华为M60 Pro震惊世界。为什么？-网帖翻译-龙腾网

Owen
Huawei Mate 60 Pro may not have shocked the world as much as the news reporting on the Chinese government instructed all its personnel to refrain from bringing any foreign brand phone into government building and subsequently .........

华为Mate 60 Pro可能没有像中国指示所有人员不得将任何外国品牌手机带入政府建筑的新闻那样震惊世界......

Apple immediately lost US $200B of its market capitalization.

苹果市值立即损失了2000亿美元。

So what is $200B?

那么2000亿美元是什么概念呢?

Well, that's 50% of the total Apple revenue generated in 2022. Any ideas how many senators and congressman/women hold much shares in Apple ?

嗯,这是2022年苹果总收入的50%。有没有想过有多少参议员和众议员/女议员持有大量苹果股票?

Isn't that a sweet revenge for bullying Huawei and for holding hostage of their princess CFO Meng Wenzhou.

这难道不是对欺负华为和扣押他们公主级CFO孟晚舟的报复吗。

Nevertheless, I do agree only Huawei know how best to serve an

尽管如此,我确实同意只有华为知道如何最好地为一个服务
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Geoffrey Mak
It's not just Mate 60 pro that shock the world in terms of self development in OS, chips, EDA, GPU, but showing other products that they are launching on 25/9 that sends shivers to the tech world. What Huawei said they planned to do, in building a totally new, truly fully integrated ecosystem down to networks (5–6G), satellites, servers, homes, cars & any electronic devices is on track and no Western companies are anywhere close!

Mate 60 pro不仅仅是在操作系统、芯片、EDA、GPU等自主研发方面震惊世界,他们在9月25日发布的其他产品也让科技界颤抖。华为所讲的计划,即构建一个全新的、真正完全集成的生态系统,涵盖5-6G网络、卫星、服务器、家用、汽车和任何电子设备,正按计划推进,西方公司都远远落后!

KokHin Lim
Try imagining this.

试着想象一下。

For the U.S. to decide this Chip Act it must have been debated at length by hordes of parties and institutions including dozens of companies in the U.S. and throughout US allies.

美国决定这项芯片法案,必须由包括美国及其盟友国家的数十家公司在内的大量政党和机构进行过长期辩论。

Why?

为什么呢?

Well simple. The repercussions are simply gigantic and colossal if indeed this act fail. It will cause trillions upon trillions of dollars lost over time. At least a hundred U.S. and its cronies chip firms may simply go out of business all together.

嗯,很简单。如果这项法案确实失败了,后果将是巨大和灾难性的。随着时间的推移,它将导致数万亿美元的损失。至少有上百家美国及其走狗国芯片公司可能会完全倒闭。

Worst is that this is the last thing the US can do to stop and contained China if this fails, that will be the end of US hegemony in technology. So for the U.S. to take this measure is like putting everything at stake into this one act. Billions has to be spend to build a plants in the U.S. that hinge on China’s failure to counter act. Billions need to be spend to protect and subsidise these hundreds of firms in case it fail.

更糟糕的是,如果失败,这将是美国为阻止和遏制中国所能做的最后一件事,那将是美国技术霸权的终结。因此,对美国来说,采取这项措施就像是将一切都押注在这项法案上。必须花费数十亿美元在美国建厂,这取决于中国无法采取反制措施。如果失败的话,还需要花费数十亿美元来保护和补贴这数百家公司。

Countries whose livelihoods depend on this precise technology and business to survive and thrive have to be bribed and coerce to cut out China. These bribes probably run in the trillions of dollars figures.

生存和繁荣依赖于这项精确技术和业务的国家必须受到贿赂和胁迫,切断与中国的联系。这些贿赂数额可能达到万亿美元。

And all these hinge on one and only one assumption. That is China will not be able to design, make and manufacture this high end chips for at least a generation! If this assumption fail to materialised then the U.S. will be thoroughly fxxked for a generation and it will forever not able to compete with China.

所有这一切都取决于一个且仅有的一个假设。那就是中国至少在一个世代内将无法设计、制造和生产这些高端芯片!如果这一假设未能实现,那么美国将在一个世代内遭受彻底的灾难,并且永远无法与中国竞争。

In other words, there is absolutely no room at all for failure. Failure means China will now totally controlled every aspect of Chip making technologies from materials, to designing, to developing , to mass producing in the billions. And it will do it at a fraction of the costs of doing it in the U.S. which simply means the total implosion of all the U.S. chip firms!

换句话说,绝对不能失败。失败意味着中国现在将完全控制芯片制造技术的各个方面,从材料、设计、开发到规模生产数十亿芯片。而且它将以美国的一小部分成本完成这些,这简直意味着所有美国芯片公司的彻底崩溃!

So after a mere 3 years China did precisely what the U.S. fears most. Their worst fears has come true. The Chinese simply do not need a single technology from the U.S. and its cronies to launched this 5NM chip capable of 5G and satellite communications which also means there is zero possibility for the U.S. to hack it. 150 million orders have been placed and 40 million orders has been fulfilled in a mere 20 days from its launch.

所以,仅仅3年后,中国做到了美国最担心的事。他们最可怕的恐惧成为了现实。中国人根本不需要从美国及其走狗那里获得任何技术,就能制造出这款5纳米芯片,具有5G和卫星通信能力,这也意味着美国黑客入侵的可能性为零。发布后短短20天内就突破了1.5亿订单,已经完成了4000万订单。

This Huawei Mate 60 series including the Mate 5X is such a blow to the U.S. For a start the U.S. already lost 3 billion in profit had they not banned themselves from selling to China and up to a few trillion dollars have been wiped off the stock values of these chip firms from 27th August till now. The melt down will carry on and on and on till the U.S. economy collapse all together. We in the rest of the world call this Karma.

这款华为Mate 60系列(包括Mate 5X)对美国来说是一个沉重的打击。首先,如果美国没有禁止自己向中国出售芯片,他们已经损失了30亿美元的利润,从8月27日至今,这些芯片公司的股价已经蒸发了数万亿美元。这种崩溃将会持续下去,直到美国经济彻底崩溃。我们把这称之为“报应”。

That is why it is such a big deal.

这就是为什么它如此重要的原因。
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Shou'en Li
Just imagine, the strongest, toughest school bully, out of jealousy-turned-into-fury-then-to-desperation, mobilized all possible means, together with his allies, and wanted to kill his most challenging competitor.

想象一下,这个学校里最强壮、最凶残的恶霸,出于嫉妒转化为愤怒再到绝望,调动一切可能的手段,并联合他的盟友,想要消灭他最有实力的竞争对手。

At the high-time when he thought and believed he was to succeed and gonna to celebrate with champagne, and when some schoolmates are waiting to watch the tragedy of the competitor, while some other schoolmates are considering which side to take, and of course there are also others wishing for the competitor to survive, though inevitably with bruises and bumps......

就在他认为并相信自己就要成功,准备开香槟庆祝的时候,有些同学正在等着观看竞争对手的悲剧,而其他一些同学正在考虑站在哪一边,当然,也有人希望竞争对手能活下来,尽管不可避免会受点皮肉伤......

All of the sudden, the competitor came back, with a beautiful, ace-trumping, and formidable hitback, standing even higher, better and firmer!

突然之间,竞争对手回来了,以优美、制胜且强大的反击回归,站得更高更好更坚定!
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If you happened to be one in the school and witnessed all these, how would you feel?

如果你碰巧是学校里的一个人,亲眼目睹了这一切,你会有什么感觉?
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Shocked, whoever you are, whichever side you are with, right?

震惊,不管你是谁,站在哪一边,对吧?

And, if I were U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, I would never say something like this: She was “upset” by news of the launch of Huawei's Mate 60 Pro during her visit to China last month. (US says it has no evidence that Huawei can make advanced smartphones 'at scale' | CNN Business)

而且,如果我是美国商务部长吉娜·雷蒙多,我永远不会说这样的话:上个月她访问中国期间,华为Mate 60 Pro的发布令她“不安”。 (美国称没有证据表明华为能大规模生产高级智能手机|CNN商业)

It’s sort of admitting the school bully US is losing, or has lost, anyway, a real strongman would never be “upset” by a “nobody,” right?

这有点像承认美国这个恶霸正在输,或者无论如何已经输了,一个真正的强者永远不会因一个“无名小卒”而“不安”,对吗?

Dawesome One
Just imagine a country with such low esteem that they continually make outlandish claims at every opportunity.

想象一个自尊如此之低的国家,在每一个机会都疯狂做出不着边际的声明。

The problem is compounded by a victim complex over perceived historical grievances that are often exaggerated and stripped of all historical context — China was and still is an empire that has enslaved and subjugated other peoples.

问题在于受害妄想综合症使然,它们常常夸大历史上的不公并脱离任何历史语境——中国过去和现在依然是一个奴役和征服其他民族的帝国。

Two memory chips from Korea's SK Hynix mysteriously found in Huawei Mate 60 Pro

韩国SK海力士的两块内存芯片神秘地出现在华为Mate 60 Pro中
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South Korean chipmaker SK Hynix is trying to figure out how two of its memory chips ended up inside Huawei's Mate 60 Pro. Canada's Techinsights did a teardown of the new flagship handset and discovered that an SK Hynix 12GB LPDDR5 RAM chip was used by Huawei along with a 512GB NAND memory chip from the same company.

韩国芯片制造商SK海力士正在研究其两块内存芯片是如何最终出现在华为Mate 60 Pro中的。加拿大Techinsights拆解了这款新旗舰手机,发现华为使用了来自SK海力士的12GB LPDDR5 RAM芯片和512GB NAND存储芯片。

A spokesman for SK Hynix told CNN yesterday that it is aware that its memory chips were found in the Mate 60 Pro and said that the company is investigating.

SK海力士的一位发言人昨天对CNN表示,该公司已注意到Mate 60 Pro中有其内存芯片,并称该公司正在调查。

Some believe that the memory chips were obtained by Huawei in the secondary markets and were not bought directly from SK Hynix. Another possibility is that Huawei, prior to the revision made to the U.S. export rules, stockpiled enough of the aforementioned components for future use.

有人认为这些内存芯片是华为从二级市场获得的,而不是直接从SK海力士购买的。另一种可能是,在美国修改出口规则之前,华为囤积了足够多的上述组件以备将来使用。
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The phone is indeed equipped with a 7nm Kirin 9000s 5G application processor designed by Huawei's HiSilicon semiconductor unit and built by China's largest foundry, SMIC. How SMIC was able to produce the chips without using cutting-edge lithography equipment is another question. While SMIC did produce 7nm chips a couple of years ago, they were not smartphone quality and were used for computers doing cryptocurrency mining.

这款手机确实搭载了华为海思半导体设计的7纳米麒麟9000s 5G应用处理器,并由中国最大的晶圆代工厂中芯国际生产。中芯国际如何能够在没有使用尖端光刻设备的情况下生产这些芯片是另一个问题。尽管中芯国际确实在几年前生产了7纳米芯片,但它们不是智能手机级别的,而是用于从事加密货币挖矿的计算机。

The last time Huawei released a flagship that used its homegrown Kirin chip was back in 2020 when the Mate 40 line featured the Kirin 9000 and Kirin 9000E APs which were built by TSMC using its 5nm process node.

华为上一次发布采用自主麒麟芯片的旗舰手机要追溯到2020年,当时麒麟9000和麒麟9000E应用处理器通过TSMC的5纳米工艺流程打造,搭载在Mate 40系列上。

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