美国最高法院推翻罗伊诉韦德案 红迪网友对此进行激烈讨论
The Supreme Court has overturned Roe V. Wade. How do you feel?
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美国最高法院推翻罗伊诉韦德案在美国引起很大轰动，该事件也上了红迪的头条。所以摘取了其中一些评论翻译了一下。水平有限，敬请指正
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The Supreme Court has overturned Roe V. Wade. How do you feel?
美国最高法院推翻罗伊诉韦德案 红迪网友对此进行激烈讨论
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if you think only women are affected by the abortion ban, you are wrong. forcing babies into poverty will only increase crime rates because children and adults of low economic status have more incentive to join gangs and commit crimes. imagine trying to buy a house or get a job with all of the extra competition in this fking economy. imagine trying to have a kid with your wife but there are medical complications which make your fetus nonviable, requiring an abortion and she dies for no reason. people you know personally will be affected and may die or suffer immensely as a result. this affects the entire country in a very negative way. you might think this won't affect you because most of us never lived in a reality where abortion was banned federally. all it takes is bad luck for it to affect you.
如果有些人认为只有女性会受到堕胎禁令的影响，那你就大错特错了。强制堕胎只会提高犯罪率。因为经济地位处于弱势的成年人和少年儿童会有更大的动机加入帮派并实施犯罪。想一下吧，现在这种该死的经济状况，你想买个房子或者找个工作得卷成什么样子？再想一想，你想跟你的妻子生个孩子，结果胎儿有先天性疾病必须堕胎，不然媳妇就得死。你认识的所有人都可能受到这个该死的禁令的影响，可能因此死亡，或者遭受别的什么痛苦。甚至整个国家都要持续受到负面的影响。你可能认为你自己不会受到影响，因为之前大部分时候国家并不禁止堕胎。但是你怎么肯定永远不会受到影响呢。
（译注：妹子有点语无伦次，看出来非常激动。）
Refer also to pages 30 - 32 of the opinion of the court. It explicitly and directly calls into question the following Rights and opens the door for them to be next on the chopping block.
That is the right to: Marry a different race
Marry in prison
Obtain contraception
Reside with relatives
Make decisions about the education of one's child
to not be sterilized without one's consent
To, in certain circumstances, not be forced to undergo involuntary surgery, administration of drugs, or other similar procedures
Engage in private, consensual, sexual acts
Marry of the same sex
Would any of that effect you? That’s what’s next in Christofascist America. Who’s feeling radicalized by the nations descent into fascism and theocracy?
看一下法院解释的30-32页。其中非常直接了当的质疑下述权利，这些权利可能就是下一个“堕胎禁令”，包括：
不同种族通婚
狱中结婚
购买避孕工具
与亲人同居
插手孩童教育
未经批准不得绝育
某些情况下，应当接受非自愿性质的手术、对药物的管制以及其他类似程序
从事私人的、双方皆同意的性行为
同性婚姻
你觉得你不会受到这些东西的影响吗？这些就是基督教法西斯主义美国下来要采取的行动。眼睁睁看着国家成为法西斯主义和神权政治，难道不该激动吗？
Picture being a 13 or 14 year old neglected or abused girl who is "noticed" by a 20-or-30 something year old male. What kind of life is SHE going to have, what kind of life is her CHILD going to have?
We are going to see an uptick in infanticide, child abuse and neglect, and a whole new strata of EXTREMELY damaged and angry people.
Have fun! Who cares! I Got Mine and My Sidepiece is able to get all the abortions she needs!
想象一下，一个一直被忽视虐待的十三四岁少女突然受到了二三十岁的雄性凝视。她接下来的生活会怎样？她孩子的生活以后会怎样？
我想我们可能会看到婴儿受到伤害，虐待和忽视儿童情况的上升，以及一个因受到损害而极端愤怒的崭新人群的诞生。
好似！谁在乎啊！反正“我”已经得到了我想要的，“我媳妇”也能在需要的时候堕胎。
Few seem to grasp this. Forced birth doesn't always save babies. Women with unwanted pregnancies are going to smoke, drink, do drugs, skip prenatal care. So you end up with damaged babies. Unwanted babies often lead short horrific lives of abuse & neglect. If they survive that many are destined to be violent criminals
似乎很多人都不太懂。其实强制分娩并不一定就能挽救胎儿。有些意外怀孕的女性，她们可能会肆无忌惮的抽烟、喝酒、吸Du，从不接受产前护理。而这最终会导致生下来的婴儿具有先天性缺陷。
而这些意外出生的婴儿往往会在成长过程中受到虐待和忽视，并最终结束短暂的一生。即便没有夭折，很多人长大后也往往会走到犯罪的道路上。
Yep. My dad was pro-life until I had to have an operation to remove my nonviable pregnancy. Now he’s pro-choice and is “seeing the light” so to speak. people will always have a certain mindset until it happens to you or someone you care about
确实。我爹之前就是反堕胎支持者。但他后来看到我因为怀孕而威胁到生命并最终无奈堕胎的时候。他现在成了一个堕胎支持者。可以说，他的眼中看到了“光明”。人们总是会有事不关己高高挂起的心态，直到最终事情落到自己头上。
Republicans want more crime. Unfortunately Democrats aren't going to run that attack ad because they are wimps.
共和党们想要提高犯罪率。不行的是懦弱的民主党们并不敢提出反对。
Such a great day for America! The rich will have a bigger domestic pool of children to adopt from and they ones that aren't lucky enough to become a toy for some rich family will be cheap labor... Even cheaper labor if they end up in one of the private prisons!
又是使米粒尖更加伟大的一天！幸运的儿童会被富人们收养，而那些不够幸运无法成为富裕家庭玩具的孩子们则会成为光荣的廉价劳动力。哦，错了，如果有幸进入监狱，他们将更廉价！
I 'm not happy with this, but poor people aren't always doomed. There's too much stigma against the poor already.
我不支持堕胎禁令，但必须要承认穷人并不一定会因为这个禁令而灭绝。现在他们受到太多的污名化了。
sorry to say but yeah they are. abortion bans only affect poor people. rich women can move out of state to get abortions. poor people cant.
不好意思，他们没说错。禁令只会影响穷人，因为富裕的女性能到别的州堕胎。但是穷人没这个能力。
I mean poor people aren't doomed to a life of crime. Most of my family grew up with less and we are not criminals. Neither are a lot of people I know. A lot of the studies are biased against poor people.
我的意思是，穷人不一定注定走上犯罪道路。我家族的大部分人成长环境都很贫瘠，但我们并没有犯罪。我认识的很多人也没有犯罪。现在很多研究结论都会穷人充满偏见。
i'm not saying they are doomed but they are far more likely to become criminals than rich people. the studies aren't biased against poor people. poor people are more likely to commit "petty" crimes like theft and murder while rich people are more likely to commit white collar crimes.
我不是说他们肯定会失败，会犯罪。而是说相比富裕家庭，他们实施犯罪的可能性会更高。那些研究并没有歧视穷人。很多家境贫困的人更可能会实施盗窃、谋杀等“轻微”犯罪，而富人则可能会实施经济型犯罪。
All those AskReddits where people ask "why don't you want kids?" And all the people chime in talking about how they felt that way too until they had their own...well, we're about to have a society full of people getting pregnant without the option to terminate, possibly without birth control itself even being accessible if they go after previous rulings, find out quickly that not everyone "feels differently about kids when they're your own!"
A lot of people forget how child abuse & neglect was just a Tuesday in more households than not in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s & 60s. Times are changing and child welfare is probably going to backslide as well with the increasing caseloads in another few short years.
那些在网上问“你为啥不想要孩子？”的人去哪儿了？所有人都在谈论他们对这事的想法，直到他们发现自己也有孩子了······行吧，我们很快就会看到一个人人挺着大肚子的社会。没法自主决定终止妊娠，没有生育控制。
很多人没有意识到，对于儿童的虐待和忽视只是日常生活的一个缩影，而不是你以为的上世纪二三十年代才会发生的事情！时代变了，孩子们的福利也可能随着日后某些案件的增多而减少。
They’re not federally banned, just no longer constitutionally protected, right? They’ve overturned Roe VS Wade and given the right to decide back to states, like most things that are not written out in The Constitution or amended into it. I’m not agreeing with it, but that’s the way I’m understanding it. If no states changed things, would this even effect anything? Although, I know it’s not what’s going to happen, I’m just trying to see if I’m understanding the actual ruling.
这些权利没有被国家禁止，只是不再受到宪法的保护了，对吧？最高法院推翻了罗伊诉韦德案，并把决定是否禁止堕胎的权力发回各州，就像之前很多没有写进宪法中的事情一样。我不认可这个禁令，但我觉得这么理解应该没有错。
如果各个州没有因此改变什么，那又有啥会受到影响呢？我不知道以后会发生什么，我只是尝试着对最高法院的裁决进行了一下理解。
Or, give them grit to rise above and improve the family's next generation. Sorry man, but I have personal experience and so does my husband with improving our finances from what we experienced as children. I have also seen many stories and its even a common theme in Hollywood.
Now, what's a real problem amongst those who live in poverty or come from it, is obesity/poor eating habits and mental health.
我觉得应该帮助穷人产生改变下一代命运的勇气。以我个人经验来看，我和我的丈夫都从同年经历中受益良多，并因此改善了我们的经济状况。我看过很多类似我们身上的故事，它们甚至成为了好莱坞的一个主题。
现在，对于真正贫困的人来说，改变不良饮食习惯、保持心理健康才是最关键的。
I was raised in poverty. Homeless or a step above my whole childhood. At 6' I was 120 lbs until my early-mid-20s when I could finally afford to eat right. I fought like hell and elevated my family from poverty for the sake of my daughters.
With all due respect... actually no, I have no respect to your shit opinions. Fuck you. Nobody should have to live like that. Nobody should have to "grit and rise above". There is no value added for it. There is no character added for it. I am not stronger for it. I am deeply broken and scarred, and the only thing that gives me compassion and keeps me moving is that I don't want to see other people experience the hell I lived through.
You are implicitly advocating for human suffering. You and those who espouse your ideals are everything that is wrong with the world.
我是穷人家的孩子。无家可归甚至更严重的情况也无法形容我的同年。我身高六英尺的时候体重足足有120磅。后来直到20多岁的时候才终于能负担自己的饮食，不用再吃穷人快乐餐了。我必须像魔鬼一样奋斗，为了我的家庭，也为了我的女儿们。
恕我直言，你的这些观点都是狗屎。XXX（美式国骂）。没人想过穷日子。没人应当遵从你的“保持坚毅和卓越”的观点。那对于我们来说没有价值。我不会因此变得更强大。我已经深受伤害并伤痕累累。唯一能给我动力并让我行动起来的就是，我不想看到别人再经历我曾经的生活。
你傲慢的吹嘘人们遭受的苦难。你和那些支持你观点的家伙都是世界运行中的bug！
What if a married couple found out through ultrasound that their very wanted and planned baby was going to be born without a brain or some other horrific genetic deformity and basically have to live as a vegetable and cost millions of dollars in medical care? You’re saying they should be forced to go through with that?
要是一对新人夫妻通过检查发现他们即将出生的孩子有着先天性疾病，以后只能像植物一样生活，还要花费数百万的医疗费，他们应该怎么办？你觉得他们应该被强迫生产吗？
To those not thinking about the impact abortion bans will have on the living, breathing women and existing families of this nation:
Overall, 23.7% of women have had an abortion since Roe was decided.
That number has dropped to around 18% for women in recent years due to better availability of contraception and more complete sexual education, even if via internet. <-- If you truly care about reducing abortion, this is where to concentrate your effort.
Those wanting Roe overturned and abortion criminalized are in the minority (~30% and ~20%). This PROHIBITION is not the will of the people.
Those who think their lifestyle means it can never happen to them, look around you. Every 4th woman you see has made the choice to end a pregnancy. In your church. In your school. In your friend group. In your family. Maybe you and you're lying to protect yourself from, well, we all know what you're protecting yourself from. It happens. ALL. THE. TIME. Even the women screaming outside clinics, them too.
Roughly the same number of women today have miscarriages as have abortions. Miscarriages look like botched abortions.
Miscarriages often require a D&C to protect the woman from sepsis and other complications. A D&C is an abortion. If you think your wife, your daughter, yourself, will be treated well by medical personnel because "not me", I suggest you read some of the pre-Roe horror stories.
对于那些不清楚堕胎禁令对妇女和家庭将会产生什么影响的人，应当看下这个：
根据数据统计，自从罗伊案判决之后，有23.7%的妇女曾经堕过胎。
近年来，由于避孕措施的普遍使用以及更加全面的性教育，这一数字已经下降到了18%左右。要是你真的想减少堕胎的发生，你就应该在这方面发挥作用。
根据统计，希望罗伊案被推翻以及支持将堕胎列为刑事犯罪的人只是少数情况（大约分别为30%和20%）。因此，这并非人民普遍的想法。
那些认为自己不会受到禁令影响的人看看自己的周围吧。你看到的每四个女性中就有一人做出过终止妊娠的选择。不管你是在教会、在学校、在朋友中还是在家里。
粗略估计，选择流产的妇女人数与堕胎人数基本一致。在我看来，流产是一种更拙劣的堕胎。
对于需要流产的妇女来说，她们通常需要进行D&C措施来保护自己免受败血症和其他并发症的危害。而D&C就是一种堕胎。
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At any given time there are over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted in the US. There's no shortage of children to adopt.
The women most likely today to abort are those of us most in need. Poverty-stricken women, often women of color, in their 20s or 30s, often having children already, who don't have access to decent healthcare, education, or contraception, who work constantly and still need assistance just to feed the children she has, these are the women most impacted.
The US has the worst maternal mortality rate of the developed world. Women of color die at 3 times the rate of white women.
The clerk checking out your 99-cent plastic bowl from Walmart is likely working as many jobs and/or hours as possible only to still need public assistance to feed their children (that they then get shamed for needing/having). Before starting any "back in my day" stories, think...really think, about what it would have been like for you 30-40 years ago if you instead made $70 for every $100. What if you had no family to help? I remember taking $20 and a calculator to the grocery store to feed us for an entire week. Because that's all I had. Now take that $20 away and another $100 for good measure. That's where today's poor live. Walmart recorded record profits, thanks in part to the corporate welfare of low wages, no/low taxes, and an economic system manipulated to allow the wealth of an entire nation to be siphoned off into private hands.
大约有40%的女性都会受到这种措施的直接负面影响。而这些女性并不欠你什么！
基本上在任何时候，美国都会有超过十万名儿童等待收养。因此你不需要担心因为堕胎而没法收养孩童。
最有可能进行流产的女性才是最需要帮助的。她们往往是20多岁或30多岁的贫困妇女，并且通常是有色人种，已经有了自己的孩子。她们通常无法获得良好的医疗保健，没法获得教育并进行避孕措施。她们即使不断努力工作，也仍然需要政府援助才能抚养自己的孩子，这些人受到的影响才是最大的。
美国的孕妇死亡率在发达国家中高居榜首。而其中，有色人种女性的死亡率是白人的三倍。
拿在沃尔玛收银的店员来举例，她们可能会选择尽全力的工作，但即使这样也仍然需要公共援助来抚养自己的孩子。并因为这种援助而感到羞耻。
在任何拿“我们那时候”来举例之前，请你仔细想想，如果你回到三四十年前，然后发现你需要100块却只能挣70的时候自己要怎么办？如果你没有家人可以帮衬怎么办？我仍然非常清楚的记得自己曾经用20块钱加上在杂货店干些零活养活了一家人一星期。因为这就是我所拥有的一切。而这就是穷人的生活。
很多人对于沃尔玛的超额利润感到满意，却没想过这利润的背后是低廉的薪水、低额的税收以及幕后老板对经济的控制。他们收走了整个国家的财富。
I had a D&C because my body thought I was still pregnant though my baby had no heartbeat at 9 weeks. Nausea, vomiting, feeling of being pregnant, exhaustion, I had it all uptill 11 weeks. It measured 7 weeks, my body couldn't even start the process of termination itself for a month, so I had to had an intervention. If I didnt had a D&C for the missed miscarriage, I might have died of sepsis.
I live in Saudi and even here its legalised (to save mothers). I am pro choice but my religion states otherwise, I have read too many cases that changed my mind. Its a horrific situation.
我曾经做过D&C，因为我的身体以为我还在怀孕，即便我的孩子在九周的时候就已经死了。恶心、呕吐、怀孕的幻觉、疲惫，这些整整折磨了我11周。身体对怀孕的错觉持续了七周，在这其间我根本没法终止这种感受，所以我不得不进行干预。要是我没有因为错过堕胎而不得不实施D&C的话，我可能会死于败血症。
我现在住在沙特，即便在这里堕胎都是合法的。我认为母亲应当拥有选择堕胎的权利，但我信仰的宗教反对这个。我读过很多这方面的文章，它们在潜移默化的改变我的想法。这让我恐惧。