网友讨论：陷入中等收入陷阱的马来西亚
The Economy of Malaysia: Middle Income Trapped?
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网友：如果没有本土高科技或创新品牌，以制造业为基础的中等收入经济体是很难成为高收入国家的。台湾地区有华硕，宏基，台积电和富士康，韩国有三星，LG，现代和起亚等品牌，甚至中国也成功建立了自己的全球化品牌，如华为，吉利，小米，OPPO等。但东南亚的中等收入经济体依然没有任何一家企业可以达到全球水准。
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It's hard for a middle income economy based on manufacturing to become a high income without home-grown technology or innovation brand. Taiwan has got Asus, Acer, TSMC, Foxconn and Korea has got Samsung, LG, Hyundai, Kia etc. Even China has managed to build their own global brands like Huawei, Geely, Xiaomi, Oppo etc. However, the middle income economies in Southeast Asia still does not have any of these companies that has made it to global level.
如果没有本土高科技或创新品牌，以制造业为基础的中等收入经济体是很难成为高收入国家的。台湾地区有华硕，宏基，台积电和富士康，韩国有三星，LG，现代和起亚等品牌，甚至中国也成功建立了自己的全球化品牌，如华为，吉利，小米，OPPO等。但东南亚的中等收入经济体依然没有任何一家企业可以达到全球水准。
The thing is, to build a global brand is so much harder when the competition is stiff. The market already saturated with those global brand that you mention, so to gain ground is difficult. China can leverage their super large market & cheap labor to make Xiaomi and Huawei famous. Back then this two brand was only sold in China. But they still makes tons of profit domestically. Malaysia only have 30 million people.
Lets say i want to establish a smartphone company in Malaysia, a no name startup. How can i sold my phone in Malaysia when the market already full of famous global brands?
问题在于，在竞争激烈的情况下，要打造一个全球化品牌要比过去困难的多。市场已经饱和，到处都是你提到的这些全球化的品牌，所以后来者很难发展壮大。中国可以利用自己超级庞大的市场和廉价劳动力让华为和小米打出名气。之前这两个品牌只在中国国内出售。但尽管如此他们依然赚取到了巨大的利润。但是马来西亚只有3000万人口。
假设我想要在马来西亚建立一家智能手机企业，在一个充满知名的全球化品牌的市场上，一家没有任何名气的初创企业要如何将手机在马来西亚卖出去。
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On the other hand, some countries with global brands are in stagnation. Consider Italy with its globally recognized fashion and automotive brands, synonym of luxurious, high quality products.
另一方面，一些拥有全球化品牌的国家却陷入了停滞。比如意大利，它拥有全球公认的时尚和汽车品牌，是奢华高端产品的代名词
Most skilled malaysian run off to other country for the pay. The other skilled that stayed behind become lazy as the pay is much much less. Goverment should push big companies in malaysia to pay more to workers.
大部分有技术的马来西亚人为了薪资待遇都跑到了其他国家。剩下没有走的技术人才因为薪资待遇很低而变得非常懒惰。政府应该推动马来西亚大企业提高薪资待遇
Semiconductor industry are hard for catching up player, since it needs a lot of capital, human resources,and long term development. The emerging markets like electric cars and IOT are better option for
半导体行业不是一朝一夕就可以发展起来的，它需要有大量的资本和人力资源的投入，因此很难赶超。像电动汽车和物联网等新兴市场是更好的选择。
Malaysia is in the middle income trap because it cannot innovate. All the best students are Chinese and Indian and they have to deal with the corrupt Malay politicians.
Singapore have 2 universities in the global 100 while Malaysia’s best is after 300
马来西亚之所以会陷入中低收入陷阱是因为它没有创新能力。马来西亚最好的学生是华人和印度人，但他们不得不和腐败的马来西亚政客打交道。
新加坡有两所世界百强名校，但马来西亚最好的学校也只排在了300名之后。
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They tried...and failed miserably.
他们尝试过了，但遇到了惨痛的失败
Since the threshold set by the World Bank for a high-income nation is so low (12,535 USD), Malaysia will certainly be a high-income nation someday.
However, it will NEVER be an advanced economy. The GDP per capita has to be at least 30,000 USD to be considered as an advanced economy.
世界银行设立的高收入国家门槛非常的低（12535美元），所以马来西亚有朝一日肯定可以成为高收入国家。但马来西亚永远无法成为先进经济体。要想成为先进经济体人均GDP必须至少达到3万美元
We had soooo much potentials. Rich lands, diversed people, beautiful landscapes but all of these have not been fully realised due to our political instability.
我们拥有非常巨大的潜力。肥沃的土地，多样化的人民，美丽的风景，但由于政治不稳定，所有潜力都无法得到充分的发挥
Diversity is one of our biggest weaknesses.
多样化是我们最大的缺陷之一
@IlluminatiComfirmed 69 well if it was then explain Singapore? Diversity is our strongest point. One country that has both Chinese and Indians which can expand bussinesses to these huge markets. We speak really good English compared to our close neighbours. Diversity is our strong suit but has been exploited for political gain.
如果多样化是国家的缺点，那么为什么新加坡那么发达？多样性是我们最大的一个优势。我们国家拥有华裔和印度裔，可以凭借这个优势，将业务扩展到中国和印度这两个庞大的市场上去。和我们的近邻相比我们的英语说的很好。多样性是我们的一个优势，但却被人用来谋取政治利益。
But if u go Poland and Greece. Even a high income countries they have more corruption than us
但如果你到波兰和希腊去的话，就会发现虽然他们都是高收入国家，但他们比我们要更加腐败
And also the fact that our graduates are leaving the country in pursuit of a better income, which leaves us with no innovation...
还有一个原因就是我们的毕业生为了追求更高的收入离开了马来西亚，这让我们失去了创新能力
Actually it's simple, old politician should retire and give space to younger generation in the government
其实很简单，老政客应该退休，给政府中的年轻一代挪位子。
That's actually the case for every countries in the world. Looking at my country which is Thailand, all the ruling class are old men rarely any women and are all are highly conservative .
实际上世界上每个国家都这样，看看我们国家泰国，统治阶级都是老男人，很少有女人，所有人都非常的保守
Same in Philippines
菲律宾也是一样
i think malaysian lack tecnology and innovative to be high income country..our population less than our neigbour country like vietnam indonesia and thailand..we need high tecnology to incerease our productivity.
我认为马来西亚缺乏成为高收入国家所需要的技术和创新力。我们的人口没有邻国越南印尼和泰国那么多，我们需要高科技来提高生产力
usa president is getting older lol.
美国总统更老，哈哈
Same for US
美国也是一样
i truly hope malaysia can become upper-income developed country. after all asean prosperity is necessary to counter major forces of the world.
- support from Indonesia
我真心希望马来西亚可以成为高收入的发达国家，毕竟东盟只有繁荣起来才能对抗世界主要大国。来自印尼的支持
@Jao Bai Dun EU, US & China. let's not make this region their playground.
我们不能让东南亚成为欧盟美国和中国的游乐园
Malaysis is already in upper middle income country. Malaysia is working toward a high income developed country
马来西亚已经是中高收入国家了，现在正朝着高收入发达经济体迈进
The economy of Vietnam and Indonesia is very potential
越南和印尼的经济潜力非常大
Malaysia need to improve their education so that it can drive innovation. If Southeast Asian want to became developed countries, they must build their own manufacturing companies.
马来西亚需要改善教育，这样他们才能推动创新。如果东南亚国家想要成为发达经济体，那么他们就必须建立自己的制造业企业
Current education system is just pushing bright minds to Singapore and other western and euro countries. Hope that the education revolution happens quick
在现在的教育制度下，聪明人都纷纷跑到了新加坡和西方欧洲国家那里去了。希望教育改革可以快点到来。
Indonesia have many manufacturing company but still developing country
印尼有很多的制造业企业，但依然是一个发展中国家
I personally think that Malaysians should independently consider and vote for political parties/leaders that can contribute in the following areas:
#1. Actively Combat Corruption
#2. Peaceful and Harmonious Society
#3. Safe Residential Community
#4. Fair Policy for all Races
#5. Focus on Economy
#6. Focus on Education
#7. Transparent Platform: e.g. Public tender for all government projects
Those who can achieve the above (not 100% of course), will get our vote.
我个人认为马来西亚人应该考虑投票给那些可以在以下领域做出贡献的政党和领导人
1积极打击腐败
2创建和谐社会
3创建安全的住宅社区
4实行公平的种族政策
5专注发展积极
6专注发展教育
7平台透明，比如所有政府要公开招标
能做到以上这些的人将可以获得我们的选票（当然不是百分百都做到）
Malaysian here. Honestly, because we're not a financial center like HK/Singapore, we need to have our own "Asus/Foxconn/Samsung/Hyundai".
We're quite good but just not good enough.
我是马来西亚人，老实说，因为我们不是像香港和新加坡这样的金融中心，所以我们需要有自己的华硕，富士康，三星和现代等企业
我们发展的很好，但还不够好
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Singapore was a great loss for Malaysia. Maybe at the time Malaysian leaders thought that Singapore might be a burden. Now Singapore is one of the wealthiest countries in the world.
对马来西亚来说，新加坡的独立是一个巨大的损失。或许当时马来西亚领导人认为新加坡就是一个负担，但现在新加坡成为了世界上最富裕的国家之一
@Aravind Kartha singapore would not be as rich as it is if it was in Malaysia tho. There’s also the fact that malaysian leaders knew that singapore could be a valuable asset(trade port between east and west), but malaysian leaders still throw them out of the federation.
Malaysia runs on the Malay First doctrine, prioritising malays in all manners. Singaporeans, who have a egalitarian view on race, mostly disagreed with that doctrine.
Malaysian leaders fear that if singapore is to stay in the federation, then they would cause political and cultural instability and thus be a liability more than asset
如果新加坡呆在马来西亚或许就不会像现在这样富裕了。事实上马来西亚领导人知道新加坡或许会成为一个宝贵的资产（东西方之间的贸易港口），但马来西亚领导人依然将他们踢出了联邦。
马来西亚实行马来人优先原则，在各个方面优先考虑马来人的利益。而新加坡人大部分反对马来人优先原则，提倡种族间人人平等的理念。马来西亚领导人担心如果新加坡继续留在联邦之中，就会造成政治和文化上的不稳定，到时候新加坡就会成为马来西亚的负担而不是资产了
It’s hard for Malaysia to attract foreign investors like what Hong Kong or Singapore did, or even Vietnam Indonesia and Thailand did. The government of Malaysia is very very unstable for past few years, policies change at moments and corruption high. Need to settle all these before we attract investors
马来西亚很难像香港或新加坡那样吸引外资，或者在这个方面甚至连印尼越南泰国都不如。在过去几年马来西亚政府非常的不稳定，政策朝令夕改，而且腐败严重。在我们吸引投资者之前需要先解决这些问题
Malaysia have all potential to become global power house.
Culture and politic are the hurdle for that.
马来西亚完全具备成为世界强国的潜力
但马来西亚的政治文化阻碍了潜力的发挥
Can’t agree more
非常同意
malaysia is too small to be a global powerhouse. that's why singapore with high gdp not even close to exert global powerhouse because its tiny size. hell even south korea not a superpower country
马来西亚太小了，无法成为世界强国，新加坡GDP那么高但依然远不是世界强国，因为他们实在太小了，甚至韩国也不是一个超级大国
@10K LIKE ANONIM BALIK WXC a small country doesn't mean It can't be a powerhouse. look at japan and they slightly just bigger than us yet very rich and powerful at the same time. singapore is smaller than malaysia yet still very rich and powerful.
小国并不意味着不能成为强国，看看日本，他们只比我们大一点，但非常的富裕强大。新加坡比马来西亚更小，但依然非常的富裕强大。
cannot be a global powerhouse if your population stays at 30million, Indonesia has much huge potential it can be 4th largest in future before 2030.
如果你的人口只有3000万，那么是不可能成为世界强国的，印尼拥有巨大的潜力，在2030年之前印尼可能会成为世界第四大国
'global power house' haahahahahahah
Even us Indonesia doesnt dare to say that claim even with the highest population and GDP.
So yeah, keep dreaming boy.
“世界强国”，哈哈
印尼有着东南亚最多的人口和最高的GDP，但即便如此，我们印尼也不敢说出这样的大话
孩子，继续做梦去吧