三体社区吐槽：拆分汪淼就是个错误，史诗级的视野和规模被网飞的牛津五人组指数级缩小了
The Oxford 5 reduced the scope
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明明是来自不同背景的人组成的联合力量，网飞这版改编却给人以一小撮人拯救了世界的观感
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The trisolarian crisis is a global issue. Most of the protagonists hadn't known eachother before yet they were involved in coping with this crisis in some way.
There were nanotech scientist, former cops, soldiers, hedonistic teacher, aerospace engineer, cancer patient, president of a socialism country, former US secretary of defense, Nobel winning scientist. They were born in 1950s, 1980s, Era of Deterrence.
三体危机是全球性问题。大部分主人公之前并不相识，但他们都以某种方式参与应对了这场危机。
他们中有纳米科学家、前警员、士兵、耽于享乐的教师、航天工程师、癌症患者、某社会主义国家的总统、前美国国防部长、诺贝尔奖得主。他们出生在二十世纪五十年代、八十年代和威慑时代。
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Perhaps they even never met eachother in their whole life. But their lives have been connected by the string of the destiny of humanity since the crisis. I feel it like so many people are in the same community for humanity. They have the same target.
很可能，他们之间一辈子都没有见过面。但自危机发生以来，他们的生活就被人类命运之弦连在了一起。我感觉有太多的人都身处同一个人类共同体。他们目标一致。
很可能，他们之间一辈子都没有见过面。但自危机发生以来，他们的生活就被人类命运之弦连在了一起。我感觉有太多的人都身处同一个人类共同体。他们目标一致。
But the Netflix adaption made the joint force of different people from different backgrounds look like the world saved by a small group of people. Operation Guzheng was brought up by Wade and Raj, relying on the technology from one of the Oxford 5. Staircase Project was put forward by Wade and one of the Oxford 5, too. And guess what, wallfacer, swordholder, escapist, spy are all from the Oxford 5. And AA is actually from the future, they are gonna make her Auggie from the Oxford 5. Looks like the Oxford 5 is the center of universe.
明明是来自不同背景的人组成的联合力量，网飞这版改编却给人以一小撮人拯救了世界的观感。古筝行动由维德和拉杰提出，靠的是牛津五人组其中一位的技术。阶梯计划也是由维德和牛津五人组之一提出的。你猜怎么着，面壁人、执剑人、逃亡主义者、间谍全都来自牛津五人组。而艾AA其实来自未来，他们打算让她成为牛津五人组中的奥吉。看来牛津五人组才是宇宙的中心。
明明是来自不同背景的人组成的联合力量，网飞这版改编却给人以一小撮人拯救了世界的观感。古筝行动由维德和拉杰提出，靠的是牛津五人组其中一位的技术。阶梯计划也是由维德和牛津五人组之一提出的。你猜怎么着，面壁人、执剑人、逃亡主义者、间谍全都来自牛津五人组。而艾AA其实来自未来，他们打算让她成为牛津五人组中的奥吉。看来牛津五人组才是宇宙的中心。
The diversity is limited in the UK, or more specifically, in London(or a little bit in China and US). The epic scope of the book is thus reduced exponentially.
这种多样性仅限于英国，更准确地说，仅限于伦敦（在中国和美国也有一小点）。这样一来，本书的史诗级视野就指数级缩小了。
这种多样性仅限于英国，更准确地说，仅限于伦敦（在中国和美国也有一小点）。这样一来，本书的史诗级视野就指数级缩小了。
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One of my favorite tropes in wide-scope stories (like Game of Thrones) is having that large cast that doesn't know eachother but POVs start to converge and characters form unlikely connections. I assumed that's what would happen here, and the Oxford Five would be a name for disconnected people-of-interest designated by powers that be like Wade, but no, its just their school club
在各种规模极大的故事（比如《权力的游戏》）中，我最喜欢的一个套路就是，有一大群互不认识的角色，但他们的（主观）视点开始交汇，人物之间形成了虚幻的联系。我本以为这个剧也会是这种情况，牛津五人组本会是由维德那样的当权者定名的互不相识的利益攸关者的名字，结果不是，就只是他们那个校园俱乐部。
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他们以某种方式“全球化”了这部剧，方法却是把它变得比书中更不全球化。
↘那他们就不应该把第二和第三本书中的事件压缩到这一季里，这一季本就是用来改编第一本书的。这样，他们就有3集的时长来充实第一部，而不是为了去改编下一个大事件，匆匆忙忙改编完第一部。
literally had the exact same thought independent of this post. Every character in the book had their own independent network with depth most of which never interacted. It felt like an anime where a group of friends are going off to save the world.
在没受本贴影响的情况下，我也产生过完全一样的想法。书中每个角色都有自己独立的纵深网络，其中大部分都没有产生互动。这剧感觉就像是一伙朋友动身去拯救世界的动画片。
↘被他们拍成了《怪奇物语》。
↘我明白你的意思，也同意你的观点，但再说一遍，8集太有限了。再加上一个跨越亿万年、亿万颗星球等的故事，外加大量重要的情节点、政治和理论，我认为，简化角色和既定关系可能会在整体上带来帮助。
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If so, ok stick with 8 episodes if you want them.done well BUT why adapt 1.5 novels of notoriously dense material?WTF?
↘我寻思，他们不就是拿到一笔预算，然后根据预算来决定集数的吗？
如果是这样，那好，那你们就坚持搞8集，如果这就是你们想要的。做得很好，但为什么要改编一部半以素材极为密集出名的小说呢？是在搞什么鬼？
↘同意。我为了试着让自己摆脱偏见，正在重看，但是真该死。我禁不住感觉他们在拍这部剧时，拿到的是最低限度的预算。
Totally agree. I admired superheroes when I was a child. But now, when I look at these frivolous so-called "genius" saving the world, it is disrespectful to the human beings, who are building the world with their "ordinary" efforts. Oxford 5 are too cheesy.
完全同意。我小时候很崇拜超级英雄。但现在，当我看到这些轻浮的所谓的“天才”在拯救世界，感觉这是对那些用“平凡”的努力建设世界之人的不尊重。牛津五人组太恶俗了。
↘饶有趣味的是，超级英雄电影通常会先让超级英雄们的故事独立发展，然后再汇聚到一起。如果钢铁侠、美国队长和绿巨人早就是好哥们，那么《复仇者联盟1》就会少掉一半的乐趣。
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I literally can barely remember their names. Splitting Wang was a mistake.
↘你的意思是，肥胖粗俗的零食男、蠢货女、舔狗男、自我中心的毒虫和冰美人并不是令人信服的角色？
不夸张地说，我都快记不住他们的名字了。把汪淼拆分就是个错误。
Just binged it and this was my biggest problem. So you're telling me that the only people who can: come up with the propulsion method, the nanofiber tech, provide a brain, be a wallfacer all just happen to be friends?
Oh and btw the person who invited the aliens in the first place just happened to be the mother of one of their research colleagues.
我刚还搜索了一下，这是我意见最大的点。所以你是在告诉我说，唯一能想出推进方法、纳米纤维技术、提供大脑、成为面壁人的人恰好都是朋友？
顺便说一句，当初把外星人邀请来的人，恰好是他们一位研究员同事的母亲。
别逗我了，地球上可是有几十亿人呢，这也太荒唐了！
↘我认为，这样做甚至也有违将故事“西方化”的初衷。他们没有把故事主体设定在中国，也没有以中国角色为主，而是选择把故事主体设定在英国，角色则是随机的一群人，还互相认识。这确实拉低了这个故事以可信之方式向前发展的视野/规模。
↘“我的其中一个男友可能会拯救人类”什么的
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↘还有一处不满，我希望大史能更风趣些。腾讯那版就好得多了。我认为该剧的选角非常完美，但实在是没有给本尼迪克特·王足够的戏份去发挥。
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In the books the 3 protagonists come from a country with over a billion people. In the show the 3 protagonists were all in the same study group. Which is more ridiculous?
在三本书中，三位主角来自一个拥有十多亿人口的国家。而在本剧中，有三位主角来自同一个学习小组。哪个更荒谬？
I think when you are adapting these books to video format you have some obvious problems. When we read the internal thoughts of a character, how is that presented in screen? By making these characters interact with each other and verbalizing their thoughts you can further the story more efficiently. I think this is much better for storytelling then making it more realistic.
我认为，当你把这些书改编成视频时，你会碰到一些显而易见的问题。当我们读到一个人物的内心想法时，要如何在屏幕上呈现出来？方法就是让这些角色互动起来，用言语表述他们的想法，这样就能更高效地推进故事。我认为在讲故事方面，这种做法要比处理得更写实好得多。
这就和那些很火的罪案剧中似乎总是在抓连环杀手差不多是一样的，尽管在现实生活中，警察靠着出色的工作也很少能抓到连环杀手。
↘中国那版成功地通过动作、情感、字里行间的隐含意等来表达人物。而不是靠嘴来表达一切。
In the books it looked like Trisolarians vs Earth, in this it looks more like Trisolarians vs Wade
在书中，看起来像是三体人与地球人的对决，而在这部剧中，看起来更像是三体人与维德的对决。
They seem incapable of breaking free from the 'lone (group of) hero' archetype, don't they?
I'm beyond weary of these hackneyed tropes.
他们似乎无力摆脱这种“孤独的（一伙）英雄”的人物创作模型，不是吗？
我已经厌倦了这些陈腐的套路。
One of the coolest things in the book is when Beihai decided to kill the Ultimate Law then realized the (until that point) unnamed captain figured out the problem independently and did it earlier and better. That is the scale of this book is about: ultimately, the whole world is in this together and everyone is going through the deep thinking.
原著中最酷的事情之一就是，当时章北海决定消灭终极规律号，随后就意识到（在那之前）有某个不知名的舰长靠自己找到了答案，而且出手更早、更准。这就是本书的视野所向：最终，整个世界在一起渡劫，每个人都在经历深沉的思考。
It's the pinnacle of Netflix faux-diversity. Take a non-western piece of media, change all the characters to hot young people, but it's fine because they're all different skin colors and sexual orientations.
It's sadly ironic how homogenous Netflix's "diversity" is.
这是网飞伪多样性的巅峰。拿来一个非西方的媒体作品，把所有角色都换成热辣的年轻人，但因为他们的肤色和性取向都不一样，这么干也就没问题了。
悲哀啊，讽刺的是，网飞的“多样性”是如此同质化。
↘对于进步人士来说，多样性就是白人男性、黑人男性、女性，没有东亚男性，除非他们是胖子/女里女气/同性恋，基本上是个阉人。
So far I am in episode 4, I feel the storyline was rushed too fast, as a result, there is less suspence. Some book plots were ommitted which was very unfortunate, for example why on earth change the plot of Ye wenjie murdering her husband ? And in the novle, when Ye met Evans, they were two broken soul who found conformt with each other, why change that? And why omit Evans childhood story ?
目前我看到第四集，我感觉故事情节推进得太快了，因此悬念也少了。还省略了书中的有些情节，这也太遗憾了，比如叶文洁杀害丈夫的情节，到底为什么要改掉呢？而且在小说中，当叶文洁遇到伊文斯时，他们这两个破碎的灵魂在对方那里找到了慰藉，为什么要改动这些？为什么要省略伊文斯童年的故事？
Yes! I've been saying this to almost every post. Everything had a reduced scope. Even the defence was mostly just Wade & Clarence. Where is the committee? Where is the fun interaction where US gets as allies with China. The book tries to show that the entire globe is affected. The series feels like it takes place in 2 cities and has only 20 people involved. It feels cheap. Even the raid had like 4 swats.. That operation should've had hundreds of people involved (by that moment everyone was an ally) Also the UN and wallfacer announcement is on fast forward. Need some intro... Isn't that the prime minister? Or the queen? Give it a grander scale, that announcement is a world wide event. There were just a bunch of people involved. You don't get to feel that everyone is on board on a global scale. Last one the nukes. It was literally a one liner that they just got 300...wtf, go a bit geopolitical, even it's just adding some dialogue ("Russia doesn't agree on such a big concentration of nukes. They barely agreed to sign off on a plan for 200. And later on.. the prime minister of India & president of China manage to run some inteterference, so we managed to get it up to 300. I'm sorry but that's the best we can do").
是的！我在几乎每个帖子里都这么说。一切都被缩小了范围。就连（行星）防御也只剩下维德和克拉伦斯。委员会怎么不见了？美国和中国结盟带来的有趣互动又在哪里？原著试图展示全球都受到了影响。而该剧给人的感觉像是，只发生在两个城市，只有二十个人参与其中。就感觉很廉价。就连突袭行动也只有四名特警。那次行动本该有数百人参与（在那一刻，每个人都是盟友），联合国和面壁人的宣布也是快进的。需要一些介绍...那不是首相吗？还是女王？把视野范围扩大点吧，这次宣布可是世界性的事件。却只有一群人参与。
你无法感觉到每个人都在全球的层面上同舟共济。最后是核武器。简直是一句话就搞定了，说他们刚刚得到了300 枚...搞什么鬼，来点地缘政治吧，哪怕只是增加一些对话（“俄罗斯不同意如此大规模地聚集核弹。他们勉强同意批准200枚核弹的计划。后来...印度总理和中国设法作了一些干预，于是我们成功地将核弹数量提高到了300枚。我很抱歉，但我们已经尽力了”）。
The reason is for dramatic impact. If these people didn't all know each other, they either wouldn't be interacting, or would be interacting as strangers. What you're complaining about isn't a consequence of changing the national origins of the characters, it's about wanting an ensemble show, a cast who will relate to each other and have a history together to show and build on, rather than a cast of characters who are all essentially monads.
原因在于戏剧效果。如果这些人互相不认识，他们要么不会互动，要么会像陌生人一样互动。你抱怨的并不是改变角色国籍产生的后果，而是想要一个群像剧，一组能相互关联、有可以展示和进一步发展的共同历史的演员阵容，而不是一组本质上都是单细胞生物的演员阵容。
typical, now I suspect the scxt was written ttem by AI
常见伎俩，现在我都怀疑那剧本都是AI写的。