你认为薪酬最高的职业是什么?
What do you think are the most over paid professions?
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I was having a discussion with my GF and we got on to the topic of over paid professions and what overpaid professions we think are out there. Naturally we talked about sports people, CEOs etc.
And there are a ton of under paid ones paid ones like NHS staff.
What do you think are the most over paid professions and why?
我和我的女朋友讨论了一个话题，我们谈到了高薪的职业，以及我们认为有哪些薪酬过高的职业。当然，我们谈到了体育人士、首席执行官等。
还有很多工资不高的人，比如NHS的员工。
你认为薪酬最高的职业是什么?为什么?
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Loads of my uni friends are now in consultancy grad schemes. They get paid absolutely tonnes and they can't even explain to me what their job is. They seem to just make PowerPoints and take meeting minutes
我大学里的很多朋友现在都在毕业生规划咨询。他们的薪水高得惊人，他们甚至不能让我明白他们的工作是什么。他们似乎只是做幻灯片和做会议记录。
Same here and I actually don’t understand it. So many of my friends from uni now work in shady Recruitment Agencies and have somehow worked up to have quite lucrative positions. I don’t get it - they don’t do anything except post on lixedIn all day yet make a lot more than me!
我也是，我不太明白。我大学里的许多朋友现在都在不光彩的招聘机构工作，不知怎么地，他们都得到了相当赚钱的职位。我不明白——他们除了整天在领英上发帖子什么都不做，却比我赚得多!
It's basically sales - sales can pay a disproportionate amount.
这其实上是销售——销售可以回报非常大的金额
Can confirm. My sister works in life insurance and she gets upwards of £80k a year working 4 days a week. They work on commission so if she 'banks' £60k a month (this being essentially the premiums for the policies), she gets about 9% of that + £20k basic salary, or so she tells me.She has only a few GCSEs but tells me the managers there are all on £400k+ a year.She works in sales mind and isn't a particularly honest individual so I'm not too sure. She does however also get to go on conventions (cruises etc) and £3k bonuses throughout the year (again, so she claims). Meanwhile I earn about £30k a year working 5 days a week. I just couldn't stomach sales though, it seems a toxic environment from the stuff she tells me about with her colleagues, particularly the males.
确实。我姐姐在人寿保险公司工作，她每年能拿到8万多英镑，每周工作4天。他们的工作是提成的，所以如果她每月拉来6万英镑(这基本上是保单的保费)，她就能得到2万英镑基本工资的9%左右，至少她是这么告诉我的。她只有几门普通中等教育证书，但她告诉我，那里的经理们年薪都在40万英镑以上。她在销售部门工作，不是一个特别老实的人，所以我不太确定。然而，她也可以享受惯例的福利(旅行等)和全年3000英镑的奖金(再次，她是这么说的)。与此同时，我每年能挣3万英镑，每周工作5天。不过，我就是受不了销售，从她跟我谈论的同事，尤其是男同事的情况来看，这似乎是一个糟糕的环境。
sales mind and isn't a particularly honest individual
That is basically the key. My sister made a fortune in sales and is as crafty as hell. She is also power crazed so I dread to think what she got up to once she reached management level. Corporate ladder climbing relies upon having certain dubious qualities.
My dad worked in a corporation but he never really fitted in and although he did very well he did it without being unethical. He eventually locked horns with management over the fact that they were mis-selling billions of pounds worth of endowment packages to customers who had been with the company for decades. He could have made megabucks if he had joined in but he didn’t because it was borderline fraud and it did cause a scandal once the story broke, by which time he had taken early retirement because he couldn’t stand their immoral behaviour any more.
擅长销售，不是一个特别老实的人
这是关键。我姐姐靠销售发了财，非常狡猾。她对权力也很痴迷，所以我不敢想象她一旦升到管理层会干些什么。公司的升迁环节依赖于某些可疑的品质。
我父亲在一家公司工作，但他从来没有真正适应，虽然他做得很好，但他没有不道德。他最终与管理层发生了争执，原因是他们向服务了公司几十年的客户不当销售了价值数十亿英镑的养老保险。如果他加入了，他本可以赚到数百万美元，但他没有，因为这是一种近乎欺诈的行为，而且一旦故事曝光，它会引发丑闻，到那时他已经提前退休了，因为他再也无法忍受他们的不道德行为。
Moonbeamer85
Absolutely! You sell your soul in sales.
绝对的!你在销售中出卖你的灵魂。
I used to work sales. It was fucking horrible. The beginning of an interaction with someone is fun, because you're just rapport-building and making a friend, but then you have to use that against them and manipulate them into purchasing things they shouldn't.
I sold paintball tickets for a place that didn't actually charge for tickets. We were basically charging a booking fee that we would just pocket. Left after a month when I realised how awful it was.
我以前是做销售的。太他妈可怕了。与某人互动的开始是令人愉快的，因为你只是建立融洽的关系，交了一个朋友，但随后你不得不利用这一点来对付他们，操纵他们购买他们不该买的东西。
我在一个不收门票的地方卖彩弹游球的票。我们实际上是在收取预订费，我们可以把它放进自己的口袋。一个月后，当我意识到这有多糟糕时，我就离开了。
there are some awful sales roles but also some really good ones where you don’t have to sell your soul or be manipulative. in my experience (15 years in sales), the more experienced you are & the higher value solution you’re selling, the more professional it is.
i’m in software sales & haven’t seen a toxic environment for years. my basic salary is pretty high (compared to the national average) & there’s a very good chance of earning an amount that most people would think makes someone ridiculously well-off, just by hitting my (very realistic) targets. at the lower levels (with basic salaries up to say £40k), there is far more pressure & shady tactics but it all melts away above that
有一些糟糕的推销者，但也有一些非常好的推销者，他们不需要出卖灵魂或善于摆弄他人。以我的经验(15年的销售经验)，你的经验越丰富，你销售的解决方案价值越高，就越专业。
我是做软件销售的，已经很多年没见过这样糟糕的环境了。我的基本工资相当高(与全国平均水平相比)，而且只要达到我的(非常现实的)目标，我很有可能赚到大多数人认为让人富的离谱的钱。在较低的职位上(基本工资高达4万英镑)，压力和暗箱操作要大得多，但在这之上，一切都减少了。
Consultants - everyone just accepts they’re expensive but no one quite knows what they do. Project/product managers (not construction but things like website improvements/online system testing - stepdaughter works an hour a day delegating a few tasks but warns over £70k plus bonus. So little work she goes on holiday or visits us (few hours away) without telling anyone and just checking her emails every 2 hours.
Edit. Just adding.
This is at age 24-28, so not a very experienced person, just a few years. This has been the same at her current and precious work - two of the big 4 or 5 consulting firms most people will know. She’s about to move to an in house product manager role (website stuff again but consumer focused) at a large us company (not a consultant company). Will see if she actually has to earn the money.
顾问——每个人都承认他们很贵，但没人完全清楚他们在做什么。项目/产品经理(不是建设，而是网站改进/在线系统测试——继女每天工作一个小时，委派一些任务，但奖金超过7万英镑。工作很少，她去度假或拜访我们(几小时车程)，不需要告诉任何人，只是每两个小时查看一次邮件。
编辑。只是添加。
这是在她24-28岁，所以不是一个很有经验的人，只有几年。在她目前这份宝贵的工作中——大多数人都知道的四大或五大咨询公司中的两家。她即将调任一家美国大公司(不是咨询公司)的内部产品经理岗(还是网站方面的，但重点是客户)。看看她是不是真的自己挣得这份钱。
Recruitment
招聘
CEO pay. I know it’s a bit typical, but their average salary and bonus of late have gone nuts.
CEO的薪酬。我知道这有点典型，但他们平均工资和最近的奖金已经快疯了。
This feels like a trick question.
So, on the one hand, I'm a software engineer earning 95k. I might concede that I'm a little overpaid, but I also come across huge swaths of people who have done an online coding bootcamp but can't code the simplest of applications in a quality manner.
In the same way, I'm pretty good at rugby, but I'm not Saracens or England level rugby. A very tiny number of people are, and so they command the salaries they do. I also don't provide entertainment for tens of millions of people.
If I had to answer I'd probably say the advisors at St James Palace investment firm, but not because they're incompetent - because I think their fees are unfair and they know they're swindling people.
这听起来像是一个陷阱问题。
所以，一方面，我是一个挣95k的软件工程师。我可能会承认我的报酬有点过高，但我也遇到过大量参加过在线编码训练营的人，但他们不能以高效的方式编写最简单的应用程序。
同样地，我也很擅长橄榄球，但我的橄榄球水平不是撒拉逊人或英格兰那样。只有极少数人是这样的，所以他们享受着他们应得的工资。我也并不为数千万人提供娱乐。
如果要我回答，我可能会说是圣詹姆斯宫投资公司的顾问，但不是因为他们不称职——因为我认为他们的收费是不公平的，而且他们知道他们在欺骗人们。
Council chief where I live is on £200k so definitely over paid.Some NHS staff are extremely overpaid, and some are underpaid.
我住的地方的议会主席的工资是20万英镑，所以绝对过高了。一些国民医疗服务体系的工作人员薪酬过高，还有一些工作人员薪酬过低。
Estate Agents. The model of it being a % of house prices is ridiculous. If we swapped pay of conveyancers and estate agents, you’d get less overworked idiot conveyancers and value for money estate agents.
房地产经纪人。房价的%模型是荒谬的。如果我们交换了办理不动产等让与事务者和房地产经纪人的工资，你就会得到更少的过度劳累的白痴办理不动产等让与事务者和物有所值的房地产经纪人。
Probably none are overpaid, big salary professions come from earning big money for their company. However there are professions that are criminally underpaid. Nurses being the obvious one
也许没有人是高薪的，高薪的职业来自为他们的公司赚大钱。然而，有些职业的工资过低是违法的。护士是明显的一个。
Landlords. They do literally nothing,just own land.
地主。他们什么都不做，只是拥有土地。
I never understand the argument about footballers being overpaid.
The club sells £20 Million of shirts and IP related products and the footballer is supposed to take less so the owner keeps more? (and I don't even like football!)
我从不理解关于足球运动员薪水过高的争论。
俱乐部出售了2000万英镑的球衣和IP相关产品，而球员应该拿得更少，所以老板保留更多?
(我甚至不喜欢足球!)
Politicians with second jobs. I can’t see how they can be giving their full attention to their constituency/earning their full £85k salary if they’re also consultants for banks and other big businesses
有第二份工作的政客们。如果他们还是银行和其他大企业的顾问，我不知道他们怎么能把全部注意力放在他们的选民身上还能挣到8.5万英镑的薪水…
I always am amazed when people on Reddit say footballers as it’s arguably one of the greatest examples of workers getting fair compensation for their money.
Like don’t get me wrong I think the amounts they earn are truly crazy, but that money comes from football being the world’s most popular sport and it’s far better the players get as much as possible vs owners.
当人们在Reddit上说足球运动员时，我总是很惊讶，因为这可以说是工人获得公平报酬的最伟大的例子之一。
别误会我的意思，我认为他们赚的钱真的很疯狂，但是这些钱来自于足球这一世界上最受欢迎的运动，所以球员得到的钱比老板得到的要多得多。
Once you understand that pay isn't strongly correlated with effort, skill, knowledge or social utility etc. then everything/nothing is overpaid.
一旦你明白了报酬与努力、技能、知识或社会福利等并不紧密相关，那么一切或者没有什么都是高薪的。