为什么意大利仍然是G7国家的成员？

SW Ross
Related：Why is Italy part of G7 if there are many other countries with a better overall state?
The Italian citizens should open their purses and help out the state. They have the highest personal savings rate in Europe and the highest home ownership rate plus worlds third largest gold reserves. In addition Italy is the worlds 3rd largest bond market. (Sell a bond or two). Lots of people invest in bonds. The people have the $, not the state so much. That is why Italy is contradictory and hard to figure, it’s a paradox to those who just go by traditional accounting and financial models in other countries outside Italy. The family is very strong. That’s the backbone of the country and wealth is centered around institutions such as that. Italian people are generally wealthy, the government is not.
In the US which is the worlds richest country in general terms of aggregated wealth but there is poverty and third world conditions throughout it concentrated in many parts and has a greater disparity between rich and poor. So in contrast the government and corporations in the US have the $ but the people do not.
Both countries are G-7. The US is largest economy @ almost 20 trillion.
Regardless of government change, which is democratic in itself, they are both democracies.
Which scenario would you prefer?

相关问题：如果有许多其他国家具有更好的整体状态，为什么意大利成为G7的一部分？意大利公民应该打开他们的钱包并帮助国家。他们在欧洲拥有最高的个人储蓄率，最高的房屋所有权率以及世界第三大黄金储备量。此外，意大利是世界第三大债券市场（卖出一两张债券）。许多人投资债券。人民有钱，国家没有那么多钱。这就是为什么意大利是矛盾并且难以理解的，对于那些只按照传统会计和金融模型在意大利以外的其他国家的人来说，这是一个悖论。家庭非常强大。这是国家的支柱，财富集中在这样的机构周围。意大利人一般都很富有，政府不富有。美国是全球综合财富最丰富的国家，但是有贫困和第三世界的地区，分布在许多地区，并且富人和穷人之间的差距更大。因此，与此相反，美国政府和企业拥有财富，而人民则没有。这两个国家都是G-7。美国是最大的经济体，接近20万亿美元。无论政府如何变化，这本身就是民主的，它们都是民主国家。你更喜欢哪种情况？

Gianmarco Prete
That doesn’t mean anything. Italy is the 8th economy in the world, the 3rd in Europe and has the 9th army in the world. Some of the world leading multinationals are italian and it is a strong member of the EU. It is powerful and will continue to be, even though the overall state isn’t that good. Remember, Russia has been part of the G7 even though it wasn’t that rich. It isn’t about wealth (although Italy is wealthy), it is about foreign influence and power.

这并不意味着什么。意大利是世界第八大经济体，欧洲第三大经济体，并拥有世界第九大军队。一些世界领先的跨国公司是意大利的，并且它是欧盟的强大成员。尽管总体状况不是很好，但它是强大的，并将继续是。请记住，即使不富裕，俄罗斯也一直是G7的成员。这不是关于财富（尽管意大利很富有），而是关于外交影响力和实力。
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Fabio
First of all, as an Italian, I would point out that Canada has even less influence and a smaller economy than Italy. Also, France and UK are quite close to Italy in terms of GDP. Even Germany is losing importance if compared to China and India.
That said, while it's important to have on the table the most relevant players, you have the G20 for that. If you consider the G7, you will notice a certain alignement between the countries involved, one which you would likely lose if you included, for example, China: to have such a short table helps the countries involved in being more influential at world level. Since Italy, Canada, France and UK are all part of the G20 it would make no sense to exclude them from the G7: if you find a core group supporting a few key concepts you are much more likely to have them accepted in larger tables.
As for including other countries in the G7, this was done with the inclusion of Russia in the G8: see how that is turning out.

首先，作为一名意大利人，我要指出加拿大的影响力和经济规模都比意大利小。此外，法国和英国在经济上与意大利非常接近。即使与中国和印度相比，德国的重要性也在下降。
话虽如此，虽然将最重要的参与国放在桌子上很重要，但你可以选用G20来进行这些。如果你考虑G7，你会发现涉及的国家有一定的一致性，如果你包括中国，你很可能会失去这种一致性：将这样一个小圆桌的国家更有可能在世界范围内发挥更大的影响力。由于意大利，加拿大，法国和英国都是G20的一部分，因此将它们从G7中排除是毫无意义的：如果你找到一个支持几个关键概念的核心团队，你更有可能使它们在更大的桌子上得到接受。
至于将其他国家纳入G7的问题，这是通过将俄罗斯纳入G8来实现的：看看这项决定的后果如何。

Mario Caillebotte
Actually Italy is one of the three big founding members of the EU (along with Germany and France) and it has the eighth biggest economy in the world (bigger than Canada, Russia and Brazil).

实际上，意大利是欧盟的三个重要创始成员之一（与德国和法国一起），并拥有世界第八大经济体（比加拿大、俄罗斯和巴西都大）。

Chris Bartlett
The G7 is a historical grouping which started in 1975 and reflects various criteria at that date, including economy, level of democracy, population and economy type. So it reflects the overall status of countries from the post war recovery era to the mid 1970s and to a lesser extent of those members to the present day (with the presumed assumption that had any country severely deviated since then it would have been expelled).
Italy may be suffering from the Euro, but as recently as 1989 its per capita GDP was higher than that of the UK. Also worth noting Canada has a smaller economy than Italy. Spain isn't there for example as it wasn't a democracy when the group was formed.

G7是一个历史性的组合，始于1975年，反映了当时的各种标准，包括经济、民主水平、人口和经济类型。因此，它反映了战后复苏时期到20世纪70年代中期的国家总体地位，以及这些成员在较小程度上的现状（通常认为，如果有任何国家自那时以来严重偏离，它就会被驱逐）。虽然意大利可能正在遭受欧元的影响，但就在1989年，它的人均GDP仍高于英国。值得注意的是，加拿大的经济规模比意大利还小。例如，西班牙在成立该组时并不是民主国家，因此没有加入。
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Sinan Ozeren
Well, first of all, Italy is still one of the biggest economies of the world. It is a country that set the world standards on industrialization and sciences. In terms of manufacturing power, Italy is ahead of France, second only to Germany in Europe. It has a somewhat corrupt but one of the most sophisticated banking sectors of the world. So there's absolutely no surprise that Italy is “still” in G7. But more importantly, G7 is composed of 7 wealthy “western” countries that culturally represent “the old world”, countries that dominated the world in an imperialistic way for the last millénium or so.

首先，意大利仍然是世界上最大的经济体之一。它是一个制定工业化和科学标准的国家。在制造业实力方面，意大利超过法国，仅次于德国在欧洲。它拥有一些腐败但是世界上最复杂的银行业。所以，意大利仍然是G7成员之一并不奇怪。但更重要的是，G7由七个富裕的“西方”国家组成，代表文化上“旧世界”，这些国家在过去的一千年里通过帝国主义的方式统治着世界。

Pierangelo Tendas
Because it is the eight biggest economy in the world, with a higher GDP than Canada; the entire economy of another very big G8/G20 Country, Russia, is worth merely 68% of the entire Italian economy.

意大利是世界第八大经济体，在GDP方面比加拿大高；另一个G8 / G20国家的整个经济体，俄罗斯的价值仅相当于意大利经济总量的68%。

Fabio Bellobono
If you had to consider the top two states of the EU as you said, you should only consider France and Germany (considering the UK out in the near future after the Brexit vote), which only account for about 150 million people out of more than 500 in the EU. Italy is still the second manufacturing power after Germany in Europe.
China, India and Russia are huge countries, but in terms of conditions of the populations they are still profoundly underdeveloped and still growing internally. (per-capita GDP is ridiculously small compared to Italy) At an international level, they don’t have that much credibility. (or at least, not even close to that of US, Japan or Germany)
Plus Germany, France and Italy (and the UK for a short time probably) are not there representing themselves, but the EU. (about 500 million people)
I think the role Italy is going to play after the Brexit will be even more important in representing those people (outside Italy) that are part of southern Europe.

如果你必须考虑欧盟的前两个主要国家，你只需要考虑法国和德国（考虑到英国在 "脱欧" 后即将退出），这两个国家仅占欧盟人口的约1.5亿人口，而欧盟总人口超过5亿。意大利仍然是欧洲第二大制造业强国。中国、印度和俄罗斯是巨大的国家，但在人口状况方面，仍处于深度欠发达状态并正在内部增长。（人均GDP与意大利相比非常微小）在国际上，它们的信誉度并不高。（或者说，远远达不到美国、日本或德国的水平）此外，德国、法国和意大利（以及英国可能的短暂时间）代表的是欧盟。（约5亿人口）我认为，在英国脱欧之后，意大利所起的作用在代表南欧洲的一部分人口方面将变得更加重要。

Achal Gautam
G7 reflects the reality of 1970s not 2018. It is a group of seven most developed countries of 1970s.
Italy is 9th and Canada is 10th largest economy and both are part of G7. China, India and Brazil have bigger economies than that of Italy and Chanda. In fact China is no. 2 global economy and India is at no 4 or 5. But these countries have failed to find a place in G7. G7 doesn’t represent the reality of modern world. It is an obsolete organization.
G7 includes major western democracies and it is the perhaps only forum were Westen countries have a free day. They have to deal with resurgent China and India in WTO and other forums. G7 gives them space without any meaningful opposition from other global economies.
The time has come to replace G7 with G20. G20 is a right form to discuss the global matters. In G-20, there would be next emerging economies like Indonesia, Mexico, Turkey etc.

G7反映的是1970年代的现实，而不是2018年的现实。它是由1970年代七个最发达国家组成的组织。意大利和加拿大是第9和第10大经济体，两国都是G7的成员。中国、印度和巴西的经济规模都比意大利和加拿大大。事实上，中国是全球第二大经济体，印度排名第4或第5。但这些国家未能在G7中找到位置。G7不代表现代世界的现实，它是一个过时的组织。
G7包括西方主要民主国家，它可能是唯一一个西方国家有自由发言权的论坛。他们必须在WTO等场合面对复兴中的中国和印度。G7为他们提供了空间，而没有任何来自其他全球经济体的有意义的反对。
时代已经到来，应该用G20取代G7。在G20中，新兴经济体如印尼、墨西哥、土耳其等也会被包括在内来讨论全球事务。

Ron Brooks
I think the main answer (among many) is if Italy should, for whatever reason, no longer belong to G7 then the step (both physically and psychologically) to exit the European unx would be much closer, and the EU cannot ac cept that a founding member leaves.

我认为其中一个主要的原因是，如果意大利因为任何原因不再是G7成员，那么退出欧盟的步伐（无论在物理上还是心理上）将会更加接近，而欧盟不愿意接受一个创始成员离开。
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Paul Ferrise
Related：Why is Italy part of G7 if there are many other countries with a better overall state?
Italy is a country with strategic importance geographically. Look at a map and you will see what countries surround Italy. Italy’s economy tanked with the implementation of the Euro. The Italian economy goes up and down but you will never see accurate documentation. Mattress stuffing is common because the Italian banks can not be trusted. People save their pennies and mostly live within their means because family has more core values and traditions than we do. They spend their money locally and hence why most villages have markets and if you drive just a little bit, there is a farmers market in every other town. So no need to build the major crap food distributors like Walmart and such because the people prefer good and fresh food from their locals and it works. More italians are healthier than not because of this, but I digress.

相关问题：既然有许多其他国家整体状态更好，为什么意大利是G7的成员之一？
意大利在地理上具有战略重要性。看看地图，你就会看到哪些国家环绕着意大利。意大利的经济在实行欧元后一落千丈。意大利经济有起有落，但你永远不会看到准确的文件记录。实行床垫填补的现象很常见，因为意大利的银行不可信。人们节衣缩食地自我生活，因为家庭有更多的核心价值观和传统比我们多。他们在本地花钱，因此大多数村庄都有市场，如果你开车走一小段路，每隔一段镇就会有一个农贸市场。所以没有必要建造像沃尔玛这样的大型垃圾食品分销商，因为人们更喜欢当地的新鲜食物，而且这样做也行得通。更多的意大利人比其他人更健康，因为这个原因，但我离题了。

Vitonofrio del Rosso
whelp this is really provocative..
Italy economy is in shambles due to poor government and speculation, but by sheer size, the italian economy is larger than canada and it’s the second european country in the manifacturing business..

哇，这真的很具有挑衅性。意大利的经济陷入了破败之中，原因是政府不善和投机行为，但是从规模上来看，意大利的经济比加拿大还要大，是欧洲制造业的第二大国家。

Steve Castiglioni
Are you serious?
Because it is a world leading industrialized nation and Europe’s second largest manufacturing nation, fourth largest economy, fourth most powerful military in Europe, fashion and wine leader, and more..
Let me list some names to wake you up:
1.Armani, Gucci, Prada, Valentino, Versace, Fendi, Cavalli, Ferragano, Bulgari, etc
2.Lamborghini, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Fiat, Ferrari
3.Bellini, Barolo, Brunello, Barbaresco, Multipulciano, Chianti, Primitivo, Prosecco, etc
That’s why.

你是认真的吗？意大利是世界主要工业化国家和欧洲第二大制造业国家，第四大经济体，欧洲第四大军事强国，时尚和葡萄酒的领导者等等。
让我列举一些名字来唤醒你：
1. 阿玛尼、古驰、普拉达、华伦天奴、范思哲、芬迪、卡文迪、菲拉格慕、宝格丽等。
2. 兰博基尼、玛莎拉蒂、阿尔法罗密欧、蓝旗亚、菲亚特、法拉利等。
3. 贝利尼、巴罗罗、蒙达奇诺、巴巴莱斯克、蒙特布查诺、基安蒂、普里米蒂沃、普罗赛克等等。
这就是为什么。

Sursumkorda
Because Italy is allied with Us, it is military and strategically important for the us and for the western powers. So US allows Italy being part of the G7, while in practice is just an hellhole country with an awful economy that is by no means one of the most powerful in the world, since the italian economy is only based on tourism, sale of foods and clothes, unlike many other countries like china that literally a way better economy than Italy, The country has also , an unstable political system, heavily indebted country, and not a very democratic country, since people don’t vote their government from many years, and when they vote the government falls and many technical governments replace that government. Also there is a lot of censorship and repression towards who heavily criticize the government.

因为意大利与美国结盟，在军事和战略上对美国和西方势力来说非常重要。因此，美国允许意大利成为G7组织成员，尽管实际上意大利只是一个经济状况糟糕的地狱国家，其经济仅仅以旅游、食品和服装销售为基础，不像中国这样的许多其他国家拥有比意大利更好的经济。此外，意大利的政治制度不稳定，债台高筑，不是一个非常民主的国家，因为人们多年来没有投票选举政府，当他们投票选举政府时，政府会倒台，许多技术政府替代了那个政府。还有很多审查和压制批评政府的人。

Luca Tonelli
Because g7 Is made of main Nato countries.italy, being military occupied by US and totally politically controlled, Will never be expelled.

因为G7由主要北约国家组成。意大利被美国军事占领，完全受政治控制，永远不会被驱逐出去。

Lorenzo Campi
Italy has an advanced economy like other 6.Italy owns the 7th largest national wealth in the world and Canada the 8th.China would be third but it’s excluded because it isn’t an advanced economy . So Italy it’s sixth in the world.ISTAT has soo to upxe real estate values.In that case Italy as net national wealth could overtake France,Germany and UK(especially if £ will weaken).So it could be even 3rd in the best case.It ranks at the moment betwen 3rd and sixth as net national wealth.The first excluded from G7 by net national wealth is Australia.The G7 rapresents more than the 62% of the net world wealth Including the EU that is hosted more than the 70%.That’s why.Money talks (weapons too).

意大利像其他6个国家一样拥有先进的经济。意大利拥有世界第七大国家财富，而加拿大排名第八。中国本来会排在第三位，但因为不是先进经济体而被排除在外。因此，意大利在世界上排名第六。ISTAT还需要更新房地产价值。如果更新后意大利的国家净财富超过法国、德国和英国，尤其是如果英镑贬值，那么最好的情况下它可能排在第三位。目前，意大利在国家净财富排名第三至第六之间。第一个因净国家财富而被G7排除的是澳大利亚。G7占世界净财富的超过62%，包括欧盟，欧盟在其中的份额超过70%。这就是为什么。金钱说话（武器也是）。
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Daniele Domenicali
Why don't you clarify the origins of this provocative and nonsensical question? Should Italy be kicked out of G7 because of its recent immigration policy, in your opinion? Or because of its Public Debt? Or what? Answers could be more easily formulated. As such, this question is the question of someone ignorant of World Organizations, not even smart enough to write "G7" on Google.

为什么不澄清这个挑衅性和荒谬的问题的起因？在您的意见中，意大利应该因为其最近的移民政策而被驱逐出G7吗？还是因为它的公共债务？或其他什么原因？这样，回答将更容易制定。这是一个对世界组织无知的人的问题，甚至不够聪明在谷歌上搜索“G7”。

Francesco Rasetti
G7 population has to maintain a certain average penis length. Italy ranks pretty good in this feature (one of the top in Europe). So for now it can't be excluded from G7. At least as long as they have to compensate for Japan.

G7国家的平均阴茎长度必须保持在一定水平以上。意大利在这方面排名很高（欧洲排名前列）。因此，暂时不能将其从G7中排除。至少在他们需要补偿日本的情况下。
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Massimo Marrazzo (マッラッツォ ・ マッシモ)
Italy is often described, especially in the international community, on the basis of several negative indicators: the public debt, the low level of competitiveness, the nominal budget deficit (which, in the past, led to the opening of an excessive deficit procedure by the European Commission).
However, alongside these data, there are economic aggregates useful for presenting Italy as what it is: one of the leading countries of the developed world, the second-ranking European country in terms of manufacturing output, and the third-largest economy in the Euro Area. A country that has managed in the past 20 years to control its public accounts, positioning itself as one of the most virtuous countries in Europe and in the world.

国际社会经常根据一些负面指标来描述意大利：公共债务、竞争力低下、名义预算赤字（过去曾导致欧盟委员会开启过度赤字程序）。
然而，除了这些数据外，还有一些对于将意大利作为发达世界领先国家的有用经济数据，它是制造业产出排名第二的欧洲国家，在欧元区中排名第三大的经济体。在过去20年中，这个国家设法控制了其公共账户，并在欧洲和世界范围内成为最具道德规范的国家之一。