话题讨论:俄罗斯和乌克兰是如何努力维持火炮弹药供应的?
How Russia and Ukraine are struggling to keep up artillery ammunition supplies DW Analysis
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话题讨论:俄罗斯和乌克兰是如何努力维持火炮弹药供应的?
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Both Russia and Ukraine have been focusing on long range weapons. Which means finding enough of this has become a major priority for both sides. They are burning through a lot of resources as they pound each other with long-range artillery weapons. The weapons themselves come in many shapes and sizes.
俄罗斯和乌克兰都在关注远程武器。这意味着找到足够多的这种武器已经成为双方的首要任务。他们用远程火炮武器互相攻击,消耗了大量资源。这种武器本身有多种形状和大小。
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Estimates for how much ammunition both sides are using in the Ukraine war vary widely. Western experts estimate Ukraine used between 6,000 to 7,000 artillery shells a day in the summer of 2022, and Russia between 20,000 and 60,000. Exact numbers are military secrets. But even when considering conservative estimates, that's more than either side can produce itself. The Unites States, Ukraine's main supplier of ammunition, only produced around 500 rounds a day at the time. And that is just counting conventional shells, not rockets.
双方在乌克兰战争中使用的弹药数量估计差异很大。西方专家估计,在2022年夏天,乌克兰每天使用6,000至7,000发炮弹,俄罗斯每天使用20,000至60,000发炮弹。确切数字是军事机密。但即使保守估计,这个数字也超过了任何一方本身的产量。作为乌克兰主要的弹药供应国,美国当时每天只生产大约500发炮弹。这还只是计算常规炮弹,不包括火箭。
双方在乌克兰战争中使用的弹药数量估计差异很大。西方专家估计,在2022年夏天,乌克兰每天使用6,000至7,000发炮弹,俄罗斯每天使用20,000至60,000发炮弹。确切数字是军事机密。但即使保守估计,这个数字也超过了任何一方本身的产量。作为乌克兰主要的弹药供应国,美国当时每天只生产大约500发炮弹。这还只是计算常规炮弹,不包括火箭。
When it comes to Russian supplies, it's clear the country is digging deep into its stocks. Ukrainian officials say Russia is firing less artillery shells now than last year, and using old ammunition, which suggests the Russian military is trying to conserve shells.
说到俄罗斯的供应,很明显该国正在深入挖掘其库存。乌克兰官员说,俄罗斯现在发射的炮弹比去年少,而且使用的是旧弹药,这表明俄罗斯军方正在努力保存炮弹。
说到俄罗斯的供应,很明显该国正在深入挖掘其库存。乌克兰官员说,俄罗斯现在发射的炮弹比去年少,而且使用的是旧弹药,这表明俄罗斯军方正在努力保存炮弹。
Ukraine on the other hand has to deal with a mix of old Soviet equipment and modern weapons supplied by Western allies. Ukraine is dependent on those allies to deliver enough ammunition for the weapons they provided. And they need deal with the logistical issues, caused by all these different weapons needing all kinds of different supplies and parts. Both sides are now having to ration supplies, including ammunition. And upping capacities to re-stock will take a significant amount of time. For that, both sides depend on other nations. As the war drags on, these issues are likely to become even more important. Russia is expected to launch a fresh offensive that will keep burning through its stocks - and Ukraine is already pleading with the West for more ammunition to defend itself.”
另一方面,乌克兰必须应对苏联的旧装备和西方盟国提供的现代武器。乌克兰依赖这些盟友为其提供的武器供应足够的弹药。他们还需要应对后勤问题,因为所有这些不同的武器需要各种不同的物资和部件。双方现在都不得不定量供应物资,包括弹药。提高再储备的能力将需要相当长的时间。为此,双方都依赖其他国家。随着战争的持续,这些问题可能会变得更加重要。俄罗斯预计将发动新的攻势,继续消耗其库存,而乌克兰已经在恳求西方国家提供更多弹药来自卫。
另一方面,乌克兰必须应对苏联的旧装备和西方盟国提供的现代武器。乌克兰依赖这些盟友为其提供的武器供应足够的弹药。他们还需要应对后勤问题,因为所有这些不同的武器需要各种不同的物资和部件。双方现在都不得不定量供应物资,包括弹药。提高再储备的能力将需要相当长的时间。为此,双方都依赖其他国家。随着战争的持续,这些问题可能会变得更加重要。俄罗斯预计将发动新的攻势,继续消耗其库存,而乌克兰已经在恳求西方国家提供更多弹药来自卫。
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Artillery war is not war that Russia leads , artilery war is the only kind of war posible when u cant lift planes up and dont have air superiority. That will be pretty much every war between modern armies because if u have decent air defence systems in good quantity enemy cant establish air superiority and has to engage only in ground to ground shootouts.
俄罗斯在炮战方面并未领先,当飞机无法起飞,没有空中优势,炮战是唯一的一种战争形式。现代军队之间的每一场战争几乎都是这样,因为如果有大量像样的防空系统,敌人就无法建立空中优势,只能进行地对地的炮战。
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russia 60000 rounds perday
russia has air defence
russia has air superiority in conventional fixed wing, drones and missiles
newsflash russia is leading the artillery war
俄罗斯每天打6万炮弹,
俄罗斯拥有防空能力,
在常规固定翼、无人机和导弹方面拥有制空权,
简单地说,俄罗斯在炮火战中处于领先地位。
@@paulwalker427 There is no doubt that Russia has superior artillery and air force, but they cant lift they planes without substantial airplane losses and therefore they are not doing it. Having air superiority and establishing one are 2 different things. Gains are 2 small to justify loses.
毫无疑问,俄罗斯拥有强大的炮兵和空军,但他们无法在不损失大量飞机的情况下升起飞机,因此他们没有这么做。拥有空中优势和建立空中优势是两回事。得不偿失。
Ironic that as technology has advanced, the method of fighting has visually reverted to something similar to WWI
具有讽刺意味的是,尽管技术进步了,战斗方法看起来却已经恢复到与第一次世界大战类似的情况。
Check your history on that , as Russia was always a leader , and relied heavily on artillery to win.....However.....Russia never imagined that the war would last this long and thought firing 20 k shells a day would bring victory......Russia lost more soldiers in a month than in both Chechen wars , the attacker always ( almost ) losses 3-1 attacking fixed locations , which Russia has been failing at for months....In summary.....I did my thesis on failed invasions.....told thousands of gloating Putin fans in July that it was Russia's high point......and no matter how much more pain is coming....Russia can not win this war !
看看历史,俄罗斯一直是领导者,并且严重依赖火炮来赢得胜利.....然而.....俄罗斯从未想过战争会持续这么长时间,他们原本以为每天发射2万发炮弹就能取得胜利......俄罗斯在一个月内损失的士兵比在两次车臣战争中损失的士兵还要多,在攻击固定阵地时,攻方与守方的损失比总是(几乎)3-1,俄罗斯已经失败了几个月……总之……我的论文讲的是失败的入侵.....我在7月就告诉成千上万幸灾乐祸的普京粉丝,当时是俄罗斯的巅峰......不管接下来会有多少痛苦……俄罗斯赢不了这场战争!
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@@murrayflewelling1258 U need 3-1 ratio to perform succesfull assault but that doesnt mean that u will have 3-1 ratio in losses. Especially not when u have supperior artilery , mechanization and big quantity of long range missiles. For example in siege of Baghdad defender had 60-1 losses compared to attacker. Keep studying more for your thesis.
需要3-1的比例来执行成功的攻击,但这并不意味着会出现3-1的损失比例。尤其是当你拥有强大的炮兵、机械化和大量远程导弹的时候。例如在巴格达攻城战中,防守方对进攻方的损失比是60比1。为了你的论文,继续学习吧。
What happened to Ukrainian air force of 300+fighter jet strength (before the war) and also where is it gone the Mig-29 give by Baltic specially Poland.......
乌克兰空军(战前)的300多架战斗机去哪了,波罗的海国家,特别是波兰提供的米格-29去哪了.......
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@@dzoniii agree Nickola
同意,尼古拉。
Mostly destroyed, though they still have a small number left
大部分都被毁了,不过还有少量。
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My friend that has grand parents in Siberia. Said that currently the smoke stacks are going day and night. Productions at the steel plants are at full speed. The West needs to do the same and not wait.
我朋友的祖父母在西伯利亚。他说现在那里的烟囱日夜不停地运转。钢铁厂的生产正在全速进行。西方也需要这样做,而不是等待。
LMAO, we are not at war with Russia Ukraine is.
笑死,和俄罗斯打仗的又不是我们,而是乌克兰。
2 months ago Tanks were "key", ...1 month ago Planes were "key", now its ammunition, what would be "key" next month? beer cans?, ...as long as our taxes get paid
2个月前,坦克是“关键”……1个月前飞机是“关键”,现在是弹药,下个月什么是“关键”? 啤酒罐吗?……只要我们交税就行。
@@michaelbazzell6327 And who is arming them? A significant proportion of all the aid packages has been ammunition. In addition to advanced weapon systems like HIMARS, the imminent delivery of around 200 NATO-grade tanks, plus intelligence support it isn't unreasonable to call it a proxy war between Russia and the West.
谁在武装他们? 所有援助计划中有很大一部分都是弹药。除了像HIMARS这样的先进武器系统,还即将交付约200辆北约级坦克,加上情报支持,将其称为俄罗斯和西方之间的代理人战争并不是不合理的。
@@NeverRubARhubarb OMG, nations arming other nations. This has only been going on since the dawn of nationhood. Second Europe funded Russia with trillions in oil and gas over the last 20 years the biggest strategic mistake in modern history. I stand with my original assessment that it's Ukraine's war because they are fighting it.
天哪,国家武装其他国家。这种情况从建国之初就开始了。其次,欧洲在过去20年里通过购买俄罗斯的石油和天然气为俄罗斯提供了数万亿美元资金。,这是现代史上最大的战略错误。我坚持我最初的评估,这是乌克兰的战争,因为是他们在打仗。
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@@roberta4760 indeed, thats why we try to apply checks & balances, but when you have international lobbies, it becomes much difficult
的确,这就是为什么我们试图实施制衡,但当存在国际游说团体时,这就变得困难得多。
@@dennisrvd6248 i know my dear friend, pray for us please, after the poor Ukranians, we are the big losers
我知道,亲爱的朋友,请为我们祈祷,我们是可怜的乌克兰人之后的大输家。
@@MrDosonhai As a citizen of the most important nation in NATO, no we are not at war and you are delusional.
作为北约最重要国家的公民,不,我们没有处于战争状态,你是在妄想。
@@michaelbazzell6327 Haven't paid much attention, have you?
你没怎么注意,是吗?
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@@MrDosonhai Your definition of war is lacking so this isn't my problem.
你对战争的定义有缺陷,所以这不是我的问题。
Artillery shells production process is very complicated, surprisingly. The steel has to be shaped in a very specific way and hardened so it shatters upon detonation. Not only does the production require complex machinery and forges that fit a hundred shells, but to produce a large enough number to make a difference, these plants have to be monumental - massive in size, with thousands of employees.
令人惊讶的是,炮弹的制作过程非常复杂。钢必须以非常特殊的方式成形,并经过硬化,以便在爆炸时破碎。生产不仅需要复杂的机器和能制造百枚炮弹的锻造车间,而且要生产足够大的数量来产生不同的效果,这些工厂必须很大——巨大的规模,有数千名员工。
美国已经签订了合同,通过加班来增加现有工厂的产量(自战争开始以来一直在发生),它已经拨款数十亿美元大规模提高产量,开设了许多新工厂。其他国家,如德国和英国,已经承认他们的军事状况令人尴尬,并发誓要改善。
The only thing to do is stop doubling up and start the negotiate
唯一要做的就是停止加码,开始谈判。
smoke stacks run 24/7 in siberia every winter....it is the only way not to freeze to death....heating buildings has nothing to do with ammo production
西伯利亚的烟囱每年冬天都24/7运行……这是唯一不被冻死的方法……建筑供暖与弹药生产无关。
Or they could just have peace talks and actually stop fighting. But that doesn't get them billions of dollars and a free pass to eu now does it..
或者他们可以进行和平谈判,真正停止战斗。但这并不能让他们获得数十亿美元,以及免费进入欧盟的通行权,对吧?
Ukraine can build plants with the billions they got, not our problem.
乌克兰可以用他们得到的数十亿美元建工厂,不是我们的问题。
no
不。
One country vs 30 plus countries. That's truly powerful
一个国家对30多个国家。毛子真的很强大。
Indeed war is expensive and costs a lot of money and resources. That is why if a war is not brought to a conclusion quickly it ends up in a stalemate that can take many years to resolve. And the longer it take the more it will drag out because the resources incrementally decrease on both sides - this is called attrition. Until one side's morale finally breaks and or there is a major breakthrough causing the collapse of the opposing force where the fortunes can no longer be reversed either due to exhaustion or lack of weapons and supplies. Wars like this one is replete through out history and they always end up having to be settled on the negotiation table with a set of compromises by both sides.
战争确实很昂贵,需要花费大量的金钱和资源。这就是为什么如果一场战争不能迅速结束,就会陷入僵局,可能需要很多年才能解决。花费的时间越长,拖延的时间就越长,因为双方的资源都在逐渐减少,这就是所谓的消耗。直到一方的士气最终崩溃,或者出现重大突破,导致对方力量崩溃,局势无法再逆转——无论是由于疲惫还是缺乏武器和补给。历史上充满了这样的战争,总是不得不在谈判桌上解决,双方都做出了一系列妥协。
Stalemates can eventually be broken but it takes a lot of commitment. That's what happened in the 1st world war, and although it could be argued that it was settled diplomatically at Versailles, in reality the peace was dictated to the Central Powers by the Entente. After the Musse Argon offensive in late 1918 Imperial Germany just had nothing left.
相持最终是可以打破的,但这需要大量的决心。这就是第一次世界大战中发生的事情,尽管可以说这是在凡尔赛宫通过外交手段解决的,但实际上,这个和平是协约国强加给同盟国的。1918年末的Musse Argon攻势之后,德意志帝国已经一无所有。
A stalemate is when niether side can get a hand up on the other. Russia is going to devour the zelenski line whole...
相持是指任何一方都不能凌驾于另一方之上。而俄罗斯要把泽连斯基的战线整个吞下去……
@@operator9858 1 year later on a middle of stalemate? not going to happen.
一年后陷入僵局?不会发生的。
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@@pindot787 you do know that russia has a quarter million troops in reserve right now dont you?
你知道俄罗斯现在有25万预备役部队吧?
@@operator9858 Wont even matter, ukiraine train 50K new soldier each months in germany and various other countries, and already prepared for the new offensive. worst case russian would take bakhmut.
its still a long long road to kiev.
没关系,乌克兰每个月在德国和其他国家训练5万名新士兵,并且已经为新的攻势做好了准备。最坏的情况下,俄罗斯人会拿走巴赫穆特。
到基辅还有很长的路要走。
@@pindot787 50k? You mean 500 right? At least thats what google says...and thats not even going to slow russia down or replace losses man. They got a quarter million who have been training for months, who already have prior military experiance and they are already starting another mobilization. This war is over man. Ukraine doesnt stand a chance at this point.
5万? 你是说500对吧? 至少谷歌是这么说的……这根本不能减缓俄罗斯的速度或弥补损失。他们有25万人已经训练了几个月,他们已经有了军事经验,他们已经开始了另一次动员。这场战争结束了,伙计。乌克兰现在没有胜算。
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@@pindot787 i mean did you not see stoltenburg yesterday say how ammunition supplies will be slowing down and that ukraine will need to train to learn how to fire less ammo when they were already firing exponentially less then the russians are?
我的意思是,你昨天没有看到斯托尔滕伯格说,弹药供应将会放缓,乌克兰将需要训练,以学习如何节省弹药,而他们已经比俄罗斯节约得多了。
@@operator9858 Yeah yeah, the war is over, that what the russian side says 11 months ago. the war is faarr from over.
对对对,战争结束了,俄罗斯方面11个月前就这么说了。这场战争远未结束。
我们假设俄罗斯真的占领了基辅(这是极不可能的),抵抗将持续多年,榨干俄罗斯人的血。俄国人是赢不了这场战争的。
每个人曾经都认为俄罗斯将在几周内占领基辅,并为抵抗做了准备,但现在即使那些人也认为,俄罗斯没有办法占领基辅。
@@operator9858 it's so funny orc lovers think Russia can beat all 30 NATO countries and 17 out of the top 20 most powerful economies in the world.
真好笑,兽人爱好者们竟然认为俄罗斯可以击败总共30个北约国家和世界上最强大的20个经济体中的17个。
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“Ammunition is key” yeah I mean it’s kinda hard to fight a war without it…
“弹药是关键”是的,我的意思是没有它很难打一场战争……
Apparently the Russians have figured out how to keep fighting even when they ran out of ammunition multiple times so far. Perhaps Ukraine can learn from Russia how to do it.
显然,俄罗斯人已经找到了如何在弹药耗尽的情况下继续战斗的方法。或许乌克兰可以向俄罗斯学习如何做到这一点。
maybe Ukrainians can fight like the Cossacks and use sabers like the old days.
也许乌克兰人可以像哥萨克人一样战斗,像过去那样使用军刀。
@@javierfrancia1938 Id invest for the simple fact they’ve proved themselves worthy of the investment.
我会投资,因为他们已经证明了自己值得投资。
The key phrase in this video is where he asks if the West has the will to order the increased production
这段视频的关键是他问西方是否有意愿下令增加产量。
美国制造商表示,他们可以迅速提高产量,但他们只是在等待接到更多弹药的订单。
换句话说:除非他们知道自己会因此获得报酬,否则他们什么也不会做。
They can ramp.production from 2024
他们可以从2024年提产。
@@dzokavaac7307 not enough to make a difference in Ukraine. No donor to Kyiv is going to transition their country into a wartime economy for Zelensky.
但不足以改变乌克兰的局势。基辅的金主们不会为了泽连斯基将自己的国家转变为战时经济。
What do the shells cost? I can probably afford a few.
这些炮弹的价格是多少?我可能买得起一些。
Yeah get the Americans to pay for it, they pay for the worlds defense anyways… Don’t ask the Germans to pay for their own defense, they’ve got ze Amis doing it and prefer to spend it on their 6 weeks of vacation as relaxation from a hard 35hr week.
是啊,让美国人来买单吧,反正他们为世界的国防买单……别让德国人来为他们自己的国防买单,他们已经让米国人来做了,他们更喜欢把这笔钱花在6周的假期上,作为一周35小时的辛苦工作的放松。
Quote: The US Army announced Tuesday that it had awarded $522 million in orders to two companies to manufacture 155 mm artillery ammunition for Ukraine.
引述:美国陆军周二宣布,已向两家公司授予5.22亿美元的订单,为乌克兰制造155毫米火炮弹药。
这些订单是在1月30日正式决定的,由诺斯罗普·格鲁曼系统公司和全球军事产品公司承接,当时人们担心乌克兰正在迅速消耗来自美国和其他盟国的炮弹库存。
美国陆军在一份声明中说,新弹药的交付计划于今年3月开始。
@@bumpy783 I've never seen more truth in one comment
我从来没有在一个评论中看到过如此真实的东西。
@@SuperRede4u nice...what's more interesting is that you found a piece of info vital to THEIR REPORT. DW is fairly shoddynwhen it comes to research...they like a narrative...but seldom have anything to back it up.
不错……更有趣的是,你发现了一个对他们报告至关重要的信息。当谈到研究时,DW做的相当低劣……他们喜欢叙事……但很少有证据支持。
@@WillN2Go1 The low end is $200 for a 155mm shell. A SMArt 155 costs $20000. But the problem is not money, so far the war has cost us less than one percent of GDP. The problem is, you have to build factories and for that you have to tell manufacturers that you take enough to make it worth their while.
155毫米炮弹的最低售价为200美元。一枚155mm智能弹药的售价为20000美元。但问题不在于钱,到目前为止,这场战争只花了我们不到GDP的1%。问题是,我们必须建造工厂,为此,我们必须告诉制造商,我们付的钱足以让他们感到值得。
现在正在发生的事情是,德国开始大量生产155毫米,澳大利亚也是如此。意大利和法国加大对空火箭的生产,等等。每个国家似乎都有自己的专长领域。
这些必须在2023年底全部完成,否则库存将耗尽。我们必须生产更多的石油,而不仅仅是乌克兰所使用的,因为我们也希望填补和扩大库存。
As a stock holder and taxpayer, I approve of this policy!
作为一个股东和纳税人,我赞成这个政策!
As a Pakistani I fully support love and respect Ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity from Pakistan ☺️
作为一个巴基斯坦人,我完全支持并尊重乌克兰的主权和领土完整。
so how long you copy paste this same comment so far like 4 month ?
到目前为止,你复制粘贴这条评论有多长时间了,4个月?
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As a (insert country) I fully support love and respect Ukraine sovereignty and territorial integrity from Pakistan ☺
作为一个(填入国名)人,我完全支持和尊重乌克兰的主权和领土完整。
@@bluedragontoybash2463 As long as Putin is bothering Ukraine. Make Putin shrink back into his borders and we make this Youtube comment go. Your choice. face-blue-smiling
只要普京还在骚扰乌克兰。让普京回到他的边界,我们就能让这条Youtube评论消失。你选。
@@citronski wow.. somebody watch too much Suns News UK or Sky news apparently.
哇……有人看了太多英国太阳新闻或天空新闻。
@@bluedragontoybash2463 You sound distressed.
你听起来很苦恼。
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@@citronski Hey.. I am not the one attacking other people opinion
嘿……那个攻击别人观点的人不是我。
@@bluedragontoybash2463 You should know that you can talk to people if you have anxiety. Nothing to be ashamed of, i too worry sometimes.
你应该知道,如果你有焦虑,你可以和别人倾诉。没什么好羞愧的,我有时也担心。
@@citronski LOL, speak for yourself. I have no worry not even sometimes
哈哈,对你自己说吧。我没有担心,偶尔也没有。
At least some people over there support Ukraine. I've been surprised how many people across the border from you in India support Russia in this war..What did Ukraine ever do to upset them? I personally don't think they did anything, it sounds like more of another way to try to stick it to the US because we supported Pakistan throughout the cold war and not them.. Someone in another comment said it best. "It's pretty bad when you hate your enemy more than you love yourself."
至少有些人支持乌克兰。我很惊讶在这场战争中有这么多印度人支持俄罗斯,乌克兰做了什么让他们不高兴的事? 我个人不认为他们做了什么,这听起来更像是又一种试图让美国不爽的做法,因为我们在冷战期间支持巴基斯坦而不是他们。有人在另一条评论中说得最好。“当你恨你的敌人超过爱你自己时,这是非常糟糕的。”
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The USA has just signed contract(s) for $522 million of artillery for the Ukrainian forces. The 1st shipments of 155mm shells are due in March, so a few weeks to month at the most should see an uptick in artillery stock. If I was a betting guy I'd put my money on the allies over the orcs/ Iran /N Korea / China support for Putler in getting the job done.
美国刚刚为乌克兰军队签署了价值5.22亿美元的火炮合同。第一批155毫米炮弹将于3月交付,所以最多几周到一个月应该会看到炮弹库存的增加。如果我是一个赌徒,我会把我的钱押在盟友身上,而不是兽人/伊朗/朝鲜/中国身上,他们支持普特勒完成任务。
The Russians started with something like 17 million artillery rounds of all types, and have fired off a little more than half. This doesn’t count their production in the meantime, which at baseline was higher than the West.
俄罗斯人一开始有大约1700万发各种类型的炮弹,现在已经发射了一半多一点。这还不包括他们在此期间的产量,他们的产量基线高于西方。
俄罗斯没有坦克部队,只有有很多坦克的炮兵部队。他们储存的火炮系统比使用的多,尽管这些设备的状况受到质疑,比如他们巨大的后备坦克公园。
俄罗斯打持久战,所以他们要确保有很多东西。他们在战争的第一年,总是在动员更多的人员和装备的同时,用尸体来解决问题。我们去年所看到的情况与俄罗斯的作战方式完全一致。
@@williammorris584 That suggests about 24,000 shells a day (half of 17 million). This is at the low end of estimates. Plus daily production. I know a guy who is fighting there and has been in both Bakhmut and Vuhledar. He made the point to me that russian accuracy has diminished because of worn barrels and also quite a high percentage of duds. I asked him about air bursts. He said he was in a trench and there were six airburst shells fired at them. Two exploded as airbursts. Four were complete duds. Exceptional but indicative of a growing problem.
这意味着每天约有2.4万发炮弹(1700万枚的一半)。这是估计的下限。加上日产量。我认识一个在那里作战的人,他去过巴赫穆特和武勒达尔。他向我指出,俄罗斯的准确性已经下降,因为炮管磨损,而且哑弹的百分比相当高。我问他关于空爆的问题。他说他当时在战壕里,有六枚空爆弹向他们发射而来。有两枚为空爆,有四枚完全失效了。这是异常情况,但说明问题越来越严重。
@@oconnem1 I've been hearing this artillery barrels shpeel since the war started 9 months later nothing changed.
自从战争开始9个月后,我就一直听到炮声隆隆。
Also soldiers. Fighting age men are finite and Russia is burning through them like crazy. I read that most of the prisoners able to fight have already been sent to the front. Current estimates say they are losing 800 men a DAY right now but can sustain that attrition rate for up to a year. Bodies of Russians are going to blanket the countryside.
还有士兵。适合战斗年龄的人是有限的,而俄罗斯正在疯狂地消耗他们。我从书上读到,大多数能战斗的囚犯都已被派往前线。目前估计,他们现在每天损失800人,但这种减员率可以维持一年。俄罗斯人的尸体将铺满整个国家。
Downvoted for childish use of 'orcs' and 'Putler'.
给那些幼稚的说“兽人”和“普特勒”的人点踩。
I remember when Russia told China 3 weeks at most for Kiev.
我记得俄罗斯曾告诉中国,打下基辅至多3周。
I remember when they started this war A YEAR AGO! Russia is a paper tiger
我记得他们发起这场战争的时候,一年前!俄罗斯是纸老虎。
It will be way faster and definitely cheaper giving contract to manufacturers from China.. Just like other stuffs
把合同给中国制造商会更快,而且肯定更便宜。就像其他东西一样。
Thought Russia has run out of ammo last June, maybe it was even earlier when the west announced that.
我以为俄罗斯去年6月就已经弹尽粮绝了,也许西方过早的宣布了这一消息。
2022 NATO: Russia Will run out of ammunition
2023 NATO: WE are out of ammunition
2022年北约:俄罗斯将耗尽弹药。
2023年北约:我们没弹药了。
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