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A few information about this car, known in China as the Ora "Good Cat": price in China ranges from 103.900 RNB (14.000€) to 143.900 RNB (19.500€). There are 2 battery pack produced: 48 KWh (LFP), the one shown in the video, with around 300KM WLTP range, and a 59 KWh (NMC), which I assume it would have a WLTP range of around 400 KM. There's also a sportier version, the GT, with added power (127 KW instead of the 107 KW of the base model) - that version uses a special third battery pack, of 63 KWh (NMC). My opinion: the car is great, but why ruinining its chance in Europe with such a price? Come on Great Wall, give us the affordable car that European Carmakers don't want to!

关于这辆车的一些信息，在中国被称为Ora“好猫”:在中国的价格从103.900元人民币(14.000欧元)到143.900元人民币(19.500欧元)。有2个电池组:一个48千瓦时，在视频中显示，大约300公里的行驶里程，另一个59千瓦时，我认为它将有大约400公里的行驶里程。还有一款运动版GT，功率增加了(127千瓦，而不是基本型的107千瓦)，该版本使用了特殊的第三个电池组，63千瓦时。我的观点是:这款车很棒，但为什么要以这样的价格毁掉它在欧洲市场的机会呢?来吧，长城，给我们欧洲汽车制造商给不出来的平价车!

Guess it's cuz of tariffs... At least Macron made it clear to protect domestic manufacturers.

可能是因为关税吧... ... 至少马克龙明确表示要保护国内制造商。

Yes by me that is a 60k pound vehicle, because of duties and taxes to protect the (non existing) local EV manufacturers. Funny thing is that government does not pay those taxes when they buy vehicles.

是的，我们这里这个车卖6万英镑，因为关税和税收要用以保护(不存在的)本地电动汽车制造商。有趣的是，政府在购买汽车时并不缴纳这些税款。

Those Chinese prices include a government stipend which does not affect the EU price. Aaand you have import duties of course.

中国的价格包括政府补贴，这不会影响到欧盟价格。当然，你们还要付进口税。

Paying 36k for a 14k car, no thanks, I will pass.

花3.6万买一辆14k的车，不用了，谢谢，我不买了。

To be fair, even imported cars are cheap in China. I just bought a top spec Golf and paid 130,000 rmb. Good luck finding it for that price in Europe!

公平地说，即使是进口汽车在中国也很便宜。我刚刚花了13万人民币买了一个顶级高尔夫。祝你在欧洲以这样的价格买到它!

@Karl k tariff on importing car in EU is 10%, don't know about the UK but I'm guessing it isn't that far.

欧盟进口汽车的关税是10%，不知道英国的情况，但我猜不会太远。

@Barnaby Thorngate VW has domestic production in China, that's why you are able to buy it at that price.

大众有在中国国内生产，这就是为什么你能以那个价格买到它。

if they do that there will be dumping charges. same reason toyota doen't cut prices by 30% depite yen depreciation.

如果他们这样做，就会受到倾销指控。同样的原因，尽管日元贬值，丰田没有降价30%。

Yes, it's called "Good Cat" in Thailand as well, costs approaching GBP25k. Just another expensive electric car.

是的，它在泰国也被称为“好猫”，价格接近2.5万英镑。不过是又一辆昂贵的电动汽车。

Dude. Get your data correct. Ora Cat prices have been adjusted upwards significantly in China already. It now starts at 130k RMB. And the entry level trim in China is not well equipped as the UK entry level trim. Plus, the listed pieces in China are after government subsidies. VAT of EV is waived in China too. There are import duty and VAT in the UK. You are comparing orange to apple.

伙计。获取正确的数据。在中国，好猫的价格已经大幅上调。现在起价为13万人民币。中国的入门级配置不像英国的入门级配置那么好。另外，在中国上市的产品都是政府补贴。中国也免除了电动汽车的增值税。在英国有进口税和增值税。你在拿橘子和苹果比较。

So 45 000 euro in my country ..we have few Chines EV in my country and they all waaay more expensive then in China

在我的国家卖45000欧元。我们国家很少有中国产的电动汽车，而且都比中国的贵得多
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The chinese market is heavily subsidized, it's not a fair playing field at all.

中国市场得到了大量补贴，这根本不是一个公平的竞争环境。
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I believe the only way to bring the price down is competition in the local market, otherwise, nobody is willing to sell for less if the demand is still there. If you knew how much the Tesla Model 3 is in China market, the price of Ora in Europe won't surprise you. BTW, Tesla has reduced its price one more time last month. The Model 3 is starting from about 36,000 Euros now in China.

我认为把价格降下来的唯一办法是在本地市场上进行竞争，否则，只要还有需求，没有厂商愿意以更低的价格出售。如果你知道特斯拉Model 3在中国市场的价格，那么Ora在欧洲的价格就不会让你感到惊讶了。顺便说一下，特斯拉上个月又一次降价了。目前，Model 3在中国的起价约为3.6万欧元。

Fantastic to see you take one of these for a spin Robert. I am so envious, as I have been waiting for at least eighteen months for an announcement as to when they may finally arrive into the EV backwater called Australia! For heavens sake, make it happen GWM!!
And to make things more frustrating, you can pre-order these in New Zealand right now.
These cars will sell like hotcakes! Make it happen!

很高兴看到你开着它兜风，罗伯特。我很羡慕，因为我已经等了至少18个月的公告，他们什么时候能够最终抵达被称为澳大利亚的电动车死水!看在上帝的份上，快让它来吧!!
更让人沮丧的是，而你现在就可以在新西兰预订这辆车。
这些车会很畅销的!让它大卖!
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Hopefully Australia can stop being treated as the last dumping ground for ICE cars. Our laws and regulations have been heaven for old crappy cars to be dumped into.

希望澳大利亚能不再被视为ICE汽车的倾倒场。我们的法律和法规一直是扔破车的天堂。

@James Bryant Exactly. The sooner we get emissions standards in Australia the better. We've been the dumping ground for over 15 years for cars they weren't allowed to sell elsewhere. Hmmm. Maybe I should do a video on this?
I'm so sick of seeing/smelling black smoke clouds from shitty cars/trucks here...

完全正确。澳大利亚越早制定市场标准越好。15年来，我们一直是那些不允许在其他地方销售的汽车的垃圾场。嗯。也许我应该做一个关于这个的视频?
我讨厌看到/闻到这里的垃圾汽车/卡车冒出的黑烟…

The looks and size were always good. Same with the Sion. The big issues are the delays and pricehikes.. Sure we can wait but cars in this size should not be over €30.000 ... Tons of people want something in this size and they even might deal with a lack of charging options because the live in apartments but the price REALLY needs to come down...

外观和尺寸都很好。Sion也是。最大的问题是延误和价格上涨。当然我们可以等，但这种尺寸的车不应该超过3万欧元…很多人都想要这种尺寸的车子，他们甚至可能会面临充电设施选择不足的问题，因为他们住在公寓里，价格真的需要降下来……

It's really a bummer than a bigger cars like the MG4 starts at oy €29K (≈£34k). But to be faire, the Ora looks way more premium than the MG.

相比起售价为29K欧元(约合3.4万英镑)的MG4这样的大型车，它确实是一个糟糕的选择。但坦率地说，Ora看起来比MG要高级得多。

Another commenter has posted that the price in china is 14k euros so there is plenty of scope for the price to come down, hopefully that happens. Personally I want a low spec cheap EV, after airbags and aircon pretty much all the spec upgrades of the last 2 decades leave me thinking "meh"

另一位网友发帖称，这款车子在中国的价格是1.4万欧元，所以还有很大的降价空间，希望能降价。就我个人而言，我想要一辆低规格的廉价电动汽车，在过去20年的安全气囊和空调几乎所有规格升级之后，我觉得“乏味”。

Ev's are just smaller. A golf sized car offers the space of a passat.
A polo sized car offers the space and usability of a golf.
The cabin room and comfort in this car is on par with a car a size up. So it will sell for similar prices as cars a size up

Ev更小。高尔夫大小的汽车提供了帕萨特汽车的空间。
polo大小的汽车提供了高尔夫的空间和可用性。
这辆车的空间和舒适度与大一号的车不相上下。所以它的售价将和大一号的汽车差不多

not even. I watch wheelsboy who reviews Chinese cars in china, and you can even get a normal saloon shakes car for 10K. Heck, Dacia is European and even they have cars for £16K

我看过住在中国评论中国汽车的wheelsboy，你甚至可以花1万美元买到一辆普通的轿车。见鬼，Dacia是欧洲车，但是他们甚至有价格1.6万的车

Love this car Robert,and your enthusiasm really sells it. Great wall should give you a dealership

罗伯特，我很喜欢这辆车，你的热情真的很吸引人。长城应该给你一个代理权

This is the first small car I'd like to be seen in. Incredibly nice interior, too. I just wish for a better charging speed.

这是我第一辆希望看到的小车。内饰也非常漂亮。我希望充电速度能更快一点。

Beautiful little car, this is what the world needs now, not the big luxury boats that keep being shoved at us…
Never have been a fan of four door cars as I’ve not needed all of the seating, however this one works well. Would be fun to see a two door model somewhat akin to the MINI Coupe…
Having driven MINI’s for almost 13 years it appears very familiar. I really like it, problem is how long before they’re here in the states?

漂亮的小车，这才是这个世界现在需要的，而不是不断向我们涌来的豪华大船……
我从来都不喜欢四门车，因为我不需要4个座位，然而这样的小车很不错。如果能看到类似于MINI Coupe的双门车型，将会很有趣…
开了近13年的MINI，看起来非常熟悉。我真的很喜欢，问题是他们还要多久才能到美国?

Nice review. Not a fan of the small mini-style cars myself but I must say the features and (internal) styling of this one made a pleasant change from the deathly boredom of the big western 'grey' manufacturers at the moment.

不错的评论。我本人不喜欢小型迷你车，但我必须说，这一款车的特点和内饰风格与目前西方大型“灰色”制造商的死气沉沉的无聊截然不同。

This car sounds like it would be perfect for someone like me who uses their vehicle for work on a daily basis. Unfortunately the upfront price is the biggest barrier to someone like myself who is on low wages seeing as this car comes to nearly three years worth of my income. Now we are getting the actual cars we need on the market, we need to get some help with the inital purchase costs. Whether that comes in some form of low cost/easy entry loan or some other scheme, without some help people like me are stuck driving older (my current car is 20 years old as an example) petrol or diesel cars because that is all they can afford. Yes, I know that you get the money back from the much lower running costs, but when the disparity between the purchase costs and your income is that high you are left with no chance to jump on the bandwagon even when you know full well it is the right thing.

这辆车听起来很适合像我这样每天使用车辆上班的人。不幸的是，对于像我这样的低工资人士来说，预付款是最大的障碍，因为这辆车的收入相当于我近三年的收入。现在我们在市场上能买到我们真正需要的汽车，我们需要在最初的购买成本上得到一些帮助。无论是以某种形式的低成本/低门槛贷款还是其他计划，如果没有一些帮助，像我这样的人都只能驾驶更老的汽油或柴油车（以我现在的车20年为例），因为这就是他们所能负担的。是的，我知道我可以从低得多的维护成本中获得回报，但当购买成本和收入之间的差距如此之大时，即使你完全知道这是正确的，你也没有机会购买这辆车。

I saw one of these in my rear view mirror in Thailand and thought it was some weird Porsche model! It took a bit of chasing through traffic to catch the brand name, and over there the model is called Good Cat.

我在泰国从后视镜里看到了一辆这样的车，我以为它是某种奇怪的保时捷车型!我花了一些功夫在车流中看到了品牌名称，名字叫做好猫。

The stylist was previously at Porsche

这个车的设计师之前在保时捷工作过

Yeah, he also designed the Lightning Cat and Punk Cat. He left GWM a year ago and is now lead designer elsewhere.

是啊，他还设计了the Lightning Cat和Punk Cat。他一年前离开了GWM，现在在其他地方担任首席设计师。

It is the Good Cat and it has been renamed for the European market and it's made by GWM, Great Wall Motors not BYD

它叫好猫，它已经为欧洲市场重新命名了，它是由长城汽车制造的，而不是比亚迪

Unlike other Chinese brands that are striking refreshing and cutting edge designs one after another, GWM seems to be addicted to taking design clues from classic models, albeit the car themselves are solidly made.

与其他中国品牌一个接一个地推出新颖、前卫的设计不同，长城汽车似乎沉迷于从经典车型中汲取设计灵感，尽管汽车本身制造精良。

We've had them on the roads of Thailand for over 12 months - for half the UK price!

我们已经在泰国的道路上开了好猫12个月——价格是英国的一半!

Different country, different name. Here in Thailand we have a choice of 3 models of Good Cat, starting at £17K for the equivalent of the UK's Funky.

不同的国家，不同的名字。在泰国，我们有3种型号的好猫可供选择，起价17K英镑，相当于英国的Funky。

I've seen it in the metal at the Fully Charged Show and to my taste it seems rather ordinary in a retro sort of a way. It is also too expensive for what you get, especially considering it is manufactured in China.

我在《完全充电》（Fully Charged Show）上看到过它的金属材质，按照我的口味，它看起来很普通，有点复古。它也太贵了，尤其是考虑到它是在中国制造的。

I've loved this since I first saw it. From the front it kinda reminds me of a Beetle, though I can't say why. I think the most important thing with this is styling, look at what most companies are putting out, it all looks the same, high tech and sporty. Range for the price is a bit iffy, and depending on what the price would be in America, this could be a hard sell unfortunately.

自从我第一次看到它，我就喜欢上了这辆车。从正面看，它让我想起了甲壳虫，尽管我不知道为什么。我认为最重要的是车型，看看大多数公司都在做什么，看起来都一个样，全是科技感和运动感。价格范围有点不确定，而且按照在美国市场的价格，可以会比较难卖出去。
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It is a nice package, but... Lets be honest, it should be cheaper than MG4 to make sense, ~26k.

外观很不错，但……老实说，它要比MG4便宜才有意义，~26k。

Looks like it's for people who can afford the Tesla Model 3 but looking for alternatives.

看起来这是为那些买得起特斯拉Model 3但又在寻找替代品的人准备的。
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Sales will decide whether you are right, as people tend only to buy the cars they like. This does look a nicer, better designed and slightly less austere package than the MG4, admittedly at a higher price...... People have bought the Honda E, and that costs the best part of £30k, despite being even smaller. Not all buyers will employ the same sextion criteria you do......

销售决定一切，因为人们只会买他们喜欢的车。这辆车确实看起来更好，更好的设计，不像MG4那么朴素，但价格更高... ..人们也会去购买本田E，尽管它甚至更小，但它的价格最高也要3万英镑。并非所有买家都会采用与您相同的判断标准。。。。。。

@Brian yes, people are weird (I am pragmatism purist so I don't understand people), but Honda is a well established, respectable brand at least, yet ORA Funky Cat! is a Chinese start-up more or less, anyway I have to agree with you that it will find its customers.

是的，每人都有不同的看法(我是一个纯粹的实用主义者，所以我不理解这些人)，但本田至少是一个知名的、受人尊敬的品牌，而ORA Funky Cat是一家中国初创企业，但我同意你的看法，这辆车会找到自己的目标客户。

I love this car. Its got buckets of charm.
Not many EVs have managed that yet!

我喜欢这辆车。它很有魅力。
没有多少电动汽车能做到这种程度
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It's a great, fun, playful design. They really nailed it, interior looks amazing

这是一个伟大、有趣、好玩的设计。他们真的做到了，内部看起来非常棒

My daughter currently owns a Fiat 500 ICE and has test driven the Fiat EV. She saw the Ora Cat in your earlier review. Waited to see this car come to the UK but the price is way too high. She is now looking at the MG4 as it is far better value for money. We need to see EV entries in the low to mid £20k range to enable thousands more to make the necessary switch to electric.

我女儿目前拥有一辆菲亚特500 ICE，并试驾过菲亚特EV。她在你之前的视频里看到了奥拉猫。等着看这辆车来英国，但价格太高了。她现在看中了MG4，因为它物有所值。我们需要价格在2万英镑左右的电动汽车

Great information on this car. Too expensive for what one gets. MG and BYD are better value for the investment. However, great car for country lane's and small village/town living.

这辆车很好。对大多数人来说太贵了，MG和比亚迪更值得购买。然而，对于乡村小路和小村庄/城镇的生活来说，这是很棒的汽车。

That's what I thought. If it was £25k or so then it would really be exciting, but at £32k it's at a price where European manufacturers are at more or less.

我也是这么想的。如果是2.5万英镑左右，那就真的很令人兴奋了，但3.2万英镑的价格与欧洲制造商的价格差不多。

I agree. The same car in China ranges from 103.900 RNB (14.000€) to 143.900 RNB (19.500€). Why they give to us in Europe a "European price"? If they sold it in Europe at price not too different from China, it will completely annihilate all competition.

我同意。同一辆车在中国的价格从103.900人民币(14.000欧元)到143.900人民币(19.500欧元)不等。为什么他们在欧洲给我们一个“欧洲价格”?如果他们在欧洲以与中国相差不大的价格出售，那将完全消灭所有竞争。

that is cuz Chinese and European car cultures have completely different expectations when it come to buying a car. In Europe a car is expected to last, while in China it it's( a chinese domestic car will be in way worse shape after just few years, than a European market one, after a decade). So while you probably could get one of those for 15k € + 5k € for shipping or what ever, would you really want one? like for real... would you really want a car that has parts falling off with in a year(FYI that is not even a joke)?
if your expectations for a car are at the level of that of a 5k € car you're better of buying said 5k € car than putting 20k € into a Chinese domestic model.

这是因为中国和欧洲的消费者对买车有着完全不同的期望。在欧洲，人们期望一辆车能使用很长时间，而在中国，人们的期望不同(中国国产汽车在短短几年后的状况会比欧洲市场的汽车在十年后的状况差得多)。所以，虽然你可能会花1.5万欧元+ 5000欧元的运费或其他费用买到一辆中国车，但你真的想要吗?真的……你真的想要一辆一年内零件就脱落的车吗(供你参考，这甚至不是开玩笑)?
如果你对一辆车的期望是5000欧，你最好还是买一辆5000欧元的车，而不是花2万欧元买一辆中国车。

@Markus Savolainen I think you need to actually look at some Chinese made cars before trotting out the usual old Chinese cars are crap nonsense.

我觉得你应该看看一些中国制造的汽车然后再大谈特谈说那些老式的中国车都是垃圾。

@Nigel Hynes think he means "Car made for Chinese" as apposed to "Chinese made Car"

我认为他的意思是“为中国人制造的汽车”，而不是“中国制造的车”