话题讨论：抵达欧洲的移民人数创历史新高
Record numbers of migrants arriving in Europe | DW News
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穿越地中海的撒哈拉以南移民正在增加。随着突尼斯迅速成为最新的移民热点，欧盟已承诺帮助避免移民流动。
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Sub-Saharan migration across the Mediterranean is on the rise. With Tunisia fast becoming the latest hotspot for departures, the EU has pledged to help avert migrant flows.
穿越地中海的撒哈拉以南移民正在增加。随着突尼斯迅速成为最新的移民热点，欧盟已承诺帮助避免移民流动。
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Many EU countries are in recession,esp since the war started! There are a lots of unemployed EU citizens,they are sleeping rough and they are replying on doles to live. I don't think it is the right time to bring more people who will only be suffering in freezing weather conditions in Europe,at least in their home countries the weather is nice and sunny.The EU should rather punish and sanction governments who allow and perhaps support illegal migration to use it as a bargaining chip against the West
许多欧盟国家正处于衰退之中，尤其是自从战争开始以来! 有很多欧盟公民失业，他们露宿街头，依靠救济生活。我不认为现在是把更多的人带到欧洲的合适时机，他们只会在寒冷的天气中受苦，在他们的祖国，至少天气晴朗，阳光明媚。欧盟应该惩罚和制裁那些允许甚至支持非法移民的政府，后者甚至将其作为与西方讨价还价的筹码。
Including 3rd world's educated people choose the easy way and flock to the established countries which concluded the fighting for democracy, instead of fighting for the democracy of their own country.
But overpopulation is also a problem for Europe.
包括第三世界受过教育的人，都选择简单的方式，涌向那些为民主而战的老牌国家，而不是为自己国家的民主而战。
但人口过剩也是欧洲的一个问题。
lol china will rule Europe and USA
哈哈，中国将统治欧洲和美国。
Have you actually watched the video? The EU's population is rapidly declining, so there's absolutely no danger of 'overpopulation'
你真的看过那个视频吗? 欧盟的人口正在迅速减少，所以绝对没有“人口过剩”的危险。
We need a way to send people back on arrival. If we had a deal with Rwanda or a similar country, then people would stop drowning.
我们需要一种方法，在人们到达时送他们回去。如果我们与卢旺达或类似的国家达成协议，那么人们就不会被淹死了。
Europe needs secure borders to save the lives of indigenous population
欧洲需要守住边界来拯救本国居民的生命。
@RollcageHiggins-uf9nm Wait, now you care about indigenous populations?
@RollcageHiggins-uf9nm 等等，现在你关心本国人了?
OP，为什么卢旺达或其他国家要达成间歇性地关押人的协议? 仅仅为了帮你们解决问题，会给他们带来麻烦的。这对他们有什么好处? 即使你们达成了这样的协议，人口走私活动发生了，如果人们已经习惯了违法，为什么还要遵循这样的程序呢?
你最好提供一个更实用的移民程序，能够及时接受或拒绝移民，并提供一个良好的上诉程序。如果你能让人们相信法律程序更好，他们就会这么做。不幸的是，法律程序是不可能的，事实上，它越来越多地惩罚那些试图走这条路的人。现在，人们比以往任何时候都更彻底地放弃了它。靠武力是赢不了的，偷渡是一场打鼹鼠的游戏，这是赢不了的，对不起。
If only Africa had a way to send Europeans back over last 500 years
如果非洲在过去的500年里有办法把欧洲人送回去就好了。
@no-barknoonan1335
Not our problem.
不是我们的问题。
Good luck on that do u think all those people want to drown
祝你好运，你认为所有这些人都想淹死吗？
yes, i'm sure the thousands of people who immigrate illegally are definitely perfect fits for the high skill labour that there is a shortage of.
是的，我相信成千上万的非法移民绝对是填补高技能劳动力短缺的完美人选。
Was good when he said that he is good at repairing electrical stuff. First you need an 3 year education here to be allowed to do that work and 2nd thing is that we do not repair electrical stuff anymore because everything is made so that you can't get the spare parts or repair it.
当他说他擅长修理电器的时候，那就很好。首先，你需要接受3年的教育才能从事这项工作，其次，我们不再修理电气设备，因为所有的东西都是制造的，所以你无法得到备件或修理它。
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Yeah, high skilled
是的，高技能。
In America we need low skill labor to cut our lawns and clean our houses but we have an endless supply of hardworking low skill people from Mexico to help.
在美国，我们需要低技能的劳动力来修剪草坪和打扫房子，但我们有源源不断的来自墨西哥的低技能工人来帮助我们。
@calidude1114 no we don't. Low wage immigration is taking jobs from Americans. It drives down our wages. Thanks alot!!!!
@calidude1114 不，我们没有。低工资的移民抢走了美国人的工作。它压低了我们的工资。太谢谢了! !
That is working as intended in Capitalist Western society.
这在西方资本主义社会中发挥着预期的作用。
@calidude1114
They most likely pay for more things than they would have to in Germany, but also are most likely still subsidized. They can vote at some point, and direct the flow of governmental money.
@calidude1114
他们在德国可能要付出更多，但也很可能仍然得到补贴。他们可以在某个时候投票，并指导政府资金的流动。
@calidude1114 Here companies ain't allowed to abuse workers in the same way as over there. Like the worker has rights over here and being part of an unx is almost a must.
@calidude1114 这里的公司不允许像那里那样虐待工人。就像工人在这里有权利一样，成为工会的一员几乎是必须的。
@BoxcarWillie42 then work hard to compete with them
@BoxcarWillie42 那就努力工作与他们竞争。
Ehm no, truck driving is not considerd a high skill job, neither is assembling solar panels. It's quite obvious that low skill laborers are in demand, since Europe in general is well educated and has a high standard of lowing
嗯，不，卡车司机不被认为是一项高技能的工作，组装太阳能电池板也不是。很明显，欧洲需要低技能的劳动力，因为欧洲总体上受过良好的教育，对于“低”的标准很高。
Due to recent events even those "rich" countries citizens battle with poverty day by day and are homeless ! Why does European people had to take the brunt of these foreigners competing for jobs in their own nation!!!?
由于最近的事件，即使是那些“富裕”国家的公民也每天与贫困作斗争，无家可归! 为什么欧洲人非要承受这些外国人在他们自己国家竞争工作的冲击!
Could use those ill-crane naval drones.
可以用海军的长脖子无人机打破他们的头。
Such simple minded comments don't help. People reacting with violent fantasies instead of pushing the right political ideas has been an ongoing problem for decades. This is part of what got us here.
这种头脑简单的评论于事无补。几十年来，人们做出暴力幻想的反应，而不是推动正确的政治思想，一直是一个持续存在的问题。这是我们走到这一步的原因之一。
Thanks for paying tax to the EU :)
谢谢你向欧盟纳税:)
@NoidoDev so what’s a solution, I can understand the morality you got there but what’s the solution, let them stream in? Talking about simplistic comments but offering nothing in return,
@NoidoDev 那么解决方案是什么呢，我能理解你的道德观，但是解决方案是什么，让他们涌入吗? 说别人的评论简单化，却拿不出任何东西。
@n7warhound885
I'm obviously not on the side of letting them stream in, but such comments don't make a difference anyways, it's just anger talking.
@n7warhound885 很明显，我不支持让他们涌入，但这样的评论无论如何都不会造成什么不同，这只是愤怒的言论。
So in the EU u don’t need low skill labor to cut your lawns and clean your houses?
所以你们欧盟不需要低技能的劳动力来修剪草坪和打扫房子?
@NoidoDev actually, using those drones do make a difference. And I am not angry 1 bit.
@NoidoDev 实际上，使用这些无人机确实会产生影响。而且我一点也不生气。
have you seen the pattern Boris? no-one wants to migrate to Russia no matter how bad their life and prodpects are.
你看到这种模式了吗，鲍里斯? 没有人愿意移民到俄罗斯，不管他们的生活和前景有多糟糕。
@soreeyez you couldn't handle Australian cardboard drones...just wait for our paper planes. Australian kids are making them in classrooms for the war effort.
@soreeyez 澳大利亚的纸板无人机你们搞不定……等着我们的纸飞机吧。澳大利亚的孩子们正在教室里为战争做准备。
we should train them to fight for European values against Russia in Ukraine.
为了欧洲价值观，我们应该训练他们在乌克兰对抗俄罗斯。
@NoidoDev Suggesting violance is just as much politcs as suggesting anything else lol
@NoidoDev 暗示暴力跟政治以及其他任何东西一样，哈哈。
People want to experience democracy why not just help them❤❤
人们想要体验民主，为什么不帮助他们呢？
they can expirence it in their own country
他们可以在他们自己国家体验。
@dhyeyavyas6257 they can't due to high resistence of dictatorship
@dhyeyavyas6257 由于高压毒菜，他们不能。
@YarUnderoaker how did Europeans overcome their own monarchy and dictatorships?
@YarUnderoaker 欧洲人是如何克服自己的君主制和独裁统治的?
@dhyeyavyas6257 Infiltrating special agents and helping the opposition
@dhyeyavyas6257 渗透特工，帮助反对派。
@YarUnderoaker then why can't the immigrants use same technique and help their own motherland?
@YarUnderoaker 那么，为什么移民们不能使用同样的计策来帮助他们自己的祖国呢?
For everyone Europe is breaking a part a bit. Save Europe then the world, not the other way around
对于每个人，欧洲正在变得支离破碎。先救欧洲，然后是全世界，而不是反过来。
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Obviously it will only increase considering all the coups in west Africa
显然，考虑到西非的各种政变，它只会增加。
it will probably increase regardless because they have a massive population of kid's that grew up in the middle of nowhere that are starting to age to adulthood.
不管怎样，这个数字可能还会增加，因为他们有大量在偏僻地方长大的孩子，他们即将步入成年。
They have explosive population growth and as climate change effects those vulnerable regions more, its only going to get worse... We can't just not help them, but the number of people crossing is going to be absolutely unmanageable.
他们有爆炸性的人口增长，随着气候变化对这些脆弱地区的影响越来越大，情况只会变得更糟……我们不能不帮助他们，但越境的人数将绝对无法控制。
That's not a deal. That's blackmail!
这不是交易。这就是敲诈!
What you expect when roll out the carpet and give them free money
当你铺开地毯，给他们免费的钱时，你期望什么。
One day Europeans will have had enough. It will be too late by then.
总有一天，欧洲人会受够了。到那时就太晚了。
I feel like Europeans have had enough. They just don't know what they can actually do about it.
我觉得欧洲人已经受够了。他们只是不知道他们到底能做些什么。
@IndustrialMilitia Your name indicates you might know what to do.
@IndustrialMilitia 你的名字表明你可能知道该怎么做。
Tell France to free Africa
告诉法国解放非洲。
With median age of 45 europe would not survive on its own immigration is good to maintain helathy population
欧洲的平均年龄为45岁，单靠移民是无法生存的，这有利于保持人口的健康。
They need to rebuild their own country and the EU should make that happen
他们需要重建他们的国家，而欧盟需要确保其发生。
nato is bussy fermenting instability and wars such as in libya whose effect is the rise of islamists and coups through out the region.
北约正忙着酝酿不稳定和战争，比如在利比亚，其影响是伊斯兰主义者的崛起和整个地区的政变。
Few decades ago 'out with colonialism, we want independance'. Now, ' lemme in, my country's fckd'......
几十年前,“带着殖民主义滚蛋，我们想要独立”。现在,“让我进来，我的国家完蛋了”……
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People are risking it all to get into the US, Canada or Europe,
but never China . Why?
人们冒着一切危险进入美国、加拿大或欧洲，
但绝不去中国。为什么?
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or Prussia
或者俄罗斯。
No welfare benefits to foreigners
外国人没有福利待遇。
Too hard work is there….
那里太卷了……
Shhhh. Don’t give them any ideas about surviving their demographic extinction.
嘘。不要给他们任何关于在人口灭绝中生存的想法。
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Western bot your 15 cents walmart troll coupon is ready for collection. Bring your troll ID to claim.
西方机器人，你的十五美分沃尔玛巨魔折扣券已经准备好了，凭你的巨魔ID索取。
@Taara51 bot calling a bot a bot
@Taara51 机器人叫机器人机器人。
What's the difficult part? ...round 'em up and send 'em back. And if you catch a smuggler, jail for life. ...thank me later.
困难的部分是什么?……把他们绑起来送回去。如果你抓到走私犯，终身监禁……待会再谢我。
@ladyofspa no problem with that
@ladyofspa 没问题。
That's not the same, since they aren't illegal immigrants which want social welfare. Ask Zimbabwe how well this works out.
这不一样，因为他们不是想要社会福利的非法移民。问问津巴布韦这是怎么搞出来的。
Politics and laws. Also, the Europeans caring about this being ignorant. Coming up with strong talk, and even not knowing what would actually be more realistic.
政治和法律。还有，关心这件事的欧洲人也很无知，说出些强硬的话，结果根本不知道什么才是更现实的。
@NoidoDev I am curious, what happened to zimbabwe. I am not too aware of their political history
@NoidoDev 我很好奇，津巴布韦发生了什么。我不太了解他们的政治历史。
Why don't they go in Brics countries they adore so much on the internet.
他们为什么不去金砖国家呢? 他们在互联网上崇拜的要命。
They do.
However the HIMALAYA, mountain ranges Myanmar army and Malaysian COAST GUARDS stops them.
他们想去。
然而，喜马拉雅山脉，缅甸军队和马来西亚海岸警卫队阻止了他们。
南亚和中美洲有14 - 15亿“饥饿”人口，分布在巴西、哥伦比亚和墨西哥。然后流入东盟是不允许的。所以红色中国，独联体受到保护。
EU, USA has less difficult terrain in the Mediterranean Sea and River respectively.
欧盟和美国的地形较好，分别只隔着地中海和河流。
Plenty of Venezuelans and Haitians in Brazil just fyi
巴西有很多委内瑞拉人和海地人。
@kongthai... america has difficult terrain too, you’ll have to go through jungles and deserts
@kongthai... 美国的地形也很复杂，你必须穿过丛林和沙漠。
Difficult Terrain- Try East Los Angeles which has 10,000 gangs
地形困难：试试东洛杉矶，那里有1万个帮派。
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@calidude1114 not even the gangs. Just try coming across, it’s quite dangerous
@calidude1114 甚至不说帮派，试试去那里，相当危险。
No welfare
没有福利。
they do. most brics countries have a higher population density than US or other european countries. except maybe russia.
他们有。大多数金砖国家的人口密度高于美国或其他欧洲国家。除了俄罗斯。
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it would be better to hire people to sink the boats out on the water much easier
最好雇人把船弄沉，容易得多。
You cant stop it.unless you stop allowing they work illegally and getpapers easly
无法阻止。除非不再允许他们非法工作并轻易拿到证件。
Raise the drawbridge
收起吊桥。
People said one day Europe will have had enough. No. One day, there won't be Europe anymore.
人们说，总有一天欧洲会受够了。不。总有一天，欧洲将不复存在。
Payback for colonization.
为殖民还债。
@abhijeetsinghdeora9450 colonization doesn't make one country poor. All East Asian countries had been colonized. They're not poor anymore. One's country is poor whether they're colonized or not.
@abhijeetsinghdeora9450 殖民不会让一个国家变穷。所有东亚国家都曾被殖民。他们不再贫穷了。一个人的国家无论是否被殖民，都是贫穷的。
@abhijeetsinghdeora9450 not really this is happening in the Irish Republic, name me one country that has been colonised by the Irish. Try again
@abhijeetsinghdeora9450 这并不是真的，这种情况发生在爱尔兰共和国，说出一个被爱尔兰人殖民过的国家。再试一次。
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@abhijeetsinghdeora9450 What country has Sweden colonized?
@abhijeetsinghdeora9450 瑞典殖民过哪个国家?
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Africans on TV : Europe bad, yay Russia.. yay belt & road china best fren
Africans IRL : All going to France Germany & Holland
电视上的非洲人:欧洲糟透了，俄罗斯好极了……耶，一带一路，中国是最好的朋友。
真正的非洲人：都去法国、德国和荷兰。
Africa is 54 countries and 1.4 billion people. It's not wise to generalise
非洲有54个国家和14亿人口。一概而论并不明智。
@ryanhunter5594 Do you really think they as a whole put much care into not generalising about Europeans? Unfortunately generalisations work, because masses of people interract with masses of people. Don't be naive.
@ryanhunter5594 你真的认为作为一个整体，他们很注意不把欧洲人一概而论吗? 不幸的是，一概而论是有效的，因为大量的人与大量的人互动。不要太天真。
@ryanhunter5594 france ,germany and holland did and do gratly benefit from exploiting the african countries.france alone holding more than 500 bn usd
@ryanhunter5594 法国、德国和荷兰过去和现在都从剥削非洲国家中受益，仅法国就持有超过5000亿美元。
Most of them are from Asia not Africa.
他们大多数来自亚洲，而不是非洲。
France,Germany and Holland depends on Africa resources and it owes Africa
法国、德国和荷兰依赖非洲的资源，它欠非洲的。
@bushlandeast7175 And then left a functioning economy after colonialism. So when did the decline set in?
@bushlandeast7175 然后在殖民主义结束后留下了一个运转良好的经济体。那么，衰退是什么时候开始的呢?
@chillitopo2420 Not anymore. The EU is the greatest aid provider to Africa. West and Central Africa: EU allocates €181.5 million for humanitarian aid in 2023
@chillitopo2420 不再......欧盟是非洲最大的援助者。西非和中非：欧盟在2023年拨款1.815亿欧元用于人道主义援助。
What can possible go wrong with Europeans native...
欧洲土著人会出什么问题呢?
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Nothing, nothing happened to Native Americans when European arrived. nothing to worry about .
当欧洲人到来的时候，印第安人什么也没发生。没什么好担心的。
What about native Australians?
那澳大利亚土著人呢?
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@felixkazteyanoz West Europeans *
@felixkazteyanoz 西欧人。
@Taara51 they don't care hypocrisy
@Taara51 他们不在乎虚伪。
We should only allow women in fertile age for a quick period enough to get hysterectomies followed by swift deportation.
我们应该只允许处于生育年龄的妇女进来，在足够短的时间内进行子宫切除术，然后迅速驱逐出境。
There are 1.5 BILLION people in Africa and growing. 800 MILLION are young military age men. Michelle Pace you are crazy. By opening "safe routes" you would guarantee 800 million young men into Europe.
非洲有15亿人口，而且还在增长。8亿是适合参军年龄的年轻人。米歇尔·佩斯，你疯了。通过开放“安全路线”，你将保证8亿年轻人进入欧洲。
but part of the deal would be that they fight for Ukraine
但协议的一部分是他们要为乌克兰而战。
@C-lp6jb I don't think so
@C-lp6jb 不敢苟同。
Bullets are cheap, whats the problem?
子弹很便宜，有什么问题吗?
This is one of the benefits you got for killing Gaddafi
这是你们杀死卡扎菲的好处之一。
A billion euros well burned.
10亿欧元烧得很好。
Germany has no more places for these imigrants, even there is no enough apartments here
德国没有更多的地方给这些移民，这里甚至没有足够的公寓。
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That’s perfectly fine you all have many empty churches since so many German people have gone weak. Convert the churches to mosques and shelters! Then you can have the call to prayer every day, from Duisabad to Frankbad to Berlinibad
这完全没问题，你们有很多空教堂，因为很多德国人都变得软弱了。把教堂改建成清真寺和避难所! 这样你们就可以每天祈祷，从杜伊萨堡，到法兰克福堡，再到柏林堡。
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Camps can be built by the immigrants themselves just like the Americans built prison camps in WW2. We had 500,000 German Prisoners in the USA during WW2. They were all productive working on farms.
移民可以自己建造营地，就像美国人在二战中建造战俘营一样。二战期间，我们在美国关押了50万名德国囚犯。他们在农场里都很能干。
We need our combined navies in the water, arresting and returning. No more feet on European soil!
我们需要联合海军出海，逮捕和遣返。不许再踏上欧洲的土地!
This is legally not possible. You directly fell into the trap of writing "returning" them to the same country. Then courts will state they might get harmed, so it's not allowed.
这在法律上是不可能的。你直接掉进了把他们“送回”同一个国家的陷阱。然后法院会声明他们可能会受到伤害，所以这是不允许的。
When the Europeans invaded Africa, were they treated that way? Well, what goes around comes around!
当欧洲人入侵非洲时，他们被这样对待了吗? 好吧，一报还一报!
@EclecticRealist
Cry harder, cry more.
@EclecticRealist 哭得更用力，哭得更多。
Let them fight in Ukraine!
让他们在乌克兰打仗吧!
Sell them to Putler's Russia?
把他们卖给普特勒的俄罗斯?
@robertsmith5744 colwnskey fan is here
@robertsmith5744 小丑斯基的粉丝来了。
Coming to a hotel in England near you.
去你附近的英国旅馆。
Who thinks illegal migration will solve the labor shortages is MAD
谁觉得非法移民能解决劳工短缺问题，那他就疯了。
WW3 will reduce this problem.
三战会减轻这个问题。
Britain seems to be a crowded island, so it is better to start with them.
英国似乎是一个拥挤的岛屿，所以最好从他们开始。
So would Covid-24
新冠24也可以。
Doctors and engineers
医生和工程师。
Like that man was so lost. With his skills he couldn't even get a job here so what he sees as something he can offer is worth nothing here, would not even be allowed without minimal of 3 year education and electrical permit according to what electricity he plays with(you can get it faster by working at the same time but still its not a 1 month thing).
好像那个人很迷茫。以他的技术，他甚至不能在这里找到工作，所以他认为他能提供的东西，在这里一文不值，如果没有至少3年的教育和根据他从事的电工证，他甚至不会被允许工作(你可以通过同时工作来更快地获得它，但仍然不是一个月的事情)。
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在youtube上看到一些视频，有人告诉别人去哪个国家的福利最好，所以也许我们应该完全剥夺他们获得福利的权利，而是鼓励他们在本国接受合法的教育，找到工作后坐飞机来这里。就像在他们来之前教育他们，然后在他们能养活自己的时候让他们进来，不会花那么多钱。既然我需要工作13个月才有权利获得福利，那么为什么不把它也应用到他们身上呢? 就像在（芬兰）奥兰，你需要在那里生活/工作5年才能够得到允许在那里拥有房子，为了筛掉那些只追求利益的人，给他们5年的时间不会太苛刻。在一个新的国家工作5年也会帮助你融入，给你一个了解这个地方的机会，而不是最终在那些与自己文化迥异的群体中，越来越疏远自己。
Better to say in Germany rather then in Europe.
最好是说德国，而不是欧洲。
Last time I checked Germany is in Europe
上次我查到德国在欧洲。
They are coming for freedom and democracy?
他们是来追求自由和民主的？
How about entering Europe legally?
不妨合法的进入欧洲？
how about staying in africa ?
不妨留在非洲。
@bpj1720 Yes that works too
@bpj1720 是的，那也行。
How about the Europeans never entering Australia, the Americas, Africa, New Zealand, the Caribbean, etc.? Maybe they should all be sent back to their respective European countries, then we will call it even!
那欧洲人从来不去澳大利亚、美洲、非洲、新西兰、加勒比海等地怎么样? 也许他们都应该被送回各自的欧洲国家，然后我们就扯平了!
How about politicians doing their job and sending them somewhere, and shutting down any institution that creates or supports critics against that.
不妨让政客们各司其职，把他们送到某个地方，然后关闭任何制造或支持反对他们的批评者的机构。
@Pou1gie1 Ask the Turks, Moors and Arabs if they entered foreign lands ? Oh wait they did
@Pou1gie1 问问土耳其人、摩尔人和阿拉伯人，他们是否进入了外国领土? 哦，等等，他们是的确有。
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@Pou1gie1 how strange. now how did islam spread to malaysia? how come ottoman empire conquer parts of europe?
@Pou1gie1 真奇怪。那么伊斯兰教是如何传播到马来西亚的呢? 奥斯曼帝国是如何征服欧洲部分地区的?
Its works so great for France.Belgium,Sweden …. Germans . Its not that simple.
它对法国、比利时、瑞典……德国的效果很好。没那么简单。