丹麦vs中国：哪国学生更有创造力？

FatDalek
I have seen this before. Its an older video back in the time when the average Westerner most probably weren't aware of Chinese innovations even though Huawei was churning out patents like how an American kid churns through candy. These days its a bit harder to doubt Chinese innovation when their own media publishes stories about scary Chinese hypersonic missiles are
 
我之前看过这个视频，有些年头了。当时的普通西方人可能并不知晓中国的创新能力，虽然那时候的华为就已经在大批量注册生产专利了。事到如今，当西方媒体不断地发表着中国高超音速导弹有多么可怕的报道时，再去质疑中国的创新能力就有点站不住脚了。
 
vindula pussepitiya
Innovation is based on knowledge. Agree 100%.
 
创新是以知识为基础的，我完全赞同这个观点。
 
4HORNS
According to the results of Lynn and Meisenberg’s research, for example, out of 108 countries and provinces, the United States and Denmark  rank 24th in IQ globally . The top 10 countries by average IQ are:
1. Hong Kong (108)  92% Chinese
2. Singapore (108)   74% Chinese
3. South Korea (106)
4. China (105)    99% Chinese
5. Japan (105)
6. Taiwan (105)   95% Chinese
7. Iceland (101)
8. Macau (101)    93% Chinese
9. Switzerland (101)
10. Austria (as well as Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, UK) (100)
24. United States(98)
 
举个例子吧，据林恩和梅森伯格的研究结果来看，在全世界受调查的108个国家以及地区中，美国和丹麦人的智商排在全球第24名，而国民平均智商排名前十的国家（及地区）则分别是：
1，华人人口占据92%的香港地区。（平均智商108）
2，华人人口占据74%的新加坡。（108）
3，韩国（106）
4，中国（105）
5，日本（105）
6，华人人口占95%的台湾地区（105）
7，冰岛（101）
8，华人人口占93%的澳门地区（101）
9，瑞士（101）
10，奥利地、列支敦士顿、卢森堡、荷兰、以及英国（100）
而美国则以98的平均智商排到了第24名
 
jiun ting yong
Higher IQ doesn't mean they are innovative and creative.
 
更高的智商并不意味着他们就更创新和更具创造力。
 
the1onlynoob
Based on the banner behind the Chinese students it appears that school is in the North Eastern Region of China, a city called 'Harbin', close to North Korea and Vladivostok of Russia. That region has historically been pretty poor and (unsurprisingly) ass freezingly cold. Not to mention it was one of the worst occupied regions during ww2 by the Japanese imperial army that did horrific things to the locals.To see them come this far is impressive. I'd wager a school in regions with more... central government focus... like Beijing, HK, Shenzhen, or Shanghai might perform even better.
 
根据这些中国学生身后的横幅来看，这所学校似乎位于中国东北地区一个名叫哈尔滨的城市，它非常靠近朝鲜和俄罗斯的符拉迪沃斯托克。该地区在历史上一直非常贫穷，而且极其寒冷。更别提它在二战期间还是遭受日本帝国军队侵略最严重的地区之一，日本人对当地人做过一些非常可怕的事情。看到他们能够发展到如今这种水平委实让人印象深刻。我敢断言，如果你在中国选择一些资源更加集中的地区，比如北京、香港、深州或是上海的学校，那么中国学生的表现可能会更好。
 
Mångata LK
When I watched this video on bilibili, one of the comments:
Before the test:Danes: We have the tradition of innovation, we will win
After:Danes: Chinese students care too much about win or lose, we care more about happiness.
 
当我在哔哩哔哩观看这个视频时，看到了这么一条评论：
测试前，丹麦人表示：我们拥有创新的传统，我们赢定了。
测试后，丹麦人表示：中国学生太在乎输赢了，而我们则更加关注快乐。
 
Blood Cotton Candy
Denmark should adopt a more straightforward education system. Have the students choose what they want to study and have the schools explain what is required for the student to be well rounded in that subject.
 
丹麦应该采纳一种更加直接了当的教育体系。让学生们选择自己想要学习的内容，并让学校向学生们解释清楚，想要在该学科内实现全面发展所需要具备的条件。
 
lily lily
chinese education system is the most fair education system in the world. Even you are rich, if your score did not reach the university line, you also can not get in that university.  If your score reach the level of that university, even you have no money pay the tuition, you also can get in this university, and graduate from this university. I had a classmate before, her family is very poor, she can not offer the tuition at all. but because her score reached the entrance level of this university. The university must accept her, and also offer her lots of scholarship to make her finished the 4 years studying in China. I think this is the reason why china education always give more chance to the students who are study hard, who are tanlent, who are excellent , and good .but western education only give chance to the people who have the money,  who is richer, who get more chance
 
中国的教育制度是世界上最公平的教育制度。即便你家里非常富裕，如果你的分数没有达到分数线的话，那么你就进不了自己想去的大学。如果你的分数达到了那所大学的录取分，即便你没有足够的钱去支付学费，你最终依然能够顺利就读这所大学，并从那里毕业。我以前那有一个家里十分贫穷的同学，她根本无法负担学费。然而由于她的分数已经达到了那所大学的录取线，所以这所大学必须接纳她，为她提供大量的奖学金，并让她顺利地完成了4年的学业。我想，这就是为何中国的教育体系总能给那些学习努力、聪明以及优秀的学生提供更多的机会。而西方的教育体系却只给那些有钱人提供机会，谁更有钱，谁就能获得更多的机会。
 
loscar
Yes, specially American "prestigious" Ivy League Universities. Only those with the greater donations will get accepted.
 
确实，特别是美国“负有盛名”的常青藤联盟，只有那些向学校捐款的学生才会被录取。
 
Sebastijana
Wow... That was surprisingly interesting. Thank you!
 
哇哦，这个视频非常有趣，谢谢你！
 
Tony Yao
I have been live in west for decades, westerners are good at many things, but not superior-at all. On the other hand, people from other parts of world are good at some other things. Each system has its pro and con. Given the same environment, each race //ethnic group can be equally competent. It is an environment difference, not human race.
 
我在西方生活了几十年，西方人擅长很多事情，但是他们并不比他人优越。而在另一方面，来自世界其他地方的人则擅长其他一些东西。每一种制度都有其利弊。如果我们把每一种族和民族放在同一个环境之下的话，那么他们便会拥有旗鼓相当的能力。是环境造就了差距，而非人种。
 
dragondescendant1
Lets put it this way, Chinese students are generally more knowledgeable, more educated as the video has stated, while western students are not. Western student is like a piece of blank paper, everything they draw would be so-called "innovative", because they know of nothing else, everything they draw is knee jerk action. Chinese students on the other hand are more knowledgeable, more educated, things they drew are based on what their extensive education background, more traditional if you will. You cannot say Chinese students are not innovative, because their expression are some what bound by their knowledge, education background. In the long run, who will be the winner? Chinese students, of course, if somebody do not know doe re mi in music, it is impossible to be a innovative composer. Denmark vs China, which country has the most patent registrations? who is the superpower? answer is crystal clear.
 
这么说吧，中国学生通常往往拥有更丰富的知识，而西方学生则不然。西方学生就像是一张白纸，他们所画的一切都是所谓的“创新”。而在另一方面，中国学生则掌握了更多的知识，他们的受教育程度更高，因此他们所画的东西则是基于他们广泛的教育背景，所以他们的画显得更为传统。但是你不能说中国学生没有创新精神，因为他们的表达基于自己的知识和教育背景。从长远来看，谁会成为最终的赢家？当然是中国学生。如果一个人连doremi是啥都不知道的话，他就不可能成为一个具备创新能力的作曲家。丹麦VS中国，哪个国家拥有最多的专利注册？哪一个国家是超级大国？答案显而易见。
 
ACTAN0NVERBA
dragondescendant1 what a broad generalization... and also, one country has a billin people, the pther 6 million, ofc the other country will have waay waay more patents.
 
你这也太一概而论了...而且一个拥有十几亿人口的国家所拥有的专利自然会远远多于一个只拥有600万人口的国家。
 
ACTAN0NVERBA
As a high IQ Dane, I suffered greatly under the Danish school system, it does not allow for good students to excell, but rather allow the poor students to pull all the students down to their level - I had to move to Switzerland, and go to bording school. We are so stuck up our own ass in the West. And we are paying the price now.
 
作为一个高智商的丹麦人，我在丹麦的学校制度下遭受了巨大的痛苦，它根本不允许优秀的学生表现出众，而是放任差生将所有的学生都拉低到他们的水平线---我不得不搬到瑞士，去了那里的一家寄宿学校。我们西方人实在太自以为是了，我们正在为此付出代价。
 
Dr B
Yeah, western countries overindulge self victimization to the expense of the real talented people. Being smart in a country that privileges a political agenda (mostly lefty) over long-term development priorities is the recipe for disaster.
 
是啊，西方国家过度沉迷于自我伤害，它们牺牲了太多真正拥有才华的人。在一个将政治议程（主要是左翼）置于长期发展之上的国家，当一个聪明人简直就是一场灾难。
 
Shirley
The comment section kind of disgusts me... Why do people need to show their own superiorty by bringing others down? There's no perfect educational system, China and Denmark are both great countries and made excellent contributions to the world. We need to learn from each other and introspect the problems in our educational system.
 
评论区有点恶心到我了...为什么人们要通过贬低他人来彰显自己的优越呢？世界上没有完美的教育体系，中国和丹麦都是伟大的国家，她们都为这个世界做出了卓越的贡献。我们需要做的是相互学习，然后反思自己的教育体系中所存在的问题。
 
C J Allison
I think the Chinese are more creative, more serious in study, more efficient, work better together and are respectful of their teachers and parents. The Danish students in general are not very serious about studies, have less respect for teachers and their parents...
 
我觉得中国人更有创造力，他们的学习态度更加认真、效率更高也更加注重合作，中国学生尊重自己的老师和父母。与此同时，丹麦学生一般不会太认真学习，也不尊重自己的老师和父母...
 
Copy Paste Bot
Not true
 
并非如此
 
Han W
I don't believe that Danish students are less creative than Chinese students, but they were not taking things seriously as much as Chinese students. On the other hand, Chinese students taking every thing as a real competition. Danish students can't realize this.
 
我不认为丹麦学生不如中国学生有创造力，但是他们确实不像中国学生那样认真地对待事物。而在另一方面，中国学生把每一件事情都当成了一场真正的竞争，这是丹麦学生无法意识到的一点。
 
Shuangling Yin
This is so interesting. The woman in the end said something true. Chinese care about the results. They want to win. But whether it's a "good" thing or not is a problem.
 
这个视频太有趣了，那个女人在最后道出了真相。中国人在乎结果，他们想要赢。但是这是不是一件“好事”就是另一个问题了。
 
Hauki Fisher
@Shuangling Yin   so those Danish kids did not wanna win? if they didnt, why did they even make this program
 
@Shuangling Yin  所以那些丹麦孩子就不想赢了吗？如果他们不想赢的话，他们为什么还要参加这个节目？
 
RuyBlas
@Hauki Fisher  those danish students want to feel good about themselves and not improve
 
@Hauki Fisher   那些丹麦学生想要的是自我感觉良好，而不是去提高。
 
science poli
is danish school african school?? lol full of immigrants. my country south korea is 99% korean very nice place no muslims no jewish
 
这是丹麦学校还是非洲学校啊？哈哈，班级里全是移民。我们国家韩国99%的人口都是朝鲜族人，没有穆斯林，也没有犹太人。
 
curious_s
why do danish students draw dicks and boobs and Chinese students don't? Because "Free thinking"
 
为什么丹麦学生在纸上画了鸡鸡和乃子，而中国学生则没有画这些？因为“自由的思想”
 
Short-Promotion5343
They also have easier access to porn.
 
他们也更容易接触到色情片。
 
Short-Promotion5343
Danish students win on confidence. Too bad it doesn't translate into actual achievement. Innovation and intelligence are closely correlated. I'm not surprised by the results.
 
丹麦学生在自信这块上赢了，可惜这种自信并没有转换成为切实的成就。创新力和智力密切相关，这个结果丝毫不会让我感到惊讶。
 
SadArtemis
Not surprising IMO, western culture prioritizes and rewards aggression, assertiveness, charisma, and ruthlessness, not talent.
 
在我看来，这个结果并不奇怪。西方文化倾向于奖励侵略性、自信、魅力以及冷酷等品质，而不是去奖励才能。
 
shhroompicker
Capitalism rewards the most apathetic, ruthless and immoral. In a society, it's sociopathy is normalized.
 
资本主义奖励那些最冷漠、无情和不道德的人。在这样一个社会中，反社会已经成为了一种正常现象。
 
Real-Mouse-554
Thats American, not western culture.Denmark is very different from US.
 
你说的是美国文化，而不是西方文化。丹麦和美国可是不同的。
 
Maleficent_Moose_802
Indeed, Denmark have Dolphins and whales killing festival. They unleashes their barbarity to dolphins and whales, instead of shooting people. That’s really different.
 
确实，丹麦有捕杀海豚和鲸鱼的节日。他们在海豚和鲸鱼身上释放出了自己的野蛮，而不是在人类身上。区别可真大呢。
 
WeilaiHope
But i heard Chinese people are all ants without independent thought who have no creativity and that is why they'll never surpass the west??How can they possibly beat Westerners in creativity?
 
不过我听人说中国人都是没有独立思想、没有创造力的蚂蚁，这也正是他们永远不会超过西方的理由啊！他们怎么可能在创造力这方面击败西方人呢？
 
elBottoo
they overvalue themselves and are born with propaganda about how "free they are" and how much more "Creative".Its all BS.simple test like in the video, proves it straight away. They are just in denial about the turth.
 
他们过分高估了自己，从西方人一出生起，他们就被灌输自己是有多么的“自由”，多么的具有创造力。这全是胡扯。正如视频所展示的那样，一个简简单单的测试就能让他们无所遁形。他们只是在否认事实罢了。
 
conan--cimmerian
yeah i have no idea how they think less knowledge = more innnovation. wut? innovation must be based on something - on previous knowledge. without previous knowledge there can be no innovation
 
是啊，我实在无法理解，他们居然会认为知识越少就等同于创造力越强。啥啊这是？创新是建立在知识的基础之上的。没有先前的知识累计，你就不可能作出任何的创新。
 
supulma
For some time I've been thinking this trend in education to move away from memorization and knowledge retention in favor of creativity and reasoning is misguided. Obviously the latter are necessary skills that must be pursued, but the former are what make it possible to achieve them. It's like asking someone to win a boxing match without punching bags, jogging and skipping rope everyday.
 
很长一段时间以来，我一直觉得教育从死记硬背和记忆知识转向培养创造力和推理能力的趋势被误导了。显然，创造力和推理能力是我们必须去追求的必要技能，但是只有在我们积累足够的知识之后，后者才能成为可能。这就好似指望一位拳击手在舍弃跳绳，跑步，打沙袋这些日常训练的情况下赢得一场拳击比赛。
 
TserriednichHuiGuo
Creativity is not possible without the foundation of knowledge.To think outside the box one needs to be aware of what's in the box.
 
没有知识作为基础，一个人就不可能培养出什么创造力。想要跳出盒子思考，你首先得知道盒子里面有些什么东西。
 
conan--cimmerian
in order to reason and "be creative" (whatever that means) you first need a baseline of knowledge to draw from. otherwise you don't have enough information to draw on to make interesting conclusions.
 
想要拥有“创造力”（天知道它究竟指的是什么），你首先需要一个可以去借鉴的知识框架，否则你根本没有足够的信息去得出一个有趣的结论。