网友讨论：你相信神吗？（一）
do you believe in God?
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作为一名虔诚的天主教徒，我同意。只要不做混蛋就行。这就是《圣经》的全部意义所在！如果你是基督徒，却因为别人的信仰而对他们不屑一顾，那你就忽略了整个宗教的意义
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As a devout Catholic, I agree. Just don’t be a dick. That’s the whole point of the Bible lol! If you’re Christian and are a dick to people bc of their beliefs than u missed the point of the entire fucking religion
作为一名虔诚的天主教徒，我同意。只要不做混蛋就行。这就是《圣经》的全部意义所在！如果你是基督徒，却因为别人的信仰而对他们不屑一顾，那你就忽略了整个宗教的意义
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I don't believe in god, but of there is one, I doubt it's anything like our religions describe one. Unless Earth is the only planet with life, we wouldn't be very important to a supernatural cosmic entity. I'm not saying that religions have it all wrong, there are still some good teachings in most of them. I just feel like a god would be difficult to comprehend even to the smartesr people of today, so I doubt religions from over a thousand years ago could do a being of that kind of power justice. I mean, I remember seeing a post about how humans are like eldritch gods to bees on r/tumblr. Maybe it's like that, who can say? But as we are prone to see things the way we want and make things up for clout (look at all the "real" videos of mythological beasts like Bigfoot), I severely doubt any human being has ever seen anything done by divinity.
我不相信上帝，但如果有的话，我怀疑它不会像我们的宗教所描述的那样。除非地球是唯一存在生命的行星，否则对于超自然的宇宙实体而言，我们对它来说并不重要。我并不是说宗教完全错误，它们中仍然有一些好的教导。我只是觉得一个神应该是难以理解的，即使对于今天最聪明的人来说也是如此，所以我怀疑一千多年前的宗教能够适当地描绘出这种强大力量的存在。我的意思是，我记得在r/tumblr上看过一篇文章，讲人类对蜜蜂就像是古老的神对待人类一样。也许情况就是这样，谁知道呢？但由于我们倾向于以自己想要的方式看待事物，并因名声而编造事实（看看所有关于神秘生物如大脚怪的“真实”视频），我严重怀疑有人曾经目睹过任何神性的行为。
Ayo hii as a Muslim, I'm very glad that my faith blends both science and the presence of a higher power aka God
This is nice since the thing most of our non- believing brothers and sisters feel conflicted about is whether to choose beliefs or facts .
We in Islam say, that although God is all knowing and powerful, and science is a work in progress, everything God does and has done will be explained with logic and reason, if not now then in due time, so always seek to learn :)
Whatever you said, makes total sense and I'm glad you put forth a strong and logical argument. In my faith, it is said that Mankind is God's greatest creation, because we are the only ones scientifically who are self aware and have free will, but there are indeed creatures that exist elsewhere and the universe is constantly expanding. The quran mentions worm holes (look up "isra and miraj") and possibilities of cosmic exploration indicating possibility of life on other planets.
If you're curious, I'd say take a look at this, it explains very few of the many scientific miracles mentioned in the quran which were revealed in the 7th century but found out and proven in the 20th century. Kinda cool ngl.
https://youtu.be/J7eLPgc25aE
Skip to 1:00 since you wouldn't know the islamic scholars mentioned and it could be boring fr ☺
Hope it helps your curiosity!
嗨，作为一个穆斯林，我非常高兴我的信仰将科学和更高存在（即上帝）融合在一起。这很好，因为我们大部分不信仰的兄弟姐妹感到困惑的是要选择信仰还是事实。
在伊斯兰教中，我们说，虽然上帝是全知全能的，科学还在不断发展，但上帝所做的一切将在适当的时间内以逻辑和理性来解释，如果现在不能解释，那么以后也会有答案，所以要不断寻求学习 :)
你说的任何事情都是有道理的，我很高兴你提出了一个强有力且具有逻辑的论点。在我的信仰中，被说道人类是上帝最伟大的创造物，因为我们是唯一科学上有自我意识和自由意志的存在，但确实存在其他生物，并且宇宙不断扩张。《古兰经》提到了虫洞（查找“夜行”和“天堂之行”），以及关于宇宙探索的可能性，暗示着其他星球上可能存在生命。
如果你感兴趣，我建议你看看这个视频，解释了《古兰经》中提到的众多科学奇迹，这些奇迹是在7世纪揭示的，但在20世纪被发现和证实。非常酷。
https://youtu.be/J7eLPgc25aE 跳到1:00，因为你可能不认识视频中提到的伊斯兰学者，而且可能会觉得无聊。
希望它能满足你的好奇心！
That video was very interesting. I never knew the quran mentioned such knowledge. And as a side note, the format of the video reminds me of a video I saw describing the lore of biblical angels.
这段视频非常有趣。我从来不知道《古兰经》中提到过这些知识。另外，这段视频的形式让我想起了我看过的一段描述圣经中天使传说的视频。
I completely agree that Islamic texts and scholars have mentioned a lot of science, and it's super awesome that you are a person of faith.
I think one thing to keep in mind is that in science, things are discovered through experimentation or invented through trial and error. So there's a paper trail that exists for why scientists claim what they claim about black holes or the layers in the earth.
Religious texts may claim the same thing that science, but don't explain why they claim it. And because it is written in a poetic fashion, it is very open to interpretation.
One last thing: if tomorrow a person were to debunk the claims of the universe expanding with reason / logic / results from experiments, science would accept those findings (after lots of peer review, further experimenting etc). Religious texts don't have the luxury of being upxed unfortunately.
Just thought I'd point out that difference. I love reading my religious texts for stories / morals / values etc, but I'm definitely not looking into them for science.
我完全同意伊斯兰教经文和学者提到了很多科学知识，你是一个有信仰的人，这一点超级棒。
我认为有一点要记住，在科学中，事物是通过实验发现的，或者是通过试验和错误发明的。因此，科学家对黑洞或地层的说法是有据可查的。
宗教典籍可能会宣称与科学相同的东西，但却没有解释他们为什么会这么说。而且，由于它是以诗歌的方式写成的，因此解释起来非常容易。
最后一点：如果明天有人用理性/逻辑/实验结果推翻了宇宙膨胀的说法，科学会接受这些发现（经过大量的同行评审和进一步实验等）。遗憾的是，宗教典籍并没有更新的奢侈。
我只是想指出这一点不同。我喜欢阅读宗教典籍中的故事/道德/价值观等，但我绝对不是为了科学而阅读它们。
Heres the thing. Religious texts that havent been altered have statements of reality which are constantly being proven by modern science. There hasnt been anything that has been scientifcally proven or published to contradict the quran.
事实是，那些没有被篡改的宗教文本中的陈述与现代科学的发现不断相互印证。迄今为止，还没有任何科学上的证据或发表的研究来反驳《古兰经》的内容。
Uhhh that was some pretty bad apologetics... Islam is like most other religions dangerous when it has power over the state.
呃......你的辩解太糟糕了 伊斯兰教和其他大多数宗教一样，一旦掌握了国家权力，就会变得非常危险。
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Uhhh I'm pretty sure capitalism and fascism are way worse when they have power over the state (as we see nowadays clearly) than faiths teaching morals and values and a good way to life your life.
Also where was the apology? She's clearly happy and proud of her faith lol
我敢肯定，当资本主义和法西斯主义掌握国家权力时（就像我们现在清楚看到的那样），它们比教导道德、价值观和良好生活方式的信仰要糟糕得多。
还有，道歉在哪里？她显然为自己的信仰感到高兴和自豪。
Are you kidding? In what way a capitalistic country is worse than a confessional muslim state? Also what moral and values? forcing women to cover themselves? limiting their freedom to do absolutely everything? Using violence as a medium? Poligamy? Believing in the teaching of a “prophet” that literally had a 9yr old wife while he was an adult? Don’t you see that islam is literaly the only religion in the world that has terrorists? Wake up
你在开玩笑吗？一个资本主义国家怎么会比一个忏悔的穆斯林国家更糟糕？还有，什么道德观和价值观？ 强迫妇女遮羞？ 限制她们做任何事的自由？以暴力为媒介？一夫一妻制？信奉一个 "先知 "的教义，而这个 "先知 "在成年后还娶了一个 9 岁的妻子？难道你们不知道伊斯兰教是世界上唯一有恐怖分子的宗教吗？醒醒吧
1. Islam teaches modesty to both men and women. 'Hijab' means to cover up body parts (both men and women) in a way that won't attract or give rise to lust, because ape brain see nakey brain go crazy. If you know anything about the quran, which you clearly don't, Allah constantly says, "Lower your gaze", not to ogle and mentally undress people, and "Dress modestly" so that decency is maintained and generations aren't ruined.
2. Islam gave women rights to own property and make societal and financial decisions when other religions didn't. Islam says a wife's money is her own and the husband cannot touch it unless she wants to, but the husband must invest and spend on her and their family. Islam says paradise lies beneath the mothers feet.
1. 伊斯兰教教导男女都要谦逊。Hijab"（头巾）的意思是遮盖身体部位（包括男性和女性），这样就不会吸引或引起欲望，因为猿的大脑看到裸体会发疯。如果你对《古兰经》有所了解，但显然你并不了解，安拉经常说："降低你的视线"，不要偷窥和在精神上脱人衣服，"衣着要得体"，这样才能保持体面，不至于毁了几代人。
2. 伊斯兰教赋予妇女拥有财产、做出社会和财务决定的权利，而其他宗教却没有。伊斯兰教说，妻子的钱是她自己的，除非她愿意，否则丈夫不能动她的钱，但丈夫必须为她和她们的家庭投资和消费。伊斯兰教说，天堂就在母亲的脚下。
3. 伊斯兰教是和平的宗教。事实上，大多数主要宗教都是通过刀剑传播的，但真主说，一个无辜生命的死亡就是全人类的死亡。如果伊斯兰教真的选择了暴力，那么在大多数穆斯林帝国统治的几个世纪里，世界上几乎四分之三的地区都是穆斯林，这是不正确的，也是伊斯兰教所不接受的，因为皈依必须是完全个人化的。你也不能忽视这样一个事实，即伊斯兰教目前不仅是世界上最大的 "信奉 "宗教，也是发展最快的宗教。
4. 一夫多妻制： 在伊斯兰教中，男人最多可以娶 4 个妻子。这是在伊斯兰教之前的古老阿拉伯世界实行的，因为妇女受到虐待、被贩卖，当她们的丈夫死于战争或其他原因时，她们便束手无策。这导致女多男少，因此真主允许男人娶妻，并承担起照顾妇女的责任，因为她们大多是不幸的寡妇或穷人。此外，没有第一任妻子的许可，男人是不能结婚的。这一规定是为了保护妇女，但人类是有缺陷的，人们滥用了这一规定。
5.先知穆罕默德（愿主赐福之，并使其平安）在历史上一次又一次地被评为这个星球上最伟大的人，如果你读过他的生平、生活方式和教诲，你就不会否认他是一个真正的好人。他在阿耶莎（愿真主保佑她）9 岁时就娶了她，因为她的父亲信任他胜过自己的生命，并希望在他去世后由她来照顾她，但如果你查一下资料，她在父母家住了好几年，直到成年后才被允许与丈夫充分交流和生活在一起。要知道，这在今天看来确实很奇怪，但在那个时代，人们 13 岁结婚，15 岁生子，最多 30 岁就会死去。
Get your facts right and stop the hate.
6. 如果你认为伊斯兰教是唯一有恐怖分子的宗教，那你要么是伊斯兰恐惧症患者，要么是种族主义者，要么就是在否认。恐怖主义是没有宗教信仰的，但如果你想了解具体情况，你应该知道三K党吧？我们是不是都忘了，世界上最臭名昭著的 "恐怖分子"，人类已知的最大种族灭绝事件之一的罪魁祸首，就是一个白人至上主义者，他年轻时热衷于基督教，并杀害了数百万人？
搞清楚事实，停止仇恨。
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Lmao, oh my god, I’m so sorry for you. Every single person which was granted the gift of a functioning brain could read just the first point of your comment and would feel tremendously sad for your condition. Hope things will get better and you’ll find real intellectual freedom in yourself Edit: also, point 6 is just so blatantly idiotic that I have to clarify; kkk is not religious and Hitler acted following eugentics, he killed jews because of RACE, not religion. Your ignorance is so fucking annoying and dangerous
Guess that happens when you only read the quran lol
天哪，我真为你感到难过。每一个被赋予大脑功能的人，只要读到你评论的第一点，都会为你的状况感到无比悲哀。编辑：另外，第 6 点实在是太白痴了，我不得不澄清一下；三K党并不信教，希特勒也是按照优生学行事的，他杀犹太人是因为种族，而不是宗教。你的无知真他妈令人讨厌，也很危险
当你只读《古兰经》时就会出现这种情况，笑死我了。
He never really said anyhing about KKK being religious though did he? He just put more emphasis on his point that terrorism isnt lixed with religion. Since i keep seeing you everywhere in this threas. How about instead of insulting everyone left and right, use your brain and talk like a functioning human?
他从未真正说过三K党是宗教组织，不是吗？他只是更加强调了他的观点，即恐怖主义与宗教无关。既然我在这个论坛上到处都能看到你。与其左右谩骂，不如动动脑子，像个正常人一样说话。
You're a troll, right? You realize there are more than fifty Muslim countries and only two mandate hijab. Both of which experienced a rise in religious extremism as backlash to foreign influence in their countries. There are absolutely problems in Muslim countries, just like there are problems in the West. But blaming it on the same religion that most people in those countries choose to follow just doesn't make sense. Also, saying that Islam is the only religion that has terrorists is just blatantly untrue.
你是个喷子，对吧?你知道世界上有50多个穆斯林国家，但只有两个国家强制要求佩戴头巾。这两个国家都经历了宗教极端主义的兴起，这是对外国在其国家影响的强烈抵制。穆斯林国家绝对存在问题，就像西方国家存在问题一样。但将其归咎于这些国家大多数人选择遵循的同一种宗教是没有道理的。此外，说伊斯兰教是唯一一个有恐怖分子的宗教是公然不正确的。
I admittedly know very little about Islam, but as a Christian I personally agree with your third paragraph so much. Though many Christians would disagree with me, I think this is so spot on.
I grew up with a very hardcore version of strict literal Christianity. I still believe in God, but I really don’t think there had to be this religious/science conflict. Aren’t we all just working together to figure things out?
Anyway awesome post, I’m gonna watch that video you lixed
我承认我对伊斯兰教知之甚少，但作为一个基督徒，我个人非常同意你的第三段观点。尽管许多基督徒可能不同意我，但我认为这一观点非常准确。
我在一个非常严格、字面解释的基督教环境中长大。虽然我仍然相信上帝，但我真的不认为宗教与科学之间一定存在冲突。我们难道不都是在共同努力来寻求答案吗？
无论如何，你发的帖子很棒，我打算观看你提供的链接视频。
Yeah I believe in god. I’m Native American and my dad has done a good job passing many of our beliefs on to me and my siblings. There are a few things that he and many other people I know have experienced that we would have a lot of trouble explaining without those beliefs. However I do not think less of anyone who does not believe in god. I honestly couldn’t care less in what you believe in as long as it doesn’t hurt people.
是的，我相信上帝。我是美洲原住民，我的父亲在向我和我的兄弟姐妹传递许多我们的信仰方面做得非常好。有一些事情是他和我认识的许多其他人经历过的，如果没有这些信仰，我们将很难解释。然而，我不认为那些不相信上帝的人会变得更差。只要你的信仰不伤害他人，我对你相信什么实际上并不在意。
I don't believe in god. And I also do not think less of anyone who does believe in god. I also couldn't care less about what you believe in as long as you don't hurt people in the name of religion or god.
我不信神。我也不会看不起任何信神的人。我也不在乎你信仰什么，只要你不以宗教或神的名义伤害他人。
I don't! It was one random biology class in 10th grade where I found out about evolution and it literally blew my mind. I juss questioned everything it was taught untill then. Then I read Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins and a few other ppl. It was kinda exciting and insightful to know why and how people became religious and ofcourse how things really worked out in the past.
我不知道！在十年级的一堂偶然的生物课上，我发现了进化论，这简直让我大吃一惊。在那之前，我一直质疑所有的教学内容。后来我读了卡尔-萨根、理查德-道金斯和其他一些人的书。知道人们为什么会信教，如何信教，当然还有过去的事情到底是如何发生的，这让我感到有点兴奋，也很有洞察力。
This is an interesting question. I myself belive in God and I belive he created all things. Now just because I belive in him does not mean I take the Bible literally. Despite what the Bible says I'm not homophobic or resent any other religions and say "this religion is totally and completely wrong because they don't belive that there is God." The only religion(s)? I say that to are Scientology and cult like stuff. I belive that everyone dies the same way. We die and something happens to our soul. Depending on what you belive that's what happens. If you follow christianity, you go to Heaven or Hell. Even if you belive in reincarnation or Ancient Egyptian religion, you will go into that religions afterlife. I think believing in God is not necessarily following the Bible to the letter but more like using it as a reference to learn about morale how you should follow life and find the best way to be at peace with people. I personally don't attend church very often nowadays but I do still belive and I do still try to act in the way God wants us to so I can be in his new Earth when revelations comes to pass.
这是一个有趣的问题。我相信上帝，相信他创造了万物。现在，我相信上帝并不意味着我照本宣科地接受《圣经》。尽管《圣经》是这么说的，但我并不仇视同性恋，也不反感任何其他宗教，不会说 "这个宗教是完全错误的，因为他们不相信有上帝"。唯一的宗教？我这么说的是科学论派和类似邪教的东西。我相信每个人的死法都是一样的。我们死后，灵魂会发生一些事情。这取决于你信仰什么。如果你信奉基督教，你会去天堂或地狱。即使你相信轮回或古埃及宗教，你也会进入那个宗教的来世。我认为，信仰上帝并不一定要严格遵守《圣经》，而更像是把《圣经》作为一种参考，学习如何遵守道德规范，找到与人和平相处的最佳方式。我个人现在并不经常去教堂，但我仍然信仰上帝，我仍然努力按照上帝希望我们做的方式行事，这样当启示出现时，我就能来到他的新地球。
I am hugely religious to islam But I'm not religious enough to force my beliefs on to people or change their religon
The way i see it, if someone wants to be a Christian, a jew, a Buddhist, a muslim like me or even an atheist Then so be it, let them believe in what they believe. There is no need for toxic wars about who's religion is right, each religon is right for their own ways.
I'm a muslim so I automatically think that Islam is the right religon and the only religion for me. But i don't want to pull someone else away from their own beliefs.
我对伊斯兰教非常虔诚，但我还没有虔诚到把自己的信仰强加于人或改变他们的宗教信仰的地步。
在我看来，如果有人想成为基督徒、犹太教徒、佛教徒、像我一样的穆斯林，甚至是无神论者，那就随他们去吧，让他们相信自己的信仰。没有必要为了谁的宗教是正确的而进行毒战，每个宗教都有自己的正确方式。
我是一名穆斯林，所以我自动认为伊斯兰教是正确的宗教，也是唯一适合我的宗教。但我不想把别人从自己的信仰中拉出来。
I’m a Christian and have been my whole life. I’m open to having a discussion about it, but tbh I’m too stubborn to change what I believe. And if I’m not willing to change, it’s not fair to force others to either. That is partly why I don’t try forcing my religion on others (but mostly because people that force their opinions are annoying and I don’t want to be like that).
Basically, I accept what everyone believes and don’t judge them because of it. And I hope that other people treat me the same way.
我是一名基督徒，一生都是。我愿意就这个问题进行讨论，但说实话，我太固执了，无法改变自己的信仰。如果我不愿意改变，强迫别人也是不公平的。这也是我不把自己的宗教信仰强加于人的部分原因（但主要是因为强加自己观点的人很讨厌，我不想成为那样的人）。
基本上，我接受每个人的信仰，不会因此而评判他们。我希望其他人也能以同样的方式对待我。
(My theory of God) I do believe in a certain type of God, but not Christianity let me explain. I believe in a higher being that has created the entire universe through the Big Bang and is now watching over us, as I choke on my own saliva and stub my toe at 3 a.m. no matter what happens he won't do crap.
(Opinion of Christianity) I do believe the Christians God Theory is a bit complicated. (No offense) mine is simply, God create everything. God do nothing.
（我对上帝的理论）我确实相信某种类型的上帝，但不是基督教，让我解释一下。我相信有一个更高的存在通过大爆炸创造了整个宇宙，现在正在看顾着我们，尽管我可能会在凌晨3点因噎住口水而磕到脚趾头，但无论发生什么，他都不会搭理。 （对基督教的观点）我认为基督教的上帝理论有点复杂。（没有冒犯的意思）我的观点很简单，上帝创造了一切，却什么也不做。
(My theory of death) I also have my own theory about where you go when you die if you do nothing good but nothing bad you go to heaven if you do good things you to heaven if you do bad things for example killing a person not on accident you go to hell. It's awfully similar to what Christianity thinks what happens to you when you die, but to go to hell, you have to do really bad things.
（进化论）我个人也相信从单细胞生物到今天的人类的进化过程。上帝在我看来只扮演一个简单的角色，创造宇宙在其撕裂（大撕裂理论）和压缩（大坍缩理论）自身的过程中，这是一个可能无限循环的过程。我的上帝版本也没有创造任何书籍，他只是创造了宇宙，不管我是否因呛到口水而咽气。 （关于死亡的理论）我对死后去向也有自己的理论，如果你既没有做过好事也没有做过坏事，那你会去天堂；如果你做了好事，你也会去天堂；如果你做了坏事，比如故意杀人，你会下地狱。这与基督教对死后去向的看法非常相似，但要去地狱，你必须做一些非常坏的事情。
(My heaven theory) I believe Heaven is this place where you can either choose to roam the Earth or go to heaven and rest. And whilst inside heaven itself you just be chilling with other dead people. However even though I don't believe God runs the place I do believe that Angels do God and the devil are the opposite Angels and Demons are also the opposite.
（关于地狱的理论）我认为地狱是一个永远受折磨的地方。如果你设法从地狱逃脱，你将成为一个在地球上游荡的灵魂，作为一种可能会被人类看到的具有攻击性的灵性实体。魔鬼本人是负责折磨的人，恶魔则执行折磨。但遗憾的是，除此之外我没有关于地狱其他内容的理论。 （关于天堂的理论）我相信天堂是一个你可以选择在地球上游荡或者去休息的地方。在天堂里，你只是和其他死去的人共处。然而，尽管我不相信上帝管理那个地方，但我相信天使管理，而上帝和魔鬼则是对立面，天使和恶魔也是对立面。
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总结：我的上帝像是万物的创造者，他只创造宇宙，除此之外什么都不做。我之所以死亡是因为呛到口水，而上帝旁观。