网友讨论：未来十年日本经济预测
How The Economy Of Japan Could Predict The Next Decade
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网友：果你想要了解日本的经济，那么你必须看看《日元王子》这部纪录片。这部纪录片完美解释了日本是如何快速发展并陷入停滞的。在油管上就可以看到这部纪录片
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If you want to understand Japan's economy then you must watch Princes of Yen. This documentary beautifully explains how Japan grew so quickly and then became stagnant. It's available on YouTube as well.
如果你想要了解日本的经济，那么你必须看看《日元王子》这部纪录片。这部纪录片完美解释了日本是如何快速发展并陷入停滞的。在油管上就可以看到这部纪录片
He’s wrong Japan has grown. Japan’s Real GDP PPP in 1990 was $4.06 Trillion and in 2019 it was $5.30 Trillion.
他错了，日本一直在增长，1990年按购买力平价计算，日本的GDP是4.06万亿美元，2019年日本的GDP是5.3万亿美元
@AmeriCA MEinyourmouth not when you take inflation into consideration
如果把通货膨胀考虑进去的话，日本根本就没有在发展
it became stagnant because ex-president Reagan force the yen to double becuase the USA auto could not compete. So everything imported from japan went up atleast by 50% so hurt Japane corporate profit.
日本陷入停滞是因为美国前总统里根迫使日元升值一倍，因为美国汽车无法和日本竞争。所以从日本进口的所有产品的价格至少上涨了50%。这损害了日本企业的利润。
thanks for your recommendation! As a Japanese, I have really wondered why economy get stuck for decades unlike other countries. I will watch this documentary and hope I can find out!
感谢你的推荐，作为一个日本人，我真的很好奇为什么日本经济停滞了几十年，而其他国家却没有这样。接下来我会去看这部纪录片，希望我可以找到这个答案。
I think the difference between comparing the fear of Japan's 1980s economy overtaking the US and the fear of China's economy taking over the US today is that even if China overtakes the US's economy, it would only imply the Chinese worker is 1/4 as productive as the average American, while in the 80s, if Japan overtook the US's economy, it would imply the Japanese are twice as productive as the average American
我认为对上世纪80年代日本经济超过美国的恐惧和现在中国经济超过美国的恐惧是不一样的，因为即便中国经济超过了美国，也只是意味着中国工人的人均生产力达到了美国的四分之一而已，而在80年代，如果日本经济超过了美国，则意味着日本的人均生产力是美国的两倍。
Japan's old-fashioned workplace culture is holding them back. Young people are encouraged to dedicate their lives to big corpos rather than engaging in startups.
日本过时的职场文化阻碍了他们的发展。年轻人被鼓励将自己的人生奉献给大公司，而不是被鼓励去创业。
Strangely enough Japan or at least Tokyo gets high scores on a world innovation index. I wonder what new stuff they actually put out given that ossified work culture.
奇怪的是，日本，至少东京，在世界创新指数上面得分很高，我很好奇，在这种僵化的工作文化下，他们到底推出了什么新的东西
I agree. I have friends who are Japanese Expats here in Philippines. We Filipinos admire them because of they are developed citizens and well known in their working ethics. Despite a lot of nationalities admire their culture they are a shame of having not a work life balance and easily get depressed. They may be developed advance country but their working culture is outdated already that needs a lot of changes. Japanese working culture is criticized for their heirarchy in corps and long hours of working that leads to depression and suicide of japanese workers.
我同意你的观点，我有一些朋友，他们是驻菲律宾的日本外籍人士，我们菲律宾人很钦佩他们，因为他们是发达国家的公民，并且以职业道德而著称。尽管有很多国家的人欣赏日本文化，但遗憾的是他们无法平衡好工作和生活的关系，容易患上抑郁症。他们或许是发达的先进国家，但他们的工作文化已经过时了，需要进行重大的改变。日本工作文化中的等级制度和过长的工作时间广受批评，这些因素导致员工抑郁和自杀。
I dont think its the workplace culture effecting the economy, overall I think its better than the US, its just Japan cant physically grow. 70-75% of its land is mountainous, virtually unusable. You cant build factories, buildings, homes, more food. In addition, for a volcanic island, it has poor mineral deposits and other natural resources. They dont have the resources and space to make growth, in fact, I am impressed it hasnt gotten backwards at all where other nations have. However, yikes, I dont like that type of overtime culture they have.
我认为日本的工作文化并没有影响经济的发展，我认为日本表现得比美国好，只是日本无法再增长了。日本有70%到75%得土地都是山区，根本就无法得到利用。你无法在这里建造工厂，建筑物，住宅，也不能在这些地方生产更多的粮食。而且对于一个火山频发得岛国来说，日本的矿产资源和其他自然资源贫乏。他们没有经济发展的资源和空间，事实上，他们没有像其他国家一样倒退，我就已经觉得很了不起了。但我并不喜欢日本的加班文化
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You have to work overtime to make up for the lack of people in the workforce.
日本必须靠加班来弥补劳动力上的不足
Thing is that in Japan, if you detract from the social norms, you will be considered a social outcast. This mindset is planted in japanese people starting from elementary schools. Therefore, if you ask for changes in work culture for the better in Japanese companies, you will instead be ostracised by your colleagues and managers.
问题是，在日本，如果你不遵守社会规范，你就会被视为是社会的弃儿。这种心态在日本人上小学的时候就已经生根发芽了。所以如果你要求日本企业改善工作文化，你就会受到同事和经理的排挤
reminds me of South Korea
这让我想起了韩国
Actually in the US this is quite normal. Japan and US are the top 2 countries when it comes to how much their citizens work.
实际上在美国加班是很正常的，日本和美国是世界上工作时长最长的两个国家
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Well, even western companies sometimes have overtime schedules.
即便是西方企业有时候也有加班的计划
As I've come to understand, the Japanese overtime culture is enforced by just about everyone. I've heard it's impolite to go home before your boss, and if bosses stay late, everyone else working under them is expected to do the same. And if you deviate from that, you're frowned upon by your co-workers, your family, friends....
The Diet (Japanese governing body) has been making legislation that forcefully shuts off office building lights to encourage people to go home. The people of Japan are quite aware of their over-work problem, it's just taking time to bend a culture that has been in place for centuries basically.
正如我所了解的那样，日本职场上的每一个人都在执行加班文化。我听说比老板先走是不礼貌的，而如果老板工作到很晚，那么在他们手底下工作的员工也要留到很晚才能回家。如果你遵守这条规则的话，你的同事，家人和朋友都会对你感到不满。日本国会一直在立法，强制要求关闭办公大楼里面的灯光，要求人们回家。日本人对过度加班问题非常清楚，但要改变存在了数个世纪的文化需要时间。
IIRC one of the reasons that's often brought up about the Yen's stability is just how massively the Japanese have invested everywhere else in the world, making their currency much less reliant on the performance of the Japanese economy itself.
我记得人们经常说日元保持稳定的原因之一是日本在海外进行了大量的投资，使得日本货币对本国经济的表现依赖程度大大降低。
If the workforce is shrinking, and national GDP is fairly constant, doesn't that mean you're still getting growth per worker?
如果劳动力在减少，而国家的GDP保持稳定，那么这不就等于是说人均依然在增长吗？
But the pay for the labors is stagnant at the same time.
但与此同时工人的工资却停滞不前
Even without continuous growth, Japan has remained among one the most developed countries in the world with the highest living standard.
即便没有了持续性的增长，日本依然是世界上最发达的国家之一，他们依然有着世界上最高的生活水平
The highest living standards belong to Scandinavian countries, Austria and Switzerland. Japan is not the first and never was.
Where did you take this information from? And why do you think that?
生活水平最高的是斯堪的纳维亚国家，如奥地利和瑞士，日本不是生活水平最高的国家，从来都不是。你的这些信息是从哪里来的，为什么会这样认为
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I'm Irish living in Japan for years now getting paid half of what i did back home. But the cost of living is WAY less here, i can actually save money! And i feel the economy is good even though it's not growing.
我是爱尔兰人，在日本已经生活多年，我在日本的薪水是家乡的一半，但日本的生活成本要更低，实际上我还剩下了钱。我觉得虽然日本经济没有增长，但还是不错的
People complain about wages in Japan but that's because they're trying to live a Western life in an Eastern country.
人们抱怨日本的工资，但这是因为他们想要在东方国家过上西方国家的生活。
i heard Japan is a very expensive place but you saying it is cheaper than Eire?
我听说日本的物价很高，但你却说日本的物价要比爱尔兰低？
@Unsung Heroes While in most other countries prices went up, in Japan prices have been quite stable, or even lower than 30 yrs ago sometimes.
虽然大部分国家的物价都在上涨，但日本的物价一直很平稳，或者甚至比30年前的物价还要低。
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Then work remotely for an Irish company while living in Japan.
可以住在日本，为爱尔兰公司远程工作
@Noneof Yourbusiness but most companies will not pay the same wage for remote workers.
但大部分企业不会为远程办公的人支付同样高的薪水
@hi im justin Western life in Eastern country? Life in Japan is pretty much the same in the US and Europe.
在东方国家过西方式的生活？日本的生活水平和美国欧洲差不多
@Unsung Heroes In the 80's, yes, very expensive. But, now, living cost in Europe and US is much more expensive
在上世纪80年代，日本的物价非常高，但现在欧洲和美国的物价要比日本高得多
Ireland is pretty expensive too. At least when it comes to food.
爱尔兰的物价也很高，至少食品方面是这样
I gotta say I am impressed with Japan. They're very limited by resources compared to other countries, which is why they wanted to expand in ww2. They've managed to create one of the most beautiful and prosperous countries in the world still.
我要说，我对日本的印象很深刻，与其他国家相比，他们的资源很有限，这就是为什么他们想要在二战期间进行扩张的原因。他们成功缔造了世界上最美丽最繁荣的国家。
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Having resources doesn’t make you rich. Your people and policies make you rich. Singapore has no resources other than its people but is one of the richest per capita in the world.
拥有资源并不能让你富有，真正可以让国家富裕起来的是人民和政策。新加坡除了人口之外没有任何资源，但新加坡是世界上人均最富裕的国家
Japan's GDP per capita has been growing since the 2000s and is still growing. Thats actually more than many advanced economies like in Europe.
自21世纪以来日本的人均GDP一直在增长，现在依然还在增长。日本的人均GDP实际上要比欧洲很多的发达经济体更高。
Japan per Capita still below Germany, France and UK
日本的人均GDP依然低于德国，法国和英国
@Widodo Akrom haha these European countries have also very high inflation. In simple words they are very expensive. So a difference of couple of thousand dollars doesn't make sense.
这些欧洲国家通货膨胀率很高，简而言之就是他们的物价很高，所以GDP相差几千美元并没有意义
If Japan is the future of developed economies I would expect Germany to follow next since they also have both an aging and shrinking population.
如果日本是发达经济体的未来，那么我预计德国将成为下一个日本，因为他们同样有老龄化和人口萎缩的问题。
Unregulated markets, especially Real Estate and stocks, can wreck a country's economy.
不受监管的市场，尤其是房地产市场和股市，可能会摧毁一个国家的经济。