网友讨论：爱尔兰的经济发展
How Ireland Became 2020''s Fastest Growing Economy
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网友：作为一个拥有经济学硕士学位的爱尔兰人，让我说说我自己的看法爱尔兰确实是一个富裕的国家，而且比30年前富裕的多。但是爱尔兰的GDP至少被人为夸大了20%。但即便我们砍掉爱尔兰20%的GDP，爱尔兰依然是世界上最富裕的国家之一.......
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As an Irish person with a Masters degree in Economics, let me have my opinions:
1 Ireland is indeed a rich country, and far, far better off than it was 30 years ago. But GDP does flatter this artificially by at least 20%. However even if we take 20% off Irish GDP, Ireland would still be around the Top 10 richest countries in the World. Minimum and median wages are at the upper end among developed economies, although costs are high especially in Dublin.
作为一个拥有经济学硕士学位的爱尔兰人，让我说说我自己的看法
爱尔兰确实是一个富裕的国家，而且比30年前富裕的多。但是爱尔兰的GDP至少被人为夸大了20%。但即便我们砍掉爱尔兰20%的GDP，爱尔兰依然是世界上最富裕的国家之一。虽然生活成本很高，尤其是在都柏林，但爱尔兰的最低工资和中位数工资收入即便是在发达国家里面也是名列前茅的。
这里重要的是要区分收入和财富。财富实际上是超额收入的长期积累。因为爱尔兰只是在最近一代人的时间里才富裕起来的国家，所以和瑞士瑞典这样历史悠久的富国相比，爱尔兰积累继承的财富较少。但爱尔兰正在快速的迎头赶上。
In conclusion, the huge increase in Irish incomes over the last 30 years has been remarkable, and a large wave of wealth will follow that. I see bright future over the next 20 years.
爱尔兰企业创造了大量的GDP,比如制药业和高科技行业。所以爱尔兰的企业非常富裕。这会对普通人产生涓滴效应吗？我认为是的。这些制药公司在爱尔兰有很多的工厂，研发实验室和办事处。这些企业给的工资很高，而且还交了一大笔的企业所得税。所以这些企业的存在让我们的生活变得更好了。
总之，过去三十年爱尔兰人的收入迎来了令人瞩目的巨大增长，随之而来的将是一波巨大的财富浪潮。我看到了未来20年的光明前景。
The cost of living in Dublin is far too high for the average earner specially when it comes to housing.
都柏林的生活成本对于普通收入的人来说太高了，尤其是住房方面
If you lived in rural Ireland you wouldn’t see a very bright future ahead
如果你生活在爱尔兰农村地区，那么你是看不到非常光明的未来的
What would happen if the EU mandated Ireland to increase their Corporation Tax rate? I suspect the Corporations would take flight and resettle in a lower tax country. Hopefully the UK will drop its Corporation Tax to Ireland’s current level. Ireland’s GDP would fall dramatically
如果欧盟要求爱尔兰提高企业税的税率，那么会发生什么？我想这些企业会逃离爱尔兰，然后前往税率更低的国家。希望英国可以将企业税降到爱尔兰目前的水平。如果是这样的话，爱尔兰的GDP将大幅缩水。
@michaeli160954 no matter what happens jobs still aren’t coming near rural Ireland and important services are being lost all the time and won’t be coming back
不管发生了什么，爱尔兰农村地区都不会迎来就业机会，重要的服务一直在流失，不会再回来了
@Aaron Quigley according to Revenue statistics about 40% of all our corporation tax take is paid by just 10 companies - presumably multinationals. That is seen as a risk factor because if even one of them left it would have a huge impact on us. As it is Novartis is reducing its operation in Ringaskiddy. I don't know if it was one of the 10.
根据税收数据统计，仅十家企业上缴的税款就占了我们国家企业所得税的大约40%，这些企业或许都是跨国企业。这被视为是非常危险的一个因素，因为即便只有一家企业离开爱尔兰，也会给我们造成巨大的影响。事实上诺华（瑞士制药公司）正在减少自己在Ringaskiddy（是爱尔兰科克郡的一个村庄）的业务。我不知道诺华是不是就是那十家交税大户之一。
@Ed Conway I'm hoping the work from home revolution will help to reverse this trend!
我希望在家工作的革命将有助于扭转这一趋势
Do you think that Ireland is better of in the EU than out of it? And do you think that Schotland should also seek independence?
你认为爱尔兰呆在欧盟比脱离欧盟要更好吗？你认为苏格兰是否应该寻求独立？
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Honestly the cost of housing isn't even that expensive if you look around the country. Its just people being stubborn and only looking for houses in Dublin
老实说如果你环顾一下全国的话，就会发现房价其实没有那么高，只是人们太固执，一心只想买都柏林的房子
@Precision 21 Because Ireland is basically all Dublin, everything is there.
因为基本上爱尔兰就等同于都柏林，所有的一切都在那
Sadly my wallet doesn't agree with you.
遗憾的是，我的钱包不同意你的看法
But Irish Income has completely stagnated in the last 30 years compared to cost of living.
但和生活成本相比，爱尔兰过去三十年的收入完全就处于停滞状态。
I would disagree that the wealth just trickles down, it just trickles down to employees of those companies, shareholders and some others. If it did really trickle down there would be a better health service, better road infrastructure and lower VAT and such.
我不同意财富的涓滴效应，财富只是向下流入到了那些企业员工，股东和某些其他人手里而已。如果真的有涓滴效应的话，那么爱尔兰就应该会有更好的医疗服务，更好的道路基础设施和更低的增值税才对（涓滴效应是指在经济发展过程中并不给与贫困阶层、弱势群体或贫困地区特别的优待，而是由优先发展起来的群体或地区通过消费、就业等方面惠及贫困阶层或地区，带动其发展和富裕，这被称作是“涓滴效应”）
How become a rich country: become a tax paradise
如何成为一个富裕的国家：变成一个税收天堂
My wallet doesn't seem to know that we are one of the richest countries in the world
我的钱包似乎并不知道我们是世界上最富裕的国家之一
Many of the citizens are not wealthy and will never ever feel the benefit of the growing economy.
许多公民并不富裕，永远也不会感受到经济发展带来的好处
being in a rich country mostly means that everything around you is getting expensive.
在富裕国家生活意味着你周围一切的东西都变贵了
@Diarmaid O'Riordan I grew up in France and moved to Ireland in 2006 (I'm 24 now), lived in Madrid too and quality of life in Ireland is noticeably better
我在法国长大，在2006年的时候搬到了爱尔兰，现在我24岁，之前住在马德里，爱尔兰这里的生活质量明显要更好一些
Well almost everything in this country is affordable, we have good health care and you should be grateful that you don't live in america.
爱尔兰几乎所有的一切都是可负担得起的，我们有良好的医疗服务，你应该庆幸自己没有生活在美国
@Joseph Haha trust me I am VERY grateful to not be living in the US, but our healthcare has very long waiting times, our public transport is expensive and the HOUSING
相信我，我很庆幸自己没有生活在美国，但看病中间的等待时间过长，我们的公共交通费用过高，还有住房问题
UK is fifth-richest country in the world 50% of money is held by 1% of population. .. not fair - dutch quite rich but money is quite well shared out and norway too.. why no idea ..
英国是世界上最富裕的五个国家之一，但英国50%的财富掌握在1%的人手里。这是不公平的。荷兰很富裕，但财富分配的很好，挪威也是，不知道为什么会这样
If you're going to talk about Ireland's (basically Dublin's) economy, you have to mention the housing crisis -- Dublin has the most expensive housing in the eurozone.
If you've lived in Dublin you'll also know that the "research and development" jobs that tech companies bring often go to highly educated Americans or Europeans. Ireland's tiny population doesn't produce that many tech developers.
Finally, you mustn't overlook the fact that so much of Dublin's workforce is made up of Brazilians on student visas living and working in terrible conditions, while their meagre earnings are milked by compulsory English language courses.
如果你要讨论爱尔兰的经济（基本上就是都柏林），你必须要提到住房危机。都柏林的房价是欧元区最贵的
如果你生活在都柏林，你就会知道高科技企业提供的研发工作往往都流向了受过高等教育的美国人或欧洲人。爱尔兰人口很少，无法产生大量的科研人员。
最后还有一点不得不说，那就是都柏林的劳动力主要由持学生签证的巴西人组成的，这些人的工作生活环境非常恶劣，而且他们赚取到的那点微薄收入最后还要被强制性的英语语言课程榨的一干二净。
What about the brain drain though? Last time I heard students were going abroad because of a lack of opportunities? Maybe Ireland has a decent GDP but is it going towards anything productive and constructive?
那么人才流失问题呢？上一次我听说爱尔兰的学生由于缺乏机会而正打算出国？或许爱尔兰GDP数据不错，但爱尔兰会朝着富有成效的建设性方向发展吗？
There is a massive issue with housing prices in Dublin.
都柏林的房价是个大问题。
You either sell your life to a tech company or become homeless here.
要么你把自己的一生卖给高科技企业，要么在这里无家可归
Dublin is a two hour drive form Belfast. Yet, house prices are 450% higher in Dublin than Belfast.
都柏林距离贝尔法斯特只有两个小时的车程。但都柏林的房价却比贝尔法斯特高4.5倍
ireland 1980: $24B
ireland 2019: $398B
1980年爱尔兰GDP：240亿美元
2019年爱尔兰GDP：3980亿美元
Weird, I always thought Ireland was big in the automotive industry. After all, the Irish do have a ton of experience with car engines.
奇怪的是，我一直认为爱尔兰是汽车工业的重地。毕竟爱尔兰人在汽车引擎上有很丰富的经验