网友评论：贫穷国家被迫面对人才流失的悲惨现实The Tragic Reality of Brain Drain on Poor Countries
2023-03-02 达tothe洋 7742 0 0 收藏 纠错&举报
The phenomenon of brain drain is when the best and brightest workers from poor countries immigrate to rich countries in the pursuit of higher pay and living conditions. This can hinder the development of poor countries because many of their best workers leave.
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I have the perfect example of brain drain, also in developed countries. Switzerland doesn't educate enough healthcare staff. German staff comes to Switzerland to fix it. Germany is lacking doctors now, polish people go and fix it. Poland lacks now doctors, which Ukrainians go and fix. Ukraine is the end of this line, except maybe Moldova. The numbers really match up greatly, and all because Switzerland is not keeping up with the population growth.
Germany acts pretty stupid in this regard.We have incredibly high standards for becoming a doctor, but we rather import doctors (with lower standards) from foreign countries than allow more people to study medicine.
You are right but I dont think tiny Switzerland will cause big Germany such massive shortages. Switzerland's healthcare staff comes from all Europe, this isn't exclusive to Germany.
So bottom line: it’s best to be a Swiss
Brain drain is a massive issue in Greece as well.In Greece all universities are free, so people earn their degrees with an investment made by the government and then end up leaving Greece to work in other countries, hence the government getting nil ROI, and losing well educated individuals. This affects the economy not only by losing someone who would pay tax, but also by losing someone who could contribute to inovation, change and progress.I myself am an example of the above, educated in Greece and moved to the UK for a better life and career advancement.
Yes, because there is no reason to stay in Greece. It is not only the salary. The culture and society in Greece is extremely depressing and toxic and people will never come to such culture
@Jordbær Could you explain why it's toxic and depressing? At my university (Netherlands) there are indeed a lot of Greek students, I always wonder why so many of them wanted to leave Greece (besides economy/salaries)
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@NielsvdH As a Greek i can say that culture has almost nothing to do with the brain drain. I know a lot of Greeks that immigrated out during the crisis and all of them are just doing it for money. The culture and tradition isnt toxic or depressing, idk why the other user said that.
Yet Greece is a “developed economy”
My neighbor has a similar story. He’s from the Netherlands and earned his Computer Science degree for free on the Dutch taxpayers dime. Now he lives in Arizona making $200,000/year and owns 2 houses. He wouldn’t be able to make that salary or own a house in the Netherlands but he can in Arizona.
Problem with Grecce is lack of market friendly policies, govt control (not just tax) kills pvt investment, no growth
This happens in American cities. I live near Detroit and the young who go to college don't move back but move to the suburbs.
@NielsvdH I wouldn't say the culture is toxic and depressing. What is toxic and depressing is for example that I am a trained physiotherapist and in Greece I would be earning a salary of 100-200 euros above minimum salary per month as a physio, and I was making more money working as a waiter whilst still studying. I would also not have any (or 1-2) opportunities in my entirely career to develop into something other that what my degree is directly correlated to. Here in the UK I have so many more opportunities to e.g. become a department manager, do research etc etc.
Africans, Bangladeshis & Indians would love to live and work in Greece. There are worse places in this world ok?
Simple solution:You get a free secondary education in Greece only if you stay in Greece. If you move from Greece you have to repay your education. That keeps it fair for everyone.
Same happens in Estonia. Effectively the country was just training doctors who immediately after getting a degree, left the country.
I believe that the northern EU countries (Germany) should be paying Greece for this reason. They go on about how Italy, Spain and Greece must not run a deficit, while being the recipient of the best talent from these countries.
In Oregon we had a serious lack of medical professionals (dentists and general practice) so we had an avenue where someone that wanted to go into one of those fields could get nearly free education, on the condition that they would stay and practice medicine in the state of Oregon for at least 10 years (or something close, I forget.).
Why Germans are not leaving they also have free education
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I'm from the Philippines, a Developing Country, and I'm part of that Brain Drain. I came from the top university of my country and wanted to give back since I was a scholar and my education was paid for by the tax payers. I had the opportunity to study in the US and even at the big tech companies like Microsoft and Autodesk. My biggest reason for not wanting to come back home is culture. Work culture in the tech industry is about growth. Sure, there are a lot of lay offs but you grow in every opportunity you land on. Back in the Ph, work is about personalities and culture. The quality of your work is based on who your friends are and which surname you have - your results can be ignored if you belong to the right family.
I am from sweden but decided to moved to the philippines. Sweden was, and is still, one of the richest countries of the world, but wont be for too long. Sweden has under the 2000s and 2010s suffered from a DOUBLE brain drain. Not only are smart and educated people and companies moving out of sweden, but alot of refugees with almost no education migrated to sweden as we gave comparatively generous allowances and were the only country to give out permanent visa,. In the philippines where I live there is an influx of americans and westerners like me who had enough and either move here permanently or living here for long periods.I also think the US can also collapse at any moment, but as long as they keep their image as a land of opportunities alive, they can keep on living forever.
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Interesting note on the brain drain: it is happening within countries as well, as rural regions go extinct and cities bloat to unmanageable sizes, with pollution, constant traffic jams and unaffordable housing.
As a Chinese American, I whole heartely agree. My parents, my wife and I are all came to the US to study and graduated with doctoral degrees. With better higher education, 10x income, greater personal freedom. Millions of of the most tallented Chinese students immigrated. Of course, with the higher income and wealth accumulation, we also paid much more taxes than the average american families. It was good for our families, and it was good for the US who tooks us in when we had nothing but the cloths on our backs.
Hey internet stranger! I'm so proud of you and your family.
I love hearing this. We welcome all kinds in America! All you need to do is work hard.
Congrats on living the American Dream! These days, I think most immigrants do a better job embodying the American spirit than natives do.
Same thing has been happening inside countries as well, take Japan for example. Schools and hospitals in rural areas carry the costs of raising children, but the best and brightest leave for cities like Tokyo where they can earn much more. And Tokyo then reaps the benefits of taxing those top earners, whereas the rural cities have to make more and more cuts, feeding this vicious cycle.To counter this trend, Japan has introduced the "hometown tax" program that gives taxpayers the choice to direct part of their tax to other regions. As a thank you and further enticement, generally a gift from that region (often local produce) is returned.
As an Indonesian, I have lots of friends and family members who've gone abroad, yet for the vast majority of them, they go abroad to get education and maybe work a bit but then quickly come back. Very few of them actually decide to stay, despite the better standard of living abroad. Looking at the data, Indonesia also has a very low rate of emigration in proportion to its population; it's more common to see Vietnamese or Filipino people in developed countries as opposed to Indonesians, despite Indonesia having a larger population than both of these countries combined. This topic seems to have never been discussed and I can't figure out why
Different culture different mindset .
This is a very real problem. I’m from a third world country, and have just graduated from the best engineering schools of my country. But the lack of jobs, and other possibilities have made it so almost all of my class mates have preferred to go to Europe/ Canada for better life.
It also happens between developed economies. See at the number of young professionals moving from Italy or Spain to Germany or Nordic countries. I'm always amazed by the number of coworkers from abroad in those countries. Population in South and Eastern Europe are aging and a large percentage of young educated people just move away. It will have long term important consequences. I cannot see any way to reverse this as Northern Europe just keep getting more attractive with the influx of new workers with higher education.
I can understand people from truly poor countries who immigrate, but the supposedly developed middle-income countries of Southern/Eastern Europe also has people moving out. Highly educated people of all things too. Is nobody out there loyal to their country anymore?
This also happens in the West as well. I've heard many Canadians who choose to live in the US after finishing school simply because they're making double what they would make in Canada. It's part of the reason why Canada's economy has been stagnating, it's proximity to the US causes a lot of the best talent to leave the country.
Better weather too. But not as polite!
@Austin Baccus Haha, so true. I love my Canadian colleagues!
@Austin Baccus 哈哈，太真实了，我爱我的加拿大同事！
In Brazil Brain Drain is an issue too. I have an Eletronics and I.T Degree from a public. university and most of my class left the country. This is becoming so bad that some companies like Embraer and Avibras sued Boeing in an Federal Court here for it.
worth mentioning that public universities are free, and they are also the best universities in Brazil; so the gov. funds all of these students just for them to leave to US/EU etc.