乌克兰裔女性赢得日本小姐称号，网友担忧白人审美崇拜摧毁日本
Caucasian woman wins Miss Japan
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这就像一只金毛猎犬参加了柴犬比赛并获胜。
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乌克兰出生的模特Karolina Shiino于2024年1月22日加冕为新一届日本小姐。作为一名在日本生活了20多年的入籍公民，Shiino的种族仍然引发了关于作为日本人意味着什么以及什么可以被定义为日本美女的争论。
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It's like a golden retriever entering a shiba dog contest and winning.
这就像一只金毛猎犬参加了柴犬比赛并获胜。
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I wanna say that's an accurate representation but then I'm afraid of getting cursed ahahahahaha
我想说这是一个准确的表述，但我又怕被咒骂啊哈哈哈哈哈哈
The problem lies with the judges.
问题出在评委身上。
golden retriever entering by claiming she is a shiba dog
金毛猎犬闯入，声称自己是一只柴犬
HMM, maybe so but she lived as Japanese though....
嗯，也许是这样，但她毕竟像日本人一样生活....
she was born in Ukraine, has no bloodties to Japan and most likely has dual citizenship.
She is Japanese by nationality but is she more Japanese than a Japanese girl born in Japan to Japanese parents?
她出生在乌克兰，和日本没有血缘关系，很可能有双重国籍。
从国籍上看，她是日本人，但她比一个在日本出生、父母是日本人的日本女孩更日本吗?
As a Japanese, I honestly have mixed feelings. In Japan these days, Caucasian faces are beginning to become the ideal of beauty. I fear that her win will accelerate the trend in Japanese society to favor Caucasian looks. In Japan, where lookism is strong, there are girls who admire Caucasian faces and feel complex about their race.
As she said, "I am glad to be accepted as a Japanese." I feel that she has had a painful experience as an immigrant. However, I do not welcome the fact that this woman won the "Miss Contest," in which contestants compete based on their appearance.
作为日本人，说实话，我的心情很复杂。如今在日本，白人的面孔开始成为美的理想。我担心她的获胜会加速日本社会偏爱白人外貌的趋势。在日本，外貌主义盛行，有些女孩崇拜白人的面孔，并对自己的种族感到复杂。
正如她所说的，“被接受为日本人我感到高兴。”我感觉她作为一位移民有过痛苦的经历。然而，我不欢迎这位女性赢得“选美比赛”，在这个比赛中，参赛者是根据外表竞争的。
i agree. japanese women & girls are beautiful and i hope they realize that this european standard of beauty should not have taken center stage here.
我同意。 日本女性和女孩很漂亮，我希望她们意识到这种欧洲的美丽标准不应该在这里占据中心舞台。
Spot on!
说得对！
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Japanese women are beautiful.
日本女性很美丽。
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Did you feel the same way when a half black girl won the contest not that long ago?
不久前，当一个有一半黑人血统的女孩赢得比赛时，你也有同样的感觉吗?
So by your logic, for the next miss USA pageant only Native American women should enter? Since they are the real Americans and all others are not?
所以按照你的逻辑，下一届美国小姐选美比赛只应该有美洲原住民女性参加吗？因为他们才是真正的美国人，其他人都不是？
… you must be a white girl living in japan
… 你一定是一个在日本生活的白人女孩
....not only in Japan, most of Asian admire and want to be as white as the caucasian especially for the Asian women, white skin and caucasian look face are the standard of the beauty in our society most, we must admit that. In every beauty products....all say about to whitening your skin. It happened from decade long long ago. The trends are start from long time ago until now.
I'm not supporting her, but it was not her fault to be born as white girl with white skin and caucasian face. Most important how she behave and adapt the Japanese culture and custom in her daily life.
I agree with you thought, This might be accelerate the trend even high than before. But most important thing how the beauty product brands promote their product to the society online and off line. If they kept using the caucasian look models for represent their product, it just a matter of time the trends will be booming. Many big Asian product brands always using the caucasian look model rather than the native look models domestically, this is one of the reason caucasian look favored among Asian women society.
......不仅在日本，在亚洲大多数地方，多数人都羡慕并希望拥有像白人那样白皙的肤色，尤其是对于亚洲女性来说，白皙的皮肤和白人的容貌在我们社会中被视为美的标准，我们必须承认这一点。在所有美容产品中......都在强调美白。这是早在数十年以前的事了。这种趋势从很久以前就开始了，直到现在。
我并不支持她，但她出生为一个拥有白皙肤色和白种人面容的白人女孩并不是她的错。最重要的是她在日常生活中如何表现和适应日本文化和风俗。
我同意你的观点，这可能会加速比以前更高的趋势。但最重要的是美容品牌如何在线上和线下向社会推广他们的产品。如果它们继续使用白人模特代表其产品，这只是时间问题，这种趋势将会蓬勃发展。许多大型亚洲品牌在国内市场更倾向于使用白人模特，而不是本土模特，这也是为什么亚洲女性在社会中更青睐白人外貌的原因之一。
I feel that if a Squid won the Ms. Dolphin contest, that people should puke accordingly...
我觉得如果一只鱿鱼赢得了海豚小姐比赛，人们应该相应地呕吐...
I agree with what you say but unfortunately Asians cultures always loved white people and their standard for some reason
我同意你说的，但不幸的是，亚洲文化总是因为某种原因喜欢白人和他们的标准。
I have no hate towards her and i definitely have a lot of respect for her dedication but i feel like this is already breaking their own rules.
我对她没有仇恨，而且我绝对尊重她的献辞，但我觉得这已经违反了他们自己的规则。
People mentioning European beauty standards and this girl but I don’t think actual Europeans would consider this girl that pretty. She looks like a regular person by any standard.
人们提到欧洲的美丽标准和这个女孩，但我不认为真正的欧洲人会认为这个女孩有那么漂亮。无论以何种标准来看，她都像个普通人。
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I can't agree with this, she has a model appearance by any standards.
我不能同意这一点，她在任何标准下都有着模特的外貌。
Oh the cut the bs man,Most of the models infact look like a "regular" person .You could find prettier girls who are sort of underground models that never popped off.
噢，别扯淡了，伙计。大多数模特实际上看起来都像一个“普通”人。你可以找到更漂亮的女孩，她们是那种从未出名的地下模特。
The world is sadly increasingly converging to a Eurocentric beauty standard
遗憾的是，世界正日益趋向于以欧洲为中心的美丽标准。
Lets be real. No disrespect towards the winner but someone who represents Japan should have the face of Japan.
让我们说实话吧。对获胜者没有不敬之意，但代表日本的人应该有日本的面孔。
Japan is a country not a race. Look at the Ainu people. They have lived in Japan since time immemorial but are racially distinct and many look European... If you're a Japanese citizen, then why shouldn't you be eligible to represent your country? Should Japan also stop allowing non-Asian Japanese citizens to represent them at the Olympics? If she were Malaysian or Chinese born would there still be a problem here?
日本是一个国家，不是一个种族。看看阿伊努人。他们自古以来一直生活在日本，但在种族上有区别，许多人看起来像欧洲人...如果你是日本公民，为什么不能代表你的国家呢？日本是否也应该停止允许非亚洲的日本公民在奥运会上代表他们？如果她是马来西亚人或中国人出生，这里还会有问题吗？
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maybe you didnt understood the term "Face of Japan".. this is not discrimination but acceptance.. the representation here is unlike sports.. Many of those Ainu people you spoke about has the features of a Japanese or rather Asian too... in countries like Malaysia and Singapore, races such as Malay, Chinese and Indians can represent the nations as they are indigenous to the region.. but that doesnt mean an indian who is a neutralised citizen of China can represent China in a contest that bases on the best representation of the identity of the country.. in simplicity there is a difference in comparing a green apple with a red one and comparing an apple with a pear.. just because you become a neutralized citizen doesnt mean you are eligible to everything.. when i said "best representation", no matter what there are still limitation..ethnic wise, its an european representing as an asian.. your argument draws similar lines to *the transgender women who claim they are women and compete in women's sports*...
也许你没有理解"日本的面孔"这个词…这不是歧视，而是接纳…这里的代表与体育运动不同…你提到的许多阿伊努人也有日本人或者说亚洲人的特征…在像马来西亚和新加坡这样的国家，马来人、华人和印度人可以代表这些国家，因为他们是这个地区的原住民…但这并不意味着一个在中国取得国籍的印度人可以在一个以基于对国家身份最好的代表的比赛中代表中国…简单来说，比较一个绿苹果和一个红苹果与比较一个苹果和一个梨是有区别的…仅仅因为你成为了一个入籍公民并不意味着你有资格拥有一切…当我说"最好的代表"时，无论如何都还是有限制的…从种族角度看，这是一个欧洲人代表一个亚洲人…你的论点与声称自己是女人并参加女子运动比赛的跨性别女性的论点相似…
you're gonna say Chinese are indigenous to Singapore or Malaysia? Do you know history? You think Indians have been living in Malaysia since the beginning? By your logic, only Aborigines can ever win a Miss Australia contest. All of Miss New Zealand needs to look Polynesian. Do you know that immigration is a thing that happens? This is what is known as quiet racism or at the very least bigotry. History is full of cross-culture. You need to get over your prejudices.
你是说华人是新加坡或马来西亚的原住民吗？你了解历史吗？你认为印度人从一开始就生活在马来西亚吗？按照你的逻辑，只有原住民才能赢得澳大利亚小姐比赛。所有的新西兰小姐都需要看起来像波利尼西亚人。你知道移民是一件经常发生的事情吗？这就是所谓的安静的种族主义，或者至少是偏见。历史充满了跨文化。你需要克服你的偏见。
Face of japan ? So you telling me any asian look japanese enough can join ? At this point just call it Ms East Asia
日本的面孔？你是说任何长得像日本人的亚洲人都可以加入吗?在这一点上，就叫它东亚小姐吧
Well, I think it's more important if the winer has the face of a WOMAN. Nowadays, many beauty pageants are giving the crown to 'transwomen".
好吧，我认为更重要的是获胜者是否有女人的面孔。如今，许多选美比赛都把桂冠颁给“跨性别女性”。
She's not Japanese. I admire her commitment, but what was the point of the contest, but to humiliate Japanese nationals whose culture and aesthetics are meant to be represented and celebrated? The fault of this shameful outcome lies not on her but on the organizers and judges. Such a cheap and easy move to win sympathy points by virtually spiting and throwing your own culture and values under the rug.
她不是日本人。我钦佩她的努力投入，但这个比赛的意义是什么呢？只是羞辱那些本该被代表和庆祝其文化和审美的日本国民吗？这可耻的结果并不是她的错，而是组织者和评委的责任。通过实际上唾弃和丢弃自己的文化和价值观，这是一种多么廉价而容易的赢得同情分的手段。
This hurts. I love Japan, also lived there, but if you already make a "Miss (any country)", then the person should be originally from there, since they represent the culture and looks of the country, which is definitely not the case here.
这很伤我的心。我喜欢日本，也在那里生活过，但如果你已经选了一个“小姐（任何国家的）”，那么这个人应该来自那里，因为他们代表了这个国家的文化和面貌，而这里的情况绝对不是这样。
No blacks in white contests in the us please
请不要让黑人参加美国的白人比赛
And no trans people
还有不能有跨性别者
I was thinking the same thing but then if you think about it... a lot of people from U.S. should also not be able to participate cause they're immigrants or from immigrant families.
我也有同样的想法，但是如果你仔细想想...很多来自美国的人也不应该参加，因为他们是移民或来自移民家庭。
Don't you think there is a huge difference in that? USA is literally build on immigrants. Japan is not
你不觉得这有很大的区别吗？美国实际上是建立在移民的基础上的。而日本不是
You can't just say "oh but USA is an exception". Internationalization is currently expanding beyond the U.S. A prime example would be the U.K., France and Germany where there's citizens whose parents are immigrants. If someone's a citizen of that country, they're a citizen of that country. There's a lot of mixed families everywhere nowadays. It's going to become the norm so you better get used to it. When talking about Japan specifically, black people are becoming more and more common in Japan. Although they're still a minority, there's quite a few. So what? Are they not Japanese? If they have mixed race parents or have citizenship are they not Japanese? What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
Now, if the contest wanted to celebrate a specific look, then they should have specified that. That's on them. This lady doesn't deserve any of the hate people are giving her. Miss Japan just sounds like people who are from Japan, which this lady is cause she's lived there for most of her life and is a citizen of Japan.
你不能简单地说“哦，但美国是个例外”。国际化目前已经超越了美国。一个典型的例子是英国、法国和德国，那里有许多父母是移民的公民。如果某人是该国的公民，那他就是该国的公民。如今到处都有很多混血家庭。这将成为常态，所以你最好适应。谈到日本，黑人在日本变得越来越普遍。虽然他们仍然是少数，但数量相当可观。那又怎样？他们不是日本人吗？如果他们有混血的父母或拥有国籍，他们就不是日本人吗？你说的毫无道理。
现在，如果比赛想要庆祝一个特定的外貌，那么他们应该明确说明。这是他们的责任。这位女士不应该受到人们的任何厌恶。日本小姐听起来像是来自日本的人，而这位女士确实是，因为她在那里生活了大半辈子，而且是日本公民。
This is about representing a country and it's culture, as well as looks. So you think it would be fair if a white woman would win in Ghana for example? I just think it is nice to see their own beauty standards from their country.
这是关于代表一个国家和它的文化，以及外貌。所以你认为如果白人女性在加纳（非洲）赢得比赛会公平吗？我只是觉得看到他们自己的国家的美的标准是很好的。
"Don't hate the player, hate the game". Don't show hate her for participating. Question the judges who are doing their job. Ask them why they chose her, not Shiino herself because she was a participant like every other woman there.
“不要讨厌玩家，讨厌游戏。” 不要因为她参与而对她表达厌恶。质疑那些在执行工作的评委。问问他们为什么选择了她，而不是质问Shiino本人，因为她只是和其他女性一样的参与者。
people are upset because she said she is Japanese at the end which is why it’s an identity crisis sparked debate she said she was, which she is not, and especially not because she won a silly pageant where there is clearly a beauty bias.
人们感到不满，因为她在最后说她是日本人，这引发了关于身份认同的辩论。她说她是，但她不是，尤其不是因为她赢得了一个明显存在美丽偏见的愚蠢选美比赛。
Agree. The judging criteria for this contest is Japaneseness. I have to say it's very vague.
同意。这个比赛的评判标准是“日本性”。我不得不说它非常模糊。
using your logic, Americans aren’t American? But they are Asian, African, Mexican? This woman is Japanese by law (citizen). Those people should be allowed to participate. Imagine an European beauty contest and they don’t allow European immigrant Asians or Africans purely because of their outer appearance. Protests would start. Think girl, think. Once you have their passport, you become them
按照你的逻辑，美国人不是美国人吗？但他们是亚洲人、非洲人、墨西哥人？这位女士在法律上是日本人（公民）。那些人应该被允许参加。想象一下欧洲的选美比赛，如果不允许欧洲的亚洲或非洲移民参加，纯粹因为他们的外貌。抗议将开始。女孩想想吧，想想。一旦你有了他们的护照，你就成了他们。
I hate both.
我两个都讨厌。
I’m not even remotely asian and yet I really do feel that this is wrong.
我根本不是亚洲人，但我真的觉得这是不对的。
Embarrassing ..... My heartfelt condolences to all Japanese people.... Truly a sad day.
真令人尴尬……向所有日本人民表示衷心的慰问....真是悲伤的一天。
Embarrassing that all of the Miss competitions in America are either Europeans and Africans, but no Americans. By Americans I mean native people of course not any of these immigrants from the last 400 years.
尴尬的是，美国的所有选美比赛都是欧洲人和非洲人，但没有美国人。当我说美国人时，我当然是指原住民，而不是过去400年来的这些移民。
I can guarantee you she would not have won had she been a Russian born model.
I'll say it regardless, if you weren't born in Japan to atleast one Japanese parent or don't have Japanese blood despite being born in Japan then you can never be Japanese.
我可以保证，如果她是一个在俄罗斯出生的模特，她就不会赢。
无论如何，我都会说，如果你不是在日本出生，至少有一个日本父母，或者尽管在日本出生但没有日本血统，那么你就永远不可能是日本人。
Thing is… she’s a naturalised Japanese citizen. If the Japanese government themself recognises her as their national, then nothing else matters really. There can be a brick wall between blood/origin from nationality/citizenship.
事实是…她是一个归化的日本公民。如果日本政府自己承认她是他们的国民，那么其他的都不重要了。血统/起源和国籍/公民身份之间可以有一堵砖墙。
she is not a “japanese” citizen. she is a citizen OF japan.
她不是“日本”公民。她是日本的公民。
Blame the judges, not her. They could of easily passed on her for a Japanese contestant to wear the crown.
责怪评委，而不是她。他们本可以轻松地选择一位日本参赛者戴上桂冠。
I think this is not acceptable. Just to be politically correct, you can not lose your own identity. Japan has its own century old history and legacy. This is Miss Japan. It has to represent Japanese heritage and looks. JAPAN is not made off immigrants, so this is just a political stunt.
我认为这是不可接受的。仅仅为了政治正确，你不能失去自己的身份。日本有着自己百年的历史和传承。这是日本小姐。它必须代表日本的传统和外貌。日本并不是由移民构建的，所以这只是一个政治噱头。
I am from Poland and it just doesn't make sense.....its like with France Soccer team...nobody is French... to upxe, just because you are born somewhere doesn't make you indigenous..and yes, most "French " players are bought from other teams which makes soccer international games nothing but a joke. AND to add Immigration has to be permanently prohibited to prevent civil wars or wars and additionally when I want to travel to France or Japan I want to see Japanese people and their traditions and not for example India. I am sick of immigration. Because of races mixed WWII was started.
我来自波兰，这根本没有意义…就像法国足球队…没有人是法国人…更新一下，仅仅因为你在某个地方出生并不意味着你是原住民…而且，是的，大多数"法国"球员都是从其他队伍买来的，这使得足球国际比赛成为了一个笑话。而且，移民必须被永久禁止，以防止内战或战争，此外，当我想去法国或日本旅行时，我想看到日本人和他们的传统，而不是比如说印度。我厌倦了移民。正因为种族混合，二战才开始的。
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