QA：为什么欧洲人声称欧洲的生活比美国的生活更好，却找不到大量从美国搬到欧洲的人来支持他们的说法？
Why do people in Europe claim that life in Europe is better than life in the United States, yet they can't find any large number of people moving from the United States to Europe to back up their claim?
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网友：嗯，实际上是我们不让美国人搬到这里。请有序排队。似乎有相当多的人试图从中东的压迫政权和形形色色的军阀手中逃往欧洲。他们走在了美国人的前面，因为他们往往拥有真正的难民身份。美国人移居欧洲的唯一现实方式是……
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Why do people in Europe claim that life in Europe is better than life in the United States, yet they can't find any large number of people moving from the United States to Europe to back up their claim?
为什么欧洲人声称欧洲的生活比美国的生活更好，却找不到大量从美国搬到欧洲的人来支持他们的说法？
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Um, we don’t actually let Americans move here.
Please form an orderly queue; it seems like quite a lot of people are trying to flee to Europe from oppressive regimes and assorted warlords in the Middle East. And they’re ahead of Americans, since they often have genuine refugee status.
The only realistic way for an American to move to Europe is 1) as someone’s spouse, 2) having qualifications for a job that are unmatched by any local applicant. Reason 1 is incredibly much more common than reason 2. Especially since many jobs have as a key qualification “somewhat fluent in the local language”.
嗯，实际上是我们不让美国人搬到这里。
请有序排队。似乎有相当多的人试图从中东的压迫政权和形形色色的军阀手中逃往欧洲。他们走在了美国人的前面，因为他们往往拥有真正的难民身份。
美国人移居欧洲的唯一现实方式是：
1、作为某人的配偶
2、拥有任何当地申请人都无法比拟的工作技能。
原因1比原因2普遍得多。尤其是因为许多工作的关键条件是“能熟练掌握当地语言”。
Um, we don’t actually let Americans move here.
Well that's kinda overstating it, if an American wants to move to Europe they are welcome to do so as long as they can comply with the requirements that apply to every potential immigrant, and some Americans do just that, I was previously married to an American myself, lived in the US a while myself and we moved to Denmark together, got divorced later but she still lives here and has no intention of returning to the US, but anyway the immigration process wasn't that difficult, and on a side note considerably cheaper than the US one was, something like 200 kr in fees vs. About 2500 dollars, but yeah some random American with no skills, no assets, no relation will probably have a hard time of it
“嗯，实际上是我们不让美国人搬到这里。”
呃呃，这有点言过其实了，如果一个美国人想搬到欧洲，只要他们能遵守适用于每一个潜在移民的要求，欢迎他们这样做，而有些美国人就是这样做的，我以前也和一个美国人结婚，我自己在美国住了一段时间，我们一起搬到了丹麦，后来离婚了，但她仍然住在这里，无意返回美国，但无论如何，移民程序并没有那么困难，而且比美国便宜得多，生活费用大约是200克朗 VS 2500美元的样子，但是的，一些没有技能、没有资产、没有关系的美国人可能会过得很艰难。
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Applying for Irish citizenship costs a thousand Euros upfront, but is achievable if you have an Irish grandparent.
申请爱尔兰公民身份需要预付1000欧元，但如果你有爱尔兰祖父母，这是可以实现的。
Overstating it because Mats is just a narrow-minded chauvinistic ass.
夸大其词，因为Mats只是一个心胸狭窄的沙文主义混蛋。
Says the American who thinks that the US has ‘exceptionalism’.
认为有美国“例外论”的美国人，就是这么说话的。
I never said that, Jenny. Know of what you speak before opening your mouth.
我从来没有这么说过，Jenny。开口之前先知道自己说了什么。
You do. No other country talks about their ‘exceptionalism’ despite being behind every other first world country in every stat that matters to security and safety except crime, school and mass shootings.
你这么做了。没有其他国家谈论他们的“例外主义”，只有某个国家，尽管他们在除犯罪、学校和大规模枪击案之外的所有涉及安全的数据上都落后于其他第一世界国家。
Again, I never said that. Follow the logic of the conversation please.
再说一遍，我从来没有这么说过。请按照对话的逻辑进行。
The fact that you and your American ex divorced later doesn't change that she came into Denmark as your spouse (or as Mats' reason 1), she wouldn't have been allowed to move to Denmark if you had divorced before she moved. We (Europeans/Nordics) don't deport permanent residents for getting divorced, but getting a permanent residence status takes 4–7 years (depending on the country). you are the one overstating when you say "if an American wants to move to Europe they are welcome to do so as long as they can comply with the requirements that apply to every potential immigrant", since those requirements will be exactly one of the two reasons Mats listed unless they're from another EU/EEA/Schengen country (in which case there won't be any requirements at all) or if they're accepted as refugees (which no American will be).
I've been in a relationship with an American woman for nearly 5 years, living with her in Europe (Iceland) and paying taxes together mutually as spouses, for nearly the entire time, and she is still legally tied to me (she'll hopefully be granted permanent residency next year, and citezenship 2 years after that).
你和你的美国前任后来离婚的事实并没有改变，她是作为你的配偶来到丹麦的（或者作为Mats的理由1），如果你在她搬家之前就离婚了，她就不会被允许搬到丹麦。我们（欧洲人/北欧人）不会因为离婚而驱逐永久居民，但获得永久居留身份需要4-7年（取决于国家）。
当你说“如果美国人想移居欧洲，只要他们能遵守适用于每个潜在移民的要求，欢迎他们移居欧洲”时，你是在夸大其词，因为这些要求正是Mats列出的两个原因之一。
否则的话，除非他们是来自另一个欧盟/欧洲经济区/申根国家（在这种情况下根本没有任何要求）或者他们是否被接纳为难民（没有美国人会被接纳）。
我和一位美国女性交往了近5年，与她一起生活在欧洲（冰岛），几乎一直作为配偶共同纳税，她仍然与我有法律联系（她有望在明年获得永久居留权，两年后获得公民身份）。
Well Mats started by stating we don't allow Americans to move here and that's just not correct, there are no prohibitions against immigrants from the US they are the same as any other immigrants from non EU countries often expats talk to each other share their experiences of life in their new country so while we were married I met several other Americans living here with a multitude of routes to get residency/citizenship between them, she had a son from a previous marriage who has recently moved here with his girlfriend also American and they are currently going through the process without significant difficulties, he is too old for family reunification and such, so his family relation to her doesn't matter from an immigration standpoint, but he found a job here so did the girlfriend, the point really is Americans can and do immigrate to Scandinavia they are allowed to on an equal basis with anyone else, and as I wrote in the end of my comment a random person with no skills, relations or assets will have a hard time of it, it isn't impossible but difficult if you have none of that, but if you are American or Australian doesn't really matter in that equation.
好吧，Mats首先说我们不允许美国人搬到这里，这是不对的，我们没有禁止来自美国的移民——他们和来自非欧盟国家的任何其他移民一样。外籍人士经常相互交谈，分享他们在新国家的生活经历，所以当我们结婚时，我遇到了住在这里的其他几个美国人，他们之间有很多获得居留权/公民身份的途径。她的前一段婚姻留下了一个儿子，最近，她儿子的女朋友（也是美国人）搬到了这里，他们目前正在经历这个过程，没有重大困难，他年龄太大了，不需要家庭团聚等等，所以从移民的角度来看，他和她的家庭关系并不重要，但他在这里找到了工作，女朋友也是，真正的问题是，美国人可以而且确实可以移民到斯堪的纳维亚半岛，他们被允许在与其他人平等的基础上移民，正如我在评论的最后所写的那样，一个没有技能、关系或资产的路人甲会过得很艰难，如果你没有这些问题，这是有可能的，但很困难，但你是美国人还是澳大利亚人，在这个等式中并不重要。
Add the double taxation to this, any US citizen has to pay taxes in US regardless of where they live.
再加上双重征税，任何美国公民都必须在美国纳税，无论他们住在哪里。
Although it's not really double as in they don't pay twice the amount of tax. They have to report their earnings to the US IRS and, if in the US they should have paid more than they've already paid in their country of residence, they'll pay that difference to the US.
这并不是真正的两倍，因为他们不缴纳两倍的税款。他们必须向美国国税局报告他们的收入，如果他们在美国应该支付比他们在居住国已经支付的更多的钱，他们将向美国支付差额。
Which is absolutely insane, let's be honest
老实说，这太疯狂了
Oh, for sure. In combination with the US’s jus solis citzenship laws, it’s creating a whole host of accidental Americans who are likely to be charged upon entering the US if they haven’t been keeping up with their taxes.
哦，当然。再加上美国的出生地公民身份法，这就产生了一大批意外的美国人，如果他们没有按时纳税，那么他们进入美国时可能会被收取费用。
“who are likely to be charged upon entering the US if they haven’t been keeping up with their taxes.” Do you have any idea how often that actually happens? Hint: the use of the word “likely” here is so inaccurate as to be absurd. “Very, very remotely possible, if you are on their radar for other reasons” would be much more accurate.
“如果他们没有按时纳税，那么他们进入美国时可能会被收取费用。”
你知道这种情况实际发生的频率吗？提示：这里使用“可能”一词是如此不准确以至于荒谬。
“非常非常极度可能，如果你因为其他原因出现在他们的雷达上的话”，这样会准确得多。
One of them is Boris Johnson, former UK PM born in US. He gave up US citizenship to stop paying tax in US..
其中之一就是出生在美国的前英国首相鲍里斯·约翰逊。他放弃了美国公民身份，停止了在美国纳税……
why? if you aren't liable for taxes, you shouldn't have the benefit of citizenship.
为什么？如果你不纳税，你就不应该享受公民身份的好处。
Tax revenue is used to fund public services, corrupt politicians notwithstanding.
The amount of public services that you may need to use while living abroad is minuscule enough that it can be said to be covered by you being a citizen-ambassador in said foreign country, helping in making your country more visible to the locals.
A fair trade for a nation state, I would say.
Although this hinges on the belief that you understand how your actions abroad do not only affect your reputation but the reputation of your compatriots and your nation too, which may be a tall order for the stereotypical American.
税收是被用来资助公共服务的，尽管有腐败的政客。
你在国外生活时可能需要使用的公共服务数量很小，可以说你是外国的公民大使，这有助于让你的国家更容易的被当地人看到。
我想说，这是一个民族国家的公平贸易。
尽管这取决于你的信念，即你明白你在国外的行为不仅会影响你的声誉，还会影响到你的同胞和国家的声誉，这对刻板的美国人来说可能是一个很高的要求。
Typically the tax rate in the US is lower, so I’d think most won’t need to pay anything to Uncle Sam. But, yeah the tax filing requirement is extremely burdensome and especially unfair to ‘accidental Americans’.
通常情况下，美国的税率较低，所以我认为大多数人不需要向山姆大叔支付任何费用。但是，是的，纳税申报要求极其繁重，对“意外出生的美国人”尤其不公平。
Taxes can be lower in the U.S., but you get your wallet vacuumed by health insurance companies and hospitals with side billing of anesthesiologists, etc.
In the end, you may keep more of your income in Europe.
美国的税收可能会比其他国家更低，但你的钱包会被健康保险公司和医院掏空，麻醉师等也会收取额外费用。
最终，在欧洲，你才能留下你的更多收入。
That’s an overly simplistic and misleading answer. If one is a US ex-pat residing overseas, and if one meets the time requirements for being outside the US, then the first $100,000 (approx.) of foreign income is exempt.
Beyond that, one gets a credit for foreign tax paid where you’re getting your foreign income. If the tax exceeds what you would have paid per US tax schedules, then you owe the IRS nothing; if it doesn’t, you pay the difference to the US.
这是一个过于简单和具有误导性的答案。
1、如果一个人是居住在海外的美国侨民，并且符合在美国境外的时间要求，那么第一笔（约）100000美元的外国收入是免税的。
2、除此之外，在获得外国收入的地方，还可以获得外国税收抵免。如果税款超过了您根据美国纳税申报表应缴纳的税款，那么您不欠美国国税局任何款项；如果没有，你就把差额付给美国。
It’s not very easy for someone from the United States to move to Europe.
Most Americans have terrible foreign language skills so can only speak English and hence are limited to Ireland or the Uk both of which have strict immigration requirements that most US citizens aren’t capable of passing.
Also the Net Worth in those countries for a median resident is a LOT higher than in the US so it can be a financial struggle for Americans to afford a home.
So only wealthy Americans with very good jobs can afford the move and the US isn’t a bad place to live at all if you are wealthy.
对于一个来自美国的人来说，移居欧洲并不容易。
大多数美国人的外语能力很差，只能说英语，因此移民的选择仅限于爱尔兰或英国，这两个国家都有严格的移民要求，大多数美国公民都无法通过。
此外，这些国家的中等居民的净资产远高于美国，因此美国人想买得起房子可能需要一场经济斗争。
因此，只有拥有好工作的富有美国人才能负担得起搬家的费用，如果你很富有，美国也不是一个糟糕的居住地。