QA问答：为什么我们印度这么贫穷，但购买汽车却比发达国家更加昂贵？KB的回答却被许多人反驳
Why are cars in India not cheaper compared to wealthy countries despite Indians being poorer?
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KB的回答：这可能会让你感到惊讶，但一个国家越富裕，其“必需品篮子”中的物品就需要越多，这意味着在富裕国家-物品价格实惠，被归类为必需品，在贫穷国家被归类为奢侈品。以汽车为例......
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Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
This may come as a surprise to you but
The Wealthier a country is - the more Items it has in its “Essentials Basket”
This means in Wealthier Countries - Items are so affordable that they are classified as Essentials which are classified as Luxuries in Poorer Countries.
Take for Example a Car
In US a Standard Car can be purchased with 6 Months Median Professional Income
In India a Standard Car can be purchased with Minimum 30 Months Median Professional Income
In Canada a standard House can be purchased with 5.5 Years of Median Income
In India a Standard House can be purchased with 16 years of Median Income
In India you have a Lot of Govt Expenditure to offset which you have to charge a lot of taxes causing a Manufactured Product costing Rs. 96,000/- to sell for Rs. 4,71,000/- retail and on road.
This is 500%
In US the figure is 124%
In China the figure is 330%
Even in the Prosperous China - The Costs are more expensive when compared the USA.
这可能会让你感到惊讶，但
一个国家越富裕，其“必需品篮子”中的物品就需要越多
这意味着在富裕国家-物品价格实惠，被归类为必需品，在贫穷国家被归类为奢侈品。
以汽车为例
在美国，一辆普通汽车可以用6个月的工资收入购买（以社会工资中位数计算）
在印度，最低需要30个月的工资才能购买同样的汽车（以社会工资中位数计算）
在加拿大，中等收入者可以用5.5年的购买标准住房
在印度，中等收入者需要用16年的收入才能购买
在印度，我们有大量的政府支出需要支付，所以他们必须收取大量税款，导致成本为9600卢比的制成品在零售市场上的售价为4.71万卢比。
这是500%的增幅。
在美国，这一数字为124%
在中国，这一数字为330%
即使在繁荣的中国，与美国相比，价格也更贵。
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There was a time when ice cream was classified by the Indian government as a “luxury product”!
Tell that to the vendors, dispensing some cold relief from the burning sun, with their pushcarts in the city streets today.
曾经有一段时间，冰淇淋被印度政府列为“奢侈品”！
把这个告诉那些在城市街头用推车为大家提供清凉解暑的摊贩吧。
That's why I hate Central planners with a burning passion. Slavery can have multiple magnitudes, and controlling what people can make, how much they can make, what they can charge for it and how much of it will be taken away from them is one of them.
这就是为什么我对中央规划者恨之入骨的原因。奴隶制可以有多种控制手段，控制人们可以赚什么钱，他们可以赚多少钱，他们可以收取什么费用，以及其中有多少将被剥夺。
because the govt wants to suck you dry for the crime of wanting to live a better life.
While they live in luxury on your money, with marble tabletops in offices, and a beavy of attendants 24 x 7
因为政府想把你吸干，因为你犯了想要过上更好生活的罪。
他们靠你的钱过着奢华的生活，办公室里有大理石桌面，还有一群24x7的服务员
Exchange rates fixed on the speculations, rather than buying capacity for different currencies, a major factor rather than taxation,I'm not very professional, but I saw an article some time ago that explained the deviation between India's GDP and PPP. I think this is the key.
这是汇率的问题，是不同货币的购买能力差异，这才是主要原因，而不是税收。我不是非常专业，但是前段时间看到一篇文章，阐述了印度的GDP和PPP的偏离，我认为这个才是关键。
Sorry, Mr. KB, I cannot agree with your opinion this time
You cannot attribute all problems to the corruption of individual government officials, although this problem is indeed serious.
Cars and home appliances are all expensive to buy in India, and as long as they are not made locally (or simply assembled locally), they are surprisingly expensive.
I initially thought it was a tax issue and the government was too greedy, but I found that such things were still expensive in the duty-free shops at Delhi Airport. Once the rupee is converted into US dollars, half of its value appears to be wiped out.
Through studying international trade and economics, I think this is a problem with India's wealth structure. The purchasing power of the rupee is okay when it is used to buy local products, but when it comes to buying foreign products, its purchasing power is very poor. Because our local products are mainly low-end products, such as grain and ore, they lack competitiveness and are difficult to exchange for enough dollars in the international market. This makes the international purchasing power of the rupee much lower than its domestic purchasing power.
很抱歉，KB先生，这次我不能认同你的意见
你不能把所有的问题都归为政府官员个人的腐败，虽然这个问题确实很严重。
印度购买汽车、家用电器、都很昂贵，只要是非本土制造的（或者仅仅是本土组装的），他们都出奇的昂贵。
我起初以为这是税收的问题，政府过于贪婪，但是我发现在德里机场的免税店里，这类东西的价格依然昂贵。一旦卢比兑换为美元计价，卢比的价值似乎就被蒸发了一半。
通过对国际贸易和经济学的学习，我认为这是印度财富结构的问题。卢比用于购买本土产品时购买力还可以，但是购买外国产品时，购买力很差。因为我们的本土产品主要是一些低端产品，例如粮食和矿石，他们缺乏竞争力，很难在国际市场上换到足够的美元。这使得卢比的国际购买力远低于国内购买力。
In politics became a huge wealth accumulating enterprise, I don't know their salary is taxable, the remaining earnings are absolutely non taxable..
That's why I feel happy while seeing the huge quantities of cash unearthed by ED from the homes of opposition parties’s leaders. Even though it's vendetta politics by Modi, common man will be erupting in joy.
But I don't know any political leader convicted and sent to jail in the last 8 years, except Lalu.
Another surprising thing is in UP, there's no raid on SP and BSP leaders, why? Are they not corrupt?
在政治中，一个企业积累了大量的财富，我不知道他们的薪水是否应纳税，但剩下的其他收入绝对是不纳税的...
这就是为什么我看到执政党领导人的住宅里被印度执法部门搜出大量现金时感到高兴。即使这是莫迪的报复性政治行动，普通人也会欢欣鼓舞。
但我不知道在过去的8年里是否有任何政治领导人被定罪并被送进监狱，除了拉鲁。另一个令人惊讶的事情是在北方邦，警察从没有对社会党和印度社会党领导人进行突袭，为什么？难道他们不腐败吗？
The fact is you have to do corruption in India to win an election. Let’s assume you are normal employee working 9 to 5 job. Will you go for any election campaign? Or to attend rally of any polititian? I don’t think so. Only free people or poor people go there. They don’t come for free. You have to give some money, food, transportation etc.
I consider AAP as one of the most honest political party in India. They declare each and every penny of donation. But we see what is happening to them. Almost the entire leadership is sent to jail. The irony is they are sent to jail under corruption charges where the government hasn’t found even a single penny. Modi doesn’t condier BSP and SP as opponent. When need arise, those people will support Modi and this is the case with many other parties.
Modi endlessy talk about various corruption under congress but couldn’t send even a single minister from congress era to jail. On the other hand, whoever joins BJP becomes clean and all the cases are dropped against them.
事实上，在印度，你必须通过腐败才能赢得选举。假设你是朝九晚五工作的普通员工。你会参加任何竞选活动吗？或者参加任何政治家的集会吗？我不这么认为。只有自由人或穷人才能去做这些。他们不是免费来的，你必须给一些钱、食物、交通补贴等。
我认为公民党是印度最诚实的政党之一，他们公开申报每一分钱的捐款。但我们看到了他们身上发生的事情。几乎整个领导层都被送进了监狱。具有讽刺意味的是，他们因腐败指控而被送进监狱，而政府一分钱证据也没找到。
莫迪并不认为BSP和SP是对手，当需要的时候，这些人会支持莫迪，许多其他政党也是如此。
莫迪不停地谈论国大党时期的各种腐败行为，但却无法将国大党时期的任何一位部长送进监狱。另一方面，任何加入人民党的人都会变得清白，所有针对他们的案件都会被撤销。
Yes, I agree with you.
Now electoral bonds also introduced.
是的，我同意你的看法。
现在他们引入了选举债券。
Even curd and lassi have become a luxury in my country…
在我的国家，连豆腐和拉西都成了奢侈品…
But in wealthy Singapore, Cars are costlier than in India
但在富裕的新加坡，汽车的价格比印度高
That's an exception because it's too wealthy and too small. Everyone there could afford multiple cars and the population density is too high. Singapore is basically the same size as East Delhi.
这是一个例外，因为它太富有了，也太小了。那里的每个人都能买得起多辆车，而且人口密度太高。新加坡的面积与东德里基本相同。
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car is cheaper in Delhi than most of other Indian States
德里的汽车比印度其他大多数州都便宜
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Cars are treated as luxury items in India and hence are levied with 28% GST. Also add road tax to that which make it much more costly.
汽车在印度被视为奢侈品，因此征收28%的商品及服务税。此外，还增加了道路税，这使其成本高得多。
India’s taxation system may be regarded as tax terrorism.
印度的税收制度可能被视为税收恐怖主义。
How come the Crypto Lawyer/ Banker/ Author/etc etc says “Even in the Prosperous China - The Costs are more expensive when compared the USA.”, when he should be defending his Viral Masters ? If they are so Prosperous then every1 should have full freedom & cheaper goods, not Suppressed.
看看KB这位律师/银行家/作者是如何说的：“即使在繁荣的中国——与美国相比，成本也更昂贵。”他应该是在为他的BD主人辩护吧？如果他们如此繁荣，那么每个人都应该享有充分的自由和更便宜的商品，而不是受到压制。
In India everything is corrupt the burden comes only on the middle class who dreamt of buying a car .
Huge cost above all 28% GST + road tax + All. Kind of cesses+ insurance
Not for the rich class…..
Huge disparity due to the planning commission
When we compare the countries check the per capita income also
在印度，一切都是腐败的。负担只落在梦想买车的中产阶级身上。
巨大的成本，高于所有商品的28%服务税+道路税+所有。繁琐的流程+保险
不影响富人阶层…。。
由于规划委员会导致了巨大的差距
当我们比较新加坡这样的国家的价格时，还要查看下人均收入。
We don't have road or parking space for all the vehicles.
Govt adopts a policy more cars means more revenue.
Dust,noise,vehicular emmission of cars damages health of humans
Who cares for humans revenue is important.
我们没有足够的道路或停车位容纳所有的车辆。
政府采取的政策是更多的汽车意味着更多的收入。
车辆产生的尘土、噪音和排放物对人类的健康造成了损害，
谁会关心人类，收入才是重要的。
The answer is not totally correct because eith a population of 1.3 billion there may be 50 million who have disposable income that can afford to buy any car.Plus eith Amazon and Flipkart and others and Banks offering car loans to general public more and more people are capable.
答案并不完全正确，因为在13亿人口中，可能有5000万人买得起汽车。再加上亚马逊、Flipkart和其他公司以及向公众提供汽车贷款的银行，买得起的人会再多一点。
Health care?
医疗保健？
· 10mo
“In Canada, a standard House can be purchased with 5.5 Years of Median Income”
As a Canadian, I can assure you that nothing can be further from the truth - Canada has among the worst house price-to-income ratios among developed countries
Average house price in Canada in 2022: CAD 704,000
Average Canadian income in 2022: CAD 61,119.24
So its close to 12 years of median income
Also, note that bulk of Canada is uninhabitable and way too cold - the majority of the people live in and around 3 cities - Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal where the housing scenario is even worse”
“在加拿大，中等收入的人可以用5.5年的收入买一套标准住房”
作为一名加拿大人，我可以向你保证，没有什么比这更偏离事实了——加拿大是发达国家中房价收入比最差的国家之一
2022年加拿大平均房价：70.4万加元
2022年加拿大平均收入：61119.24加元
所以它接近12年的中等收入
此外，请注意，加拿大大部分地区不适合居住，因为太冷了——大多数人居住在温哥华、多伦多和蒙特利尔这三个城市及其周围，这些城市的住房更贵。”
I used $ 96220 = CAD 131220
That's 5.5 Years of Median Income
I also used 704000 CAD
我用了96220美元=131220加元
这是5.5年的收入中位数
我也使用了704000加元这个数据
That’s median household income not median individual income
Why use household income for Canada when for US and India you are using individual professional income ? That’s misleading
Also the numbers from Statista are in Canadian dollars not US dollars, so you are essentially bumping up the numbers by around 40% by converting currency twice
Here’s the screenshot from Statista, the numbers clearly are in Canadian dollars as mentioned
这是家庭收入中位数，而不是个人收入中位数
为什么加拿大使用家庭收入，而美国和印度使用个人职业收入？这是误导
此外，Statista的数字是用加元而不是美元计算的，所以你通过两次兑换货币，基本上将数字提高了40%左右
这是Statista的截图，上面提到的数字显然是用加元表示的
Indian government is a bnchd looter ,where all this money going while we get peanuts in return
印度政府是一伙强盗，所有这些钱都去哪了，而我们只能得到微不足道的回报。
what is the current median professional income in United States?
美国目前的职业收入中位数是多少？
Poor and Rich are perspective. You can have your own definition. For me people in hunter gathering generation are rich. Because, they have time, freedom, explore. Compared to modern society in developed countries people are working more and have less free time. They are essentially slaves by modern lifestyle. To maintain that they become slave of system which sucks most of their earnings and have little or none to spare. People living paycheck to paycheck and 12hrs or more just to fulfill basic needs. For me having car as a necessity is not luxury, able to roam freely is luxury which most of people in today’s world don’t have. In my old days hiking was our daily lifestyle.
穷人和富人是相对观点。你可以有自己的定义。对我来说，年轻这一代的人都很富有。因为，他们有时间，自由，探索的机会。与发达国家的现代社会相比，我们工作更多，空闲时间更少。他们本质上是现代生活方式的奴隶。为了维持他们成为制度的奴隶，这个制度吞噬了他们的大部分收入，几乎没有或根本没有多余的东西。人们打着一份又一份的工，工作12个小时或更长时间只是为了满足基本需求。对我来说，拥有汽车并不是奢侈品，能够自由漫步才是当今世界大多数人所没有的奢侈品。在我们的过去，徒步旅行是我们的日常生活方式。
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Like to read your writing in Quora but not agreed with you this time.
“Canada a standard House can be purchased with 5.5 Years of Median Income” is totally untrue.
A newly built townhouse cost about 1 million cad which is much higher than 5.5 years of median income.
Even a small new bachelor unit in high rises condo cost about 500k cad and the condo fees are usually high.
Im living in Canada since ’71.
喜欢用Quora阅读你的文章，但这次不同意你的观点。
“在加拿大，中等收入的人可以用5.5年的收入买一套标准住房”是完全不真实的。
一栋新建联排别墅的成本约为100万加元，远高于5.5年的收入中值。
即使是高层公寓中的一套小型新单身套房也要花费约50万加元，而且公寓管理费用通常很高。
我从71年起就住在加拿大。
High Taxes to Discourage the Middle Class to Buy Cars
高税收阻碍中产阶级购车
I respect Mr. KB very much, but you may lack some experience in the economic field.
Why is it that it is much cheaper for Indians to buy daily necessities than in developed countries, but it is more expensive to buy things like cars, computers, and drones?
Taxes are not the main reason at all.
For this question, please refer to the article by the famous Singaporean economist Aya Shawn on Quora.
The fundamental reason is that most of India's wealth is in agriculture and services, and the local economy accounts for a large proportion of the overall economic figures. The proportion of international trade is very small.
This makes India's PPP and GDP deviate greatly (the price of buying domestically produced agricultural products and basic services is low, but the price of buying global goods is very expensive)
Because India cannot provide goods like cars and computers on its own. The bulk of the value of these commodities comes from global markets.
All agricultural countries face this problem, and India is not a special case.
When India's manufacturing industry develops to the level of China, you will find that no matter how high taxes are, it will not stop the price reduction of cars.
China's automobile manufacturing tax is 16% value-added tax + 9% consumption tax = 25%, which is similar to India. However, the purchase cost of their cars is almost the lowest in the world.
我非常尊重KB先生，但是在经济领域，您可能欠缺一些经验。
为什么印度人购买日常生活用品远比发达国家便宜，但是购买汽车、电脑、无人机这类的东西却更贵。
税收根本不是主要原因。
这个问题请参考Quora上著名的新加坡经济学者AyaShawn的文章。（连接略）
根本原因在于印度的财富大部分是来自农业和服务业，整体经济数字中本地经济的占比很大。而国际贸易的占比很小。
这使得印度的PPP和GDP有很大的偏离（购买本国生产的农产品、基本服务价格低廉，购买全球化商品时价格很昂贵）
因为印度无法自己提供像汽车、电脑这样的商品。这些商品的主要价值来自于全球市场。
所有的农业国都面临这个问题，印度并不是特例。
当印度的制造业发展到中国的程度时，你会发现再高的税收也挡不住汽车的降价。
中国的汽车制造业税收为16%增值税+9%消费税=25%，和印度相似，然而他们汽车的购买成本几乎是全球最低的。