“让他们起死回生”:这家美国公司将死者保存起来等待医学奇迹
‘Bring them back to life’: inside the US company preserving the dead to await medical miracles
译文简介
人们真的能起死回生吗，就算能，起死回生会带来什么后果，美国一家公司正在实施这个项目。
正文翻译
A US company is offering to preserve corpses for the day when medical science can come up with ways to bring the dead back to life. Arizona-based Alcor Life Extension Foundation says it had 1,393 paying members as of October 14, 2022. The company says its cryopreservation techniques protect the cells of human and pet remains they hold. Their fees for preserving a full body start at around US$200,000.
一家美国公司提供保存尸体的服务，以备有朝一日医学能找到使死者起死回生的方法。总部位于亚利桑那州的Alcor生命延续基金会表示，截至2022年10月14日，该基金会已有1393名付费会员。该公司表示，其低温保存技术可以保护人类和宠物遗体的细胞。他们保存尸体的费用起价约为20万美元。
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This is so cool to imagine it may work one day, but also terrifying, and sad. That person may wake up to the fact that everyone they knew is long dead.
想象有一天它可能会成功，这太酷了，但也很可怕，很悲伤。那个人可能会意识到他们认识的人都已经死了很久了。
It's very unrealistic I think. What would happen to them after revived? Can they find a job and survive? Any living relatives? What about how they adapt to new lifestyle and current global issues? Is there any satisfaction guarantee for such amount of money?
我认为这很不现实。他们复活后会怎么样?他们能找到工作并生存下来吗?生活的亲戚吗?他们如何适应新的生活方式和当前的全球问题?这么多钱有满意保证吗?
These scientists forget spiritual aspect about human. We're actually soul and spiritual being, not merely a clump of cells generated by some electricity in the brain.
这些科学家忘记了人类的精神层面。我们实际上是灵魂和精神的存在，而不仅仅是大脑中一些电流产生的一堆细胞。
In the end of time. Dead will be remain dead.
在时间的尽头。死人就是死人。
@Alephbeth Of course it's unrealistic, but those bodies have volunteered themselves to provide further study just in case science ever reached a point where they could be revived.
@Alephbeth当然这是不现实的，但这些尸体自愿提供进一步的研究，万一科学发展到可以让它们复活的地步。
@terra natrabu The belief in souls is a subjective matter, not a scientific fact. This is just for scientific purposes.
@terra natrabu 相信灵魂是一个主观的问题，而不是科学事实。这只是为了科学目的。
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If they wake up someday...are they still "same person"...?
如果有一天他们醒来…他们还是“同一个人”吗?
@Senyuri I feel pity for them wasted such money for uncertainty.
@Senyuri我很同情他们把这么多钱浪费在不确定的事情上。
@Alephbeth there are children who got themselves cryonised too. I don't wanna die young. Sure I'll spend 200000 on this. Life > money
@Alephbeth也有孩子被冷冻了。我不想英年早逝。当然，我愿意花20万买这个。生活大于钱
@Alephbeth It may not have been a waste of money for them. Some people are rich enough to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars. In this case, they're paying for a hope of the future. Can't exactly say it's a waste of money considering they're dead.
@Alephbeth这对他们来说可能不是浪费钱。有些人有钱到可以挥霍几十万美元。在这种情况下，他们是在为未来的希望付费。考虑到他们都死了，不能说这是浪费钱。
@Senyuri also, $200000 ain't much for a normal person.
Here small houses in Singapore already cost $250000(and somehow majority of people can afford them)
@Senyuri, 20万美元对一个正常人来说并不多。
新加坡的小房子已经卖到25万美元了(大多数人都买得起)
They knew the consequences before deciding to freeze their brains
在决定冷冻他们的大脑之前，他们知道后果
I bet a lot of people would love to start their life over with new possibilities in a future where anything is possible. The state of the world as it is now is not a great place in time to live honestly. Id much rather die now and wake up a lot later.
我敢打赌，很多人都希望在一个一切皆有可能的未来，以新的可能性重新开始他们的生活。现在的世界不是一个诚实生活的好地方。我宁愿现在就死，很久以后再醒来。
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start of zombie apocalypse
僵尸启示录开始
You make it sound like the people wealthy enough to do this care.
你说得好像有钱的人才会关心这件事。
@ViRrOorR erm, I agree with you. I'm more into the idea of dying only when I'm old. I don't want to die young.
But I respect your opinion
@ViRrOorR嗯，我同意你的观点。我更喜欢老了再死的想法。我不想英年早逝。
但我尊重你的意见
@Purple Requiem okay but my question is, how trustworthy the company? For example you know how pharma industry works right? Especially during this pandemic.
@Purple Requiem好吧，但我的问题是，这家公司有多值得信赖?例如，你知道制药行业是如何运作的，对吧?特别是在这期间。
@Alephbeth pandemic is over.
@Alephbeth流行病结束了。
关于公司的可信度，他们是这样认为的。这些钱用于为更多的病人开发设备，其中一小部分用于研究。
当然，他们必须使用其中的一小部分钱来谋生，这样他们才能生存，以确保公司的运行。
他们已经说过，他们用这笔钱来开发和维护整栋大楼。他们甚至用自己的钱来保存家人的遗体。
@Purple Requiem China disagreed with you.
@Purple Requiem中国不同意你的观点。
Me and best friend have promised that of either of us does it the other will follow.
我和我最好的朋友已经承诺，我们中的任何一个人这么做，另一个人就会跟着做。
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people that rich dont have friends or family. they trust no one.
那么富有的人没有朋友或家人。他们不相信任何人。
Don't worry it won't work.
别担心，没用的。
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The one who would do this on their own choice are sociopath with narcissistic tendencies so it does not really matter if they still have a semblances of relationship if they ever get revive.
那些自己选择这么做的人是有自恋倾向的精神病，所以如果他们复活了，他们是否还有表面上的关系并不重要。
Yeah..and what abt the pets?
那宠物呢?
they’re not going to wake up - they’re dead
他们不会醒过来的，他们已经死了
The question is Will that actually works ?
问题是这真的有用吗?
Hey, you're finally awake
嘿，你终于醒了
The question is do they still wanted to be alive or not
问题是他们是否还想活着
@terra natrabu their soul are still there if their consciousness is still there preserving the brains meant them living but without knowing if they are alive their souls is entrapped if they preserve the brain
@terra natrabu他们的灵魂还在，如果他们的意识还在，保存大脑意味着他们还活着，但不知道他们是否活着，如果他们保存了大脑，他们的灵魂就被困住了
Spartans from Halo or the Super Soldier program from the MCU
《光晕》中的斯巴达人或者漫威宇宙中的超级战士
What is terrifiying is that this people won’t let them rest in peace.
可怕的是这些人不让他们安息。
Y'all can dream on it will never work
你想都别想，这是行不通的
@Senyuri i think u r forget that this is something science do with HUMAN. So no matter what we should consider the human. Not just some another for science like you do some energy researche
@Senyuri我认为你忘记了这是科学与人类有关的事情。所以无论如何我们都应该考虑人类。而不是像你这样做一些能源研究的人
@terra natrabu Wrong, we’re infact just meat and electric signals.
@terra natrabu错了，我们实际上只是肉和电信号。
It won't happen,unless you put an intel i7 core into their brain and a Lithium battery of atleast 1MAh into their stomach.
这是不可能发生的，除非你把一个英特尔i7核放进他们的大脑，把一个至少1MAh的锂电池放进他们的胃里。
Almost certain the compaby will either go defunct or the facility will be shut down one day. Also it is quite impossible to reanimate frozen meat and I predict immortality will be simply chips to store memory like in altered carbon
几乎可以肯定的是，这家公司要么倒闭，要么工厂总有一天会被关闭。而且，让冻肉复活是完全不可能的，我预测永生将只是储存记忆的芯片，就像在改变的碳中一样
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It will never work.
这是行不通的。
They knew the consequences that's why they sign many documents before they die
他们知道后果这就是为什么他们在死前签了很多文件
What they're reviving is a useless bag of flesh the soul already left and won't come back.
他们复活的只是一袋无用的肉体灵魂已经离开了，再也回不来了。
They should first try this on animals and if it works then do it with humans ….just another scam
他们应该先在动物身上试验，如果有效，再在人类身上试验....只是一个骗局
@Bogyman the dark then tell that to all of those people that get reviving the operating table after dying
@Bogyman黑暗去告诉那些死后复活手术台的人吧
@Yessi villa cope, a little jealous?
@Yessi villa cope，有点嫉妒?
In my country, Chinese people who have a supermarket turn off the lights at night to save energy. I hope they don't do the same to these people.
在我的国家，拥有超市的中国人晚上会关灯以节约能源。我希望他们不会对这些人做同样的事。
@terra natrabu truth. Sad they are wasting their time. Yes human now are very intelligent but still there is a limit. They don't know that the body is just body. A cover skin of our soul...
@terra natrabu真理。可悲的是他们在浪费时间。是的，人类现在非常聪明，但仍然是有限度的。他们不知道肉体只是肉体。我们灵魂的保护皮…
@John Chevski So now a person should die instead of chasing immortality in order to not lose her relative and friends when they all would have still died even if she remained in her age? Her life, her choice.
@John Chevski所以现在一个人为了不失去她的亲戚和朋友就应该去死，而不是去追求永生，因为即使她还在这个年纪，他们还是会死的?她的生活，她的选择。
@terra natrabu There's no scientific evidence of the existence of the soul.
没有科学证据证明灵魂的存在。
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@Settiis Reminds me of the backlash Charles Darwin faced when he said people were merely animals.
@Settiis让我想起了查尔斯·达尔文说人不过是动物时遭到的强烈反对。
That’s not how life works, biggest scam I’ve ever seen.
生活不是这样的，这是我见过的最大骗局。
Quite a fascinating and terrifying idea. Imagine the desire to live and science finally being able to bring a human body back from the dead. But once they come back, they may not be entirely themselves. Or, they may wake up at a time period where the culture and language has changed so drastically they will have to struggle to adapt. They may also have to come into difficult terms with the idea that everyone they knew like close friends and family members are long gone.
真是个迷人又可怕的想法。想象一下人们对生存的渴望科学最终能让人起死回生。但一旦他们回来，他们可能就不是完全的自己了。或者，他们可能会在一个文化和语言发生巨大变化的时期醒来，他们将不得不努力适应。他们可能还不得不接受这样一个想法:他们认识的所有人，比如亲密的朋友和家人，都早已不在了。
then thats no different than reborn in old body.. sad and wicked to break our natural cycle.
那这和在老身体里重生没什么区别。悲伤和邪恶打破了我们的自然循环。
imagine your parents died and went into cryo. Whos gonna help them when they finally waking up? just for them to found out be all alone? thats a torment for them.
想象一下你的父母死了，被冷冻了。当他们终于醒来时，谁来帮助他们?就为了让他们发现自己孤身一人?这对他们来说是一种折磨。
People not being themselves after a revival or recovery from a serious illness or brain injury is very real. I know because I probably live with these changes everyday of my life without knowing. As a child I was a super happy, bubbly, outgoing and whimsical child with very little interest or ability in education. Then when I was 6 I was bitten by a brown recluse, it bit right into a vein on my cheek that leads to the brain. I was not aware of what happened so I continued on with kid stuff until it was bedtime. Well My mom tried to wake me up the next morning only to find me unresponsive, no pulse, no breathing and grey as a corpse. She rushed me to the ER and they somehow were able to save me. According to my mom when I came back home I was never the same again. I became extremely antisocial, I was always irritated, I started thinking people were out to get me, and started becoming extremely obsessed with particular topics. Instead of playing with other kids I spent my hours pacing in the same spot in my backyard imaging myself as the leader of a one world government with spacefaring and terraforming capabilities.
人们在从严重疾病或脑损伤中恢复或恢复后不再做自己是非常真实的。我知道，因为我可能每天都生活在这些变化中，而不知道。作为一个孩子，我是一个超级快乐，活泼，外向和异想天开的孩子，对教育几乎没有兴趣或能力。6岁的时候，我被一只棕色隐士咬了一口，正好咬进了我脸颊上通向大脑的静脉。我没有意识到发生了什么，所以我继续玩孩子的游戏，直到睡觉时间。嗯我妈妈第二天早上试图叫醒我，结果发现我没有反应，没有脉搏，没有呼吸，脸色苍白得像具尸体。她赶紧把我送到急诊室，他们设法救了我。据我妈妈说，当我回到家的时候，我再也不是原来的我了。我变得非常反社会，我总是很生气，我开始认为人们是想要抓住我，并开始对某些话题极度着迷。我没有和其他孩子一起玩，而是花很多时间在后院的同一个地方踱步，想象自己是一个拥有太空和地球化能力的世界政府的领导人。
@Sean Robinson tf happened to you g
@Sean Robinson，你真倒霉
What scares me the most is that they said, "clinically dead" patient. What if you are not dead dead, yet trapped in those ice for centuries. Probably I just watched too much near death experiences stories from people who've been declared as clinically dead but not dead.
最让我害怕的是他们说"临床死亡"的病人。如果你没有死，只是被困在冰里几个世纪呢。也许我只是看了太多关于濒死经历的故事那些被宣布临床死亡但并没有死亡的人。
Honestly I wouldn't mind. These people volunteered most likely because they were close to dying anyways. So in essence, instead of just dying, you time travel like 100's or thousands of years into the future where there might be a cure for you in an entirely new age. That's very exciting.
说实话，我不介意。这些人很可能是因为他们已经快死了。所以从本质上说，你不是死，而是穿越到100年或数千年的未来，在那里一个全新的时代可能会有治愈你的方法。这是非常令人兴奋的
People already don’t adapt to “The times” just between normal successive generations of society. Also, either way, most of us enjoy our lives ALONE and they’re those “alone memories” of mine which are most cherished and bring me most comfort every day.
人们已经不适应“时代”只是正常的代代相传的社会。而且，不管怎样，我们大多数人都很享受独处的生活，它们是我最珍视的“独处记忆”，每天给我带来最大的安慰。
@Mozambique One could argue our overuse of antibiotics, as well as global distribution of them breaks the natural cycle too!!!
Are you actually in Mozambique?
@Mozambique有人可能会说，我们过度使用抗生素，以及抗生素在全球的分布也破坏了自然循环!!
你真的在莫桑比克吗?
A lot of people find this immoral for the simple fact that they don't agree with this process. You have to realize, not only did they choose this but they're most likely fine with the fact that everyone they knew is dead. For some, that's been the case before being cryogenized.
很多人认为这是不道德的，因为他们不同意这个过程。你必须意识到，他们不仅选择了这条路而且他们很可能对他们认识的人都死了这件事很满意。对一些人来说，这是在被低温处理之前的情况。
Why does everyone keep saying "everyone you know will be dead" ? Who's to say they're family isn't going to do it too so they all essentially, live forever ?
为什么每个人都说"你认识的人都会死"谁能说他们的家人不会这样做，所以他们基本上都永远活着?
or scammed forever. even the most successful companies dont last 100 yrs and this whole thing could be over if not by natural disaster or change in legislation, then by company mismanagement itself.
永远或被骗。即使是最成功的公司也不会持续100年，如果不是因为自然灾害或立法改革，而是因为公司管理不善，这整件事可能会结束。
@Hbomb411 some even freeze their pets too
@Hbomb411有些人甚至还把他们的宠物冷冻起来
You last sentence is chillingly true
你的最后一句话是令人不寒而栗的事实
It doesn't change the fact that it is still immoral due to the fact so e people are trying trending in areas that no man is ment to go in.
这改变不了一个事实，那就是它仍然是不道德的，因为人们试图在没有人能进入的领域流行。
@Pepe Le Pew im thinking about that too
@Pepe Le Pew我也在考虑这个问题
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So pets like dogs and cats 'chose' this method too?
所以像狗和猫这样的宠物也“选择”了这种方法?
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I'm fine with that if i were to live longer than most or even immortal. I don't need no one to anchor me to sanity and friends can always be made anywhere or when you wake up.
如果我能比大多数人活得更久，甚至长生不老，我也能接受。我不需要任何人来让我保持清醒，朋友总是可以在任何地方或者当你醒来的时候交到。
These people are too weak and coward they think they will go insane if they live longer.
这些人太懦弱了，他们认为自己活久了就会发疯。
I'm not afraid to move on. Kudos to these people. I wish them the very best.
我不怕向前看。向这些人致敬。我祝他们一切都好。
Exactly. The world doesn't excite me to stay
完全正确。这个世界并没有让我兴奋的停留
This is awesome. In 82 I was diagnosed with Boneitis I was told that modern medicine doesn't have a cure yet but this gives me another chance
这是可怕的。82年，我被诊断出患有骨髓炎。医生告诉我，现代医学还无法治愈骨髓炎，但这给了我另一个机会
Hey! I'm only 16 and I don't wanna die young. Who knows I might die from car accident. No way I'm letting my life to go just like that
嘿!我才16岁，我不想英年早逝。谁知道我可能会死于车祸。我绝不能让我的生活就这样结束
Lol that episode is one of my favorites. My only regret is not getting the cure for boneitis!
哈哈，那集是我最喜欢的一集。我唯一的遗憾就是没能治好骨炎!
@Purple Requiem but it doesn't depend on you. Some die at young age, some at old.
@Purple Requiem，但这并不取决于你。有些人英年早逝，有些人老死
We might have even solved the problems of aging by then
到那时，我们甚至可能已经解决了衰老的问题
@Calvin M. Exactly, I'm not dying young. If I ever die, I'm going straight to cryonics not the grave
@Calvin M.没错，我不会英年早逝。如果我死了，我会直接进人体冷冻室而不是坟墓
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too busy being an 80's guy...
忙着做一个80后…
But are you rich
但你有钱吗?
Ten years ago, I read a MANGA that has a story which revolves around the concept of cryopreservation and I always thought that the idea was possible and later on would be turned into a reality...and here we are now! Technology never cease to amaze me.
十年前，我读到一本漫画，里面有一个关于低温保存概念的故事，我一直认为这个想法是可能的，之后会变成现实……现在我们到了!科技带给我的惊喜从未停止过。
What you smoking? We're not even there. We're just preserving the body like pickles
你抽烟吗?我们甚至还没到那一步。我们只是像保存咸菜一样保存尸体
@Leo Low
Dude, did you actually understand what I wrote? Reading comprehension, please! I was just referring to the IDEA or CONCEPT of cryopreservation (preserving or freezing) being turned into reality. The fact that scientists were able to do that is already beyond amazing.
@Leo低
老兄，你真的明白我写的吗?阅读理解,谢谢!我只是指冷冻保存(保存或冷冻)的想法或概念变成现实。科学家们能够做到这一点已经非常惊人了
@Gie gie I though Walt Disney’s body was cryopreserved (a common myth). It goes to show that the idea and concept has been around for a loong time. The process, in my humble opinion, a scam, has been going on for ages.
@Gie gie我以为Walt Disney的尸体是冷冻保存的(一个常见的神话)。这表明这个想法和概念已经存在很长时间了。在我看来，这个过程是个骗局，已经进行了很久了。
@R Banerjee This is the first time I heard about Walt Disney's body being cryopreserved. You made me curious so I searched it in the net and articles say that it is just rumors or myth going around. Nevertheless, it is still an information worth knowing.
@R Banerjee这是我第一次听说沃尔特·迪士尼的尸体被冷冻保存。你让我好奇，所以我在网上搜索，文章说这只是谣言或神话流传。尽管如此，这仍然是一个值得了解的信息。
What's the name of the manga?
漫画的名字是什么?
@Yasヤッセル
The manga is called Nemurihime - Yume Miru You Ni Koi Shiteru
这部漫画的名字叫《Nemurihime - Yume Miru You Ni Koi Shiteru》
This concept has been in scifi for decades. Youre kinda late
这个概念在科幻小说中已经存在了几十年。你有点晚了
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