印度防长拉杰纳特启动了陆军的Udbhav项目，“将古代战略智慧与当代军事实践相结合”，印度网民骂声一片-part2
Rajnath launches Army's Project Udbhav to integrate ancient strategic acumen with contemporary military practices
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印度军队启动了一项名为“Udbhav”的新项目，将古代战略知识与现代军事实践相结合。该项目旨在应对现代安全挑战，为未来的战斗做准备。它的灵感来自古代的论述，如《Arthashastra》、《Nitisara》和《The Kural》，以及几个世纪以来的军事行动。
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The Indian Army has launched a new project called 'Udbhav' to integrate ancient strategic knowledge with modern military practices. The project aims to address modern security challenges and prepare for future battles. It draws inspiration from ancient treatises such as Arthashastra, Nitisara, and The Kural, as well as centuries-old military campaigns. While some have questioned the project's relevance in today's digitized battlefields, the government and the Army are enthusiastic about integrating India's military heritage with contemporary military pedagogy. The project aims to synthesize ancient wisdom with modern practices to develop a unique approach to security challenges.
简介：印度军队启动了一项名为“Udbhav”的新项目，将古代战略知识与现代军事实践相结合。该项目旨在应对现代安全挑战，为未来的战斗做准备。它的灵感来自古代的论述，如《Arthashastra》、《Nitisara》和《The Kural》，以及几个世纪以来的军事行动。虽然有些人质疑该项目与当今数字化战场的相关性，但政府和陆军热衷于将印度的军事遗产与当代军事教学法相结合。该项目旨在将古代智慧与现代实践相结合，以开发一种独特的方法来应对安全挑战。
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'Junk the vestiges of the colonial era'. Seems lofty, but the very formation, structure of the Indian armed forces are Still following the British. The military ranks, the divisions, the structure are still what the British left us. Instead of Corporal, we have Naiks, nas Subedar Naiks, but most other ranks are still the same...including the stars etc. My thoughts are this: It does not demean India IF we follow the Best of the Brit. military, and the miltary academies. Seriouslly though - Just because they was from the colonial era, doens't make them demeaning for india to continue using them. We still follow the so many things the Briast left us...Railways, rails, airlines, the constitution, judiciary, heck even our democracy and political system. Why the heck are so sensitive?...and we still use the English language. We can certainly develop our our own knowledge, and military tacticts used in India.
“清除殖民时代的遗迹”。看起来很崇高，但印度武装部队的构成和结构仍在追随英国。军衔、师和结构仍然是英国人留给我们的。我们用的不是下士，而是Naiks（首领），即Subedar Naiks，但大多数其他军衔仍然是一样的……包括将星等等。我的想法是这样的：如果我们效仿英国军队和军事理论的优点，并不会贬低印度军队。说真的，不能因为它们来自殖民时代，印度继续使用它们就有损身份。我们仍然效仿英国留给我们的许多东西……铁路、航空、宪法、司法，甚至我们的民主和政治制度。你为什么这么敏感? 我们仍然使用英语。我们当然可以发展我们自己的知识，以及在印度使用的军事战术。
Arthasastra is about statecraft that includes military strategies of gray zone warfare. Military alone cannot do state's part. That has to be done by politicians in sync with military.
《Arthasastra（政事论）》讲的是治国方略，包括灰色地带战争的军事战略在内。仅靠军事力量无法完成国家的任务，必须由政治家和军方同步完成。
I fear you are deluded by your desire to "Indianise" India.
我担心你被你想要“印度化”印度的愿望所迷惑。
印度已经印度化了，如果英国人在这里留下了他们的遗产，那现在也是印度的一部分。莫卧儿人也在烹饪和建筑方面留下了他们的遗产。印度烤鸡，温达罗，果阿火焰烤鲭鱼，都在某种程度上受到了外国输入的影响。
这不是消极的，在很多情况下，世界已经接受了印度的创新和发展，这些创新和发展现在已经在世界范围内标准化了。比如数字符号系统。
我们无法浪漫地让时光倒流到公元前5世纪。即使塔利班在公元6世纪也领先。
整个历史典籍是一个教训，忽视这个教训就是背离智慧。不仅仅是印度的历史，人们应该了解黑斯廷斯战役，或者拿破仑在滑铁卢的战术，日本武士使用的战术，甚至是匈奴的，也许可以读读孙子兵法。
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这种不愿意接受整个世界知识宝库的狭隘性，是印度整个历史的阿喀琉斯之踵，而这位总理不是试图驱除，而是热情地拥抱和前进。
这也是印度许多国防计划滞后的原因。以光辉战机为例，他们还没有真正有想象力的飞跃，认识到他们应该投资自主飞行系统，这将减轻人类飞行员和相关生命支持系统的重量。
他们在武装无人机发展问题上打瞌睡，伊朗人显然已经取得了技术含量低但有效的进步，并了解其在无人机防御和进攻中的影响。
也许在他们复习经典的时候，他们会来到这个启蒙的时刻。
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Either there is khangressi sr official in army or author’ imagination flooding
要么是军队里有国大党的高级官员，要么是作者的想象泛滥。
Limit of appeasement of the political leaders! Atmanirbhar etc are ok. But going overboard on strategy and tactical issues is outright foolish. There was a report sometime back that Senior Naval Commanders were considering change of dress to native attire for Officer's' Mess function! stupidity!
要限制对政治领袖的绥靖! 印度制造等都不错。但在战略和战术问题上走极端是完全愚蠢的。不久前有报道称，海军高级指挥官们正在考虑在军官的“晚宴”上换上本土服装! 愚蠢!
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随着无人机、蜂群、喷气背包、动力滑翔机等非传统武器使用技术的变化，必须从基本的排级战术开始强调，而不是自上而下传授所谓的战术! 这只会让军队感到困惑，因为他们是最先进的。某些将军可能会从多蒂瓦拉政客那里得到一些印像分!
This move is really a sincere effort to become Bharat fast. Congrats bhakts.
此举确实是为了真诚的想要快速成为婆罗多。恭喜印度教徒。
According to a senior officer speaking on condition of anonymity, Project "Udbhav" has already drawn some criticism from some serving military officers and veterans who question its usefulness in today's digitalized battlefields of drones and smart bombs, space and cyber warfare, ballistic missiles, and supersonic/hypersonic weapons. Social media has drawn attention to the fact that successive Indian administrations have prioritised spending heavily on the import of equipment and supersonic fighter jets, despite the fact that the Indian Army has not physically manned a border in the past 54 years and continues to be mired in controversy over odd practises. However, the 28 members of the European unx used to participate in actual border exercises, whether it was Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Ukraine are particularly frugal when it comes to importing weaponry. When public resources are used by one public institution on the basis of Conjecture & hype, appear to be marked in some way with questionable behaviour.
据一位不愿透露姓名的高级官员称，“Udbhav”项目已经引起了一些现役军官和退伍军人的批评，他们质疑该项目在当今无人机和智能炸弹、太空和网络战、弹道导弹和超音速/高超音速武器等数字化战场上的实用性。社交媒体引起了人们对以下事实的关注：尽管印度军队在过去的54年里没有在边境上部署人员，并且继续因奇怪的做法而陷入争议，但历届印度政府都把大量开支放在进口装备和超音速战斗机上。然而，过去参加真正边境演习的欧盟28个成员国，无论（对手）是叙利亚、阿富汗、越南还是乌克兰，在进口武器方面都特别节俭。当一个公共机构基于猜测和炒作使用公共资源时，其行为似乎在某种程度上值得怀疑。
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Indian Army and Indian Bureaucracy are the two british left overs that seriously need rethinking and restructuring. The orderly and peon culture was to belittle Indians during british era which in their own countries don't exist. The divide between subordinate services and IAS / Officers is another area that need to change seriously. In their own country the Bureaucracy is designed very differently and is very much service and policy oriented rather than red-tape.
印度军队和印度官僚机构是英国遗留下来的两个严重需要重新思考和重组的部门。英国时代的秩序和苦工文化是为了贬低印度人，而在他们自己的国家，这种文化是不存在的。下属部门与国际会计准则/干事之间的分歧是需要认真改变的另一个领域。在他们自己的国家，官僚机构的设计非常不同，非常注重服务和政策，而不是繁文缛节。
May be the military should try experimenting in a limited scale applying the ancient principles in resolving the ongoing border issue with the western islamic jihadists from Pakistan&find out how successful it can be before adopting in a bigger scale to the eastern "LAC"border with the DRAGON.
也许军方应该在有限的范围内尝试应用古老的原则来解决与来自巴基斯坦的西方伊斯兰圣战分子的边界问题，看看它能有多成功，然后再大规模地应用于与中国龙接壤的东部“实控线”边界。
Gobarbhakts will say Masterstroke
牛屎印度教徒会说这是神来之笔。
Let the armed forces alone make their decisions, they are the experts not the politicians with big words and small brains.
让军队自己做决定吧，他们是专家，而不是那些满嘴大话脑子小的政客。
A strong leader like Indira Gandhi is the need of the hour who defeated and separated Bangladesh otherwise Modi will loose Indian territory to Chinese agression. just like how it happened 2 years back in Galwan and still continuing in Ladhak.
印度现在需要一个像英迪拉·甘地这样的强大领导人，她打败并分裂了孟加拉国，否则莫迪将把印度领土拱手让给中国Q略。就像两年前在加尔万发生的那样，现在在拉达克还在继续。
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Remember none of that could save us from invaders because selfish us were not united. Every change in regime happened due to someone letting down someone else for selfish interests. So also include chapters on how to be ONE.
记住，这一切都不能把我们从侵略者手中拯救出来，因为自私的我们没有团结起来。每一次政权更迭都是因为有人为了一己私利而辜负他人。所以也要将如何团结的文献纳入其中。
China Korea and Japan have long incorporated- our pseudo seculars have denied us that
中国、朝鲜、日本早就合并了，但我们的伪世俗主义者否认这一点。
i am scared and reminded of the surrender of the Army Leadership of 1962 to the whims and fancies of the then rulers that led to the defeat of India at the hands of the Chinese. The present Army Leadership is worse than the 1962 leadership. Now it proves to be more spineless and has already surrendered its National Duty of safeguarding the security of the nation at the doors of the present political leadership of the fanatical Sanathanic B J P government of Mr Modi. What is absent is the sagacity of a military leader like Sam Bahadur Field Marshal Manekshaw who could stand against the idiocy of any political leadership. May the Lord be merciful and save my Motherland from these fanatics.
我很害怕，想起1962年军队领导层向当时统治者的异想天开投降，导致印度被中国人打败。现在的军队领导层比1962年的领导层更糟糕。现在，它被证明更加没有骨气，已经在莫迪领导的狂热的人民党政府的政治领导层面前，放弃了保卫国家安全的国家责任。印度缺少的是像Sam Bahadur陆军元帅Manekshaw这样的军事领袖的睿智，他可以对抗任何政治领导人的愚蠢。愿上帝仁慈，从这些狂热分子手中拯救我的祖国。
India needs to continuously elect a nationalist government to save this country from China, Napak, Jihadi, Cross, Khalistani and naxal terrorism.
印度需要继续选举一个民族主义政府，把这个国家从中国、纳帕克、圣战分子、十字、哈利斯坦和纳萨尔恐怖主义中拯救出来。
Soon BJP will deploy pujaris at border to recite Bassam Mantras. Bassam Mantras were recited at the time of Gaznavi invasion of Somnath Temple. Rest is history.
很快，人民党将在边境部署普贾里人背诵巴萨姆咒语。巴萨姆咒语是在加扎纳维入侵Somnath神庙时吟诵的。剩下的就是历史了。
in such issues at most confidentiality need to be maintained please. a lot of defence info is out in news these days. the world is importantly commercial. no one is is seen to be interested in truth and justice. example Ukrian and Israel issues besides India's own problems with its neighbors and now Canada. Live and let live is not applicable in the present human behavior. It is, Grab as much you can. this is my feeling.
在这种问题上，最需要的是保密。最近新闻里有很多国防信息。重要的是，这个世界是商业化的。看来没有人对真理和正义感兴趣。例如乌克兰和以色列问题，除了印度自己与邻国的问题，现在还有加拿大的问题。“活着并让别人活着”已经不适用于现在的人类行为。是的，尽可能多地攫取。这是我的感觉。
Who is criticizing this? Rajat Pandit?!!
谁在批评这个? 拉杰特潘迪特? ! !
Best way to bring forth our indigenous nature in every sphere of life and administration. Jai Bharat.
这是在生活和管理的各个领域发挥我们的本土特性的最好办法。巴拉特必胜。
one has to fight war in present day world how much useful old technology will be their is question mark
在当今世界，人们不得不参与战争，旧的技术对他们有多大用处是一个问号。
Like quickly surrender Galwan, Pangong Lake, Goghra Hot Springs, Demchok, Depsang?
就像在加尔万、班公湖、高格拉温泉、德楚克、德普桑的迅速投降??
Use art of war.
用《孙子兵法》。
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Going back to horses and war elephants?
回归战马和战象？
Like two are arrows strike each other and one disappear?
就像两支箭射在一起，一支消失了?
Wow! Modern India! Progress, indeed and now for the PRC to use their modern techniques to take over more territory from India.
哇! 现代印度! 的确是进步，现在中国用他们的现代技术从印度手中夺取了更多的领土。
Can't he see what is happening in the Middle East today? Is he blind?
难道他看不出今天中东正在发生什么吗?他是盲人吗?
Kadi ninda is a ninja technique.. such a waste of time and resource.. defence budget will be diverted to politicians pocket on such showoffs. I didn't know our defence was so poor and a real vishwaguru came out to help..
卡迪宁达是一种忍术……这是在浪费时间和资源。国防预算将被政客们用于炫耀。我不知道我们的国防这么差，竟然需要真正的世界导师出来帮忙了……
Are we sending our Army to Media times
我们是在把军队送回中世纪吗？
Just throughing around new names for publicity .
不过是为了宣传而想出的新名词。
Why project named after UT?
为什么以北方邦命名这个项目？
Pray for the safety of the Indian soldiers.
为印度士兵的安全祈祷。
Wars must be conducted like a cricket match . Two sides would meet at Mahabalipuram with a handshake and toast of coconut water. The toss winner would bombard first. The other side would fight with Artha shastra formula and strategies, thank u Kautilya. Then the side beaten black and blue can site Thirukkural to claim even in war it followed ethics. Wish you best luck bhakts..
必须像板球比赛一样进行战争。双方将在马哈巴利普拉姆会面，握手并用椰子汁敬酒。掷硬币的获胜者将首先进行轰炸。对方会用《政事论》的公式和策略来战斗，谢谢你，考底利耶（印度政治家、哲学家）。然后被打得鼻青脸肿的一方可以在《蒂鲁古拉尔》的网站上宣称，即使在战争中，他们也遵循了道德准则。祝你好运……
We should also re-examine the use of war elephants!
我们也应该重新审视战象的使用!
It is true that our ancient military practices are important but we have to amalgamate these practices with modern day warfare where ever possible.The military war fare strategists should sit together to chalk out the plan and put these into practices.
的确，我们古代的军事实践很重要，但我们必须尽可能地将这些实践与现代战争结合起来。军事战略家应该坐在一起制定计划并付诸实施。
Test
试试。