中国足球怎么了?（二）
What''s happening with football in China?
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Shaun Seow：中国应该效仿那些成功的亚洲足球国家，比如韩国、日本和澳大利亚。
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What's happening with football in China?
中国足球怎么了?
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Should just emulate the setup and structure of successful Asian footballing nations like South Korea, Japan and Australia.
中国应该效仿那些成功的亚洲足球国家，比如韩国、日本和澳大利亚。
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Well, Chinese soccer always bring joy to Chinese people, because its comedy value.
嗯，中国足球总是给中国人带来欢乐，因为它的喜剧价值。
Football is called "the beautiful game" for a reason, there needs to be a love for it, a passion, a national identity behind it, it can't be forced.
This is why it failed in China and also why it still hasn't really picked up in the United States.
足球被称为“美丽的运动”是有原因的，需要有对它的热爱，激情，背后的国家认同，这是不能强迫的。
这就是它在中国失败的原因，也是它在美国仍然没有真正流行起来的原因。
This just shows the issues with such centralised planning, its just too difficult and results in haphazard decision making and creates uncertainty for investors and all stakeholders involved.
这恰恰表明了这种集中规划的问题，它太困难了，导致了随意的决策，给投资者和所有利益相关者带来了不确定性。
I’m from Hong Kong and I know players that play or played in Hong Kong professional football. (Yes HK has her own football leagues) And I’m currently working as a side job for a semi pro HK football club in the third tier. Some HK players would eventually play in the Chinese leagues because despite the problems within Chinese football, the footballing level is still more sophisticated than HK.
我来自香港，我认识在香港职业足球场上踢球的球员。(是的，香港有自己的足球联赛)我目前在一家三级半职业香港足球俱乐部做兼职。一些香港球员最终会在中国大陆的联赛踢球，因为尽管中国大陆的足球行业内部存在问题，但其足球水平仍比香港高。
据我所知和所听到的，鉴于中国的总体收入水平很低，较低级别的中国联赛几乎不会给他们的球员支付高薪。因此，许多较低级别的比赛都是被操纵的，因为球员想要谋生。第二梯队的一些球员开着跑车。
顶级球员曾经拥有丰厚的薪水，这就是为什么著名的外国球员像帕托，胡尔克，哈姆西克等在中超踢球。然而，中国倾向于自发地改变他们的政策(这是一种保守的说法)，他们对中国联赛的支持减少了。正如我们所看到的，有很多外国球员因为欠薪和其他经济问题离开了中超。
Although the Chinese government intends to develop football, it has been deliberately avoiding the core of European football - community and association. China is not a country of immigrants, but poor farmers can be considered immigrants to this country. The poor neighborhoods of London and Paris are known to be fertile ground for football in England and France respectively. But for a variety of reasons, China's megacities seem to have a very brutal attitude towards slums (like Beijing Daxing in 2017).This also ruins the possibility of China nurturing football culture through the association, which is the source of football strength in Europe and South America.
中国政府虽然有意发展足球，但一直刻意回避欧洲足球的核心——社区和协会。中国不是一个移民国家，但是贫穷的农民可以被认为是这个国家的移民。在英国和法国，伦敦和巴黎的贫民区都是发展足球运动的沃土。但由于种种原因，中国的特大城市似乎对贫民窟有着非常残酷的态度(比如2017年的北京大兴)。这也破坏了中国通过足协培养足球文化的可能性，而足球文化是欧洲和南美足球实力的源泉。
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Without grass root football, no country can develop any good quality team or league， even in India the struggle to grow football has been, just like most sports in India, and why cricket succeeded, was because of a lack of development of grassroot football, unlike cricket that permeated every town and every street turned into a pitch.
如果没有草根足球，没有一个国家能发展出任何高质量的球队或联赛，即使在印度，发展足球的斗争一直在进行，就像印度的大多数体育运动一样，板球之所以成功，足球之所以失败，是因为缺乏草根足球的发展，不像板球渗透到每个城镇，每条街道都变成了球场。
Look at the comments. Glad to know people around world eagerly to see China has superior soccer men team
看看这些评论。很高兴知道世界各地的人们都渴望看到中国有优秀的男子足球队出现。
What makes China's ambitions even worse was not only did they fail to qualify in the 2022 cycle, they were unceremoniously eliminated in a 3-1 loss to Vietnam. Vietnam's record in the AFC WCQ doesn't do justice how they did. Vietnam pushed a lot of teams, like Japan to the brink. I find it so curious that for all the time and money being committed to this project, a lot of those players in the mid 2010s who moved to China either went back to Europe or South America almost soon after and the Chinese Super League never picked up the traction China hoped for.
让中国的野心更受挫的是，他们不仅没能进入2022年世界杯，还以1比3不敌越南，被毫不体面地淘汰了。越南在亚足联WCQ的记录并不能反映他们的表现。越南把很多球队都逼到了悬崖边，比如日本队。我觉得非常奇怪的是，尽管在这个项目上投入了大量的时间和金钱，但很多在2010年代中期来到中国的球员之后很快就回到了欧洲或南美，而中超联赛从未获得中国所希望的吸引力。
They should have invested in facilities, Coaching and grassroots philosophy.
他们应该在设施、教练和基层理念上进行投资。
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I think China could've been as good as Russia in the sport Football but they aren't it's an odd thing considering there population.
我认为中国可以在足球运动上和俄罗斯一样好，但他们没有，考虑到他们的人口，这是一件奇怪的事情。
This is literally the direct opposition to American football problem. For the case of China, it is overuse of money and mismanagement which crippled China's hope to qualify. For USA, it is the pseudo-franchise system of MLS that undermined American football development and caused its players to go exile for better European leagues. But both carries the same outcome: failure to achieve the necessary standard. And also, do not forget the final moment that caused China's football to such a humiliating fate: the 1-3 loss to Vietnam in 2022 WCQ - the first time ever a Southeast Asian nation claimed a win in a WCQ final round - and this happened on the Lunar New Year.
这和美式足球的问题正好相反。就中国而言，是资金的过度使用和管理不善削弱了中国出线的希望。对于美国来说，正是美国足球大联盟的伪特许经营制度破坏了美国足球的发展，导致美国球员流亡到更好的欧洲联赛。但两者都带来了同样的结果:无法达到必要的标准。此外，不要忘记导致中国足球遭遇如此耻辱命运的最后时刻:2022年世界足球锦标赛1-3负于越南——这是东南亚国家首次在世界足球锦标赛决赛轮中获胜——而这发生在农历新年。
Not everything is about money in football when it comes to players. Yes, CSL will pay more money than the European counterparts, but they want to play in European leagues and UCL because of the prestige associated without those tournaments.
对于球员来说，并不是所有的事情都和钱有关。是的，中超会比欧洲同行支付更多的钱，但他们还是想在欧洲联赛和伦敦大学联赛踢球，因为在中国踢球无法获得在这些联赛里比赛的威望。
To increase the Chinese national team's success China must continuously export players to Europe. As of now, I don't know any Chinese players playing in England, Spain, Italy and Germany. This can be done by creating many high level football academies, and spending the money on good teachers rather than the local football teams. Also, as far as I know there is no notable street football scene like in Brazil or Argentina.
为了增加中国国家队的成功，中国必须不断向欧洲输出球员。到目前为止，我还不知道有哪个中国球员在英格兰、西班牙、意大利和德国踢球。这可以通过建立许多高水平的足球学校，并把钱花在好的教练而不是当地足球队身上来实现。此外，据我所知，这里没有像巴西或阿根廷那样著名的街头足球场景。
Not having football as a part of the culture will make this plan fail.
不把足球作为文化的一部分会导致这个计划失败。
This is actually possible. With China's demographic crisis they will sooner or later have to start letting lots of young immigrants enter the country and allow double nationality. As the country gets richer, many foreign families will start developing in China brining valuable human capital and football genes, and with the humongous money China is investing in all sports, they will have the infrastructure to support anyone interested.
这实际上是可能的。随着中国的人口危机，他们迟早会开始允许大量年轻移民进入中国，并允许双重国籍。随着中国越来越富裕，许多外国家庭将开始在中国发展，带来宝贵的人力资本和足球基因，而中国在所有体育项目上投入的巨额资金，将为任何感兴趣的人提供支持。
in china, to be a scholar is to be the top of society. That is the only reason
在中国，成为学者才是社会的顶端。这是唯一的原因
I dont think this is very accurate. We can skip minor errors like saying was president by 2011 (he started 2013) or that overseas players over $5MM required a tax (domestic players were subject to this as well). Most importantly this video missed the central point. Chinese football flourished because an influx of money pumped in by real estate developers; it floundered because the entire real estate industry ran into cash flow problems
我认为这不是很准确。最重要的是，这个视频没有抓住重点。中国足球的繁荣源于房地产开发商注入的大量资金;它之所以陷入困境，是因为整个房地产行业都遇到了现金流问题
Can't see how China's task is enormous. Japan, the US, and S. Korea have achieved a creditable status in football. And African countries once the whipping boys of football in the 1970s are represented in the top 20. China's singular failure is not qualifying for the World Cup, but this needs to be balanced by the fact that competing nations in Asia (Japan, S. Korea, etc.) are also investing and spending significant funds, and have been doing so for longer than China.
看不出中国的任务有多么艰巨。日本、美国和韩国已经在足球领域取得了值得称赞的地位。非洲国家在20世纪70年代曾是足球界的替罪羊，现在进入了前20名。中国唯一的失败是未能进入世界杯，但这需要与他们在亚洲的竞争国家(日本、韩国等)也在投资和支出大量资金的事实相平衡，而且这些国家这样做的时间比中国更长。
It’s almost so brain-dead, to buy “star players” for the league; even if it’s to try and boost exposure and in turn broadcast revenue.
I refused to believe that you couldn’t find a handful of naturally gifted players within the billions of the populous, and also provide decent training facilities reinforce talent.
即使是为了提高曝光率，进而提高转播收入，为联盟购买“明星球员”这样的行为也几乎是一种脑残行为。
我不相信在亿万人口中找不到几位天赋异禀的球员，同时为他们提供体面的训练设施来强化其天赋。
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From a Chinese, why we don't produce many talents despite having the largest population is far beyond a question of football. The root of the problem lies within how our society is structured and the values of parents. Namely, for example in the UK, if you fail to make it as a professional football player, you can always play in the lower leagues or take a blue-collar job. That is nonexistent in China. For the vast majority of parents, academic grades are what matter most, because that's how you get to a top university and have a brighter future. Labour workers are looked down upon, their work is tiring, and they don't earn much. To have your kid train professionally is too big a risk, because after all, few can stand on the highest stage. So our youth academies are very very weak.
对于一个中国人来说，为什么我们拥有最多的人口却培养不出很多人才，这远远超出了足球的问题。问题的根源在于我们的社会结构和父母的价值观。例如，在英国，如果你不能成为一名职业足球运动员，你可以一直在低级别联赛踢球，或者找一份蓝领工作。这在中国是不存在的。对于绝大多数家长来说，学习成绩是最重要的，因为这是你进入顶尖大学和拥有更光明未来的途径。劳动工人被瞧不起，他们的工作很累，他们挣的不多。让你的孩子接受专业训练的风险太大了，因为毕竟很少有人能站在最高的舞台上。所以我们的青训学院非常非常薄弱。
If China really wanted to become a footballing powerhouse, they should start by offering Carlo Ancelotti 10 Billion euros and make him Football Czar of PR China! Give him absolute power and control, step aside and do everything he tells you! Within 10 years, China will be force in FIFA!
如果中国真的想成为足球强国，他们应该从给安切洛蒂100亿欧元开始，让他成为中国的足球沙皇!给他绝对的权力和控制权，让开，做他让你做的一切!10年内，中国将成为国际足联的一支强大力量!
China thinks it can solve every problem from the top. Executive orders, plans etc. But more often than not, those bureaucrats don't really understand how things actually work, just like their failure with the one-child-policy or the meltdown in China's real estate sector or the belt and road initiative. Chinese government officials and leaders believe that they can shape reality as they see fit, only for reality to punch back much harder. Football is not exception to that rule. Do you know any European or South American who plays in Korean Premier League? Or in Japan's J-League? Only Iniesta did, instead of retiring some years earlier. Yet South Korea and Japan are Asian superpowers in football, they win their continental cup frequently, their clubs fare well in Asian Champions League and they are permanent participants in the World Cup. And unlike China, S. Korea and Japan have players in the top 5 leagues in Europe.
中国认为自己可以自上而下的解决所有问题。通过行政命令、计划等。但通常情况下，那些官僚们并不真正理解事情是如何运作的，就像他们在独生子女政策上的xx、中国房地产行业的xx....。中国相信，他们可以按照自己认为合适的方式塑造现实，但现实会进行更猛烈的反击。足球也不例外。你认识在韩国超级联赛或者是在日本的j联赛踢球的欧洲人或南美人吗?只有伊涅斯塔做到了，而且没有提前几年退休。然而，韩国和日本是亚洲足球超级大国，他们经常赢得亚洲杯，他们的俱乐部在亚冠联赛中表现出色，他们是世界杯的永久参与者。与中国不同的是，韩国和日本在欧洲五大联赛中都有球员。
IMO, the Zero-COVID policy is definitely killing the clubs as well because they pretty much forfeited the AFC Champions League by playing youth players (imagine Man Utd plays Real Madrid with a squad they use for the EFL Trophy).
在我看来，新冠清零政策肯定也在扼杀俱乐部，因为他们几乎丧失了亚冠联赛的资格，因为他们使用的是年轻球员(想象一下，曼联用他们参加英冠杯的阵容迎战皇马)。
Like all things in life, you have to think long term if you want sustained success and longevity.
Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was it destroyed in a day.
就像生活中的所有事情一样，如果你想要持续的成功和长寿，你必须考虑长远。
罗马不是一天建成的，也不是一天毁灭的。
Judging by population and economy, India and China are the two biggest national failures today in football. Both individually have more than 4 times the population of USA, and both are top 10 in GDP. How the nations still underperform so heavily in the most popular sports in the world is baffling to me. To not even get a sniff when other smaller nations have performed so remarkably in the grandest stages is just weird.
从人口和经济来看，印度和中国是当今足球领域最大的两个失败国家。两个国家的人口都是美国的4倍多，GDP都排在前十。为什么这些国家在世界上最受欢迎的运动项目上仍然表现得如此糟糕，这让我感到困惑。当其他小国在最盛大的舞台上表现得如此出色时，他们却连登上舞台的机会都没有是很奇怪的。
Take note: The Chinese president's surname Xi is pronounced as "see", not "she". Two things you did not mention are the Chinese parents mindset and Chinese culture in particular. Football is just not in the radar. They rather their kid play golf, badminton or table tennis. And given the pressure to succeed economically, which parent will encourage their kid to take up soccer as a pro career? The same is happening in tennis and other sports. Same mindset in other Asian countries as well.
有两件事你没有提到，那就是中国父母的心态和中国文化。足球根本不在人们的视野之内。他们宁愿孩子打高尔夫球、羽毛球或乒乓球。考虑到要在经济上取得成功的压力，哪位父母会鼓励孩子把足球作为职业生涯呢?同样的情况也发生在网球和其他运动中。其他亚洲国家也有同样的心态。
我会建议中国专注于发现人才。务必将足球作为学校的一项课外活动，但更重要的是，要为真正对足球感兴趣的孩子们提供一条接触足球的途径。
The corporation-backed clubs of the Super League all chose to burn cash importing players for short-term publicity gains rather than importing the coaching and training infrastructure for long-term developmental gains. Capitalism thrives in China.
各大公司支持的中超俱乐部都选择烧钱引进球员来获得短期的宣传收益，而不是引进教练和训练基础设施来获得长期的发展收益。资本主义在中国蓬勃发展。
The failure is caused by one simple but powerful factor: Football is NOT a sport that attracts the Chinese. If your people don't like it, they won't play it and they won't watch it, so it is never going to improve it. Goes more from a cultural problem rather than a investment problem.
The only regions that plans like that can work, are South America and Europe. A clear example is Ecuador with the proyect "Independiente del Valle".
中国足球失败的原因是因为一个简单而有力的因素:足球不是一项能吸引中国人的运动。如果你的用户不喜欢你的游戏，他们就不会玩这种游戏，也不会观看这种游戏，所以你的游戏永远不会得到改善。与其说是投资问题，不如说是文化问题。
这样的计划唯一可行的地区是南美和欧洲。一个明显的例子是厄瓜多尔的“Independiente del Valle”球队项目。
You need to look for a reason why. And it’s pretty simple: YAO MING. He was drafted to the NBA and he became a superstar. A world class athlete. 1v1 with Shaq. The marketing from the NBA boosts the relationship between NBA and China.
That’s why China invests in basketball more than football.
So, why do people think this is a bad thing?
你要为此找个理由。那很简单:姚明。他被NBA选中，成为了超级巨星。成为了一个世界级的运动员。与奥尼尔1 v1。NBA的营销促进了NBA与中国的关系。
这就是为什么中国在篮球上的投资多于足球。
Asian champions league teams just send youth and b teams to the tournaments Korean teams get 1.01 odds to beat them
亚冠球队只派出青年队和b队参加比赛，韩国球队击败他们的赔率为1.01
saying China "gifted" Angola $500M for the Stadiums is misleading. It consisted of a usual and common bilateral loan. the UK government also has such loans for Angolan infrastructure projects, Israel is funding the construction of 2 new Stadiums and a Complex for disability athletes.
I truly love tifo journalism, but this political polarization can and should remain out of football
I'm Angolan btw
说中国“赠予”安哥拉5亿美元建设体育场是误导。它包括一项常规的和共同的双边贷款。英国政府也为安哥拉的基础设施项目提供了这样的贷款，以色列正在资助建造两个新的体育场馆和一个残疾运动员综合体。
我真的很喜欢看新闻，但是这种政治两极分化可以也应该远离足球
顺便说一句，我就在安哥拉。
The Chinese football fans have a name for the arrogant yet well-paid pro and national team players: "white boiled chickens" for their rather less-than-well conditioned physical shapes.
中国球迷给傲慢但收入丰厚的职业球员和国家队球员们起了一个名字:“白斩鸡”，指的是他们不太健康的身材。
Over-leveraged corporations in China wished to gain political flavors to sponsor soccer teams in China, and thereby gaining bank loans to fuel their debt-fueled acquisitions and expansions. Some of these sponsors went a step further to acquire European teams such as Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid, Southampton, and China decided to cramp down on the excessive leverage these corporations took and pretty much EVERY SINGLE soccer team sponsor went bankrupt the last 3 years, and therefore no more money going to the teams. This is very well-known in China and creditors avoided providing loans to these sponsors the last 3 years
So Tifo Football, if you really have no clues about the topic, you don't have to come up with a video for click-bait
中国杠杆率过高的企业希望通过赞助中国足球队来获得政治色彩，从而获得银行贷款，为其举债进行的收购和扩张提供动力。其中一些赞助商更进一步收购了国际米兰、马德里竞技、南安普顿等欧洲球队，中国决定限制这些公司的过度杠杆，几乎每一个足球队赞助商在过去3年都破产了，因此没有更多的钱给这些球队。这在中国是众所周知的，过去3年，债权人避免向这些赞助商提供贷款
所以，Tifo Football，如果你真的对这个话题没有任何头绪，你不必制作一个视频来吸引点击量。
The largest population in the world with the second biggest economy, and they can't find 11 players good enough to field a World Cup qualifying team.
Ancient China had organized professional Cuju matches, the earliest recorded form of football as recognized by FIFA and which predates the English by thousands of years. Not to mention China having one of the oldest martial arts cultures, in where strong and fast kicking is an integral part of Kung Fu technique. Yet Chinese football still remains in the gutter...
作为世界上人口最多，经济规模第二大的国家，他们却找不到11名足够优秀的球员来组建一支世界杯预选赛球队。
中国古代曾组织过职业蹴鞠比赛，这是国际足联承认的最早有记载的足球形式，比英国早了几千年。更不用说中国拥有最古老的武术文化之一，在那里，有力而快速的踢腿是功夫技术不可或缺的一部分。然而，中国足球仍然处于下风…
Fun fact: argentina never manage to beat china in any official football match
有趣的事实:阿根廷从未能够在任何官方足球比赛中击败中国
They should have just did what Japan did and went to South America and got Brazilians like you could spend for cheap and get good quality players in South America you don't have to get the European caliber players that are already proven
他们应该像日本那样，去南美买巴西人，你可以花便宜的钱在南美买到高质量的球员，你不需要买那些已经被证明是欧洲水准的球员
So we all know that you can't "create" football talent pools in 10 years. If you're not playing from the moment you can walk you have no chance to be great let alone world class. You can't just do what Germany did in the 2000's from scratch.
我们都知道，你不可能在10年内“创造”出足球人才库。如果你不是从你能走路的那一刻就开始打球，你就没有机会成为伟大的球员，更不用说成为世界级球员了。你不能像德国在2000年代那样从零开始。
I think by bringing in big players on big money the Chinese league gained a reputation for being a league for money hungry players. Nobody wants to watch that. They should have invested in youth who can build the future for football in China
我认为，通过花大价钱引进大牌球员，中国联赛赢得了“渴望金钱球员的联赛”的名声。没人想看这种联赛。他们应该投资那些可以为中国足球创造未来的年轻人
China has a huge population could have a team that rivals France with height. Why insist on smaller players?
中国拥有庞大的人口，可以组建一支与法国队身高相当的球队。为什么他们要坚持要小体型的球员?
It’s wild to me how you have 1.4 billion people and can’t find 11 decent footballers.
你们有14亿人口，却找不到11名像样的足球运动员，这对我来说太疯狂了。
'yea... What is happening with football in China?'
“是的…中国足球到底怎么了?”
they need more foreigners in their football
他们的足球需要更多的外国人
I can answer your title question without watching anything. The answer is "corruption and cheating".
我什么都不看就能回答你的问题。答案是“腐败和欺骗”。
Your showing some part of India in China. Please correct the map
你视频中的中国地图有一部分是印度领土。请把地图修改好。
Well it's a long term plan. China proofed to be good at those plans. Just look how fast they transformed the middle class the last 100 years.
这是一个长期的计划。事实证明，中国很擅长这些计划。看看他们在过去100年里转变成中产阶级的速度有多快。
I belive is more of a cultural thing, we watch european football cause europe has been close to the world for over 2000 years, by invading the rest of the world either culturally or thru war. China, on the other hand, is a very homogeneous nation that barely has gone out of Asia
我认为更多的是文化方面的原因，我们看欧洲足球是因为欧洲2000多年来一直与世界紧密相连，通过文化或战争入侵世界其他地区。另一方面，中国是一个非常单一的国家，几乎没有走出过亚洲。
Genetics plays a role I don't thinks Asiatique are made for that
基因起了一定的作用，我不认为亚洲人是为足球这项运动而生的。
Perhaps most talented athlete/youngster are more interested to other sports such as basketball, badminton etc.
也许大多数有天赋的运动员/年轻人对其他运动更感兴趣，比如篮球、羽毛球等。