哈马斯领导人否认两国解决方案
Hamas leader rules out two-state solution
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哈马斯领导人哈立德·马沙尔坚称巴勒斯坦人不会承认以色列，并且他们的国家将延伸“从河流到海洋”
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Senior Hamas official Khaled Mashaal has rejected calls for the negotiation of a two-state peace deal with Israel to end the war in Gaza, proclaiming that the Palestinian people will never legitimize the “Zionist entity” in West Jerusalem by accepting its existence.
”We have nothing to do with the two-state solution,” Mashaal said in an interview posted on Tuesday by Kuwaiti podcaster Ammar Taqi. “We reject this notion because it means you would get a promise for a state, yet you are required to recognize the legitimacy of the other state, which is the Zionist entity. This is unacceptable.”
哈马斯高级官员哈立德·马沙尔拒绝了通过与以色列进行双方和平协商来结束加沙战争的呼吁，他宣称，巴勒斯坦人民永远不会接受这个在西耶路撒冷的“犹太复国主义实体”的存在，从而使其合法化。
“我们与两国解决方案无关”，马沙尔在科威特播客阿玛尔·塔基（Ammar Taqi）发布的一次采访中说。 “我们拒绝这个观念，因为它意味着你将得到一个国家的承诺，但你需要承认另一个国家的合法性，这就是锡安主义实体，这是不可接受的。”
The Middle East Media Research Institute provided an English translation of the interview, in which Mashaal argued that the Hamas attacks on October 7, which triggered the latest war in Gaza, have revitalized the Palestinian dream of wiping out Israel. He insisted that the independent Palestinian nation must extend from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and from the Lebanese border to the Gulf of Aqaba.
”I believe that October 7 has enhanced this conviction, has narrowed the disagreements, and has turned the idea of liberating Palestine from the river to the sea into a realistic idea that has already begun,” Mashaal said. “It is not something to be [merely] expected or hoped for. It is part of the plan, part of the agenda, and we are standing on its threshold, Allah willing.”
中东媒体研究所提供了这次采访的英文翻译，马沙尔在采访中认为，哈马斯于10月7日发动的袭击引发了加沙的最新战争，重新激发了巴勒斯坦消灭以色列的梦想。他坚持认为，独立的巴勒斯坦国必须从约旦河到地中海，从黎巴嫩边境延伸到亚喀巴湾。
“我相信，10月7日的会议增强了这种信念，缩小了分歧，并将解放巴勒斯坦的想法从河流到海洋转化为一个已经开始的现实想法，这不仅是预期或希望的事情，而是计划的一部分，议程的一部分，我们正站在门槛上，如果真主愿意。”
”I believe that October 7 has enhanced this conviction, has narrowed the disagreements, and has turned the idea of liberating Palestine from the river to the sea into a realistic idea that has already begun,” Mashaal said. “It is not something to be [merely] expected or hoped for. It is part of the plan, part of the agenda, and we are standing on its threshold, Allah willing.”
中东媒体研究所提供了这次采访的英文翻译，马沙尔在采访中认为，哈马斯于10月7日发动的袭击引发了加沙的最新战争，重新激发了巴勒斯坦消灭以色列的梦想。他坚持认为，独立的巴勒斯坦国必须从约旦河到地中海，从黎巴嫩边境延伸到亚喀巴湾。
“我相信，10月7日的会议增强了这种信念，缩小了分歧，并将解放巴勒斯坦的想法从河流到海洋转化为一个已经开始的现实想法，这不仅是预期或希望的事情，而是计划的一部分，议程的一部分，我们正站在门槛上，如果真主愿意。”
Mashaal made his comments as US President Joe Biden and other proponents of a two-state solution stepped up pressure on Israeli leaders to seek a negotiated peace deal with the Palestinians. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rebuffed Washington, insisting that “only total victory will ensure the elimination of Hamas and the return of all our hostages.”
马沙尔发表这番言论时，美国总统乔·拜登和其他支持双方和平解决方案的人士正在向以色列领导人施加压力，要求他们寻求与巴勒斯坦人进行协商的和平协议。以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡拒绝了华盛顿的要求，坚称“只有彻底胜利才能确保消灭哈马斯，并释放我们所有的人质。”
马沙尔发表这番言论时，美国总统乔·拜登和其他支持双方和平解决方案的人士正在向以色列领导人施加压力，要求他们寻求与巴勒斯坦人进行协商的和平协议。以色列总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡拒绝了华盛顿的要求，坚称“只有彻底胜利才能确保消灭哈马斯，并释放我们所有的人质。”
The October 7 attacks left more than 1,100 people dead, including almost 700 Israeli civilians and 71 foreigners, and Hamas fighters took hundreds of hostages back to Gaza. Israel responded by vowing to eliminate Hamas, an allegedly Iranian-backed militant group that has governed the Palestinian enclave since 2006. More than 25,000 people, primarily civilians, have been killed in Gaza since the war began, according to Palestinian health officials.
10月7日的袭击造成了超过1100人死亡，其中包括近700名以色列平民和71名外国人，哈马斯战斗人员将数百名人质带回加沙。以色列则表示要消灭哈马斯，这是一个据称由伊朗支持的激进组织，自2006年以来一直统治着巴勒斯坦加沙地带。根据巴勒斯坦卫生官员的说法，自战争开始以来，已有超过25,000人，主要是平民在加沙丧生。
10月7日的袭击造成了超过1100人死亡，其中包括近700名以色列平民和71名外国人，哈马斯战斗人员将数百名人质带回加沙。以色列则表示要消灭哈马斯，这是一个据称由伊朗支持的激进组织，自2006年以来一直统治着巴勒斯坦加沙地带。根据巴勒斯坦卫生官员的说法，自战争开始以来，已有超过25,000人，主要是平民在加沙丧生。
Mashaal is among several billionaire leaders of Hamas who live in Qatar. He noted that amid the war in Gaza, the slogan “from the river to the sea” has been chanted by pro-Palestinian protestors in major Western cities. He added that Hamas had never intended to merely rule Gaza under Israeli occupation; rather, its governance was necessary to build up “the resistance.”
马沙尔是多位在卡塔尔居住的哈马斯富豪领袖之一。他指出，在加沙战争期间，“从河流到海洋”的口号已经在西方主要城市的亲巴勒斯坦抗议者中被喊出。他补充说，哈马斯从未打算仅仅在以色列占领下统治加沙；相反，它的治理是必要的，以建立“抵抗力量”。
马沙尔是多位在卡塔尔居住的哈马斯富豪领袖之一。他指出，在加沙战争期间，“从河流到海洋”的口号已经在西方主要城市的亲巴勒斯坦抗议者中被喊出。他补充说，哈马斯从未打算仅仅在以色列占领下统治加沙；相反，它的治理是必要的，以建立“抵抗力量”。
”It provided a political and administrative cover in all means – the weapons, the weapons production, the planning, the training, and the tunnels – while our backs were safe,” Mashaal said.
West Jerusalem dismantled all Israeli settlements in Gaza in 2005, saying it was no longer occupying the Palestinian enclave.
“它在所有方面提供政治和行政掩护-武器、武器生产、计划、训练和隧道-而我们的背后是安全的，”马沙尔说。
以色列在2005年拆除了在加沙的所有以色列定居点，称它不再占领巴勒斯坦加沙地带。
West Jerusalem dismantled all Israeli settlements in Gaza in 2005, saying it was no longer occupying the Palestinian enclave.
“它在所有方面提供政治和行政掩护-武器、武器生产、计划、训练和隧道-而我们的背后是安全的，”马沙尔说。
以色列在2005年拆除了在加沙的所有以色列定居点，称它不再占领巴勒斯坦加沙地带。
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As long as the american evangelical christians back israel, because they are fool enough to believe the return of all jews will bring back the Messiah, USA Congress and Senate menbers will continue to back the genocidal regime to the last US soldier and to the last dollar! They are all corrupted, receive openly bribes from the rich zionist donors and have lost all moral compas since JFK murder!
只要美国的福音派基督徒支持以色列，因为他们愚蠢到相信所有犹太人的回归将带回弥赛亚，美国国会和参议院成员将继续支持这个种族灭绝的政权，不惜动用最后一名美国士兵和最后一分美元！他们都被腐败腐化了，公开收受来自富有的犹太复国主义捐助者的贿赂，并且自从约翰·肯尼迪被谋杀以来，已经失去了所有的道德准则！
After the obscene genocidal crimes that the Zionists have committed there is only one solution - Israel must be erased from the map.
在犹太复国主义者所犯下的令人发指的种族灭绝罪行之后，只有一个解决方案——以色列必须从地图上被抹去。
The one state solution is the zios stated goal. Their borders are earth and they get their one world tyranny (aka government) or they will nuke earth. Their samson option states. "we want earth as own and if we can't have it no one gets it and to that end we have nukes planted in the 700 biggest cities on earth". Bluff? Who knows. BTW their intent is ro change the name from earth to israel
一国解决方案是犹太复国主义者宣称的目标。他们的边界是整个地球，他们要实现他们的世界暴政（也称为政府），否则他们将对地球发动核攻击。他们的萨姆森选择（Samson Option）表明，“我们想要地球作为我们的领土，如果我们不能拥有，就不允许任何人拥有，并且为此，我们在地球上700个最大的城市中安装了核弹”。这是虚张声势吗？谁知道呢。顺便说一句，他们的意图是将地球的名字改为以色列。
It makes much more sense for Sweden and Germany to mobilize their military in preparation for a war against Israel in all its forms. It is the only war worth fighting for, to regain the freedom and sovereignty of Western people.
对瑞典和德国来说，动员他们的军队准备对以色列进行各种形式的战争是更有意义的。为了重新获得西方人民的自由和主权，这是唯一值得为之战斗的战争。
Mashaal is right the handover of Palestine by the Rothschild brits to jews must be completely reversed. It is as much a spiritual as a material matter, you do not make compromises with Satan.
马沙尔是正确的，罗斯柴尔德家族将巴勒斯坦交给犹太人，这一切都必须完全逆转。这既是精神问题，也是实质问题，你不能与撒旦妥协。
Isreal needs to find this man & all the other leaders of Hamas & eradicate these Arab Muslim terrorists! There is NO two state solution this was never an option & after 7/10 NO right minded person would have a Rabid Arab Dog as a neighbor!? That would be foolishness & suicidal The Arab is a sub human species of VERMIN!
以色列需要找到这个人和哈马斯的其他领导人，根除这些阿拉伯穆斯林恐怖分子！没有两国解决方案，这从来不是一个选择，在7/10事件之后，没有一个头脑正常的人会和一只患狂犬病的阿拉伯人作为邻居！那将是愚蠢和自杀行为。阿拉伯人是一种亚人类的害虫！
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This guy is not a loose cannon – just a tough negotiator. During the "Oslo Peace Process" the PLO made huge concessions – and got nothing in return. Now Hamas demands everything – to get something. And doesn’t Netanyahu, too, demand everything. So let’s see what happens.
这家伙不是一个随意的人，只是一个强硬的谈判者。在“奥斯陆和平进程”期间，巴解组织做出了巨大的让步，却没有得到任何回报。现在哈马斯要求一切——为了得到一些东西。难道内塔尼亚胡不也要求一切吗？所以让我们看看会发生什么。
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2 states solution is in reality....1 state of Israel....all around Palestine...and another one' state' for Palestinians in REFUGEES CAMPS ...in the neighbouring countries
两国解决方案实际上是......以色列一个国家......围绕巴勒斯坦......还有一个“国家”，供难民营的巴勒斯坦人使用...在邻国
INDEED.... because there is no such thing....as 2 states solution....this is a HOAX....made for Israel to buy time...they(Israelis) have killed their own prime minister because of this
确实....因为根本没有两国解决方案....这是一个骗局....为了让以色列获得时间...他们（以色列人）因此杀死了自己的总理
I see Hamas's point. What Israel has done to the Palestinian people is soo bad! Unforgivable! Israel has crossed the line of no return. They don't deserve to live on Earth, let alone have their own State
我能理解哈马斯的观点。以色列对巴勒斯坦人所做的事情太过分了！不可原谅！以色列已经越过了不归路。他们不配活在地球上，更不用说拥有自己的国家了。
Once Israel seemed to have legitimacy. Now that we are witnessing it actively committing GENO.... we see it for what it is; a racist regime, cruel and brutal to its very core. Its charter should be revoked.
以色列一度似乎拥有合法性。现在我们正在目睹它积极地实施种族灭绝，我们看到了它的本质;一个种族主义政权，残忍到骨子里。它的章程应该被撤销。
With his statement, look like isreal will have world war every 30-50 years
根据他的声明，似乎以色列每30-50年就会发生一次世界大战。
Absolutely!! Palestine will be free from river to the sea. They'll and should not settle for even an inch less than what was always theirs. It's the land of the Prophets and a sanctuary for the worshippers. There's no chance of any settlement with the Zionist murderers, especially after this recent GENO..... Keep fighting until apartheid is vanquished from your soil.
当然！巴勒斯坦将从河流到海洋自由。他们不会也不应该接受比他们一直拥有的土地少一寸。这是先知们的土地，是崇拜者的圣地。与犹太复国主义杀人犯进行任何和解的机会都没有，尤其是在最近的种族灭绝之后。继续战斗，直到种族隔离从你们的土地上消失。
Seems to me that the rightful place for the zionists is Alaska. Go dump them there.
对我来说，犹太复国主义者的合适地方似乎是阿拉斯加。把他们扔到那里去吧。
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An American fighting for justice in another country, whether male or female, dead or alive, is the ultimate hypocrisy. If they fought against injustice in their own country, the world would be spared from additional injustices. Those who wear keffiyehs as a form of posing, along with cowards and warmongers, contribute to this hypocrisy. It's essential to settle matters in your own countries before advising others on what to do.
一个美国人在其他国家为正义而战，无论男女、活着还是死了，都是最大的虚伪。如果他们在自己的国家反抗不公正，世界将免于额外的不公正。那些戴放头巾的人只是为了装样子，连同懦夫和战争贩子一起，都在助长这种虚伪。在指导别人要做什么之前，解决自己国家的问题是至关重要的。
There is ALL reasons to wipe out a fake state which is build on stolen land and maintained by military force. There is no such a thing called Israel.
我们完全有理由消灭一个建立在偷来的土地上、靠军事力量维持的假国家。根本就没有所谓的以色列。
Yeah, that ship has already sailed after the GENO..... Israel should have taken that chance but not it´s too late for the stupid Zionists...
是啊，种族灭绝后那艘船已经起航了。以色列应该抓住这个机会，但现在对愚蠢的犹太复国主义者来说太晚了…
For as long as the US keeps piling in weapons and $billions of dollars into Israel, there can never,ever, be a solution! As is the case with Ukraine and Taiwan, the Palestine-Israel problem is impossible to solve until the United States is taken out of the picture.
只要美国继续向以色列提供武器和数十亿美元，就永远不会有解决方案!正如乌克兰和台湾的情况一样，除非美国退出，否则巴以问题是不可能解决的。
Graham1075, There was a time Palestinians accepted a two state solution but when the Zionists showed they never had that intention, now the Palestinians want them out. What is so difficult to understand?
曾经有一段时间，巴勒斯坦人接受了两国方案，但当犹太复国主义者表明他们从未有过这样的意图时，现在巴勒斯坦人希望他们离开。有什么这么难理解的?
there is NO reason for Palestinians,,,to accept any...less...
巴勒斯坦人没有理由接受任何让步。
Ok then Israel should completely destroy Gaza and the West bank. It will be one state, and that is Israel.
好吧，那么以色列应该彻底摧毁加沙和西岸。它将是一个国家，那就是以色列。
With neither Netanyahu nor Mashaal being in any way willing to work toward a two state solution for the Israel - Palestine conflict it appears that the war will continue forever, or at least until one side achieves a decisive victory and devises a method for eliminating the other - for example by mass expulsion. On the other hand. if foreign interference and support were completely withdrawn reality might actually set in and compel both sides finally to work out a mutually acceptable solution.
由于内塔尼亚胡和马沙尔都不愿意为巴以冲突的两国解决方案做出任何努力，似乎这场战争将永远持续下去，或者至少直到一方取得决定性的胜利并设法消灭另一方，例如通过大规模驱逐。另一方面，如果外部干预和支持完全撤回，现实可能真正出现，并迫使双方最终找到一个相互可接受的解决方案。
The problem is, he has no leverage. In fact, the IDF will just use this as an excuse to keep blasting them to bits
问题在于，他没有任何影响力。事实上，以色列国防军将把这当作借口继续对他们进行猛烈的打击。
In the USA the law use to be (maybe it still is) if you had a land deed then the land was yours. Not one Jew that has migrated to this godforsaken place had a land deed. The Jews have blood on their hands and cannot be trusted. For there are many disobedient and vain talkers and deceivers of minds, chiefly they of the [u]Circumcision
在美国，法律曾经是（也许现在仍然如此），如果你有土地契约，那么土地就是你的。来到这个被上帝抛弃的地方的犹太人没有一个土地契约。犹太人手上沾满了鲜血，不可信任。因为有许多不服从的人、虚浮的人和欺骗人心的人，特别是那些割礼的人。
He knows what he's talking about. The jews are like the black plague on steroids. You can't co-exist with them, you can only suffer grievously at their hands. A plague upon the jew plague!
他知道自己在说什么。犹太人就像加强剂版的黑死病。你无法与他们共存，只能在他们手中遭受严重痛苦。诅咒这个犹太人的灾难！
Now now we have two opposing, delusional sides. Read some history. Before modern Israel, Palestine was a multi-religious, -ethnic, -lingusistic area, reasonable harmonious...under Ottoman rule. These children need stern parents.
现在我们有两个持相反幻想的一方。多读读历史吧。在现代以色列之前，巴勒斯坦是一个多宗教、多民族、多语言的地区，在奥斯曼帝国统治下相对和谐。这些孩子们需要严格的父母。
This is what the fools who are proterror/prohamas don't understand. How do you negotiate with people who want you dead?
这些支持恐怖主义和哈马斯的傻瓜不明白这一点。你如何与那些希望你死去的人谈判？
The best solution for God’s country is NO-STATE. Everyone can live peacefully under a DAO. Governments are relics of the past, impeding human progress, and do nothing to protect their people or borders.
上帝之国的最佳解决方案是无国家。每个人都可以在一个去中心化自治组织（DAO）下和平生活。政府是过去的遗物，阻碍人类进步，对保护人民或边境没有任何作用。
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The only solution to that conflict is indeed one Palestinian state in which Jews and Arabs will have the same constitutional rights. So far Israel has NO constitution and is built on ethnic and religious principles.
解决这一冲突的唯一办法确实是建立一个巴勒斯坦国，犹太人和阿拉伯人将享有相同的宪法权利。到目前为止，以色列没有宪法，建立在种族和宗教原则之上。
We will gladly take the remaining surviving Jewish refugees back to their homeland with open arms, viva Palestine!
我们将欢迎残存的犹太难民回到他们的家园，热烈欢迎巴勒斯坦！
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that is correct no two-state solution to rothschilds Balfour declaration to Great Britain and the US to take over palestine for a zionist criminal organization that runs the Federal Reserve us dollar, used to sanction blackmail countries
这是正确的，罗斯柴尔德的巴尔福宣言，授权英国和美国接管巴勒斯坦，为运营联邦储备系统美元的犹太复国主义犯罪组织而存在，没有实现两国解决方案，用于制裁和敲诈勒索国家。
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Unfortunately, a two state solution won't work. Either a secular or a Palestinian state, period.
不幸的是，两国解决方案行不通。要么是一个世俗国家，要么是一个巴勒斯坦国，就这样。
The bugs and worlds first terrorists can go to the UK. The imbeciles there will not know who or what hit them. Look up King David Hotel bombing and you'll find out who the world's first terrorists are.
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那些臭虫和世界上第一批恐怖分子可以去英国。那里的白痴们不会知道是谁或什么打击了他们。查一下大卫王酒店爆炸案，你就会发现谁是世界上第一批恐怖分子。
Another Zionist lie that Mashaal is a billionaire. Exactly who gave ANY Palestinian or Palestine entity a BILLION dollars? Israel? Qatar? Pathetic reporting from RT. Put some thought into it.
又是一个犹太复国主义的谎言，说马沙尔是亿万富翁。到底是谁给任何巴勒斯坦人或巴勒斯坦实体提供了十亿美元？以色列？卡塔尔？RT的报道很可悲。多思考一下。
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Netanyahu is fighting with all of the Arabs in this war, which he may not win, and the war have just begun.
内塔尼亚胡正在与所有阿拉伯人打这场战争，他可能无法赢得这场战争，而战争刚刚开始。
Israel is finished. Does anyone think Israel can exist after what it has done to Palestine for the past three months?.....Let alone the past 70 years...
以色列已经完了。有没有人认为在过去三个月里以色列对巴勒斯坦所做的事情之后，以色列还能存在？......更不用说过去70年了...
There was never ever going to be a two state solution. That was a typical ziolie used to stall Palestinian statehood indefinitely. The folks within Hamas had it right all along. The scourge of zionism must be extinguished once and for all.
永远都不会有两国解决方案。那是典型的锁住巴勒斯坦国家地位的犹太复国主义把戏。哈马斯内部的人一直是正确的。犹太复国主义的祸害必须彻底铲除。
Given what atrocities the Israeli administrations, its IDF (killers) and the "settlers" (actually thief's and murderers) have been doing to the people of Palestine for so many decades by now, it is more than understandable, that an illegitimate in large parts criminal state cannot be accepted as a neighbor. Assuming, that Mr. Mashaal really speaks for the majority of Palestinians.
考虑到以色列政府、以色列国防军(杀手)和“定居者”(实际上是小偷和杀人犯)几十年来对巴勒斯坦人民所做的暴行，一个大部分地区都是犯罪的非法国家不能被接受为邻国，这是非常可以理解的。假设马沙尔先生真的代表了大多数巴勒斯坦人。