为什么拜登政府要向乌克兰发送数十亿美元？我们为什么要这么挺乌克兰？为了乌克兰不管俄亥俄这真的值得吗？Why is the Biden administration sending billions to Ukraine? What is our allegiance to Ukraine? Is Ukraine really worth it, even in spite of Ohio?
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Why is the Biden administration sending billions to Ukraine? What is our allegiance to Ukraine? Is Ukraine really worth it, even in spite of Ohio?
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Ohio wouldn’t get aid regardless if there was a war in Ukraine or not
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Yeah there’s still a conspiracy there. Companies destroy water ways with dumping chemicals into them because it’s more profitable then disposing of it safely. For years this went on. Then on the civil level instead of shelling out the money to pay for new pipe to Lake Michigan they decide to use their old corroded pipes to get water from the flint river. Ground heavily contaminated and water heavily contaminated form years of chemical run off. Water further corroded pipes and the people of flint get contaminated mud from their sinks.
Conspiracy is why do cooperate profits and municipalities savings trump civilian health and well being. Billions of dollars wasted on federal agencies at many different levels to make sure corporation greed for profits doesn’t effect the free people of USA but none of it matters.
corporation greed for profits
The problem is not a corporation's profits, corporations are supposed to profit. It is the government allowing corporations to dictate policy and actions and politicians and government bureaucrats that receive financial incentives to do so. It must stop at the government level.
I agree with you the government both federal and locally could easily fix this problem. But they won’t because the more the companies profit the bigger their illegal paychecks or stock options become. So to say corporate greed for excessive profits isn’t to blame is horribly wrong because it is the fuel for the entire fire.
All these corporations could handle, transport, and dispose of chemical’s safely and still make loads of money but that would cut into excessive profits. So we allow “minimum” amounts of chemicals into water ways and the air. And let trains full of the shit through densely populated areas because it’s the cheaper option. And that means more money to the corrupt system and their own banks.
You get what you vote for.
You think your government cares about you? Both side of the government poison their people.
"Without Ukraine, the global order may not survive"
I'm okay with the "global order" aka NWO not surviving.
I think in this case the “global order” is USA hegemony..
It’s less about Ukraine than it is about Russia and Putin.
Also, the ponzi scheme that is the USD as perpetrated by the Fed demands new military conquests periodically in order to provide new collateral to float more debt so that the old debt can be paid off.
The Fed was designed precisely for the purpose of always requiring new collateral, so that we'd be motivated to fight these wars.
ADL was created at the same time as the Fed. Israel's purpose is to tell us which wars to fight.
It really is that simple. Don't really know anything about Rothschild. Really don't need to. Start with Warburg, and move forward from there.
To know today you have to first know yesterday...What this conflict is really about is the American-led democratic hegemony that has spread over eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet unx and whether that's going to remain intact, or whether, because Russia obxts to it, Russia can use force to rollback that infrastructure.
Putin is trying to regain territory lost at the end of the Cold War in an attempt to make Russia stronger and the West less dominant in the region. Ukraine wants to become a part of NATO, which would give it NATO backing and protection. That would make Ukraine untouchable by Putin unless he wanted to start a full-blown war with the United States and its allies.
Putin's long-term goal is to alter the composition of the government in Kyiv so they reorient their foreign policy away from the EU and NATO, and back towards Russia.
Right the 2014 coup? We taking any responsibility for that? How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes? What about the 8-year shelling of the Don Bass? I know this for a fact if Russia set up a missile defense system in let's say Toronto or Mexico City we would take that as an Act of War and it would be on. So I think ousting the Russian friendly government and installing Ultra nationalist Nazis then proceeding to ignore the fact that NATO should have been dissolved when Russian fell apart in the 90s instead of continuing to absorb Eastern European countries is knowing what the history is. The people in the Don Bass don't want any part of Ukraine and that makes perfect sense to me. Just like Crimea does. I think Putin and Russia are doing exactly what we would do the same situation and it's ignorant to think otherwise. I think the Western media is crucifying the man and Americans are ignorant about it why because we're collectively stupid. Don't be bothered about looking into what goes on and why it goes on they just take whatever CNN shoves down their throats anr trust the freaking US government
对 2014 年的政变我们有承担任何责任吗？76% 的乌克兰人在家里说俄语，这一事实你又怎么看？对顿巴斯8 年的炮击呢？我知道的一个事实是，如果俄罗斯在比如说多伦多或墨西哥城建立导弹防御系统，我们会将其视为战争行为，并且会开战。因此，我认为推翻亲俄罗斯政府并安插极端民族主义纳粹分子，然后继续无视北约本应在俄罗斯在 90 年代解体时解散，而不是继续吸收东欧国家的事实，这是需要了解的历史原因。顿巴斯的人不想成为乌克兰的任何部分，这对我来说非常有道理。就像克里米亚一样。我认为普京和俄罗斯正在做的是我们在相同情况下也会做的事情，不这么想是愚蠢的。我认为西方媒体正在把这个人钉在十字架上，而美国人对此一无所知，因为我们都是愚蠢的。不要费心去调查发生了什么以及为什么会发生，他们只会接受 CNN 塞进他们喉咙里的任何东西并且相信该死的美国政府。
This comment is Russian imperialism justification bingo.
What part is wrong?
Only most of it. Ultranationalist Nazis in power, the "evil Ukraine shelling the civilians" and totally not the on holiday Russian soldiers sent to infiltrate and stir a "civil" war like they did in Crimea. Of course there they fucked up and made it obvious by shooting down an airliner.
It's all straight up Kremlin talking points.
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Russia has never given any evidence, through word or action, towards anything resembling imperialism, especially when compared to the U.S. and NATO.
The definition of imperialism is: "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." Invading a country and attempting to annex territory and take over the government is the epitome of imperialism. Just because western countries have done imperialistic things does not mean Russia can't too. Not to mention in many ways this war is a continuation of centuries of Russian imperialism which began with the Russian empire. Do you really believe Russia became the biggest country on earth without imperialism?
Since the end of the U.S.S.R., what I wrote was true. They have been continuously put in reactive stances against the West's attempts to extend its power and influence, by various means, but with ever diminishing diplomacy.
So seperatists in ukraine good
But seperatists in the former soviet unx bad?
This exact mentality that Russia has some "right" over Eastern Europe is an imperialistic one. The countries of Eastern Europe, whether they be the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia, or Ukraine, have been independent countries since the end of the Soviet unx. They all voted overwhelmingly in favour of it (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/). These countries have the right to apply to join NATO or the EU and that does not give Russia any right to invade.
这种认为俄罗斯对东欧拥有某种“权利”的心态正是一种帝国主义心态。东欧国家，无论是波罗的海国家、摩尔多瓦、格鲁吉亚还是乌克兰，自苏联解体以来都是独立国家。他们都以压倒性多数投票赞成 ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/ )。
I’ve looked into it extensively and there is so much certifiably wrong with what you’ve claimed.
The most amusing part for me is even if it were all true, none of it changes the fact that Putin is a Fascists dictator invading a sovereign nation that held a free and fair election in 2019 causing hundreds of thousands of deaths a year. None of it gives the US any reason to not send lethal aid to capitalize on Russia’s misstep.
对我来说最有趣的部分是，即使这一切都是真的，也没有改变普京是法西斯独裁者的事实，他入侵了一个主权国家--该国家在 2019 年举行了自由公正的选举--每年造成数十万人死亡。这些都没有给美国任何理由不给乌克兰提供致命援助以利用俄罗斯的失误。
You claim "you've looked into it" and so much is certifiably wrong. Care to point out what I stated that is wrong?
The fact that this country is falling into ruin and Inflation is rampant is enough not to send AID when we need AID at home.
2014 has nothing to do with 2019 or 2022.
Ukrainians whether they speak Russian or not are clearly showing they do not want to be part of Russia.
The 8-years of shelling was largely in the wale of 2014 because the Russian military moved in ousted the Ukrainian officials and started arming and training separatists.
America is not falling apart
Inflation is a global issue
We have more then enough means to aid Ukraine and Ohio is that shit bag Republican governor would stop playing politics.
2014 has everything to do with it. That is when the 2010 democratically elected Russian-friendly president was ousted by ultra-nationalists backed by western NGO's, John McCain (and other important western politicians) and IC actors. You can actually trace our meddling in Ukraine back to the 50's and 60's replete with proof from released classified U.S. documents. Your statement is ignorant.
Tell the people in the Donbas about their desire to be a part of Russia.....oh wait....they already voted on it and said they wanted to join them. Kinda makes sense since they were previously a Russian State. Shocking as it may seem Russian-speaking descendants of Russia who do business with Russia and interact with them daily may want to be part of Russia as opposed to the western-installed fascist government that shelled (civilians) them for 8 years after the coup. Crazy right?
2014 年的事情与此息息相关。那是在 2010 年民主选举的对俄罗斯友好的总统被西方非政府组织约翰麦凯恩（和其他重要的西方政治家）支持的极端民族主义者罢免的时候。你实际上可以追溯到 50 年代和 60 年代我们对乌克兰的干涉，这些证据来自美国公开的机密文件。你的说法是无知的。
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An issue that is and was driven by the global reserve currency of USD. It was plain as day when the FED started monetizing debt. Just because it is happening to the world doesn't mean it wasn't caused by the U.S. or wasn't started here.
No we don't. That is the an insane statement coming from a country 31 plus trillion dollars in debt.
No. Still looking for a true rebuttal.
不，我们没有。这是来自一个拥有 31 万亿美元债务的国家的疯狂声明。
How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes?
A larger percentage of Americans speak English in their homes. Does that give the UK casus belli to invade?
If you told a republican in 1980 that a future us president rallied the entire west against an aggressive Russia and exposed them without even committing a single us troop, and at the cost of just a small percentage of our military budget, they would tell you that guy is the second coming of Reagan.
If it were trump doing this, his cultists would be cheering of what a great and powerful leader he is how he could embarrass Russia while still keeping america out of war.
But because it's Biden, all of a sudden it's terrible that we aren't just letting an aggressive country take whatever land they want from weaker neighbors.
如果你在 1980 年告诉一位共和党人，在未来一位美国总统召集了整个西方反对侵略性的俄罗斯，并在没有派遣一支美国军队的情况下榨干了他们，而且只花费了我们军事预算的一小部分，他们会告诉你这家伙是里根二代。
Not to mention that Russia hacked the GOP and DNC leading up to the 2016 elections, a literal attack on the U.S., but the GOP don't mind since only the left was harmed as a result.
更不用说俄罗斯在 2016 年大选前攻击了共和党和民主党全国委员会，这是对美国的字面攻击，但共和党并不介意，因为只有左派因此受到伤害。
You're getting downvoted, but you're right. There's a reason only the DNC emails were leaked and that's because Putin hates Hillary and wanted Trump in office instead. Hillary and Putin had an open rivalry leading up to the election.
They wanted the more divisive president in office, and they got their wish
Wonder what was said during the discussion that trump had with putin during his visit to finland which there are no transcxts or records of
Was there definitive proof that it was Russia or was that just the narrative?
Russia hacked the GOP and DNC
Lmao ... all elections in US have been hacked, someone might say stolen, since after Nov 1963. No different in 2016 or 2020, or before. The government is not being elected, they're sexted. Until the people wake up and realize this, might as well go stock up on popcorn and watch the stupid show.
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We spent 5% of our military budget to reduce Russian forces by 50%. That’s a massive ROI and didn’t cost a single American life.
我们花费了 5% 的军事预算来减少了50%的俄罗斯军队。这是一个巨大的投资回报率，而且没有让一个美国人丧生。
ROI eh? Typical American terrorist mentality. You use Ukraine as a battering ram for your greed purpose, innocent Ukrainians dead, you finance Nazi, ISIS, in Ukraine, all while shamelessly lecturing the world about human rights...
You and your country are scums of the earth.
There were Americans turned into soil fertilizer there. You guys should send more.
+1 Social Credit
Yes we’re terrorizing poor defenseless Putin who’s never done anything wrong.
To be fair most of us reasonable people are anti-war. Short of a revolution, we have zero control over what our government does.
Lol except of course the American mercenaries and special ops. Not to mention strangely all these « Ukrainian soliders » have American and UK accents and speak English. How can you even lie like that?
Lol stop sniffing Russian propaganda.
Lmao and the guys in the Russian uniforms using Russian military equipment are totally Ukrainians looking to join Russia and not just debadged Russian soldiers.
Stop lying ffs.
Ukraine is totally worth it.
Government dont fight for Ukraine, they want to see Putin fall
If Russian is allowed to go unchecked in Ukraine then it's stands to reason they will eventually try to get back the entirety of the soviet unx. Pretty cut and dry. Thank Trump and congress for the train disaster.
completely agree. putin wants to reinstate russia as a superpower. first place to begin is to take over the countries that were freed when the ussr collapsed. unfortunately for putin, those countries are fiercely patriotic and very determined to keep their independence.
To bring down Russia, to win the economy battle, Americans started this war, America is the one using Ukraine that’s why they’re pouring billions into a non NATO country. America is full or propaganda and lies
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America forced Putin to invade?
Wow, Putin is a lot weaker than we thought.
This didn’t start with the Russian invasion. Are you familiar with the CIA coup in 2014? Have you seen how Ukraine has treated ethnic Russians in Donbas?
The people telling you thet this is all Russian aggression are the same people that told us the vaccines are “safe and effective”. The same people that tell us we have a climate emergency , while they buy beachfront properties. The same people that tell us ukraines borders must be respected have left our southern border wide open for whoever wants to invite themselves in. The same people that say white supremacy is our biggest threat.
I could go on and on. Surely you see there is a pattern ?
This is the only reply that makes sense and its downvoted the most. why is the conspiracy thread full of pro-war, pro-msm leftist now? I even saw a comment saying that people who DONT believe in the mainstream news are sheep. realy 1984 shit. wtf is going on here?
They are propagandists. They believe MSM and government would not lie, or if they did, they’re too smart to be fooled. You are exactly right. - 1984 stuff. Doubtful they’ve read it.
他们是宣传员。他们相信主流媒体和政府不会说谎，或者即使说了谎，他们也觉得自己非常聪明，不会被愚弄。你说的完全正确。 这就是1984 。我怀疑他们是否读过它。