为什么中国/印度的穷人很瘦，而美国的穷人很胖？
Why the poor in China/India skinny but the poor in America fat?
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网友：我成长的地方是一个非常小的贫困城镇。有一家 Meijer（类似于沃尔玛）需要开车30分钟才能到达。如果你没有车，你唯一的选择就是达乐，那里大多数是高加工的食品。
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729R729
Where I grew up it was a very small town and poor. There was a Meijer (kinda like Walmart) about 30 minutes away by car. If you didn't have a car your only real option was dollar general which was mostly highly processed foods
我成长的地方是一个非常小的贫困城镇。有一家 Meijer（类似于沃尔玛）需要开车30分钟才能到达。如果你没有车，你唯一的选择就是达乐，那里大多数是高加工的食品。
InterviewOdd2553
I live in a rural area, about 30 mins from the nearest big box store, and a dollar general just opened up near me like 5 minutes down the road. The crazy thing is they actually have a small produce section. I’m sure this is pretty rare currently and the stuff on offer is very limited and expensive. We’re talking like a few small bunches of bananas, a few small avocados, little cart of tomatos, and a handful of potatos. There’s also a few premade salads and fruit cups. They’re small and probably cost at least 40%-50% more than what you pay by driving to town to buy groceries. So on one hand it’s nice that the option is there but it also is yet another example of healthy options being way more expensive than the junk food that takes no time to prepare.
我住在一个农村地区，离最近的大型商店约有30分钟的车程，而达乐刚刚在我附近开业，只需要5分钟的路程。疯狂的事情是，他们实际上有一个小型的蔬菜区。我确定这目前可能非常罕见，而且提供的食品种类非常有限而且价格昂贵。我们谈论的是一些小香蕉、几个小牛油果、一些小西红柿和一些土豆。还有一些现成的沙拉和水果杯。它们很小，可能比开车去城里买杂货贵至少40%-50%。因此一方面有了选择是好事，但也是健康选择比不需要准备时间的垃圾食品更昂贵的又一例子。
I live in a rural area, about 30 mins from the nearest big box store, and a dollar general just opened up near me like 5 minutes down the road. The crazy thing is they actually have a small produce section. I’m sure this is pretty rare currently and the stuff on offer is very limited and expensive. We’re talking like a few small bunches of bananas, a few small avocados, little cart of tomatos, and a handful of potatos. There’s also a few premade salads and fruit cups. They’re small and probably cost at least 40%-50% more than what you pay by driving to town to buy groceries. So on one hand it’s nice that the option is there but it also is yet another example of healthy options being way more expensive than the junk food that takes no time to prepare.
我住在一个农村地区，离最近的大型商店约有30分钟的车程，而达乐刚刚在我附近开业，只需要5分钟的路程。疯狂的事情是，他们实际上有一个小型的蔬菜区。我确定这目前可能非常罕见，而且提供的食品种类非常有限而且价格昂贵。我们谈论的是一些小香蕉、几个小牛油果、一些小西红柿和一些土豆。还有一些现成的沙拉和水果杯。它们很小，可能比开车去城里买杂货贵至少40%-50%。因此一方面有了选择是好事，但也是健康选择比不需要准备时间的垃圾食品更昂贵的又一例子。
Dumpster_Sauce
As a truck driver, fuck dollar general. I will never shop there again. I arrived to their warehouse 2 hours early, they said I have to park and wait, I can't check in until my exact appointment time. I had driven hard as fuck for 3 days to get there on time. I fell asleep and missed my appointment time by 15 minutes. So they said I missed my appointment time, and I had to reschedule. They rescheduled me for 2 days later. Ok, I fucked up and fell asleep, whatever. I check in at my exact new appointment time. Noone touched my trailer for 3 hours after appointment time. 6 hours later they unloaded my trailer.
作为一名卡车司机，我讨厌达乐。我再也不会在那里购物了。我提前2个小时到达他们的仓库，他们说我必须停车等待，我不能在我的确切约会时间之前登记。我为了按时到达开了3天的硬车。我睡着了，比预约时间晚了 15 分钟。所以他们说我错过了预约时间，我不得不重新安排。他们将我重新安排到了2天后。好吧，我搞砸了，睡着了，无论如何。我在新的预约时间办理入住。预约时间后 3 小时内没有人碰过我的拖车。 6 小时后，他们卸下了我的拖车。
As a truck driver, fuck dollar general. I will never shop there again. I arrived to their warehouse 2 hours early, they said I have to park and wait, I can't check in until my exact appointment time. I had driven hard as fuck for 3 days to get there on time. I fell asleep and missed my appointment time by 15 minutes. So they said I missed my appointment time, and I had to reschedule. They rescheduled me for 2 days later. Ok, I fucked up and fell asleep, whatever. I check in at my exact new appointment time. Noone touched my trailer for 3 hours after appointment time. 6 hours later they unloaded my trailer.
作为一名卡车司机，我讨厌达乐。我再也不会在那里购物了。我提前2个小时到达他们的仓库，他们说我必须停车等待，我不能在我的确切约会时间之前登记。我为了按时到达开了3天的硬车。我睡着了，比预约时间晚了 15 分钟。所以他们说我错过了预约时间，我不得不重新安排。他们将我重新安排到了2天后。好吧，我搞砸了，睡着了，无论如何。我在新的预约时间办理入住。预约时间后 3 小时内没有人碰过我的拖车。 6 小时后，他们卸下了我的拖车。
Impressive_Star_3454
I work in an Amazon yard, and live loads can usually come in a few hours early, get checked in, and just wait for the phone call. If a box truck door is open, we just put those guys on then and there. I mean, don't show up 6 hours ahead of time (which I've had people do) 'cuase now I'm going to get in trouble, but yeah generally just check in and hang out.
Now mind you...depending on the freight we might not have any room on the floor (literally) to unload you because we have no racking in our building...or the belts break....or night shift left days with a shitty hand off...but as far as checking in our building is pretty cool with it.
我在亚马逊的场地工作，通常提前几个小时可以进来，办理入场手续，然后只需等待电话通知。如果有一辆箱货卡车门开着，我们就会立即将货物装上去。我的意思是，不要提前6个小时到达（我遇到过这种情况），因为我会因此陷入麻烦，但总的来说，只需办理入场手续然后等待即可。 请注意，根据货物的不同，可能没有足够的空间（真的没有）来卸载货物，因为我们的建筑物没有货架...或者传送带出故障了...或者夜班离职时交接得不好...但就办理入场手续而言，我们的建筑物对此还是比较宽容的。
I work in an Amazon yard, and live loads can usually come in a few hours early, get checked in, and just wait for the phone call. If a box truck door is open, we just put those guys on then and there. I mean, don't show up 6 hours ahead of time (which I've had people do) 'cuase now I'm going to get in trouble, but yeah generally just check in and hang out.
Now mind you...depending on the freight we might not have any room on the floor (literally) to unload you because we have no racking in our building...or the belts break....or night shift left days with a shitty hand off...but as far as checking in our building is pretty cool with it.
我在亚马逊的场地工作，通常提前几个小时可以进来，办理入场手续，然后只需等待电话通知。如果有一辆箱货卡车门开着，我们就会立即将货物装上去。我的意思是，不要提前6个小时到达（我遇到过这种情况），因为我会因此陷入麻烦，但总的来说，只需办理入场手续然后等待即可。 请注意，根据货物的不同，可能没有足够的空间（真的没有）来卸载货物，因为我们的建筑物没有货架...或者传送带出故障了...或者夜班离职时交接得不好...但就办理入场手续而言，我们的建筑物对此还是比较宽容的。
Just..if you're running late have someone call and tell them, or its a No Call No Show...and that's a hard NO to come in at that point.
如果你要迟到了，找个人打电话告诉他们，否则就会被拒绝。在这一点上，这是一个很难回答的问题。
如果你要迟到了，找个人打电话告诉他们，否则就会被拒绝。在这一点上，这是一个很难回答的问题。
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I used to drive for them when Schneider was one of their carriers. Several times the stores wouldn't even let me use their restroom after driving hours to get there. They are supposed to assist with unload at the stores. I'd show up & there would be one employee that had to run cash register so I'd have to unload myself. Which meant making me late to the next and me losing money because I wasn't rolling. They are truly awful to the drivers.
当施耐德是他们的承运人时，我曾经为他们开车。有几次商店甚至不让我使用他们的洗手间，我开车数小时才到那里。他们应该协助商店卸货。我出现了，并且会有一名员工必须操作收银机，所以我必须自己卸货。这意味着让我晚到下一站，让我失去赚钱的机会，因为我没有开车。他们对司机真的很糟糕。
My dad long haul trucked for decades. He said he always had $500 in cash to pay whatever laborers were around to unload his trucks for him when stores were slow or incompatable with the task. Lol. He had some funny stories.
Dark turn, he's dead. Everybody hug your parents!
我爸爸做长途卡车司机几十年了。他说他总是随身携带500美元现金，以支付周围的劳工为他卸货，当商店不忙或无法完成任务时。哈哈，他有一些有趣的故事。 可悲的是，他去世了。大家都要拥抱你们的父母！
Dollar General has taken over small town markets where people would have to drive probably 20 minutes more at least to get to a WalMart or other grocery store. DG is cashing in on those markets. AND the stores in smaller towns Jack up their prices, I’ve actually comparison shopped with my sister (small town) and myself in DGs at the same time, my DG is about 5 minutes away from WalMart. Hers is about 30 minutes from any other grocery store. Some of the items we looked at were $3 more expensive at her store. Everything was actually marked higher, $3 was just the most egregious. Lol
达乐已经在小镇市场占据了地位，而在这些市场上，人们可能需要多开至少20分钟的车程才能到达沃尔玛或其他杂货店。达乐正在利用这些市场。而且，在小型城镇的商店里，物价也会提高，我曾经和我姐姐（住在小镇）一起做过比较购物，我们同时在达乐购物，我的达乐离沃尔玛大约5分钟的车程，而她的达乐离任何其他杂货店都要30分钟的车程。我们看过的一些商品在她的店里比我的店里贵了3美元。实际上，所有商品的标价都更高，只是3美元是最夸张的。哈哈。
Dollar General is slowly but surely being litigated against in WV. It’s literally destroying communities and some of the communities are growing wise to it.
达乐正在逐渐受到西弗吉尼亚州的诉讼。它真的正在摧毁社区，而一些社区也开始对此有所警觉。
Good for you guys in WV! Hope you set a precedent! They’re a bigger cancer than WalMart was when they first added groceries (imo)
祝你们在西弗吉尼亚州好运！希望你们能树立一个先例！在我看来，他们比沃尔玛加入杂货时更糟糕（我的个人意见）。
They are and it’s due to the overhead. It costs very little to get a dollar general up and running compared to a Walmart let alone a super Walmart. And they are typically worked by one person at a time. They are a financial black hole for communities that are already not doing great.
是的，这是由于其开支。与沃尔玛甚至超级沃尔玛相比，开设一家达乐成本非常低廉。而且通常只有一人在工作。它们对已经不太好的社区来说是一个财务黑洞。
I heard the CEO crowing about how they profit most when times are hardest and people are struggling most. In the same story they covered how poorly the staff are treated (being forced to cover entire stores alone, low wages etc) and that most of the ‘low priced’ options there are actually not, they’re just smaller amounts that actually end up more expensive when compared to regular stores. I won’t shop there again.
我听说过 CEO 以盈利最多的方式夸耀，即在最困难和最需要帮助的人们中获得利润。同样的报道还提到了员工待遇不佳（被迫独自管理整个商店，低工资等），以及大部分“低价”选项实际上并不便宜，只是数量少了些，在与常规商店比较后实际上更昂贵。我不会再去那里购物了。
A friend of mine is the manager of a Dollar General and ends up being the sole employee in the building pretty often but I make almost twice what she does as a janitor.
我的一个朋友是达乐的经理，经常会成为建筑物中唯一的员工，但我作为一名清洁工却拿了她近两倍的工资。
They are also claiming to be more proactive about adding fresher foods to theirs stores to offer more healthy options in areas where there aren't a lot. I'm sure that is just them trying to save face. It is a serious problem. When I lived in a poor area of Minneapolis the only places I could walk to were a sketchy bodega, a dollar tree and a cvs. The bodega occasionally had fruit and they all had milk and cheese but aside from that it was super processed (so was the cheese and milk tbh). I was fortunate that I was just young, not poor and had a vehicle to drive to a grocery store.
他们还声称会更加积极地向他们的商店添加新鲜食品，以在缺乏这方面选择的地区提供更多健康选项。我确信这只是他们试图挽回形象。这是一个严重的问题。当我住在明尼阿波利斯的一个贫困地区时，我唯一能走路去的地方是一个可疑的小杂货店、一家美元树和一家CVS。那间小杂货店偶尔会有水果，它们都有牛奶和奶酪，但除此之外全都是超加工食品（说实话奶酪和牛奶也是）。我很幸运当时年轻而不是贫穷，并且有车可以开去杂货店购物。
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In case someone hasn't mentioned it, definitely watch John Oliver's segment on Dollar Stores. They suck for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, but for so many other reasons too.
如果还没有人提到，一定要看看 John Oliver 关于达乐的片段。他们之所以糟糕，是因为本帖中提到的所有原因，还有很多其他原因。
What's so bad about having to drive 20 minutes? Obviously if you live far away from stuff you need a car anyway and can just drive there. Like I grew up in a remote mountain in the Countryside. Had a grand total of 2 neighbors. Nearest two grocery stores was a 20 minute drive away or 20km away. Yeah the sextion wasn't great or anything and definitely not as cheap as some other larger chains that can afford to keep prices lower because of more customers, but it wasn't insanely expensive or anything. My mom would go grocery shopping there after work once a week or once every other week because she worked in the village the grocery store was in. We always had healthy food growing up. Yeah maybe not fresh produce with everything but that wasn't needed either. Like we'd have canned food every now and then and meat and potatoes were a staple, ao were fish sticks and casseroles. My parents weren't wealthy or anything, but we still had fairly healthy food on the table.
为什么要开车 20 分钟会有什么不好？显然，如果你住得离需要的东西很远，你需要一辆车，就可以直接开过去。比如我在一个偏远的山上长大。只有两个邻居。最近的两个杂货店要么是 20 分钟的车程，要么是 20 公里的距离。是的，选择不是很好，肯定不像其他顾客更多的大型连锁店那样能保持价格更低，但也不是非常昂贵。我妈妈会在工作之后每周或每隔一周去那里买杂货，因为她在村里工作。我们一直都有健康食品。除了水果，我们的主食是罐头食品，还有肉和土豆，以及鱼条和烩菜。我的父母并不富裕，但我们的餐桌上仍然有相当健康的食物。
It's quite fascinating how you entirely missed the point because you were too focused on making it about you...
Choosing to live in a very rural, remote area far from everything is entirely different from having a shitty discount chain move in and replace all your actual groceries. If you move to that rural area far away from everything, you're prepared to drive for your groceries. In the latter situation, you may not have time or fuel money to drive 40 minutes every time you need to pick up some groceries. And do remember that the topic of this post is about poverty.
非常有趣的是，你完全忽略了重点，因为你过于专注于把它变成关于你自己的事情……选择住在远离一切的非常农村地区，与让一个糟糕的折扣连锁店搬进来取代所有实际的杂货是完全不同的事情。如果你搬到远离一切的农村地区，你已经为买杂货做好了准备。在后一种情况下，你可能没有时间或汽油钱每次都开 40 分钟的车去买些杂货。请记住，这篇文章的主题是关于贫困的。
I've been poor. I've moved away from places to new places, precisely because I was poor and didn't have work opportunities out in the countryside where I used to live. What I don't get is why people don't find ways to scrap some money together and move if the place they live isn't liveable anymore. I scraped money together doing odd jobs because I was poor and moved.
我一直很穷。我搬离过很多地方，因为我很穷，在我曾经生活的农村地区没有工作机会。我不明白的是，为什么人们不想办法筹集一些钱并搬家，如果他们所住的地方已经不适合居住了。我做零工筹集了一些钱，因为我很穷，然后搬了家。
If you're so poor you can barely make ends meet, you're unlikely to be able to get into a nicer area these days. Also people can get quite attached to their homes. It's quite a brutal upheaval to have to give up your home while grinding yourself to the bone in order to try to move somewhere a bit better. And that doesn't get into moving far away from family, including people who might be under your care, and more. It could help you a lot to learn to see people's experiences outside your own.
如果你非常贫困，勉强维持生计，现在你很难进入更好的地区。而且人们可能会对自己的家产生很强的依恋。为了试图搬到更好的地方，不得不放弃自己的家，同时过度劳累，这是一场相当残酷的剧变。还有离开家人，包括那些可能需要你照顾的人等等。学会看到别人的经历，可以帮助你很多。
There are plenty of small towns and villages that are affordable to live in that aren't necessarily nice areas but have accessible jobs and shops. I've had to give up plenty of homes and grind like crazy to turn my life around but it was worth it. I've been willing to move cross country for opportunities. I've had to move away from family too, just to have a good job. That's just life. It was either stay poor or move away someplace that offered me a good job even if it was on the other side of the country. I guess some people rather stay with family even if it means being poor though. That's their choice. If there's one thing I know is that sacrifices are often required. I guess some people would rather sacrifice good job opportunities to not have to move and stay with family. That's their choice of course.
有很多小镇和村庄，生活成本相对较低，虽然不一定是好地区，但有可靠的工作和商店。我曾经不得不放弃很多房子，努力奋斗才能改变我的生活，但这是值得的。我愿意为了机会而搬到跨越整个国家的地方。我也不得不离开家人，只是为了找一份好工作。这就是生活。要么继续贫穷，要么搬到其他地方找到给我提供好工作的机会，即使那个地方在国家的另一边。我猜有些人宁愿和家人在一起，即使意味着贫困。这是他们的选择。有一件事我知道，就是通常需要做出牺牲。我猜有些人宁愿放弃好的工作机会，不搬家，与家人在一起。当然，这是他们的选择。
People on Reddit like to pretend that people like you don't exist. That poverty is some inescapable thing that happens to people by chance.
Don't sweat it if you continue to get down voted for telling your story. You just don't fit into their political narrative.
Reddit上的人喜欢假装像你这样的人不存在。他们认为贫困是一种无法逃脱的巧合。如果你因为讲述自己的故事而继续被踩，不要担心。你只是不符合他们的政治叙事而已。
Yeah I'm aware. As long as you're not disabled and unable to work, you can move. It's just a matter of will at that point.
I used to tell myself lame stories when I was broke and poor that I couldn't find work and that I was unable to work. Like I get it. People get stuck in a defeatist mindset. I did too. Then I broke that mentality and now I work and I'm no longer poor, so I think that goes for any able bodied able minded person.
是的，我知道。只要你没有残疾而无法工作，你就可以搬家。这只是一个意愿问题。 当我一贫如洗的时候，我经常对自己编造一些无聊的故事，比如说找不到工作，不能工作。我明白。人们会陷入一种失败主义的心态。我也曾经如此。然后我打破了那种心态，现在我工作了，也不再贫穷，所以我认为对于任何有健全身体和头脑的人来说，情况都是一样的。
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Healthy food? No fresh produce ? Fish sticks? European here… doesn’t sound healthy whatsoever
健康食物？没有新鲜农产品？鱼条？我是欧洲人...听起来一点也不健康。
Well, we didn't grow up fat at least. There wasn't the super sugary fatty foods you get nowadays at least. We had maybe salad with lasagna once a week on a Saturday and that was it. Occasionally the frozen American veggie mix with our meat and potatoes. Everyone who thinks you need fresh produce to stay healthy is just wrong. My dad grew up on a farm and they had meat and potatoes and fish during the winter. Little to no produce at all. Our health was just fine.
No wonder people think they can't be healthy if they think they need to have fresh produce with every meal.
嗯，至少我们没有长胖。那时候没有现在这么多超级甜腻的食品。我们每周六可能会有一次意大利千层面配沙拉，就这些。偶尔会有冷冻的美国蔬菜混合配肉和土豆。每个认为你需要新鲜农产品才能保持健康的人都是错的。我爸爸在农场长大，他们冬天吃的是肉和土豆以及鱼。几乎没有农产品。我们的健康状况非常好。 难怪人们认为他们无法保持健康，如果他们认为每餐都需要新鲜农产品。
People assume "driving 20 minutes" is the same as commuting that same distance without a vehicle. Try having your bicycle stolen, too... Crap weeks happen sometimes.
There's being poor in rural areas and there's being poor in urban-ish areas.
Think lower wage workers servicing the businesses and attractions in the city who can't afford saving to relocate the family they support (in 5 years or less as an example). If you've been in some of those neighborhoods, there may not be as much additional time in the day to research how to manage money efficiently for big life changes when it may not be as obvious to them. There also may not be generational good habits to learn from either.
Long way of saying on both the east and west coast of the U.S., cost of living on city outskirts is just as difficult as city proper and may be more if factoring the "time is money" adage.
人们认为“开车 20 分钟”和没有车程的情况是一样的。试试看你的自行车被偷了，还有更糟糕的时候...有时候会遇到糟糕的一周。 在农村地区贫穷和在城市周边地区贫穷是不同的情况。 想想那些在城市中负责服务企业和景点但无法负担得起搬迁支持家庭的低工资工人（以5年或更短的时间为例）。如果你曾经身处其中的一些社区，也许你在一天中没有太多额外时间去研究如何有效管理金钱以进行重大的生活变化，因为对他们来说可能并不那么明显。他们也可能没有世代相传的良好习惯可以学习。 长话短说，在美国东西海岸，城市郊区的生活成本和城市本身一样困难，甚至可能更加困难，如果考虑到“时间就是金钱”的格言。
They are in different situations and lifestyles.
People struggling to get enough food to eat will be skinny
People with poor access to healthy food options, poor education and time-poor will often end up overweight.
他们处于不同的处境和生活方式。 努力获取足够食物以维持生存的人会瘦 那些没有健康食品选择、缺乏教育和时间的人往往会变得超重。