以假装是日本人，但我永远不会这样做。日本出生的华人可能在这方面会有所不同。我认识一些日本出生的韩裔，他们甚至不会说韩语，所以他们基本上就是日本人。有些选择自称是韩裔，有些人则不这样做，以避免潜在的问题。
Also JBCs look different to Mainland Chinese people in the face. This might be environmental I suspect. I’m noticing that their faces are longer for example compared to their Chinese parents.
另外，日本出生的华人在面部看起来与中国大陆人不同。我怀疑这可能是环境造成的。例如，我注意到他们的脸比他们的中国父母要长。
That's actually really funny to say. I've always suspected that to some extent about Asian Americans versus homeland Asians. No real evidence.
Maybe it's the air, maybe it's the different nutrition in the food. I have no idea.
说实话，这真的很有趣，我一直对亚裔美国人与本土亚洲人的差异原因在某种程度上有种怀疑。没有真正的证据。
也许是空气，也许是食物中不同的营养。我不知道。
Funny story, there was one time I made smalltalk with a Chinese woman while traveling by plane, and she said she could tell I wasn't raised in China even before I started speaking to her. I asked if it was my clothes or mannerisms but to my surprise she said it was because I was very tanned. LOL. She said young Chinese women raised in China would never allow themselves to get that tanned.
有趣的是，有一次我在飞机上和一个中国女性闲聊，她说甚至在我开始和她说话之前，她就知道我不是在中国长大的。我问她是因为我的穿着还是举止，但令我惊讶的是，她说是因为我的皮肤晒得很黑。哈哈。她说，在中国长大的年轻中国女性绝不会允许自己晒得那么黑。
Because JBC's don't stand out in terms of looks. For the most part, they look like the majority population. Same with Koreans (although there are still some issues due to historic reasons), Taiwanese, Vietnamese etc as long as they are Japanese passing look-wise.
With Koreans, many who have changed their names to Japanese names and mainly don't talk about their ancestry are usually ok but it has changed a lot lately with the current K-Wave that's hitting worldwide and Japan specifically, younger Japanese people are more accepting of Koreans, but there are still some issues as I have stated such as many Koreans can't get Japanese citizenship despite being born there since they were in Japan before the end of WW2 and decided to stay in Japan (Zainichi Koreans) and other things which I won't go into as it's a whole huge subject in and of itself.
因为日本出生的华人在外貌上并不突出。在很大程度上，他们看起来像是主流人口。韩国人也是如此（尽管由于历史原因仍有一些问题）、台湾人、越南人等，只要他们在外貌上看起来像日本人就行。
对于韩裔来说，许多人已经改了日本名字，主要不谈论自己的血统，通常没问题，但随着当前的韩流风潮席卷全球，特别是在日本，年轻的日本人更加接受韩国人，但仍然存在一些问题，如我所述，许多韩裔尽管在日本出生，但由于在二战结束前就已在日本，并决定留在日本（在日朝鲜人），却无法获得日本国籍，还有其他一些问题，但这不是我要讨论的，因为这本身就是一个庞大的话题。
Second this. It’s often difficult for Asians to often stand out as Asian but this isn’t often true in Japan also. I know that many Filipinos often have a more difficult time in Japan.
But I really need to see the numbers to see how much of what OP says it’s true. I know a lot of Chinese who integrate well here but I also live in California where there is alot of Asians. Also I know that both Chinese and Korean face alot of discrimination in Japan also, especially in the workplace and school.
同意这个。亚洲人通常很难因为亚洲人的身份变得很突出，但在日本并不总是如此。我知道许多菲律宾人在日本往往会遇到更多困难。
但我真的需要看到数据，看看楼主说的有多少是真实的。我认识很多在这里融入得很好的中国人，但我也住在加州，那里有很多亚洲人。而且我也知道华人和韩裔在日本也面临着很多歧视，尤其是在职场和学校。
Now that's very interesting because I've been reading up a lot about China born Koreans (Chosonjok). Also called Jaehan Joseonjok (재한조선족) or Zaihan Chaoxianzu (在韩朝鲜族). And it's one of the 13 ethnic minorities recognized in China, and the largest Korean community outside Korea, after Korean Americans.
这非常有趣，因为我了解了很多在中国出生的朝鲜族（朝鲜族）的事情。这也被称为在韩中国朝鲜族或在韩朝鲜族（指身处、定居或移民到韩国的中国朝鲜族，韩国人对其歧视，限制其权利）。它是中国承认的13个少数民族之一，也是韩国以外最大的朝鲜族群体，仅次于韩裔美国人。
Wouldn't "在韩朝鲜族" mean a North Korean person living in South Korea? Whereas a Chinese national with Korean ancestry would be "中国朝鲜族人民"?
Whereas a Chinese person in Japan or in Korea would be considered a foreign person/immigrant, even if they were born there, rather than being just a local who's ethnically different. That differentiation might make someone want to further assmiliate themselves to become indistinguishable from a local, hence the JBCs and JBKs who have adopted Japanese names. Whereas the acceptance of Chaoxianzu in China means they aren't discriminated and they are proud and open about their ancestry as well as stay in touch with their culture and speak Korean and keep their Korean names.
Also there are 56 ethnicities recognised in China, not 13.
“在韩朝鲜族”不是指在韩国的朝鲜人吗？而具有朝鲜血统的中国国民应该是“中国朝鲜族人民”吧？
但是，我认为中国朝鲜族的区别是，他们根本不被视为外国人。他们在中国社会中受到了很好的接受，因为每个人都知道中国有朝鲜族存在（延边市大约有200万朝鲜族，那是官方双语城市），因此他们被视为本地的少数民族。朝鲜族与真正来自韩国的韩国人不同，他们是外国人。
而在日本或韩国的华人将被视为外国人/移民，即使他们是在那里出生的，而不仅仅是一个种族不同的当地人。这种差别可能使某些人希望进一步融入，使自己与当地人没有区别，因此有日本出生的华人和日本出生的韩裔采用了日本名字。而中国对朝鲜族的接受意味着他们没有受到歧视，他们对自己的血统感到骄傲，并保持与自己的文化保持联系，讲朝鲜语，并保留自己的朝鲜名字。
另外，中国承认的民族有56个，而不是13个。