QA：在“彩虹之国”南非中，为什么只有白人城镇在蓬勃发展？
Why are white residents-only towns booming in the ''Rainbow Nation'' of South Africa?
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因为我们白人接受我们必须为我们想要的东西而工作的理念。
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Why are white residents-only towns booming in the 'Rainbow Nation' of South Africa?
在“彩虹之国”南非中，为什么只有白人城镇在蓬勃发展？
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Lives in Cape Town (2015–present)
Because we as white people accept that we have to work for what we want. We dont expect the government to give us everything we want. We throw our trash in the bin not beside it. We pay for services even when we dont get any. We are proud of our white heritage and prefer to live in a clean environment, so we keep our neighbourhoods clean when the Municipality does not do what we pay them for. We dont take stuff that belongs to someone else even when it is lieing unattended. We dont blame the world for what happened in history. We get on with it and make the best life we can. History is history tomorrow is where we can make a difference so we concentrate on that. We dont expect handouts we know we have to create our own future , and dont ask someone else to create it for us. We are forced to make our own destiny and work toward it for ourselves even when government legislation forces us to give 50% of our businesses away. So we make a plan and carry on as individuals so we dont have to GIVE anything away. Our officials are held accountable and in most cases do not steal the money supposed to be used for the benefit of the community. So our towns work even though its an upward battle to keep them out of the hands of the thieving ANC cadres.
生活在开普敦(2015-至今)
因为我们白人接受我们必须为我们想要的东西而工作的理念。我们不指望政府能给我们想要的一切。我们把垃圾扔进垃圾桶，而不是扔在身边。我们为服务付费，即使我们没有得到任何服务。我们为我们的白人遗产感到自豪，并且喜欢生活在一个干净的环境中，所以当市政府不做我们付钱给他们做的事情时，我们也会保持我们社区的清洁。我们不拿属于别人的东西，即使它丢在那里无人看管。我们不会为历史上发生的事情怪罪世界。我们要继续努力，创造我们能做到的最好的生活。历史就是历史，明天是我们能够有所作为的地方，所以我们集中精力。
我们不期待施舍，我们知道我们必须创造我们自己的未来，而不是要求别人为我们创造。我们被迫创造自己的命运，并为自己的命运而努力，即使政府立法迫使我们放弃50%的业务。因此，我们制定一个计划，并作为个人努力，这样我们就不必放弃任何东西了。我们的官员被追究责任，但在大多数情况下，他们不会偷窃本应用于社区利益的资金。因此，我们的城镇的运转是有效的，尽管这是一场非对称的战斗，以防止它们落入偷窃的非国大干部手中。
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When blacks start moving into nice neighborhoods the neighborhoods go to shit that happened to the two Towers in San Francisco by Geneva it used to be real nice place to live . Then black started moving there because of section 8 and white people started moving out and it all went to shit
当黑人开始搬进不错的社区时，社区就会变得一团糟，旧金山双塔社区就发生了这种情况，它曾经是一个真正的宜居之地。然后因为住房法第八条，黑人开始搬到那里，白人开始搬走，这一切都变成了狗屎。
When my parents got married in 1951 the lived in the north end of Hartford, CT. Very nice neighborhood. They moved out in 1960. The Blacks started to move in and most of the Whits moved out.
The north end is now the most crime ridden, drug infested part of the city.
我父母在1951年结婚时，住在康涅狄格州哈特福德的北端。那是一个非常好的社区。他们在1960年搬出。黑人开始迁入，大多数白人搬走。
现在，北端是该市犯罪率最高、毒品泛滥的地区。
Can you please be a bit more specific? Are you also referring to the millions of hard-working, God-fearing, law-abiding, and civic-minded “Blacks” across the world? There’s a big difference. Please make the distinction.
I’m what society would call “Black” and live in a multi-racial southern US community, where many “Blacks”, “Whites”, Asians, etc. live in harmony. And by the way, it’s what even you would call a nice place to live. There’s many other communities like it.
Stop stereotyping an entire group of people just because of skin color. It’s tiresome and sinful.
Just like not all “Whites” are murderous, hateful, arrogant thieves. Not all “Blacks” are lazy, welfare-loving, violent thugs.
你能说得更具体一点？你的指控是否也包含了世界各地数以百万计的勤奋工作、敬畏上帝、遵守法律和具有公民意识的"黑人"？这有很大的区别。请作出区分。
我是社会上所说的"黑人"，生活在美国南部的一个多种族社区，那里有许多"黑人"、"白人"、亚洲人等，和谐相处。顺便说一句，这也是一个连你都会说是一个好地方的地方。还有许多其他类似的社区。
不要再因为肤色而对整个群体产生成见。这是令人厌烦和罪恶的。
就像不是所有的"白人"都是凶残的、可恨的、傲慢的盗贼。并非所有的"黑人"都是懒惰的、热爱福利的、暴力的恶棍。
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I live in a previously white neighborhood in South Africa for the past 35 years. Both my neighbors are black now. One is a lawyer. Can I send you photographs of what it looks like in front of their yards? Compared to what it looks like in front of mine? They are the ones damaging the reputation of your race, not me.
在过去的35年里，我一直住在南非的一个以前是白人的社区。我的两个邻居现在都是黑人。其中一个是律师。用我把他们院子前面的照片发给你吗？再拿我的院子前的情况和他们比一比看看是什么样子？他们才是损害你们种族声誉的人，而不是我。
Why are most of the poorest, most crime and drug infested cities mostly inhabited by minorities ?
为什么大多数最贫穷、犯罪率最高、毒品泛滥的城市大多是少数族裔居住的地方？
I was under the impression that in South Africa, whites are the minority.
我的印象是，在南非，白人是少数。
We are very much the minority. 2,7million whites,57million blacks.
我们是非常少数的。270万白人，5700万黑人。
Reading this feels a little like my hometown of Chicago, a great but challlenged city. One point - the term “minorities” applied to people not hailing from Europe is soon to be a misnomer in the US. The White/ European population is now barely a majority in the US, and many apparently no longer think it’s worth their time to raise a family. A low birthrate combined with “deaths of despair” pushes down the percentage every year. My obxtion to the use of the word “minorities” is because I think it is contributing to the masking of this problem. Instead of acknowledging the data, all we hear about is “white privilege”, “white supremacy” etc..
读这里感觉有点像我的家乡芝加哥，一个伟大但充满挑战的城市。有一点--在美国，适用于非欧洲人的"少数族裔"一词很快就会成为一个错误用词。白人/欧洲人现在在美国几乎不占多数，而且许多人显然不再认为生活值得他们去养家糊口。低出生率加上"死于绝望"，每年都在推低这个百分比。我反对使用"少数族裔"这个词，因为我认为它促成了对这个问题的掩盖。我们听到的不是承认这些真实的数据，而是"白人特权"、"白人至上"等等。
Would you and your associates please move to America? We could use you.
你和你的伙伴们能不能搬到美国去呢？我们可以用得上你们。
Janet we all would if we could afford it. But! with an exchange rate of 17 to 1 It is NOT possible. Most of our children have left to find a better and safer life elsewhere, and we are left behind to watch the steady decline in chaos and famine.
如果我们能负担得起，我们都会这样做。但是！在17比1的汇率下，这是不可能的。我们的大多数孩子已经离开，去其他地方寻找更好、更安全的生活，而我们则被留在后面，看着国家在混乱和饥荒中稳步衰落。
So sad to read this Jan. I worked with a guy who had brought his family to Scotland to feel safe.
Did what you describe start under Mandela, who I always thought to be a cause of good changes, or has it all come about since his retirement /death?
听到这个我很难过。我和一个家伙一起工作，他把他的家人带到了苏格兰以获得安全感。
你所描述的情况是在曼德拉时期开始的？我一直认为他是带来良好变化的原因，还是说这一切都是在他退休/去世后发生的？
Mandela was good to his people. He made sure blacks got shares in companies He laid the foundation of BBBEEE. A black empowerment movement that allows a certain amount of blacks to be employed irrespective if they can do the job or not. He implemented that lucrative packages be granted to workers to retire from their jobs, making way for blacks to fill the positions. During his time in office, they already started to neglect to do regular maintenance. Our true qualified and experienced work force left our shores. More blacks must be enrolled into universities than any other race. More blacks must be employed than any other race. A black owned company are allowed to have black only staff members but none other race are allowed too. Is this Democracy? Mandela was no angel. People use his name to enrich themselves.
曼德拉对他的人民很好。他确保黑人在公司中获得股份，他为BBBEEE奠定了基础。这是一个黑人赋权运动，允许一定数量的黑人被雇用，不管他们是否能胜任工作。他实施了向退休工人提供丰厚待遇的计划，让工人从工作岗位上退休，为黑人填补这些职位让路。在他执政期间，他们已经开始疏于定期维护。我们真正合格和有经验的劳动力离开了我们的海岸。进入大学的黑人必须比其他种族多。必须有比其他任何种族更多的黑人被雇用。黑人拥有的公司只允许有黑人员工，而不允许雇佣其他种族的人。这就是民主吗？曼德拉不是天使。人们利用他的名字来充实自己的口袋。
Mandela prevented civil war and it wouldn't have only been white vs black, It would've been black on black too. Other than that read Shahiedas reply. They don't like Indians either. But blacks aren't Racist it's xenophobia BS.
曼德拉阻止了内战的发生，而且不只是白人对黑人，也会是黑人对黑人。除此以外，请阅读Shahiedas的答复。他们也不喜欢印度人。但黑人不是种族主义者，这是仇外心理。
My Brother a qualified Diesel mechanic and his wife a Maths & Science High school teacher did that and They WOULDN'T recognize their qualifications,even though they both have decades of experience in South Africa and New Zealand!She had to totally redo her degree which took years while my brother worked at a tyre shop where they kept calling him to the mechanical workshop side to solve problems the American mechanics couldnt do!They of course exploited him and continued to pay him as a tyre fitter until he had enough and quit!
我的哥哥是一名合格的柴油机机械师，他的妻子是一名高中数学和科学教师，但这些人不承认他们的资格，尽管他们在南非和新西兰都有几十年的经验！她不得不花了几年时间完全重考她的学位，而我的哥哥在一家轮胎店工作，他们不断叫他去机械车间那边解决美国机械师都解决不了的问题！他们当然是在剥削他，继续只支付他作为一个轮胎装配工的工资，直到他受够了而辞职。
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Old story. After the WW2 many highly qualified Europeans wanted to emigrate to the USA. They all spoke English but were refused entry because the did not have a 1,00,000 US$ deposit. Germans who had fought against the USA however were welcomed with open arms. Such is life in reality.
老故事了。二战后，许多高素质的欧洲人想移民到美国。他们都会说英语，但被拒绝入境，因为他们没有100,000美元的存款抵押。然而，那些曾经与美国作战的德国人却受到了张开双臂的欢迎。这就是现实生活。
My eldest daughter and her husband moved to the USA around 2002, have established themselves with their own family and are flourishing
Thanks for the welcome - I felt welcome when I visited there
我的大女儿和她的丈夫在2002年左右搬到了美国，已经建立了自己的家庭，并且正在蓬勃发展。
谢谢你的欢迎--当我访问那里时，我感到很受欢迎。
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And this Community Conduct should be in everyone who wants to be better by doing better. It's not just White People there are plenty Black People that are proud of being part of a great Community. We work hard and deserve a clean decent place to live. No handouts or hand ups. If people are poor and less fortunate, they still should do everything to keep their property clean and have respect for themselves. I see depression in White and Black Communities where they just don't care. It's heartbreaking.
每个想通过做得更好从而变得更好的人都应该拥有这种社区。不仅仅是白人，也有很多黑人为自己是一个伟大社区的一分子而感到自豪。我们努力工作，理应有一个干净体面的生活场所。不需要施舍或帮助。即使人们穷困潦倒，他们仍然应该尽一切努力保持他们的财产来源清白，并尊重自己。我在白人和黑人社区都看到了根本不在乎这些的绝望的人。这是令人心碎的。
Would love you guys in the uk. Desperately need decent people like you with a work ethic. We get 40% Albanian criminals in boats and the rest free loaders after free stuff.
我希望你们能来英国。这里急需像你们这样有职业道德的体面人。在来英国的船上我们有40%是阿尔巴尼亚犯罪分子，其余的是追求免费东西的投机主义者。
Two of the many postive attributes of White
people is our resiliance!
And we adapt!
白人的许多积极属性中的两个
我们的韧性!
和我们的适应力!
This is nothing but a racist ranting. Where have you seen whites doing things for themselves here in South Africa? You mention that people want handouts and freebies. You're just disappointed that most blacks are not employed by you anymore. You talk as if whites don't commit crime when we know very well that you do. How many whites are now rich because of the apartheid corruption let alone the Tinder scammers. It is just unfortunate that some people within the ANC had resorted to bread and butter politics that is detrimental to the financial well-being of majority of the citizens. Is it only indigenous African people that are receiving grants in South Africa? Look at the statistics before answering me and I am sure that you will be shocked. It's lucky that the perpetrators of corruption are facing the might of the law. You're one of the people that were voting for segregation government and are bitter because Africans are in charge of their affairs in Africa. We will never have a true rainbow nation when there are still racists like you that grasp any opportunity to bad mouth our country. You're allowed to leave the country and allow those that are interested in building the country in peace. I cherish the idea of a free and democratic South Africa where all races live in peace.
这只不过是一个种族主义者的咆哮。在南非，你在哪里看到过白人为自己做事？你提到人们想要施舍和免费的东西。你只是对大多数黑人不再受雇于你感到失望。当我们都清楚你们的罪行时，你说得好像白人不犯罪一样。现在有多少白人因为种族隔离制度的腐败而致富，更不用说Tinder上的骗子了。只是不幸的是，非国大内部的一些人诉诸于面包和黄油政治，这对大多数公民的经济福祉是不利的。在南非，只有非洲土著人在接受补助吗？在回答我之前先看看统计数据，我相信你会感到震惊。幸运的是，腐败的肇事者正面临着法律的威力。
你是那种仍会为种族隔离政府投票的人之一，并且因为非洲人在非洲负责他们的事务而感到痛苦。当仍然有像你这样的种族主义者抓住任何机会说我们国家的坏话时，我们永远不会有一个真正的彩虹之国。希望你离开这个国家，让那些有志于建设国家的人和平相处。我珍视一个自由民主的南非，以及所有种族都和平共处的理想。
There we go again. Out comes the race card. If you all had the courage to admit that you are the problem and not history, Africa would not be the mess it is! NO MOST BLACKS ARE UNEMPLOYED> AND MOST ARE UNEMPLOYABLE BECAUSE THE ANC HAVE NOT EDUCATED THEM PROPERLY!! How many blacks are now Rich because of BEE? at the expense of their own people?I suggest you DO LOOK at the Statistics!! What Might and what Law?? Who is facing it? NO I am disappointed at the way Africans have taken charge and turned a perfectly viable option, (ANC rule)into a complete mess of corruption and lawlessness! My bud I am not grasping at an opportunity to bad mouth our country the news of what is going on, leaves no need to grasp at anything.
又来喽。又开始打种族牌了。如果你们都有勇气承认你们才是问题所在，而不是历史，非洲就不会是现在这样一团糟了。不，大多数黑人失业是因为非国大没有对他们进行适当的教育！!现在有多少黑人是因为以牺牲自己人民为代价的BEE(黑人经济赋权)而变得富有？我建议你看一下统计数字！！！什么权力和法律？什么是权力，什么是法律？谁在面对它？不，我对非洲人负责的方式感到失望，他们把一个完全可行的选择（非国大的统治）变成了一个完全混乱的腐败和无法无天的地方！我的朋友，我不是在抓住机会说我们国家的坏话，现在发生的事情根本没有必要“抓住机会”去说。这一切都可以在那里看到听到和体验到。
你的种族中究竟有谁对建设好国家感兴趣？如果你和你的伙伴们都完成了所需要做的工作，这个国家就不需要建设了！因为它已经建成了，你们要做的就是接管并妥善管理它，而不是盗窃所有的钱。要为无家可归者建造不会倒塌的房子，教育大众，并与现有的企业一起创造就业机会。不要威胁无偿征用，不要强奸和杀害比世界上任何其他国家（包括战争中的国家）更多的妇女和儿童！! 不要打种族牌，把所有的缺点都归咎于种族隔离制度，忘记你的部落，平等地接受每个人，然后也只有这样，大家才能把一个曾经伟大的国家重新建设成一个更加伟大的国家。
帮你自己一个忙，站在镜子前，诚实地问自己，为什么南非会如此混乱。为什么离开南非的黑人专业人士比白人多？（统计数字）为什么南非85%的下水道工程不能运行，为什么只有DA（注：南非民主联盟，南非政党，官方的反对党。2009年大选后成为西开普省的执政党。）管理的城镇和市政当局在工作？为什么由DA管理的城镇和城市是唯一每年都有清洁审计的？自执政以来，国民大会党政府修建了多少条高速公路？有多少水坝，有多少发电站在运行？然后问问你自己，自从你和你的兄弟们接管后，有什么东西被破坏了......让我来提示一下你。
DENEL是世界上最成功的军火制造商之一，为南非政府带来了数十亿美元的收入，ESKOM在1988年被评为世界上最成功和运营得最好的电力公司，1992年南非的失业率为15%，目前我们的失业率为37%。扔掉种族卡，管好自己的烂摊子。世界已经受够了非洲人对历史的指责，而不是管好自己的烂摊子。只要看看北方，你就会看到南非的未来。它并不美丽。
All the best guys, all the best.
White people value relationships to things, they want to own and control.
Our African culture values relationships with people, we want to treat everyone as equals.
Now this is where our conflict with European culture comes in as I see it. Having said that though, I believe there are disciplines we can learn from and about you.
To show that you are not committed to this continent, you send you kids back to Europe when the going gets tough. Enjoy.
African leaders are behaving the way they do because there is an incentive that meets their needs. They are also not committed to this continent.
祝你们一切顺利，伙计们，一切顺利。
白人重视与事物的关系，他们想拥有和控制。
我们的非洲文化重视与人的关系，我们想平等地对待每个人。
在我看来，这就是我们与欧洲文化冲突的地方。虽然如此，我相信我们可以从你们那里学到一些纪律。
你们没有致力于这个大陆，你们在困难的时候把孩子送回欧洲。请随意。
非洲领导人之所以有这样的行为，是因为有一个符合他们需要的激励机制。他们也没有致力于这片大陆。
Dear Mr Bakgalaka Ba Borwa, we dont send our kids away when the going gets tough, we send them away because we don’t want to bury our children! Have you seen the latest stats on murder rape and abuse of kids in South Africa. As a matter of fact you may want to know that there are more black families leaving SA than white.
亲爱的Bakgalaka Ba Borwa先生，我们不会在困难的时候送走我们的孩子，我们送走他们是因为我们不想埋葬我们的孩子。你有没有看到关于南非谋杀、强奸和虐待儿童的最新统计数据？事实上，你可能想知道的一个数据是，离开南非的黑人家庭比白人多。
I’m not from Africa I can tell you for factually examining history that the white race thinks it superior from a historical perspective but only dating back 800–900 years. If you think about it all skin colors were slaves at one point or another. For example Jewish people that’s descended from issac and Arabic decedents that descended from ismali were all olive skin with dark hair and dark features. Not to get to my point the reason white towns are booming in South Africa is because they have resources and help from outside nations that the black people of Africa don’t have. The fact that Africa on repeat has outsiders come in and try to colonize it and outsources all the natural resources has had a major affect on the advancement of the continent. If skin color didn’t matter the world would be in a much better place than it is now!
我不是来自非洲，我可以告诉你，从历史的角度来看，白人认为自己很优越，但只能追溯800-900年。如果你想一想，所有肤色的人都曾一度是奴隶。例如，犹太裔的伊萨克人和阿拉伯裔的伊萨利人都是橄榄色皮肤，黑头发和深色特征。不谈我的观点，南非的白人城镇之所以蓬勃发展，是因为他们拥有非洲黑人所没有的资源和来自外部国家的帮助。非洲不断有外来者进来，试图对其进行殖民统治，并将所有的自然资源外包出去，这对非洲大陆的发展产生了重大影响。如果肤色不重要，世界将比现在好得多。
I’ve been to many places where most people are “white” there are areas that are dirty, violent, trash everywhere and there are also clean areas. You claiming your skin tone and European heritage makes you all these good things you claim is ridiculous and dillisional and you know it. If you have such contempt for Africans leave Africa. They don't need to forget something that happened in their lifetime ,the horror they faced in their own land by invaders. I'm surprised they've let you stay after the evil treatment they faced.
我去过很多大多数人都是"白人"的地方，有些地方很脏，很暴力，垃圾遍地，也有干净的地方。你声称你的肤色和欧洲遗产使你拥有所有这些好东西，这很荒谬，也很愚蠢，你自己知道这一点。如果你对非洲人如此蔑视，请离开非洲。他们不需要忘记在他们有生之年发生的事情，他们在自己的土地上面对侵略者的恐怖。我很惊讶他们在遭受了邪恶的对待之后还让你留下来。
oh realy, which places have you been to that look like you describe?
it's no good telling fibs on this forum. you have obviously never been to SA
认真的吗？你去过哪些地方像你描述的那样？
在这个论坛上说假话是没用的，你显然没有去过南非。
I never claimed to have been to SA. I have been to places with majority “whites”, places where there are no others to point the fingers at in parts of Europe, USA and Britain and Ireland. Clearly you haven't travelled much yourself. Your dillisional if you think having pink skin means your automatically law abiding and clean! What Europeans have done to people across Africa and continue to do is heartbreaking and evil. Why don't you go back to Europe instead of turning your nose up at the people you stole from and oppressed?
我从未声称去过南非。我去过"白人"占多数的地方，欧洲、美国、英国和爱尔兰的部分地区，这些没有其他人可以用来指责的地方。很明显，你自己没有走过很多地方。如果你认为拥有粉红色的皮肤就意味着你会自动地遵守法律，并且爱干净，那你就太天真了。欧洲人对整个非洲人民所做的事情，以及仍在做的事情是令人心碎和邪恶的。你为什么不回到欧洲，而要对那些被你偷窃和压迫的人嗤之以鼻？
This answer is a 1950’s justification for jim crow laws. So sad not to even recognize your own misguided world view. For every ‘clean white town’ I can show you community of meth snorting white washouts and thieves. No not every black town is a shit hole and not every white town a paradise.
这个答案（一楼）是 1950 年代的时候对吉姆克劳法的辩护。你甚至不承认自己被误导的世界观，真是可悲。对于每一个"干净的白人城镇"，我都可以向你展示吸食冰毒的白人洗劫者和小偷社区。不是每个黑人城镇都是粪坑，也不是每个白人城镇都是天堂。
（吉姆·克劳法泛指1876年至1965年间美国南部各州以及边境各州对有色人种（主要针对非洲裔美国人，但同时也包含其他族群）实行种族隔离制度的法律。）