网友评论：贫穷国家被迫面对人才流失的悲惨现实

Fabi an
I have the perfect example of brain drain, also in developed countries. Switzerland doesn't educate enough healthcare staff. German staff comes to Switzerland to fix it. Germany is lacking doctors now, polish people go and fix it. Poland lacks now doctors, which Ukrainians go and fix. Ukraine is the end of this line, except maybe Moldova. The numbers really match up greatly, and all because Switzerland is not keeping up with the population growth.
 
我这就有一个关于人才流失完美例子，而且还是发生发达国家。瑞士没有培养出足够多医护人员，所以瑞士引入了德国相关人才。然而德国现也开始缺医生了，所以波兰医护人员便去了德国。而这条传递链最末端是乌克兰（也许还有摩尔多瓦吧）而这一切都是因为瑞士医护人员培养方面没有跟上人口增长速度。
 
MazelTov
Germany acts pretty stupid in this regard.We have incredibly high standards for becoming a doctor, but we rather import doctors (with lower standards) from foreign countries than allow more people to study medicine.
 
德国这方面表现得非常愚蠢。我们对如何成为医生采取了非常严苛标准，我们宁愿以更低标准从国外引进医生，而不是允许更多人学医。
 
François-Xavier Morgand
You are right but I dont think tiny Switzerland will cause big Germany such massive shortages. Switzerland's healthcare staff comes from all Europe, this isn't exclusive to Germany.
 
你说对，但是我不认为一个小小瑞士会让德国这样一个大国面对如此大规模医护人员短缺问题。瑞士医护人员来自全欧洲，并不仅仅来自德国。
 
D Howe
So bottom line: it’s best to be a Swiss
 
所以结论就是：最好还是当个瑞士人
 
Nebakos7
Brain drain is a massive issue in Greece as well.In Greece all universities are free, so people earn their degrees with an investment made by the government and then end up leaving Greece to work in other countries, hence the government getting nil ROI, and losing well educated individuals. This affects the economy not only by losing someone who would pay tax, but also by losing someone who could contribute to inovation, change and progress.I myself am an example of the above, educated in Greece and moved to the UK for a better life and career advancement.
 
人才流失希腊也是一个相当大问题。希腊所有大学都是免费，所以人们仰赖政府投资获得了学位，最终却离开希腊前往其他国家工作，因此政府这方面投资回报率为零，我们失去了那些受过良好教育人才。这对希腊经济影响不仅于我们失去了那些愿意纳税人，还于我们失去了那些能够为创新、变革和社会进步作出贡献人才。我自己就是一个例子，我希腊接受教育，后来我为了更好生活和职业发展搬去了英国。
 
Jordbær
Yes, because there is no reason to stay in Greece. It is not only the salary. The culture and society in Greece is extremely depressing and toxic and people will never come to such culture
 
是，因为人才根本没有理由留希腊。不仅仅是出于工资原因。希腊文化和社会都极度压抑且有毒。人们永远不愿投身于这样文化之中。
 
NielsvdH
@Jordbær Could you explain why it's toxic and depressing? At my university (Netherlands) there are indeed a lot of Greek students, I always wonder why so many of them wanted to leave Greece (besides economy/salaries)
 
@Jordbær  你能解释一下为什么希腊文化有毒且压抑吗？我所就读大学（位于荷兰），确实有很多来自希腊学生，我一直想知道为什么会有这么多人想要离开希腊。(除了经济和工资这方面原因）
 
Johnpetr 06
@NielsvdH  As a Greek i can say that culture has almost nothing to do with the brain drain. I know a lot of Greeks that immigrated out during the crisis and all of them are just doing it for money. The culture and tradition isnt toxic or depressing, idk why the other user said that.
 
@NielsvdH 作为一个希腊人，我敢断言希腊人才流失问题和文化几乎毫无关系。我知道很多希腊人都是经济危机期间移民国外，他们都是为了钱。希腊文化和传统并不是有毒或者压抑，我不知道为什么其他用户会这么说。
 
Erick Tellez
Yet Greece is a “developed economy”
 
然而希腊却是一个“发达国家”。
 
Brad
My neighbor has a similar story. He’s from the Netherlands and earned his Computer Science degree for free on the Dutch taxpayers dime. Now he lives in Arizona making $200,000/year and owns 2 houses. He wouldn’t be able to make that salary or own a house in the Netherlands but he can in Arizona.
 
我邻居也有一个类似故事。他来自荷兰，用荷兰纳税人钱免费获得计算机科学学位后，他搬到了美国亚利桑那州。如今他年入20万美元，拥有两套房子。他荷兰根本赚不到那么多钱，也买不起房子，但是亚利桑那州，他能做到。
 
Anurag Banerjee
Problem with Grecce is lack of market friendly policies, govt control (not just tax) kills pvt investment, no growth
 
希腊问题于缺乏对市场友好政策，政府控制（不仅仅是税收）扼杀了私人投资，也扼杀了经济增长。
 
Logan K
This happens in American cities. I live near Detroit and the young who go to college don't move back but move to the suburbs.
 
这种情况也发生美国城市里。我住底特律附近，那些去上大学年轻人不再搬回城区，而是搬到了郊区。
 
Nebakos7
@NielsvdH  I wouldn't say the culture is toxic and depressing. What is toxic and depressing is for example that I am a trained physiotherapist and in Greece I would be earning a salary of 100-200 euros above minimum salary per month as a physio, and I was making more money working as a waiter whilst still studying. I would also not have any (or 1-2) opportunities in my entirely career to develop into something other that what my degree is directly correlated to. Here in the UK I have so many more opportunities to e.g. become a department manager, do research etc etc.
 
@NielsvdH 我不会说希腊文化是有毒和压抑。例如，我是一名训练有素理疗师。希腊，作为一名理疗师，我每月工资最多比最低工资高出个100~200欧元，而我一边学习一边做服务员时，反而能赚到更多钱。展望我整个职业生涯，我不会有任何机会（或是只有一两个）发展与我学位直接相关事业。然而英国，我则能拥有很多机会，比如成为一名部门经理，或者是去做相关研究等等
 
Cuckoo Nut
Africans, Bangladeshis & Indians would love to live and work in Greece. There are worse places in this world ok?
 
非洲人、孟加拉国人以及印度人迫不及待想去希腊生活和工作呢。世界上还有更加糟糕地方，好吗？
 
Jerry Two Lanes
Simple solution:You get a free secondary education in Greece only if you stay in Greece. If you move from Greece you have to repay your education. That keeps it fair for everyone.
 
一个很简单解决方案：只有当你毕业之后留希腊，你才能收获免费教育。如果你哪天要离开希腊话，你必须为自己希腊所接受教育付款。这对每一个人而言都是公平。
 
Bob Slydell
Same happens in Estonia. Effectively the country was just training doctors who immediately after getting a degree, left the country.
 
同样事情也发生了爱沙尼亚。实际上，这个国家培养医生往往会获得学位后立马离开这个国家。
 
jacquie212
I believe that the northern EU countries (Germany) should be paying Greece for this reason. They go on about how Italy, Spain and Greece must not run a deficit, while being the recipient of the best talent from these countries.
 
我认为出于这个原因，北欧国家（以及德国）应该向希腊提供援助。他们一边要求意大利，西班牙和希腊不要出现财政赤字，一边却不断吸纳着这些国家最优秀人才。
 
pizza87760
In Oregon we had a serious lack of medical professionals (dentists and general practice) so we had an avenue where someone that wanted to go into one of those fields could get nearly free education, on the condition that they would stay and practice medicine in the state of Oregon for at least 10 years (or something close, I forget.).
 
我们俄勒冈州曾面临严重医疗专业人员短缺问题（牙医以及全科医生），所以我们找到了一个办法，那就是让那些想要进入这一领域人们获得近乎于免费教育，条件是他们必须俄勒冈州行医至少10年（又或者是接近10年，具体数字我忘了）。
 
It seemed like it worked because very few doctors wanted to leave the state even after they could, seeing as they've already spent a decade setting themselves up. Doctors could also break the contract early by essentially paying back the cost of the education the state paid for. I bet most countries suffering brain drain could do something similar.
 
这个政策似乎相当奏效，很少有医生愿意离开（即便他们可以），因为他们已经这里花了10年时间去建立自己事业。医生自然也可以提前解约，然后偿还州政府支付教育费用。我敢断言，大部分遭受人才流失问题折磨国家都可以采取类似举措。
 
bharat kapoor
Why Germans are not leaving they also have free education
 
为什么德国人不离开呢？他们也有免费教育啊。
 
Xeratol Plays
I'm from the Philippines, a Developing Country, and I'm part of that Brain Drain. I came from the top university of my country and wanted to give back since I was a scholar and my education was paid for by the tax payers. I had the opportunity to study in the US and even at the big tech companies like Microsoft and Autodesk. My biggest reason for not wanting to come back home is culture. Work culture in the tech industry is about growth. Sure, there are a lot of lay offs but you grow in every opportunity you land on. Back in the Ph, work is about personalities and culture. The quality of your work is based on who your friends are and which surname you have - your results can be ignored if you belong to the right family.
 
我来自菲律宾，一个发展中国家，我也是人才流失现象一部分。我来自我们国家最顶尖大学。我是一名学者，而且我学费也是由纳税人支付，所以我想要回馈社会。后来我有了一个去美国学习机会，甚至得到了微软和欧特克等大型科技公司实习机会。我不想回国最大原因是文化。科技行业工作文化关乎增长。当然，确实也有很多人被裁员，但是你能每一个自己抓住机会中收获成长。而菲律宾，工作则仅关乎个人身份和当地文化。你工作质量取决于你朋友是谁，你姓什么---如果你来自一个正确家庭，那就没有人乎你工作是否能产生效果。
 
Morgan Jonasson
I am from sweden but decided to moved to the philippines. Sweden was, and is still, one of the richest countries of the world, but wont be for too long. Sweden has under the 2000s and 2010s suffered from a DOUBLE brain drain. Not only are smart and educated people and companies moving out of sweden, but alot of refugees with almost no education migrated to sweden as we gave comparatively generous allowances and were the only country to give out permanent visa,. In the philippines where I live there is  an influx of americans and westerners like me who had enough and either move here permanently or living here for long periods.I also think the US can also collapse at any moment, but as long as they keep their image as a land of opportunities alive, they can keep on living forever.
 
我来自瑞典，但我当初作出决定后搬到了菲律宾。瑞典过去是，如今依旧是世界上最富裕国家之一，但是这种情况不会持续太久了。2000年代以及2010年代，瑞典遭遇了双重流失。不仅仅是那些聪明且受过教育人们离开了瑞典，甚至连很多企业也离开了。然而我们接纳过来难民却几乎没有受过任何教育，因为我们给与相对慷慨津贴，而且是欧洲唯一一个给难民发放永久签证国家。我菲律宾生活地方有很多美国人和西方人，他们都受够了这一切，要么这里永居，要么是长期生活这里。我觉得美国也可能随时都会崩溃，但是只要他们能够维护住自己“机遇之地”形象，他们就可以永远活下去。
 
Some Guy Called Cerberus
Interesting note on the brain drain: it is happening within countries as well, as rural regions go extinct and cities bloat to unmanageable sizes, with pollution, constant traffic jams and unaffordable housing.
 
一个与人才流失有关有趣事项：这事也会发生国家内部，农村地区消失，城市规模膨胀到失控。污染、持续交通堵塞以及让人负担不起住房。
 
Xiphoid Process
As a Chinese American, I whole heartely agree.  My parents, my wife and I are all came to the US to study and graduated with doctoral degrees.  With better higher education, 10x income, greater personal freedom. Millions of of the most tallented Chinese students immigrated.  Of course, with the higher income and wealth accumulation, we also paid much more taxes than the average american families.  It was good for our families, and it was good for the US who tooks us in when we had nothing but the cloths on our backs.
 
作为一个华裔美国人，我完全赞同。我父母，妻子以及我自己都来美国留学，并获得了博士学位。我们美国收获了更好高等教育、10倍收入以及更多个人自由。数以百万计最有才华中国学生选择了移民。当然，随着收入和财富提升，我们所缴纳税金也比普通美国家庭多得多。这对我们有好处，对那个我们身无分文时接纳我们美国也有好处。
 
Lazer eyes
Hey internet stranger! I'm so proud of you and your family.
 
嘿，互联网上陌生人！我为你和你家庭感到骄傲。
 
William Hewitt
I love hearing this. We welcome all kinds in America! All you need to do is work hard.
 
我喜欢听到这样故事。我们美国欢迎所有人！你们唯一需要做是努力工作。
 
AZFStories
Congrats on living the American Dream! These days, I think most immigrants do a better job embodying the American spirit than natives do.
 
恭喜你实现了美国梦！时至今日，我觉得大多数移民比本土人更能彰显美国精神。
 
Albert
Same thing has been happening inside countries as well, take Japan for example. Schools and hospitals in rural areas carry the costs of raising children, but the best and brightest leave for cities like Tokyo where they can earn much more. And Tokyo then reaps the benefits of taxing those top earners, whereas the rural cities have to make more and more cuts, feeding this vicious cycle.To counter this trend, Japan has introduced the "hometown tax" program that gives taxpayers the choice to direct part of their tax to other regions. As a thank you and further enticement, generally a gift from that region (often local produce) is returned.
 
同样事情也发生各个国家内部，以日本为例吧。农村地区学校和医院承担了抚养孩子成本，但是那些最优秀和最聪明人才却去了像东京这样城市，因为他们可以那里赚到更多钱。然后东京又通过向这些高收入者征税获益，而那些边缘城市则不得不持续不断地削减开支，从而加剧了这种恶性循环。为了应对这一趋势，日本推出了“家乡税”计划，让纳税人可以选择将部分税款直接转移至其他地区。作为感谢以及进一步诱惑，他们通常会收到该地区寄给他们礼品（通常是一些当地农产品）。
 
Farizki
As an Indonesian, I have lots of friends and family members who've gone abroad, yet for the vast majority of them, they go abroad to get education and maybe work a bit but then quickly come back. Very few of them actually decide to stay, despite the better standard of living abroad. Looking at the data, Indonesia also has a very low rate of emigration in proportion to its population; it's more common to see Vietnamese or Filipino people in developed countries as opposed to Indonesians, despite Indonesia having a larger population than both of these countries combined. This topic seems to have never been discussed and I can't figure out why
 
作为一名印尼人，我很多亲戚以及朋友都选择了出国，但是对他们中绝大部分人而言，出国只是为了接受教育，他们会国外工作一段时间后返回印尼。尽管外国生活水平更高，但是他们中很少有人会决定留海外。从数据上来看，印尼裔移民比例也很低。你发达国家很容易看到越南或者菲律宾移民，但是印尼移民则不多见，尽管印尼人口比这两个国家人口相加还多。这个话题似乎从来没有被讨论过，我也不知道为什么出现这种现象。
 
Sidou Sri
Different  culture different  mindset  .
 
不同文化，不同思维。
 
Joel Tchitchi
This is a very real problem. I’m from a third world country, and have just graduated from the best engineering schools of my country. But the lack of jobs, and other possibilities have made it so almost all of my class mates have preferred to go to Europe/ Canada for better life.
 
这是一个非常现实问题。我来自一个第三世界国家，刚刚从我们国家最好工程学校毕业。但是由于缺少工作机会以及其他可能性，几乎我所有同学都更愿意去欧洲或者加拿大寻求更好生活。
 
Oyamanosolo
It also happens between developed economies. See at the number of young professionals moving from Italy or Spain to Germany or Nordic countries. I'm always amazed by the number of coworkers from abroad in those countries. Population in South and Eastern Europe are aging and a large percentage of young educated people just move away. It will have long term important consequences. I cannot see any way to reverse this as Northern Europe just keep getting more attractive with the influx of new workers with higher education.
 
这种现象发达经济体之间也有存。看看从意大利或者西班牙移居至德国或者北欧国家年轻职业人士有多少吧。这些国家外国同事数量总是让我惊叹不已。南欧和东欧人口正老龄化，大部分受过教育年轻人都搬走了。这将产生一些长期重大影响。随着受过高等教育年轻就业者一直不断地涌入，北欧将会变得愈发有吸引力，我实看不出有什么办法能够扭转这一局面。
 
Dwargon Edragon
I can understand people from truly poor countries who immigrate, but the supposedly developed middle-income countries of Southern/Eastern Europe also has people moving out. Highly educated people of all things too. Is nobody out there loyal to their country anymore?
 
我能理解那些来自极度贫穷国家人们选择移民，但是南欧和东欧这些所谓发达中等收入国家人们也选择移民就让我有点无法理解了，而且出国偏偏还都那些受过高等教育人才。难不成现已经没有人忠于自己国家了吗？
 
Renovator
This also happens in the West as well. I've heard many Canadians who choose to live in the US after finishing school simply because they're making double what they would make in Canada. It's part of the reason why Canada's economy has been stagnating, it's proximity to the US causes a lot of the best talent to leave the country.
 
这种现象也发生了西方。我听说有很多加拿大人毕业后选择住美国，只因他们美国收入会是加拿大两倍。这就是加拿大经济一直停滞不前部分原因，它太靠近美国了，这导致很多优秀人才都离开了这个国家。
 
Austin Baccus
Better weather too. But not as polite!
 
天气也更好，不过美国人不像加拿大人那般礼貌！
 
Asta Reshter
@Austin Baccus  Haha, so true. I love my Canadian colleagues!
 
@Austin Baccus  哈哈，太真实了，我爱我加拿大同事！
 
Gleitson
In Brazil Brain Drain is an issue too. I have an Eletronics and I.T Degree from a public. university and most of my class left the country. This is becoming so bad that some companies like Embraer and Avibras sued Boeing in an Federal Court here for it.
 
巴西也面临人才流失问题。我一家公立大学拿到了电子和信息技术学位，我大部分同学都离开了这个国家。这种情况变得如此糟糕，以至于Embraer 和Avibras等巴西航空公司不得不巴西联邦法院起诉了波音公司。
 
Gabriel Luis
worth mentioning that public universities are free, and they are also the best universities in Brazil; so the gov. funds all of these students just for them to leave to US/EU etc.
 
值得一提是，巴西公立大学是免学费，而且它们还是巴西最好大学；所以，这基本上就相当于政府资助了所有这些学生，而他们却转身去了美国和欧盟等国家。