他们真的在电影中摧毁昂贵的汽车吗?
Do they really destroy expensive cars in movies?
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不。他们做了一个复制品。
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No. They make a replica. This is a kit for a replica Lamborghini Murcielago. It costs $3,000
不。他们做了一个复制品。这是兰博基尼Murcielago的复制品套件。售价3000美元
不。他们做了一个复制品。这是兰博基尼Murcielago的复制品套件。售价3000美元
You can put this over a cheap used Toyota platform, or any other used car. Just paint it properly, add some interior decoration to make it look like a Lambo, and you can run this into a wall for under $10k.
你可以把它放在一个便宜的二手丰田平台上，或者任何其他的二手车上。只要把它漆好，加上一些内部装饰，让它看起来像一辆兰博基尼，你就可以花不到1万美元把它撞到墙上。
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So what I’m hearing is that even if I can’t have a Lamborghini Murcielago for $10k, I can get a Lambortini Murraymocko for $10k and achieve much of the same effect.
所以我听到的是，即使我不能花1万美元买一辆兰博基尼Murcielago，我也可以花1万美元买一辆兰博基尼Murraymocko，效果大致相同。
It will look like it. That's all though. If you drive one of these mockups you'll get beaten by a Toyota Camry in a drag race. Kind of embarrassing.
看起来就像这样。这就是全部。如果你驾驶这些模型中的一辆，你会在加速赛中被丰田凯美瑞击败。有点尴尬。
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That’s fine, I’ll just tell all my passengers that peeling out isn’t worth replacing my tires once a week.
没关系，我只会告诉我的乘客，猛地加速不值得每周换一次轮胎。
Fair enough. This was really common in the 80s and 90s, when people converted their Toyota Supra or MR2 into a Ferrari. It was very easy then. Harder today to make it look believable.
说得也是。这在80年代和90年代很常见，当时人们把他们的丰田Supra或MR2改装成法拉利。那时候很容易。今天要让它看起来真实就难多了。
Those never looked quite right. These days you really cannot tell the difference without popping the hood, unless you know exactly how the interior should look. I don’t even see how they could get away with it. Seems like some kind of infringement has occurred.
这些从来看起来都不太对。如今，如果不打开引擎盖，你真的无法分辨出两者的区别，除非你确切地知道内部应该是什么样子。我甚至不明白他们怎么能逃脱惩罚。似乎发生了某种侵权行为。
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That’s all? Looking like it is almost everything to those who covet a Lamborghini. You’ll also get beaten by a Camry ahead of you while in traffic in a real Lamborghini. Looking fast is a way more practical feature for a Lamborghini then actually being fast. Throw on a decent shell and lose the muffler and you’ll get mad street cred from the vast majority of the unwashed masses as you fly by them 5 mph faster then the prevailing traffic!
仅此而已？对于那些觊觎兰博基尼的人来说，这几乎是一切。当你开着一辆真正的兰博基尼在车流中行驶时，你也会被前面的凯美瑞打败。对于兰博基尼来说，看起来很快是一个比实际速度更实用的功能。戴上一个像样的外壳，丢掉消音器，当你以比当时的交通速度快5英里/小时的速度从绝大多数未受洗的群众身边飞过时，你会从他们那里获得疯狂的赞誉！
And it'll sound like you're driving a lawn mower.
听起来就像你在开割草机。
Kit cars have been around for ages. Volkswagen beetles used to be a fan favorite IIRC.
套件车已经存在很长时间了。大众甲壳虫曾经是粉丝最爱，如果我没记错的话。
The Beetle is still a very common kit platform, and there’s a good reason why.
Ferdinand Porsche had no way of knowing it, but he hardly could have designed a better platform for kits. Beetles are cheap, lightweight, easy to find, easy to work on, and have massive aftermarket support. Most importantly, the chassis is basically a giant skateboard. Most cars today are monocoque (the body and chassis are one piece) and most older cars sit on some sort of ladder chassis (the body, chassis, and drivertrain are more difficult to separate). With a Beetle, you can unbolt the body, and pretty much just drive the chassis away (which is exactly what pre-Manx dune buggies were: just a rolling chassis with a crude roll bar bolted to it). Other than the gas tank and the support bracket for the steering column, basically everything the car needs to run is attached to the chassis, making the installation of the new body a snap.
甲壳虫仍然是一个非常常见的改装车平台，而且有一个很好的理由。
费迪南德·保时捷不可能知道这一点，但他几乎设计了一个最适合改装的平台。甲壳虫便宜，轻便，容易找到，容易维修，而且有大量的后市场支持。最重要的是，底盘基本上是一个巨大的滑板。今天的大多数汽车都是单壳结构（车身和底盘是一体的），而大多数旧车都是基于某种梯形底盘（车身，底盘和驱动系统更难分开）。一辆甲壳虫，你可以拧下车身，然后几乎就可以开走底盘（这正是早期的曼克斯沙滩车：只是一个滚动的底盘，上面固定了一个粗糙的防滚杆）。除了油箱和转向柱支架之外，车辆运行所需的几乎所有东西都附着在底盘上，使得安装新车身非常容易。
Forget the movies - people get fake Lamborghinis and Ferraris in real life: How Brazil police tackled a factory making fake Lamborghinis and Ferraris
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/17/police-in-brazil-shut-down-factory-making-fake-ferraris-and-lamborghinis
忘掉电影吧——人们现实生活中获得假冒的兰博基尼和法拉利：巴西警方是如何打击一家制造假冒兰博基尼和法拉利的工厂的
Is that illegal?
这是违法的吗?
Yeah it's like copyright infringement. You can't copy someone's else's design..
是的，这就像侵犯版权。你不能抄袭别人的设计。
When it comes to patents, copyrights, and trademarks, the question isn’t so much “Is it legal? ” as it is “Will the owner do anything?”. If not, then it’s not like any government is going to come after them.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Mercedes-Benz are very protective of their brands. They crack down on replicas all the time. Other manufacturers are more lenient, or don’t seem to care at all. Ford/Shelby doesn’t seem to be doing much about all of those unauthorized AC Cobra kits out there. There’s a company in Canada that has been making Kubelwagen replicas for years, and Volkswagen has been oddly silent on the matter, possibly because they don’t want to draw any more attention than necessary to how their company was started and what most of those first Volkswagens were used for.
I don’t think even Lamborghini, Ferrari, or Mercedes-Benz would come after a movie studio for building a replica meant to be destroyed. These are props, not a commercial product that somebody is selling to make money off of something they don’t own and/or harm the owner’s brand. These kits probably aren’t available for purchase to the general public, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were made by the studios themselves or farmed out to a customizer. If anything, the manufacturers likely prefer it this way to destroying their actual cars, especially if it’s some priceless classic that they don’t make anymore (i.e., the Ferrari replica that was destroyed at the end of Ferris Bueller’s Day Off). Ferrari has been known to pressure their customers into removing modifications that they don’t like (like the Nyan Cat wrap on Deadmau5’s 458) and make the buyers of new Ferraris sign a contract that gives the company right of first refusal if the owner decides to sell the car later, I can’t imagine that they want people to intentionally destroy their cars.
As for the Brazilian replicas, there’s no way they’d let that slide. Those cars were being sold to the general public and wouldn’t pass the “idiot in a hurry” test, even if nobody was trying to pass them off as the real thing.
当涉及到专利、版权和商标时，问题并不是“它合法吗?”，实际上是“所有人会采取什么行动吗?”如果没有，那就不会有政府来找他们麻烦了。
法拉利、兰博基尼和梅赛德斯-奔驰都非常保护自己的品牌。他们一直在打击仿制品。其他制造商则比较宽容，或者似乎根本不在乎。福特/雪佛兰似乎对那些未经授权的AC Cobra改装车没有做太多的事情。加拿大有一家公司已经制造了多年的大众82式水桶车（德军二战军用车辆）复制品，而大众却对此保持了奇怪的沉默，可能是因为他们不想引起比必要的更多的注意，他们的公司是如何开始的，以及最初的那些大众汽车都被用来做什么。
我认为，即使是兰博基尼、法拉利或梅赛德斯-奔驰也不会因为一家电影制片厂制造了一辆本应被摧毁的复制品而来找他。这些都是道具，而不是商业产品，人们出售这些东西是为了从他们不拥有的东西上赚钱，或者损害所有者的品牌。这些套件可能不面向公众出售，如果它们是由工作室自己制作或外包给定制商，我也不会感到惊讶。如果有什么不同的话，制造商可能更喜欢这种方式，而不是摧毁他们的真车，特别是如果它是一些无价的经典，他们不再生产（例如，法拉利复制品在“春天不是读书天”（美国喜剧电影）结束时被摧毁）。众所周知，法拉利会迫使客户去掉他们不喜欢的改装（比如Deadmau5在458跑车上的彩虹猫图案），并让新法拉利的买家签署一份合同，如果车主决定以后出售该车，公司有权优先购买。我无法想象他们会希望人们故意毁掉他们的车。
至于巴西的复制品，他们是不会放过的。这些车是卖给普通大众的，即使没有人试图把它们当作真货出售，它们也不会通过“匆忙的傻瓜”测试。
I don't know about the luxury cars apparently crashed for movies production but the more mundane cars are crashed in large number. I had a Subaru and got an offer to sell for more than I was actually asking. I thought is some scam until the flatbed showed up and the driver started counting the money without even looking at the car. He told me he had to collect there identical cars for a movie and that they will be probably be destroyed in the next two days. He told me he transports cars for a company that provides them to the movie and advertising industries and gets cars of all kinds and prices.
我不知道电影制作中显然要撞毁的那些豪华车，但是更普通的车却被撞毁了很多。我有一辆斯巴鲁，收到了一个比我实际要价还高的出价。我以为是什么骗局，直到平板挂车出现了，司机开始数钱，连看都没看车。他告诉我他要收集三辆一模一样的车给一部电影，而且它们可能在接下来的两天内就被毁掉了。他告诉我他为一家给电影和广告行业提供车辆的公司运输车辆，他运输各种各样和价格的车辆。
They actually did destroy an original Audi R8 in a movie. I saw this on Nat Geo in Mega Factories. Audi gave it away to them to use it in the movie and destroy it. And they could not totally destroy it the way director wanted because of it’s aluminum body and other safety tech.
I don’t remember the movie name, I am not into movies.
他们确实在一部电影里毁了一辆奥迪R8。我在国家地理的《超级工厂》（有关产品的制造过程记录片）里看过这个。奥迪把它送给了他们，让他们在电影中使用，然后毁掉它。他们不能像导演希望的那样完全摧毁它因为它是铝制的机身和其他安全技术。
我不记得电影的名字了，我不喜欢电影。
Iron man one
From imdb;
“During the final battle, there was originally going to be a sequence where Tony, in the Iron Man suit, drives an Audi R8 that would crash into Iron Monger's legs then flip over, after which Iron Man would split the car in half and jump out. However, the Audi R8 was so well-built, that it refused to flip, despite repeated crashes and the roof wouldn't split the way director Jon Favreau wanted it to, because the car's frx was so tough. As a result, the whole final fight sequence was re-written. The filmmakers were so impressed by the toughness of the car, that it was decided that the convertible version was to be featured in Iron Man 2 (2010).’
钢铁侠1
来自互联网电影数据库;
“在最后的战斗中，原本有一个场景是托尼穿着钢铁侠战衣，驾驶一辆奥迪R8，撞向钢铁巨人的腿，然后翻车，接着钢铁侠把车劈成两半，跳了出来。但是，奥迪R8造得太结实了，它拒绝翻车，即使反复撞击，而且车顶也不会按照导演乔恩·费儒想要的方式裂开，因为车架太坚固了。结果，整个最后的战斗场景被重写了。电影制作人对这辆车的坚固程度印象深刻，于是决定在《钢铁侠2》（2010）中出现敞篷版的奥迪R8。。”
They do sometimes. I know of a recent one involving a Lamborghini. They had 3 cars, 1 shell, one just missing the engine and the other complete. They only fully broke the first two though.
他们有时会这样做。我知道最近有一辆兰博基尼。他们有三辆车，一辆只是外壳，其中一辆发动机不见了，另一辆完整无缺。不过，他们只是完全破坏了前两个。
Actually that makes a lot of sense. Rent a real one instead of spending money on make a replica to look real inside and out for the up close shots. It would be cheaper than fabricating one to look real all around. Use the shell replica for destroying.
实际上这很有道理。租一个真正的，而不是花钱做一个复制品，在看起来真实的内外近距离拍摄。这比制造一个看起来真实的要便宜得多。使用外壳复制品进行破坏。
‘Miami Vice’ did this in the early 80’s. The black ‘Daytona’ was a custom build, with an American V8. There were, IIRC, 2 beauty versions (for close ups) and one stunt version. If you look carefully at the car scenes, you can spot the different cars, as the Ferrari badge moves from the bonnet (hood) to the front panel, and the plexiglass light cover on some scenes is missing.
When Ferrari lent them a couple of real Testarossa’s, they produced a kit car ‘stunt’ version for stunt work, again using an American V8.
The ‘Hardcastle and McCormack’ series did a similar thing, using a McLaren sportscar body, with a Porsche V8 (from a 928). As the Porsche engine was so quiet, a Ferrari ‘growl’ was dubbed in, during post production editing.
《迈阿密风云》在80年代初就这样做了。黑色的“Daytona”是一辆定制的车，搭载了美国的V8发动机。我记得有两辆美容版（用于特写镜头）和一辆特技版。如果你仔细观察车辆场景，你可以发现不同的车，因为法拉利的标志从引擎盖（车头）移动到了前面板，而且有些场景中的树脂玻璃灯罩也消失了。
当法拉利借给他们几辆真正的特斯塔罗萨时，他们也制作了一辆改装车“特技”版，用于特技表演，同样使用了美国的V8发动机。 《Hardcastle and McCormack》这部剧也做了类似的事情，使用了一辆迈凯伦跑车的车身，搭载了保时捷的V8发动机（来自一辆928跑车）。由于保时捷的发动机太安静了，所以在后期编辑时加入了法拉利的“咆哮”声。