网友讨论：谁是东南亚最强的国家？
What is the strongest country in Southeast Asia?
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网友：我认为这主要取决于你如何定义“强大“。印尼是东南亚人口最多，经济规模最大的国家，这使得印尼成为了一个非常具有影响力的国家，新加坡人均收入最高，在国际金融，船运和制造业方面拥有很强的实力，因此新加坡可以发挥远超自身体量的影响力......
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网友讨论：谁是东南亚最强的国家？
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speaks Khmer, Malay, Indonesian, reads Sanskrit & Pali, and has lived years in South and Southeast Asia.4y
I think this largely depends on your definition of “powerful.”
Indonesia has the largest population as well as the largest economy, making it an extremely influential player.
Singapore, with the highest per capita income and strong international financial, shipping and manufacturing, and therefore exerts influence beyond it size and population. It is also an exporter of defense technology.
Indonesia and Singapore also spend the most on defense.
Thailand is the second largest economy, has an entrenched middle class with strong military, and in part because of that, a fairly large defense.
我认为这主要取决于你如何定义“强大“
印尼是东南亚人口最多，经济规模最大的国家，这使得印尼成为了一个非常具有影响力的国家
新加坡人均收入最高，在国际金融，船运和制造业方面拥有很强的实力，因此新加坡可以发挥远超自身体量的影响力。新加坡还是国防技术的出口国。
印尼和新加坡也是在国防上投入最多的东南亚国家
泰国是东南亚第二大经济体，有着稳固的中产阶级，而且泰国还拥有强大的军事实力，部分原因在于泰国军队可以获得相当庞大的国防预算。
越南自与中国在南海问题上爆发冲突以来一直在稳步提升国防开支，越南在老挝和柬埔寨拥有很强的影响力。我不会说越南是东南亚最强的，但越南是一颗正在冉冉上升的新星。
所以这意味着马来西亚，文莱，东帝汶，菲律宾和缅甸或许不是东南亚最强的。马来西亚本可以成为最强的竞争对手，但纳吉布的管理不善严重损害了马来西亚在东南亚和全球的地位。菲律宾拥有强大的经济和军事实力，但他们无法处理国内问题，更不用说像印尼和越南那样向南海投射力量。
Indonesia will become a key player in Asia.
印尼将会成为亚洲的关键玩家
I agree with a lot of what Jarrod Brown said but I would rate Vietnam’s army higher than Singapore as they have both a large and disciplined Army.
我同意作者的很多观点，但和新加坡军队相比，我对越南军队评价要更高一些，因为他们的军队规模庞大，而且纪律严明。
You forgot Laos :(
你忘了还有老挝
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May I add. That’s correct, the Philippines has a stronger economy, by now if you visit the Philippines you will see infrastructure are being built in lightning speed all over the archipelago. The Philippines can easily built ships at a faster rate since it’s the fourth largest ship builder in the world, the problem is they only have the technology to built large cargo ship and not the war ship type. Remember too that the Philippines in the 1960s was the second developed economy in Asia after Japan, it’s economic infrastructure is more matured . That time Filipinos businessmen and technocrat were sent to Indonesia and Singapore to help develop their economy.
我想补充一点。你说的没错，菲律宾拥有更强的经济，现在如果你去菲律宾，你会看到在菲律宾群岛上基础设施正以闪电般的速度在修建。菲律宾可以更快的速度轻松的造出船只，因为它是世界第四大造船国，问题在于他们只有建造大型货轮的技术，而不知道如何制造军舰。要知道菲律宾在上世纪60年代是仅次于日本的亚洲第二发达的国家，他的经济基础设施更加的成熟。当时菲律宾商人和技术专家被派往印尼和新加坡帮助他们发展经济
We never had Filipino technocrats since we have very own with much better credibilities and they have much better education. Philippines development can only be compared with Timor Leste or zimbabwe.
我们从来没有菲律宾的技术专家，因为我们有自己的专家，而且他们更加可靠，他们接受过更好的教育。菲律宾的发展只能和东帝汶或津巴布韦相提并论。
In the early 1960 Filipino businessmen developed and helped Indonesia’s timber and mining industries. Philippines was once one of the biggest investors in Indonesia.
在1960年代早期，菲律宾商人帮助发展了印尼的木材和采矿业。菲律宾曾经是印尼最大的投资国之一。
Weird that Malaysia is not included, while singapore is included
奇怪的是，马来西亚不是东南亚最强的国家之一，而新加坡却是
Indonesia with a population of nearly 150 million is no doubt the most powerful country in southeast asia. Indonesia is also member of G8 and G20 summit meeting. Indonesia has been concentrating to scale up its defence by fielding its armed forces with new modern jet fighters new tanks new artilleries new warships new infantry weapons during recent years. Geographically Indonesia is also the largest country in southeast asia, largest in the world of its moslem devotees beside politically and economically stable.
拥有近1.5亿人口的印尼无疑是东南亚最强的国家。印尼还是G8和G20峰会的成员国。近年来，印尼一直致力于扩大自己的国防力量，为自己的武装力量部署了新的现代化的喷气式战斗机，新型坦克，新型火炮，新型战舰和新式的步兵武器。从地理上讲，印尼也是东南亚最大的国家，是世界上穆斯林信徒最多的国家，而且印尼政治经济稳定
Indonesia’s population is more than 260 million.
印尼人口超过了2.6亿
During the Marcos time Philippines was the Tiger in Asia but after the Marcos years Philippines became the cat of Asia
在马科斯时代，菲律宾是亚洲之虎，但在马科斯时代之后，菲律宾成为了亚洲的病猫
The Philippines has the least military infrastracture relative to singapore, indonesia, malaysia, vietnam and thailand but it is a middle power due to its military treaty with the US, which is to date the lone superpower of the world. That basically means that if a country bombed and invaded the Philippines, it will automatically be considered as an agression towarss the US. This is the reason why the philippines never bothered to upgrade their military all these decades. Though lately the philippines is starting to upgrade their military artillery as it is now trying to veer away from the US.
和新加坡，印尼，马来西亚，越南泰国相比，菲律宾的军事基础设施最少，但菲律宾是一个中等强国，因为菲律宾和美国签署了军事条约，而美国目前是世界上唯一的超级大国。这基本上就意味着如果轰炸入侵菲律宾就等于是在轰炸入侵美国。这就是为什么菲律宾这几十年来一直不费心升级自己的军事力量的原因。但近来菲律宾正在开始升级自己的火炮，因为它正在试图远离美国。
Having traditionally allied with the United States and The West, with deep ties and also being a former US colony, the Philippines is by far the most powerful country in Southeast Asia.
菲律宾传统上和美国及西方结盟，与他们有着深厚的联系，而且菲律宾是美国前殖民地，到目前为止菲律宾是东南亚最强大的国家。
Other country have military and defense pacts with USA but still they have great military defenses system unlike Philippines.
其他国家和美国之间同样也签署了军事国防协议，但和菲律宾不同的是，他们依然有着强大的军事国防系统。
Having mass population and vast land didn't make you a powerful country .yes indonesia has the strongest economy so far but its because of their 250 million people that contribute to that…they're the strongest army…having 250million surely help but if we look at their weapon and technology its kind of sad actually…
拥有庞大的人口和辽阔的领土并不能让你成为一个强大的国家。的确，到目前为止印尼有着东南亚最强的经济实力和最强的军事力量，但这些都是因为他们有着2.5亿人口，但看看他们的武器和技术，真的非常的悲哀。
The Philippines is the most powerful in military capabilities and experience in combat. It can invade any nation in it’s region with no problem.
菲律宾是军事能力最强，作战经验最丰富的国家。它可以毫无问题的入侵自己所在地区的任何国家
Indonesia
最强的是印尼
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philippines is still a strong military , but the problem is lack of equipments
菲律宾依然有一支强大的军队，但问题在于他们缺乏装备、
Philippines now is strong and the economy now fighting with other players in Asia
现在的菲律宾实力强大，他们的经济正在和亚洲其他国家进行竞争
I way too strongly disagree with indonesia as influential players since indonesia’s military strength are severely weak compared to any nation. even weaker than one division of japan’s regular JSDF or 1 brigade of chinese’s pla comparison to the whole indonesia’s military strength. Thailand also same
我认为印尼不是一个有影响力的国家，因为和任何一个国家相比，印尼的军事实力都很弱。整个印尼的军事实力还不如日本自卫队的一个师或中国解放军的一个旅。泰国的军事实力同样也很弱
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Your ranking is baseless. You dont have enough data for this.
你的排名是毫无根据的，你没有足够多的数据
Works at Soochow University, Suzhou (苏州大学)2y
Although Vietnam's economic per capita lags behind Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, its economic growth rate is very fast. Vietnam is the second largest military power in the world, with millions of highly educated elites.
It can be said that Vietnam will and will certainly be the most challenging factor in the South China Sea. The reason is that China ’s increased labor costs have resulted in the transfer of industries to Southeast Asia, and Southeast Asia can best grasp this opportunity, currently only Vietnam.
The Vietnamese who have been influenced by Confucianism are also more diligent and smarter than other Southeast Asians.
越南是东南亚最强大的国家。他们不仅打败了数百万的日本军队，法国军队和美国军队，而且还给中国军队造成了巨大的麻烦。
虽然就人均来看越南的经济落后于马来西亚，印尼和菲律宾，但越南经济发展速度非常快。越南是世界第二大军事强国，有着数百万受过高等教育的精英。
可以说越南将是而且必将是南海最具挑战性的因素。原因在于中国劳动力成本上升导致产业转移到了东南亚，而东南亚目前最能把握住这个机遇的只有越南。
受儒家思想影响，越南人也比其他东南亚人更加聪明勤奋。
“Vietnam is the second largest military power in the world”. Not true by any means of “largest”. Not in manpower, not in hardware, not in global power projection, not in military technology, not in the Navy or the Air Force or in numbers of nuclear weapons. Vietnam hardly ranks in the top 20 militaries in the world, let alone the second place. Vietnam doesn’t have the population, the infrastructure or the economic base to that position. Honestly I’d like to know where you got that rank.
“越南是世界第二大军事强国“。无论怎么看，越南都不是世界第二大军事强国。不管是看军队人数，还是看军事硬件，全球力量投射，军事技术，海空军或核武器数量，越南都不能算是全球第二大军事强国。越南几乎连世界前20都排不进去，更别说世界第二了。越南没有成为世界第二军事强国的人口规模，基础设施或经济基础。老实说我都不知道你的这个排名是从哪里来的。
Probably because they beat usa out of their ass that's why author refer them as 2nd
或许是因为他们把美国打的屁滚尿流，所以作者才会认为他们是第二军事强国
By this logic, Vietnam should be the number 1
按照这个逻辑，越南应该是世界第一才对
I think Singapore is the strongest country in SEA.
我认为新加坡是东南亚最强的国家
Singapore is already the most powerful economy in Southeast Asia, but after all, it mainly depends on the financial industry and entrepot trade.
新加坡已经是东南亚最强的经济体了，但毕竟主要依靠的是金融业和转口贸易。
I would like to correct something here. Vietnam is the second most powerful military country in South East Asia not in the world -second to Indonesia.
我想在这里纠正一下，越南是东南亚第二军事强国，而不是世界第二大军事强国，越南的军事实力仅次于印尼
I’m Vietnamese and I think it must be Indonesia because of their economic and military strength.
我是越南人，我认为最强的肯定是印尼，因为他们的经济和军事实力都很强。
Vietnam lost EVERY major battle it had with the US in the vietnam war. We only lost due to internal pressures. Technically they did beat us though;]
在越南战争中，越南输掉了每一场和美国之间的主要战役，我们之所以会输，只是因为国内压力太大导致的。但从技术上来说，他们确实打败了我们。