网友讨论：西方人如何看待中国人民？

Matthew Miller, American living and working in China.（在中国生活工作的美国人）
对于我来说，我是一个美国人，自1980年代以来一直在中国访问、生活和工作。我个人很喜欢中国。我认为这个国家、风景、文化、食物和人都很棒。我会读、写和说普通话。我是中国最狂热的粉丝。在中国生活时，我曾经得了严重的肺部感染，几乎快死了。后来北京的一家公立医院救了我的命，而花费的钱只是在美国的一小部分。所以我真的很爱中国。我知道中国和任何国家一样存在问题，但我个人对中国的看法非常积极。

As for me, I am an American who has visited, lived, and worked in China since the 1980s. I personally love China. I think the country, landscape, culture, food, and people are great. I can read, write, and speak Mandarin. I am China’s biggest fan. While in China, I got a severe lung infection. I was dying. A Beijing public hospital saved my life, and it cost a small fraction of what it would have cost in the US. So I really love China. I know that China has problems, like any country, but I personally have a very positive view of China.

Greg Blandino, works at Beijing, China（在中国北京工作）
中国人也是人。你们有傻瓜和学者，受欢迎的家伙和书呆子，说话速度快的人和沉默不语的人，正派的人和卑鄙的人，懒惰的人和工作狂，抱怨的人和坚忍的人。他们似乎与世界各地的任何其他人都没有特别的不同。归根结底，我们都有相同的需求和愿望、弱点和优势。
不过，他们使用小棍子而不是刀叉来吃饭。真是疯狂。

Chinese people are just people. You have fools and scholars, popular guys and nerds, fast talkers and shoe gazers, decent folk and scumbags, sluggards and workaholics, complainers and stoics. They don’t seem to be particularly different from any other people all over the world. At the end of the day we all have the same needs and wants, foibles and strengths.
Also, they use tiny little sticks to eat instead of knives and forks. Crazy.
Marco Trupiano, lives in China (2018-present)
All kinds of things. For reference, I’ll point out the most common stereotypes of the country I come from, and discuss them afterwards.
1.Chinese are hard-workers and cannot relax
2.Chinese are cold and socially introverts.
3.Chinese are atheists.
4.Chinese are communists.
5.Chinese eat everything.
6.Chinese are either dirt poor or super rich
7.Chinese have no worker rights.
8.Chinese have no human rights.
9.Chinese can live well under a dictatorship because they are disciplined.
10.Chinese are good at scientific subjects, but not in creative subjects

各种各样的事情。作为参考，我将指出我所来自的国家（意大利）对中国最常见的刻板印象，然后再讨论它们是否如此。
1、中国人很努力，不会放松。
2、中国人冷酷，社交内向。
3、中国人是无神论者。
4、中国人是共产主义者。
5、中国人什么都吃。
6、中国人要么非常贫穷，要么超级富有
7、中国人没有工人Q利。
8、中国人没有X泉。
9、中国人可以在ducai统治下过得很好，因为他们服从纪律。
10、中国人擅长科学学科，但不擅长创造性学科

Now, how to say……every stereotype represents just a partial fact (or lie), giantized. I do not agree with any of them.
1.There are hardworking Chinese as well as lazy Chinese. It is true that their culture considers hard-work as an important value. But it is not something that prevents them from enjoying a holiday or some break. Perhaps it is the opposite. Chinese can sure party hard!
2.This also dismantles the idea of all Chinese being introverts. It is quite the opposite, but many of their affection displays are not understood by a foreigner. That’s because a Chinese will prefer to bring you some fresh fruit and ask you to take care of yourself more than giving you a hug.
3.Furthermore, Chinese are among the most religious people you can find. Superstition, especially based on words bringing good or bad luck, is present, as well as animist practices. These are very interesting, for me more than more organized religions such as Buddhism or islam, and influence practically everybody’s own life.
4.Not all Chinese are communists. Heck, not all communist party members may be fervent communists, either. China is a socialist state, after all. The political views within the government differ, as Chinese government believes that only through confrontation of different perspectives it is possible to progress. But, of course, all of them understand what communism, socialism and class struggle are.

怎么说呢……每个刻板印象都只代表一部分事实（或谎言），然后被夸大了。我不同意它们中的任何一个。
1、有勤劳的中国人，也有懒惰的中国人。诚然，他们的文化将努力工作视为重要价值。但这并不能阻止他们享受假期或休息。也许恰恰相反。中国人也会开派对玩得很疯！
2、这也打破了所有中国人都是内向的想法。情况恰恰相反，但他们的许多感情表现并不为外国人所理解。那是因为中国人更愿意给你带些新鲜水果，并对你说照顾好自己，而不是给你一个拥抱。
3、此外，中国人是你能找到的最虔诚的人之一。存在迷信，尤其是基于带来好运或坏运的词语，以及万物有灵论的做法。这些对我来说非常有趣，这比佛教或伊斯兰教等更有组织的宗教更重要，并且几乎影响了每个人的生活。
4、不是所有的中国人都是共产主义者。哎呀，也不是所有共产党员都是狂热的共产党员。中国毕竟是社会主义国家。政府内部的政治观点不同，中国政府认为只有通过不同观点对抗才能取得进步。但是，当然，他们都明白什么是共产主义、社会主义和阶级斗争。
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5.Chinese food culture is very wide, but it is far from just eating every living being on Earth. Chinese themselves joke about it, but at the same time many feel ashamed when foreigners say that all Chinese eat dog meat. It is literally happening in one area of China and became one of the biggest stereotypes against the entire country. There are different cuisines in China and while some use particular animals, including insects, the vast majority is much more similar to Western cuisine by ingredients (the way they are cooked, though, is very different).
6.It is true that many Chinese who travel to the West are rich or well-off and that many of those who open a business in the West are much poorer. Most of the rest, though, prefer to use the holiday to go back home to visit the parents, since they often live very far from each other due to internal migration. Family is extremely important in Chinese society and there is literally a mass migration every long holiday from the cities to the countryside.
7.Chinese worker rights are pretty much great, especially for a developing country. To be honest I did not see differences between my contract under an Italian company and the one under a Chinese company.
While it is true that some businessmen abuse their workers’ own rights, once they get caught they are going to face harsh punishment.

5、中国的饮食文化非常广泛，但远非什么吃地球上所有的生物。中国人自己也拿它开玩笑，但同时有很多人在听到外国人说中国人都吃狗肉时会感到羞耻。吃狗肉确实发生在中国的一个地区，并成为对整个国家最大的刻板印象之一。中国有不同的美食，虽然有些使用特定的动物，包括昆虫，但绝大多数在成分上与西方美食更相似（尽管它们的烹饪方式非常不同）。
6、的确，许多到西方旅游的中国人是富有的，而许多在西方做小生意的中国人却穷得多。然而，其余的大多数中国人更喜欢利用假期回家探望父母，因为他们经常因为工作学习等而住得很远。家庭在中国社会中极为重要，每逢长假，都会有大量人口从城市迁徙到农村。
7、中国工人的权利非常好，尤其是对于一个发展中国家来说。老实说，我没有看到我在一家意大利公司和一家中国公司签订的合同之间存在差异。
虽然有些商人确实滥用了工人的权利，但一旦被抓到，他们将面临严厉的惩罚。

8.Human rights - that’s a tough nut to break for many.
In the West we are used to think Chinese are practically slaves of the system. But that’s very far from reality. Actually it’s more like the opposite. The system needs to work well, otherwise Chinese won’t let it exist. Every single government in China was changed because of people’s own opinion, and not because of foreign pressure or invasions, with only one exception for the Yuan dynasty.
9.“Chinese can do well under a dictatorship because they are disciplined” is the most funny thing you can tell somebody who actually has been to China. In many big cities the traffic police is ignored (especially by bicycle drivers) in a so blatant way that I truly feel sorry for them. One thing that Chinese government had to figure out to let people follow the rules is to point out the consequences of wrong behavior. For example, “Get in a fight, and whether you win or lose, you’ll still end up in the hospital”. These communication methods show clearly about how “disciplined” Chinese are. I also specify that only in some cultures it is enough to say “Don’t do this” to convince people. In Italy we have the same problem, so I can relate :)
10.It’s a plain stereotype that there are no Chinese artists. Their music business is thriving. They have their own cartoons besides foreign ones. They produced marvelous pieces of art in the entire history of China and still do. Perhaps it should be reformulated as “There are not many Chinese artists recognized at an international level”, but that is a completely different story.

8、人权——对许多人来说，这是一个难以破解的难题。
在西方，我们习惯于认为中国人实际上是体制的奴隶。但这与现实相去甚远。事实上，它更像是相反的。中国的体制是运行良好的，否则中国人不会让它存在。中国每一个政府的更迭都是来自于人们自己的意见，而不是因为外国的压力或入侵，只有元朝例外。（注：此处自行判断）
9、“中国人在ducai统治下可以做得很好，因为他们服从纪律”对于那些真正去过中国的人来说，这是最有趣的话了。在许多大城市，交警被如此公然地忽视（尤其是骑自行车的人），我真的为他们感到难过。为了让人们遵守规则，中国政府不得不设法让民众明白错误行为的后果。例如：“打架，不论输赢都会进医院”。这些沟通方式清楚地表明了中国人是多么“服从纪律”（注：反话）。我还指出，只有在某些文化中，说“不要这样做”就能够说服人们。我们意大利也有同样的（散漫的）问题。
10、中国没有艺术家是一个明白无疑的刻板印象。他们的音乐事业蒸蒸日上。除了国外的漫画，他们也创作自己的漫画。他们在中国的整个历史上创作了许多令人惊叹的艺术作品，而且现在仍然在创作着。或许这句话应该重新表述为“在国际上得到认可的中国艺术家并不多”，但这就是完全不同的故事了。

Ryan Giordano, Software Engineer at Quora (2019-present)
It depends on how much exposure they've had to China and Chinese people.
For myself, I find that most of the Chinese people I meet are very intelligent, curious, earnest in their studies and life pursuits, and eager to ask question and teach others about their culture.
I also find they do NOT suffer fools lightly, and are not given to blind trust and obsequious over-politeness. I made this observation after living in Japan, where the inverse is generally true, and then going to China. Huge culture shock.
I find they are very straightforward, very honest, they do not mince words, and they will tell you their opinion. I personally find this refreshing and value this quality in my friendships, but not all people do.
But what does the average westerner think?
When I told my friends I wanted to live in China with my wife, they strongly obxted. Their reason?
"But they're communists!"
So yeah, it is really just a matter of exposure, and as it stands, the only exposure most white bread suburban Americans get from China can fit on the slip of paper inside of a fortune cookie.

这取决于他们对中国和中国人的了解程度。
就我自己而言，我发现我遇到的大多数中国人都非常聪明、好奇、认真地学习和追求生活的目标，并且渴望向他人提问和传播他们的文化。
我还发现他们不会轻易忍受傻瓜，也不会盲目信任和谄媚地过分礼貌。我在日本生活后得出了这个观察结果，那里的情况通常是相反的，然后我去中国就遭受了巨大的文化冲击。
我发现中国人非常直率，非常诚实，他们不会拐弯抹角，他们会告诉你他们的意见。我个人觉得这令人耳目一新，我在自己的友谊中重视这种品质，但并非所有人都如此。
但是一般的西方人是怎么想的呢？
当我告诉我的朋友我想和妻子一起住在中国时，他们强烈反对。他们的理由？
“但他们是共产主义者！”
所以，是的，这实际上只是一个了解多少的问题，就目前而言，大多数美国郊区白人对中国唯一的了解可能来自于放在幸运饼干里的纸条。
附录问题：Do Chinese people think Westerners are naive?中国人觉得西方人幼稚吗？
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Alexander Finnegan, J.D. Law, Marxist-Leninist
I am not Chinese. But here is my impression:
Chinese people become frustrated when Westerners come to Whitesplain to them about the values of Western style liberal democracy, considering the fact that China is a 5000 year old rich culture. My impression is that they see some members of the media, people like Trump, and others who believe that Western culture is “superior” to Eastern culture are indeed naive. The reason is because if they understood the good things about Chinese culture they wouldn’t so readily try to change Chinese culture. This gives some Westerners a kind of tone deafness that makes dialogue difficult. Because you have to come at someone with a certain level of openness to make meaningful dialogue.
Some Westerners are also naive to believe that they can attack another country and force Western style democracy on the people and they will appreciate it. This was tried in Iraq and it was a disaster. Neoconservatives are naive. They lack an appreciation for the nuances and complexities of other cultures and people. It also displays a level of moral self-righteousness and paternalism.

我不是中国人。但这是我的印象：
考虑到中国拥有着5000年悠久历史的丰富文化，当西方人向他们讲述西式自由民主的价值观时，中国人会感到沮丧。我的印象是，当他们看到一些西方媒体记者，像特朗普这样的人，以及其他认为西方文化优于东方文化的人时，确实觉得他们很幼稚。原因是如果这些人了解中国文化的好处，他们就不会那么轻易地试图改变中国文化。这使一些西方人变得言语无味，使对话变得困难。因为你必须具备一定程度的开放性来与人沟通，才能得到有意义的对话。
一些西方人还天真地认为他们可以攻击另一个国家并将西式民主强加给民众，而这些民众会感激他们。他们在伊拉克尝试过，最终变成一场灾难。新保守主义者很天真。他们对其他文化和民众的细微差别和复杂性缺乏理解。他们还表现出一定程度的道德上的自以为是和家长式作风。