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Intelligent-Cry3822
-Chinese university seems very fun lol
-Love the scene with the sophon and wallbreaker
-They made Da Shi such a badass in this

-貌似中国的大学很好玩啊哈哈
-喜欢智子和破壁人的那一幕。
-他们在动画里把大史塑造成了极品狠角色。

My favorite character, especially in book 1. Shame he's not in Death's End.

（回）是我最喜欢的角色，尤其是在第一部中。很遗憾他没有出现在《死神永生》中。

Da Shi lived a full life and passed on between book 2 and book 3. Would've been too sad to see the horror show in book 3 for a good person like him.

（回）大史过完了充实的一生，在第二部和第三部之间去世了。如果让他这样的好人在第三部中见证那场恐怖秀，可就太悲催了。

yyan0040
By the way, looks like somebody already post it to YouTube, but for English you probably still need to wait couple of days I guess

顺便说一下，好像已经有人把它发到油管上了，但英文字幕，我猜可能还得等上几天吧

I’m watching it, it’s start with Guzheng operation

（回）我正在看，它是从古筝行动开始的。

It's a larger skip in events than I had originally expected...

（回）它跳过的事件，比我原先预想的多多了…

does it have english subtitles? It's not available in my region.

（回）有英文字幕吗？在我这个地区是看不到的。
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There's a high quality version on YouTube now with English subs for episode 1

（回）现在油管上有一个高质量的版本，第一集已经配上英文字幕了。

marsyao
So they skip the culture revolution part ?

所以他们跳过了文革那部分？

Judging by how things went in EP1 and 2, they likely skipped the whole book 1 for this show and start right into Dark Forest. There were a few text sentences on black screen to let you know trisolarians are coming and ETO is an organization that wants to help them.
It's unfortunate but that's probably the only way this show wouldn't get immediately cancelled by govmt censorship which has gotten much tighter in recent years. There's no way they can depict Cultural Revolution like the book and it was such a crucial part of book 1, so they chose to skip it all together.

（回）从第一和第二集的情况来看，他们很可能完全跳过了第一部，一上来就直接进入《黑暗森林》的剧情了。他们在黑屏上打出了几行字，好让你知道三体人来了，而地球三体组织（ETO）是一个想帮助它们的组织。
这很不幸，但这可能是这个剧不被审查部门直接取消的唯一办法，因为近年来审查变严格了。他们不可能像原著那样描写文革，而且文革还是第一部的关键部分，所以他们选择了将其全部略过。
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isnt the books stance on the cultural revolution pretty close to the governemnts view on it?

（回）可是书中对文革的立场和官方看法不是很接近吗？
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The thing about Chinese government is, they are like traditional "head of the family" Asian parents, some times they will admit mistakes, but they never like people to bring up such mistakes to their face.
Yes, the Cultural Revolution is officially viewed as a mistake now, it's even written in the textbooks, but the government still don't like it when there's a popular show/book/movie that directly depict what happened in Cultural Revolution.

（回）中国政府的特点就是，他们就像那种传统的“一家之主”式的亚洲父母，有些时候他们会承认错误，但他们从来都不喜欢别人当面提出此类错误。
是的，在现在官方的眼中，文革是错误的，这一点甚至被写进了教科书，但他们仍然不喜欢含有对文革中事件作直接描述的流行电视剧/书籍/电影。
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TheEcstasyofSaintDeb
How do I watch it? Bilibili wont let me start the episode. Some error message I think, but I can’t tell

我要怎么才能看到？我在B站上打不开这一集。好像出现了一些错误信息，但我看不懂。

I VPN-ed to Hong Kong and was able to watch at least the first episode (no English subs)

（回）我用VPN连上了香港区，至少能看第一集了（没有英文字幕）。

DaveFromPrison
Can’t wait for English subs because it looks amazing - first scene gave me goosebumps!

迫不及待地想看英文字幕了，因为这剧看起来很赞呢，第一幕就让我起了一身鸡皮疙瘩！

You're the real MVP! Oh man that first scene was beautifully directed. The horror of that scene was captured wonderful

（回）你才是真正的全场最佳！第一幕背后的导演水平真的非常精湛。很出彩地捕捉到了那场戏的恐怖感。

strayawaychild
Really loving this so far! It looks like Book 1 will be covered mostly in flashbacks, with Book 2 forming most of the plot of the series. Episode 1 opens with the operation in Panama. I really like how they captured Wang's emotions and Da Shi's stoicism. We see the capture and interrogation of Ye Wenjie, with many shots that we saw in the trailers.

到目前为止，我真的很喜欢这部动画。看起来，第一部将主要用倒叙的方式去触及，第二部将构成该剧的大部分情节。第一集以巴拿马的行动开场。我酷爱的点是：他们如此巧妙地捕捉到了汪淼的情绪和大史的坚忍和淡定。我们看到了对叶文洁的抓捕和审讯，有很多镜头是我们在预告片中见过的。

I'd be curious to know if anyone can explain the scene on the space stations? It seems like a network of stations parked around LaGrange points are detecting some sort of anomaly, but I couldn't pick up on who any of the characters were, what they were saying, or what era the scene takes place in.
The scene with Luo Ji in the classroom was really fun! Really excited to see this scene in particular with English subs. There's a lot of clever-sounding banter with his students.
The wallbreaker scene was phenomenal. I really liked the way they depicted the sophon unfolding in lower dimensions. Made me thankful it was animated and not live-action.

有没有人能解释空间站上的那场戏？我特别想知道是怎么回事。貌似停在几个拉格朗日点周围的空间站网络正在探测某种异常情况，但其中的人物我完全对不上号，他们在说什么，或是这个场景发生在哪个纪元也搞不清楚。
罗辑在教室里的那场戏真的很好玩！能看到这场戏我真的很激动，特别是还配上了英语字幕。他和学生之间有很多抖机灵的调侃。
破壁人那场戏太出彩了。我真的很喜欢他们描绘智子在低维上展开的方式。我很庆幸它是动画，而不是真人版。

Episode 1 ends with the car crash and Da Shi taking Luo Ji away.

第一集是以那场车祸和大史带走罗辑告终的。

I believe the space station scene is part of an experiment to outrange the sophons. They were discussing whether sophons could travel at FTL speeds or not.

（回）我相信那个空间站的场景是某个实验的一部分，目的是为了超越智子的作用范围。当时他们正在讨论智子是否能以超光速旅行。

On the space station are Ding Yi and other scientists who want to try to break through sophon's blockade of the experiment. In the book only mentioned all the experiment failed, but since this one is not starts from book 1, so they may need make this part to show how powerful sophon is and death of human science

（回）空间站上有丁仪和其他科学家，他们想尝试突破智子对实验的封锁。书中只提到所有的实验都失败了，但由于这个剧不是从第一部开始的，所以他们可能需要制作这一部分，以此展现智子的强大以及人类科学的死亡。

Those are large hardon colliders in space. The project is led by Ding Yi aiming to break the lock on human science. Basically they built 5 colliders on the LaGrange points and assumed that if there are only 2 sophons in the earth's orbit, they would need to go above speed of light to be able to mess up all the results from these 5 colliders. The result of this experiment is unfortunately a failure, and Ding Yi then reported back to Say that science is dead. Lmk if any part of this is confusing!

（回）这些都是安置在太空中的大型强子对撞机。该项目是由丁仪领导的，旨在打破对人类科学的封锁。基本上，他们是在拉格朗日点上建造了5座对撞机，而他们的假设是：如果地球轨道上只有2个智子，它们就必须超过光速才能将这5座对撞机的实验结果全部搞乱。至于该实验的结果，很不幸，失败了，而丁仪随后向萨伊汇报说，科学死了。如果我说的内容有任何部分你看不懂，请联系我！

Madcaplaught
I just finished book 1 yesterday. Will first episode spoil me book 2 ?

我昨天刚看完第一部。这第一集会剧透第二部的内容吗？

Yes, the first episode spoils the beginning of book 2.

（回）会，第一集剧透了第二部的开头。

Wow the anime is weirdly made than.

（回）这个动画片做得挺怪异啊。

Sigh, I'm with you bro. The animation team could not start with book one because it covers a lot of the 'politically sensitive' yet largely accurate plots(aka the cultural revolution). If they included that part of the story, it'll be impossible for the series to pass the censorship from the government...

（回）叹气，我也同意你的看法。这个动画团队无法从第一部开始制作，因为第一部涵盖了很多“政治敏感”但基本准确的情节（即文革）。如果他们纳入了这部分故事，那这个系列就不可能过审了...

Considering the only non-Chinese adaptation of Three Body is probably going to change the setting, we're probably never getting a full adaptation of that book. Such a shame.

（回）考虑到《三体》唯一的外国改编作品可能会改变背景设定，我们可能永远都看不到对这本书的完整改编了。真是太可惜了。

Yeah the mystery story of the first book as well as events leading up to Operation Guzheng were some of my favorites of the series - very Lovecraftian. And of course the peek into Trisolaran society and the invention of sophons were pretty cool as well.

（回）是的，第一部的神秘故事以及导致古筝行动的系列事件，是这个系列中我最喜欢的内容，非常有洛夫克拉夫特（译注：克苏鲁神话体系之父）的感觉。当然了，对三体社会的窥视以及智子的发明也是非常酷的。

Not necessarily! I saw some (allegedly) solid leaks about the Netflix adaptation (a few pictures of the set/actors/actress), they are probably still going to stick with Ye Wenjie's original story which involves the cultural revolution part of the book, but other than that, only god will know... you know how Netflix is...

（回）不一定！我看到过一些据说是关于网飞改编的可靠内情（几张布景/男演员/女演员的照片），可能他们还是会恪守叶文洁那个原始故事的，其中涉及书中的文革部分，但除此之外，只有天知道...你也知道网飞那德性...

cacue23
On Operation Guzheng so far. Liked it. Although shouldn’t the people on the ship be cut by the strings too? A little too gruesome maybe. And somehow I don’t think the ship should be erupting into fire… but that’s just me.
First episode done. Luo Ji is hilarious. I feel like the shock factor is lost on me but so far so good.

目前只看到古筝行动。很喜欢。虽然船上的人不是也应该被那些细丝切断吗？也许有点毛骨悚然了。而且我觉得这艘船就不应该爆出火焰...但这只是我的看法。
第一集看完了。罗辑挺好笑的。我感觉一惊一乍的劲儿从我身上消失了，但到目前为止还不错。

They do show a guy who lost his arms in the water no?

（回）他们展示了一个掉进水中且失去双臂的人，不是吗？

Yeah but it’s still… nerfed. Imagine human body cut into slices by those strings… not pretty.

（回）是的，但即便如此，也还是被和谐过。想象一下，人体被那些细丝切成片状...有碍观瞻啊。

It's as much as you can expect from a show aired in China I think

（回）我觉得吧，这可是在中国播出的节目，这已经是你能指望的极限了。

Oh and a couple of impressions I retained from last night: during the Operation Guzheng the background music sounds like it was actually played by Guzheng the instrument; every time Da Shi starts smoking there’s a small note on the upper left corner that says “smoking is bad for your health, please don’t imitate the action of the character” lmaooo.

（回）哦，还有就是我从昨晚一直留存到现在的两大印象：在古筝行动中，背景音乐听着像是真的用古筝演奏的；每当大史开始抽烟时，左上角就会出现一个小贴士，上面写着“吸烟有害健康，请不要模仿角色的动作”，嘿嘿。

Episode 2 done. Dang those “accidents” made me think of the Spiderman stopping the train scene but that’s beside the point. Also Luo Ji figuring things out only at the end of episode 2… bro you’re so out of it lmao.

（回）看完第二集了。这些“事故”让我想起了蜘蛛侠拦截火车的场景，跑题了。还有，罗辑直到第二集结尾才搞清楚状况...兄弟，你也太离谱了呵呵。

lkxyz
The music played during the 1st assassination attempt on Luo Ji was so epic. Da Shi's arrival was so cool.

在第一次试图刺杀罗辑的过程中播放的那段音乐也太史诗了吧。大史的到场酷到不像话。

eric_he
Isn’t Luo Ji a bit too cool compared to the books lol
Very nicely done

和原著相比，罗辑是不是有点太酷了呢？呵呵
制作得非常好

He does seem more into teaching than I got from the books. Oh well to each their own

（回）相比于我从书中得来的印象，剧中的他确实更热衷于教书啊。好吧，各有各的道理。

Momoware
Only the first 5 episodes will be accessible for non-VIP on a delayed schedule. The rest will be VIP-only.

非VIP用户在延迟的播出时间表上能观看的只有前5集。其余集数是VIP用户专享的。

sunoukong
I don't know if I was the only one concerned about the quality of the donghua, but so far it is delivering. Everything is much better than expected.
Only concern is, how attractive this will be for people that hasn't read the books. I'm not sure how successful are these text flashbacks in providing context to the newbies.

我不知道我是不是唯一一个担心动画质量的人，但是到目前为止，它还是奏效的。一切都比期望中好得多。
唯一让人担心的是，它对没有读过原著的人来说能有多大吸引力。这些闪回的文字在为新手交代背景方面能有多成功？我是不敢肯定。

IMO this show is throwing too much at the viewers right from the start for it to be interesting to newbies. The things depicted in these episodes should be huge spectacles but they lack gravitas because they haven't been led up to and because IMO these episodes are trying to put too many dramatic moments in, which leads to emotional/adrenaline burnout.

（回）在我看来，这个剧从一开始就把过多的内容抛向了观众，就是为了能让新手产生兴趣。这些剧集所描述的事情应该是那种极为壮阔的奇观，但它们缺乏庄严感，因为它们还没有被渐次引出，而且，因为我觉得这些剧集试图把过多的戏剧性瞬间塞进去，这就导致情感/肾上腺素被消耗殆尽了。
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0mni42
Well, this is... weird. We're really skipping 99% of the first book huh? I was hoping this show would be a way to get my friends into Three Body, but this is actually impressive in how bad of a starting place it is. Without that book of buildup and intrigue, things like the ETO, Trisolaris, the Sophons, etc. just kind of exist without any real context or meaning.

好吧，这个剧...很奇怪。我们是真的跳过了第一部99%的内容？是这样吗？我之前的希望是：这个剧能成为把我的朋友们引入《三体》大坑的一个契机，但它还真是令人印象深刻呢，因为它作为起点居然会这么烂。没有那本书的铺垫和阴谋，像地球三体组织、三体人、智子等事物都停留在某种存在上了，没有交代其真正的背景或意涵，完全没有。

Granted, if you've read the first book, this is pretty darn cool. The presentation is great, the animation is solid, etc. , and the Judgement Day scene was perfectly done. Though I do have to wonder whether the show will ever explain the full context of all that. Will newcomers ever know why they decided to destroy this ship by slicing it up like a cake? (I mean, maybe they explained it at some point; I don't speak Chinese lol.)

假如你读过第一本书，那它可就太酷了。呈现的方式很出色，动画制作也很过硬，等等。审判日的场景也设计得很完美。尽管我不得不怀疑这个剧是否会解释这一切的所有背景，可能始终都不会。新人是否能弄明白他们为什么决定像切蛋糕一样摧毁这艘船？（我的意思是，也许他们在某个时点上给出过解释；我不会说中文，笑）

Also, introducing Luo Ji as a charismatic professor instead of a scumbag who can't remember his hookup's name is certainly... a choice. I mean I get it, he's the protagonist, we should feel some attachment to him, but I thought his transformation from trashy guy to stone-cold legend was a great character arc.

另外，在作引介的时候，罗辑是以一个颇有魅力的教授形象示人的，而不是一个连自己艳遇对象的名字都不记得的人渣，这当然也是...一种选择。我的意思是，我理解，他是主角，应该让作为观众的我们对他心生几分倾慕，但我认为，他从渣男到冷血传奇的转变会是非常出彩的人物弧光（译注：即人物随着经历累积，而发生的变化和成长）。

He's pretty scummy in these 2 episodes. He's teaching his students to forget the future and enjoy the now. Teaching full on hedonism at your college class and also faking bank loans and being a womanizer. It's basically Luo Ji at the start of book 2.
Again, I can read Chinese fine so these are lost to you right now. Just wait for fansubs to come out before passing judgment.

（回）在这两集里，他是相当下流的。他在教他的学生们忘记未来，享受当下。在你的大学课堂上教授彻头彻尾的享乐主义，伪造银行贷款，还是个玩弄女人的色胚。这基本上是第二部开篇时的那个罗辑。
再说一次，我的中文水平没有任何问题，所以现在和你们说这些你们可能会一头雾水。等字幕组做出字幕再做评判吧。

Ah, okay. I guess the vibe I was getting from that scene was more "this guy is a cool professor who would be fun to have," but you're right, it's not fair of me to criticize the show when I don't understand the dialogue lol.

（回）额，好吧。我想我从那个场景中得到的感觉，更多是“这家伙是个很酷的教授，摊上这么个教授会很好玩的”，但你是对的，如果我看不懂对话，批评这个剧便是不公平的呵呵。

Here's a funny thing while watching the show, whenever a character is smoking a cigarette, there's a text popup on the corner warning "Smoking is bad for your health. Do not copycat"

（回）在看剧的时候有件好玩的事情，每当有角色在抽烟的时候，角落里就会弹出一行文字，警告说“吸烟有害健康。请勿模仿！”

Bowserinator
That episode two subway part was kinda dark :/
Also Dashi has god like driving skills

第二集里地铁那部分的场景有点暗啊。
还有，大史拥有神一般的驾驶技术。

Ahmed-Ghazwan_Music
There are things I definitely liked about it. I really like the animation and the overall atmosphere. But like others have mentioned, it's moving way too fast and it's not leaving any room to live in this world and grasp the events.
And I'm pretty sure this is just for people who've read the books, cause otherwise I really can't see how this is inviting to the uninitiated.
And so far I'm not sure about the changes to Luo Ji's sequence of events, particularly the action scenes, which did look nice, but it feels out of place in this series. With this series I never felt like the action or the characters are supposed to be cool like an American action movie.
But I'm still very intrigued on where things are going

这个剧有几点绝对是我喜欢的。我非常喜欢它的动画制作和整体氛围。但就像其他人提到的那样，它推进过快，没有留下让观众驻留在这个世界中并把握这些事件的任何空间。
我很确定这个剧就是为读过原著的人准备的，因为不然的话，我是真的看不出它要怎样才能吸引到对该系列全无了解的观众。
而且到目前为止，我不确定他们对罗辑的一系列事件顺序作了怎样的改变，动作场面确实特别好看，但放在这个系列里有格格不入的感觉。对于这个系列，我从来都不觉得动作或人物应该像美国动作片那样酷。
但后续的发展还是很让我着迷。

I was also a little surprised how they squeezed it all together in the first 2 episodes. But what can they do with 15 episodes only? I found the added action sequences a little bit too much as well and everything works out too conveniently (Da Shi's "SKILLZ"). Is this what people expect to see nowadays? I don't know.

（回）我也有点惊讶，他们把所有东西一股脑挤进了前两集里，这怎么做到的？但只有15集啊，他们能玩出什么花样呢？我发现新增的动作场面也有点太多了，而且所有事情的解决也过于取巧了（大史“太有能耐了”）。这就是现如今的人期望看到的东西吗？我是搞不懂。
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But I must say that the 3 Body Manga turned out a little too tedious, since they didn't really leave anything out and pretty much included the entire dialogue from the book. Correct me if I'm wrong - there might be small changes. But the Manga IS loooong and Chinese readers even complained about it in the comments with the creators replying, that every word in the original work is so important and that's why they opted to leave everything in.

但我必须得说，搞半天《三体》漫画有点乏味啊，因为他们什么都没有遗漏，而且差不多纳入了书中的所有对话。如果我说错了请纠正我。可能有一些小改动。但这部漫画巨长无比，中国读者甚至在评论中抱怨，而创作者回复说，原作中的每一个字都至关重要，这就是他们选择保留所有内容的原因。

Darkun08
why is luo ji living in a cyberpunk city? I thought that this part happened like in 2015

为什么罗辑会住在一个赛博朋克城市里？我还以为这部分情节是发生在2015年呢