为什么越南这么穷，越南人却这么聪明?
Why is Vietnam so poor while Vietnamese are so smart?
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网友：我是越南人，但我认为我们不聪明。以下是我认为我们不聪明的原因:1.当外国人告诉我们他们从越南买东西时，越南人总是说:“你被敲竹杠了，我可以用更便宜的价格买到它。”嗯. .我能说什么呢，他们正在贬低自己的产品，并制造出人们可以在越南尽可能少花钱的印象......
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Why is Vietnam so poor while Vietnamese are so smart?
为什么越南这么穷，越南人却这么聪明?
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1000 years of Chinese rule
over 50 years of french rule.
20 years fighting against america
20 years suffer from america’s embargo
1，中国统治了1000年
2，法国统治了50年
3，与美国作战20年
4，20年的贸易禁运
I’m Vietnamese but I don’t think we are smart. Here’s why I don’t think we are smart:
1.When foreigners tell us they bought something from Vietnam, Vietnamese always say “You got ripped off, I can get it for cheaper”.
Well.. what can I say, they are duing their own products and create impression that people can spend as least as possible in Vietnam. No wonder why Vietnamese tourism ministry keeps complaining that tourists spend lower in Vietnam than other countries ($8 billion vs Thailand’s $52 billion!!! And even countries with less tourists earned more than Vietnam, for example Indonesia at $15 bln!!!). This is unlike other people who are smarter than us, for example, the Thai, they really know how to get money from tourists well.
我是越南人，但我认为我们不聪明。以下是我认为我们不聪明的原因:
1.当外国人告诉我们他们从越南买东西时，越南人总是说:“你被敲竹杠了，我可以用更便宜的价格买到它。”
嗯. .我能说什么呢，他们正在贬低自己的产品，并制造出人们可以在越南尽可能少花钱的印象。
难怪越南旅游部一直抱怨游客在越南消费比其他国家低(80亿美元，泰国是520亿美元!!甚至游客较少的国家也比越南赚得多，比如印尼赚了150亿美元!!)。这和其他比我们聪明的人不一样，比如泰国人，他们真的知道如何从游客那里赚钱。
When I was in Thailand, all vendors sold at roughly the same price. No one played dirty and went half price on the others. Even taxi drivers were consistent in the way they ripped people off. Tourists had no choice but pay for an overpriced tuk tuk. More money for Thailand.
3.Vietnamese nationalism is really stupid. It is misplaced nationalism. Does Vietnamese nationalism help Vietnamese? No not really, Vietnamese still watch Chinese movies (while protesting Chinese technology and businesses which some are good for Vietnam), drive Japanese cars, wear American brands, listen to Korean music. Meanwhile Vietnamese nationalism goes crazy and create fake news, rioting and protesting, and spreading fake news and bad mouthing Vietnamese brands (!!). Then complain why Vietnamese brands can’t grow or produce good products (!!!). Same for music and movies, always haters, then complain why Vietnam can’t produce good music.
Say they hate China but are against everything Chinese influence that is actually good for Vietnam, while watching repetitive Chinese dramas (that even the Chinese government has banned) and reading Chinese gay novels, and some are even supporting Chinese phone brands over Vietnamese ones (!!!)
2. 当卖东西的时候，越南人总是想以比竞争对手更低的价格卖出。但这会让每个人的价格都下降，每个人的利润都更低，尤其是当他们卖同样的东西时。我在泰国的时候，所有卖主的价格都差不多。没有人玩肮脏的把戏，降价到别人的一半。即使是出租车司机，他们赚钱的方式也是一致的。
游客们别无选择，只能花钱买一辆价格过高的嘟嘟车。
3.越南民族主义真的很愚蠢。这是错误的民族主义。越南民族主义对越南人有帮助吗?不，没有帮助，越南人仍然看中国电影(同时抗议中国的技术和企业，其中一些对越南有利)，开日本汽车，穿美国品牌，听韩国音乐。与此同时，越南民族主义变得疯狂，制造假新闻、骚乱和抗议，传播假新闻和诋毁越南品牌。然后抱怨为什么越南品牌不能成长或生产出好产品。音乐和电影也是一样，总是有讨厌的人，然后抱怨为什么越南不能制作出好的音乐。
说他们讨厌中国，反对一切对越南有益的中国影响，但同时又重复观看中国电视剧。阅读中国同性恋小说，有些人甚至支持中国手机品牌，而不是越南手机品牌。
5.Not accepting responsibility. Say it’s the government’s or other’s fault when it’s actually our fault. Honking on the street, littering everywhere, selling fake food, bribing traffic police, grabbing stool and running away from police when you’re not supposed to sell food on the pavement (then complain about why Vietnam is so messy, why so many vendors on pavement, no space to walk..)
6.Think everything foreigners say is right. Without questioning. Even when they wrongly criticize Vietnam.
Historically we have not been a very smart nation, actually too proud and stupid.
4.抱怨为什么基础设施和大型项目建设得不快，但当政府补偿他们时，又拒绝搬迁，即使政府给了他们一大笔钱，还给了他们一处住所。。然后抱怨为什么大项目要花这么多钱，为什么因为征地问题而拖延这么多时间。如果所有越南人都着眼大局，越南将是一个更好的地方。
5.不接受责任。说这是政府或其他人的错，其实是我们的错。在街上按喇叭，到处乱扔垃圾，卖假食品，贿赂交警，抢座位，在人行道上非法经营时，躲避警察(然后抱怨为什么越南这么乱，为什么人行道上有这么多摊贩，没有地方走)。
6.认为外国人说的一切都是对的。绝对服从，即使他们错误地批评越南。从历史上看，我们一直不是一个非常聪明的国家，实际上太骄傲和愚蠢了。
we should have opened up and learned from Western technology like what the Japanese did. Instead Vietnam closed off and became a hermit kingdom like China. Japan industrialized, while Vietnam became backward and could not fight against colonialism.
After Viernam war, we should have left the capitalist class of South Vietnam alone, instead of doing the capitalist purge.
After the Vietnam war, we shouldn’thave gone to war with China. Probably also stay out of Cambodia and focus on rebuilding the destroyed economy. We should have implemented Doi Moi and not planned economy at roughly the same time as the Chinese. This means we would have an extra decade of growth. Plus without the capitalist purge, South Vietnam’s companies and industries could have still stayed intact.
And now in the 21st century, we are still too short sighted to recognize our faults. I would say Vietnamese are not smart, we are cunning and sly. Qualities that although might seem to yield positive short term benefits, I don’t think they are positive for long term growth.
如果我们是聪明人，历史对我们来说就不会是现在的样子:
1，我们应该像日本人那样开放并学习西方技术。相反，越南封闭了自己，成为了一个像中国一样的隐士王国。日本实现了工业化，而越南则变得落后，无法反抗殖民主义。
2，越南战争结束后，我们应该对南越的资本主义阶级置之不理，而不是进行资本主义清洗。
3，越南战争之后，我们不应该和中国开战。或许也应该远离柬埔寨，专注于重建被摧毁的经济。我们应该和中国人差不多在同一时间实施经济革新，而不是搞计划经济。这意味着我们将有一个额外的十年的增长。此外，如果没有资本主义清洗，南越的公司和工业可能仍然完好无损。
在21世纪的今天，我们仍然目光短浅，没有认识到自己的错误。我会说越南人不聪明，我们很狡猾。虽然这些品质可能会带来积极的短期利益，但我不认为它们对长期增长是积极的。
The fact that Vietnamese are “smart”, not intelligent, make them a bunch of selfish people.
Many time I got cut ahead while queueing. I once waited in a line in the supermarket, then there was a girl, who just cut ahead of me like it’s a natural thing to do, putting her stuff on the counter. I ask her to queue like everyone else, and she said: “You’re a man, don’t act like a girl”. The sad thing is, the cashier nourish that trait by processing with her. Almost all cashiers will do that, instead of asking her to go the back of the line. That’s why Vietnamese almost never queue.
If you’re waiting for a red line at the intersection in Vietnam, you’ll notice, people will start to move when the red light has about 5 seconds left, not when it turns green. They will clump up with the people moving in the perpendicular direction, and as the result, the traffic will stuck. They’re so “smart”, so they thought they’ll be home 5 seconds faster.
At the intersection also, you can see there is a lane for people who turn right. Vietnamese will fill in that lane, they don’t give a fuck about the people who need to turn right, just to make them closer to the red light, thus they gonna be home 5 seconds earlier, ’cause they’re so smart you know. 5 seconds earlier at the cost of 90 seconds later for a dozens of people have to wait behind them.
Whenever it rains, there will be a lot of people standing under the bridge that go over a road, despite the fact that they block the traffic of the entire road. They’re smart right, that way they can stay dry. Fuck anyone who is travelling on the road.
The leaders are “smart” too. They always find a way to spend society tax money for themself, and when they step down from power, they have already got citizenship in another country and fled there with all the money they got.
越南人“精明”，而不是有智慧，这让他们成了一群自私的人。我常常在排队时被插队。有一次我在超市排队，然后有个女孩插在我前面，把她的东西放在柜台上，就像很自然的事情一样。我让她像其他人一样排队，她说:“你是男人，不要表现得像个女孩”。可悲的是，收银员放任她这样做，又培养这种风气。几乎所有的收银员都会放任这种行为，而不是让她去排队的后面。这就是为什么越南人几乎从不排队。
在越南，如果你在十字路口等红灯，你会注意到，人们会在红灯还剩5秒的时候开始移动，而不是在红灯变绿的时候。他们会和垂直方向的人挤在一起，结果造成交通阻塞。他们太“聪明”了，所以它们以为自己回家会快5秒。在十字路口，你也可以看到有一条右转的车道。越南人会把车道填满，他们根本不在乎那些需要右转的人，只是为了让他们离红灯更近一点，这样他们就会提前5秒到家，因为他们太聪明了。提前5秒的代价是延迟90秒，因为几十个人不得不在他们后面等待。每当下雨的时候，会有很多人站在桥下的道路上，不管他们是否阻碍了整个道路的交通。他们很聪明，这样能保持不被淋湿。去他妈的路上的人与我何干。
领导人也很“聪明”。他们总能找到办法把社会税收的钱花在自己身上，当他们下台时，他们已经获得了另一个国家的公民身份，带着所有的钱逃到了那里。
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Vietnam is NOT POOR. It’s all about methodology of gathering statistics.
Average American has net debt. Average Vietnamese does not. Only ‘rich’ Vietnamese have debt.
GDP per capita does not tell anything, as in Vietnam money flow is not well accounted for.
Average farmer in Vietnam earns 50,000 USD + per annum
but that is not all. For that money they can live much better than many people in Norway or Dubai.
It is such an old- dated concept of measuring wealth by dollars.
If we would measure well being instead of money, Vietnamese are at least in top 20 countries. And some indexes for that matter show that they are constantly in Top 3 of happiest countries in the world.
越南并不贫穷。这都是关于收集统计数据方法的问题。普通美国人都有净债务。一般越南人不会有。只有“富裕”的越南人有债务。人均GDP并不能说明任何问题，就像越南没有很好地解释资金流动一样。越南农民平均每年赚5万美元以上，但这还不是全部。用这笔钱，他们可以生活得比挪威或迪拜的许多人好得多。用美元来衡量财富，这是一个非常过时的概念。如果我们用幸福而不是金钱来衡量，越南至少排在前20名。一些关于这方面的指数表明，他们一直在世界上最幸福的国家的前三名。
Because the bad education,
Vietnamese students have to study really hard but no one in the world accept that because Vietnamese education is in the wrong way. They must to study what they don’t need to study (we can’t use it in real life). For example, students need to study hard about chemistry in Secondary School and High School, but they aren’t chemist in the future. Vietnamese education teaches students to be good at Math, Physics, Chemistry,e.t.c but they didn’t care much about English. That is why Vietnamese can’t be good.
Secondly, Vietnamese who are good didn’t return to Vietnam and help Vietnam to become better,
In stead of return to help Vietnam, they stay at the place that can help them become richer and happier, like Europe or USA. Someone return to Vietnam to live with their parents or become an CEO of an company,e.t.c. Just a little Vietnamese come back to lead Vietnam to a better place. Why they care about their families, their jobs, e.t.c. but they didn’t care about their community, their country? They are not selfish, because the government didn’t want them to do that. They don’t want good Vietnamese to be in a good officials in the government. They just want their descendants to do that. But their descendants are bad! If someone want to be in government, they need to give the bribery
因为糟糕的教育。越南学生必须努力学习，但世界上没有人接受这一点，因为越南的教育方式是错误的。他们必须学习他们不需要学习的东西(我们不能在现实生活中使用的知识)。例如，学生需要在中学和高中努力学习化学，但他们未来不是化学家。越南教育教导学生擅长数学、物理、化学等，但他们不太关心英语。这就是为什么越南人不行。第二，优秀的越南人没有回到越南帮助越南变得更好。他们没有回国帮助越南，而是留在了一个可以帮助他们变得更富有、更幸福的地方，例如欧洲或美国。有些人回到越南和父母住在一起，或者成为一家公司的首席执行官，等等，只有一小部分越南人回来带领越南走向更好的地方。为什么他们关心他们的家庭，他们的工作，但他们不关心他们的社区，他们的国家?并不是他们自私，是因为政府不希望他们这样做。他们不希望好的越南人成为好官员。他们只是希望他们的后代也能这样做。但是他们的后代很坏，如果有人想在政府任职，就得行贿。
Excerpt from one of my comments:
And when Vietnamese go to those “overseas lands”, you will quickly find that they are no different to Vietnam, and the reason they’re rich is just a result of history. You will quickly learn that Vietnamese education gives you more advantage than the laidback Western system. You will increasingly see the potential of your country.
The reason why Asia has been held back for century is due to the Western world having a head start in industrialisation. But Vietnam has just started and needs time to catch up. Look at what the West used to say about China, how its students have no creativity, how they are like robots, no social skills, no life skills, no soft skills… China will collapse. Look at China now? It is top in the innovation spectrum, its technology is sending shivers down those Old World powers’ spines. Can they say that China have no innovation now?
Everything starts slow and in bad condition but will pick up momentum when the foundation is set. But you need confidence. Confidence in your people, confidence in your culture and most importantly confidence in your country!
It’s good to receive criticisms to improve, but don’t let foreigners put your country down. Do not believe everything they say is right. You need to have your own pathway, not reliant on others to pave that path for you. That is why the Asian tigers and China succeeded, they do not wait for the Western world to tell them what and how to make their country rich. In fact they found their own pathway, and each of those received a lot of negative criticisms from the Western world. But they pushed through despite those criticisms. And that’s what Vietnam needs to do too!
摘自我的一句话:
当越南人去那些“海外土地”时，你很快就会发现他们和越南没有什么不同，他们富有的原因只是历史的结果。你很快就会发现，越南的教育比落后的西方教育体系更有优势。你们会越来越多地看到你们国家的潜力。亚洲之所以停滞了几个世纪，是因为西方世界在工业化方面领先。但越南才刚刚起步，需要时间来赶上。看看西方是怎么评价中国的，中国的学生是多么的没有创造力，他们就像机器人一样，没有社交技能，没有生活技能，没有软技能，中国会崩溃的。看看现在的中国?它在创新领域名列前茅，它的技术让那些旧世界大国不寒而栗。他们能说中国现在没有创新吗?一切开始时都很缓慢，情况也很糟糕，但当基础建立起来后，势头就会增强。但你需要自信。要对你们的人民、你们的文化、最重要的是对你们的国家有信心!接受批评是件好事，但不要让外国人贬低你的国家。不要相信他们说的一切都是对的。你需要有自己的道路，而不是依赖别人为你铺路。
这就是亚洲四小龙和中国成功的原因，他们不等待西方世界告诉他们什么和如何让他们的国家富裕。事实上，他们找到了自己的道路，他们都受到了西方世界的很多负面批评。但他们不顾这些批评，坚持了下来。这也是越南需要做的!
That is a interesting statement that people made about Japan in the sixties and Korea in the seventies. No one calls those nation poor now. So my real question is what do you mean by “Poor”?
In my career has taken me to over a hundred nations in the world and Vietnam does not fit in that category. There are some very interesting statistics that indicate otherwise, including a lower poverty rate then in the US. Currently the economy is booming and according to some sources maybe the fastest growing economy in the world as soon as next year. Two years back when I first arrived, I counted no less than 23 cranes building skyscrapers out of my window in my downtown apartment.
Now why is it still in the development stage has more to do with war and the development of its economic style. If a nation is in a war, then it will obviously not be developing, especially if that war is in its own boarders. I am not going to comment on the development of economic styles, however the current leadership seems to be excelling at developing the economy.
So in brief, while a Doctor or another professional in Vietnam may earn several times less the income in other developed nations. Defining Vietnam as being “Poor” is certainly misguided.
“穷”是人们对60年代的日本和70年代的韩国的一个有趣的说法。现在没人说那些国家穷了。所以我真正的问题是，你说的“穷”是什么意思?在我的职业生涯中，我去过世界上100多个国家，越南不属于这一类。有一些非常有趣的统计数据表明情况并非如此，包括比美国更低的贫困率。目前，越南的经济正在蓬勃发展，据一些消息来源称，越南可能最快将于明年成为世界上增长最快的经济体。两年前，当我第一次来到这里的时候，在我位于市中心的公寓窗外，我数了数至少有23台起重机在建造摩天大楼。为什么越南还处于发展阶段，更多的是与战争和经济类型有关。如果一个国家处于战争中，那么它显然不会发展，特别是如果战争发生在它自己的边界上。我不打算评论经济风格的发展，但目前的领导层似乎擅长发展经济。简而言之，越南的医生或其他专业人员的收入可能是其他发达国家的几倍。把越南定义为“穷国”肯定是被误导了。
To say Vietnam is so poor is not a correct statement. It is true that there is still a portion of population living in poverty, but the living standard is improving every year. But you’re right that Vietnam is not living up to its potential given the geological location, and all the natural resources available.
The problem with Vietnam is the lack of trust in the current system and in a stable future. So everyone is trying to make money as fast as possible. Everyone is for him/herself, there is no bigger picture, no common goal, only “me and my family”.
The government is trying to fix problems and gain back people’s trust, but all they are doing is patching holes in a sinking ship instead of looking for way to build a new one. Under the current system maybe that’s all they are able to do.
So what is the future of Vietnam?
We’re strong and resilient, we do what we can with what we’re given because we hate conflict. That doesn’t mean we are lazy or weak. If thing keep going as it is now, the country will reach a breaking point, and people will stand together to bring the real change.
说越南很穷不是一个正确的说法。的确,生活在贫困中的人口仍然占一部分,但生活水平每年都在改善。但你是对的，越南没有发挥出它的潜力，因为它的地理位置和所有的自然资源。越南的问题在于人们对当前的体制和稳定的未来缺乏信心。所以每个人都想尽快赚钱。每个人都是为了自己，没有更大的蓝图，没有共同的目标，只有“我和我的家人”。政府试图解决问题，重新赢得人们的信任，但他们所做的一切都是在沉船上修补漏洞，而不是寻找建造新船的方法。在目前的体制下，也许这就是他们所能做的。那么，越南的未来是什么呢?我们很坚强，有弹性，我们能做我们所能做的，因为我们讨厌冲突。这并不意味着我们懒惰或软弱。如果事情继续下去,这个国家将会达到一个转折点,人们将站在一起,带来真正的改变。
In the period 1980 - 1990 Vietnam was the poorest country in the world, Vietnam's GDP per capita in 1983 was only 1/10 of the Philippines'. The reason is that Vietnam was involved in wars with France, US from 1945 – 1975, 2 wars with Khmer Rouge, China from 1979 to 1989 and the economic embargo until 1995. After 1995, Vietnam really started the cycle of peace and development. In 1990, Vietnamese economy was the poorest economy in the world, Vietnam's GDP per capita was only 1/8 of the Philippines. According to IMF calculation, GDP per capita has surpassed the Philippines in 2020. The GDP growth rate in the past 25 years is among the top in the world, which is a temporary achievement.
No one recognizes that Vietnamese people are smart if Vietnam is still poor. People will say Vietnamese are smart if Vietnamese economy can develop as Korea, Japan and Taiwan economies. Currently, Vietnamese people must try to study and work hard to be recognized. However, Vietnamese should not be less confident because Vietnam also has bright spots in economic development and is on the right track.
I think, Vietnamese people should not be proud to be smart people, Vietnamese people need to remember "Smart people do not accept poverty and poor people are not considered smart".
1980 - 1990年期间，越南是世界上最贫穷的国家，1983年越南的人均GDP只有菲律宾的1/10。原因是越南卷入了与法国的战争，1945 - 1975年与美国的战争，与红色高棉的两次战争，1979 - 1989年与中国的战争，以及1995年之前的经济禁运。1995年后，越南真正开始了和平与发展的循环。1990年，越南是世界上最贫穷的经济体，越南的人均GDP只有菲律宾的1/8。根据国际货币基金组织(IMF)的计算，越南的人均GDP已在2020年超过菲律宾。过去25年的GDP增长率在世界上名列前茅，这是一个暂时的成就。如果越南仍然贫穷，没有人会意识到越南人民是聪明的。如果越南经济能像韩国、日本、台湾一样发展，人们才会说越南人很聪明。目前，越南人民必须努力学习和工作，以获得认可。然而，越南人也不应丧失信心，因为越南在经济发展方面也有亮点，而且处于正确的轨道上。我认为，越南人不应该为自己是聪明人而自豪，越南人需要记住“聪明人不接受贫穷，穷人不被认为是聪明人”。
Well, I’m probably sure that is because of brain drains and also the parental fixed perceptions to their child.
Typical Vietnamese parents’desire is that their children will get accepted to good university, work for a foreign company and even get marriage with a foreigner.
So yeah, some are really smart and they too globalized and somehow they forgot that where they were born.
They are attracted by all the rapid development of the developed countries.
Because they are young and they are so easily effected.
Sadly, the government have offer the talented so many benefits but nothing can stop the brain drains.
Hopefully, the problem can be fixed and we can make a great Vietnam just like how America does to their own country.
嗯，我很可能确定这是因为智力流失和父母对孩子的固定认知。典型的越南父母的愿望是，他们的孩子能被好大学录取，能在外国公司工作，甚至能和外国人结婚。是的，有些人非常聪明，他们太全球化了，不知怎么的，他们忘记了自己的出生地。他们被发达国家的快速发展所吸引。因为他们还年轻，很容易受影响。可悲的是,政府提供了很多好处,但没有什么能阻止人才流失。希望这个问题可以解决,我们可以成就一个伟大的越南，就像美国对自己国家所作的一样。
Firstly, they dont have any chance to study when they were a kid. Their parent did not have enough money for their study. So when they grow up, they can not get a good job for their lives. So they are poor.
Secondly, they satisfied with what they have.
And the last, the world is growing. All what they have is too small to catch up the grow of the world. And they give up.
首先，他们小时候没有学习的机会。他们的父母没有足够的钱供他们学习。因此，当他们长大后，他们不能为他们的生活找到一份好工作。所以他们很穷。其次，他们满足于他们所拥有的。最后，世界在增长。他们所拥有的一切都太小了，无法赶上世界的发展。然后他们放弃了。
That’s because Vietnam is suffering from a brain drain. All the smart Vietnamese have emigrated to Western countries, only the dumb people and corrupt commies are staying therefore contributing nothing of value to the country.
这是因为越南正在遭受人才流失。所有聪明的越南人都移民到了西方国家，只有愚蠢的人和腐败者留在那里，因此对国家没有贡献任何价值。