德国比美国穷吗?
Is Germany poorer than the USA?
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德国和美国生活水平比较
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Is Germany poorer than the USA?
德国比美国穷吗?
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I’m from Germany. I lived in the US for a bit. What I found shocking was one thing.
The amount of people who lived in absolute poverty in the US.
Poverty looked different than from what I had seen and lived through myself in Germany. Poverty meant not having enough. That was it.
Poverty in the US however meant being close to becoming homeless every single day. It meant not having a home, not having solid work, not having enough for food.
The amount of people who worked their arses off just to cover basic living expenses was painful to see.
Being poor in Germany is a luxury. There are many ways to escape poverty through higher education and work. You don’t need to worry so much.
In the US however it’s tougher to change and it heavily depends on what cards fate has dealt you.
我来自德国。我在美国住过一段时间。让我感到震惊的是一件事。就是美国生活在绝对贫困中的人数。美国的贫穷看起来与我在德国所看到和亲身经历的有所不同。就是这样。然而，在美国，贫困意味着每天都接近无家可归。意味着没有家，没有稳定的工作，没有足够的食物。这么多的人为了维持基本的生活开支而拼命工作，这让人很痛苦。
而在德国，贫穷是一种奢侈。通过高等教育和工作等很多方法可以摆脱贫困。你不用太担心。然而在美国，要改变就难了，这很大程度上取决于命运给你发了什么牌。
Great Answer!!
A great many people are shocked at the poverty in the US. In the Bavarian village where I lived, it wasn’t like people were “rich”, but the contrast with the US when I visited some years ago was pretty stark and more than a bit shocking.
很棒的回答！
很多人对美国的贫困感到震惊。在我居住的巴伐利亚村庄，那里的人并不“富裕”，但相比之下，我几年去过的美国，那里就令人震惊的贫困了。
The US is a country of pioneers despite the fact that the pioneering days are long gone. That creates a discrepancy between the value system of many Americans and the day-to-day reality in which they live. This explains much of the apparent weirdness about the American way of life.
美国是一个拓荒者的国家，尽管拓荒者的日子早已一去不复返。这就造成了许多美国人的价值体系与他们日常生活的现实之间的差异。这也在很大程度上解释了美国人生活方式的怪异之处。
Same here, lived in NY. I was shocked at how expensive everything was and how many people are crippled on the streets. Prostitution and crime are normal. My friend paid 2000$ for an ambulance service. A very cutthroat economy and society for a “first world" country.
一样的，我住纽约。我震惊于所有东西的价格如此昂贵，有多少人跛足街头。卖淫和犯罪很普遍。我朋友花了2000美元叫了台救护车。对于一个“第一世界”国家来说，这是一个非常残酷的经济社会体。
That’s what capitalism is. Cut throat system. You are healthy fine you make money. You are sick you are on your own. While the rich fly with their jets on the weekend to play golf, the poor sleep under the bridge. Great. Nice system. It’s already breaking apart slowly but surely.
这就是资本主义。害人的系统。你身体好，你赚钱。你有病，你得靠自己。当富人周末乘飞机去打高尔夫球时，穷人却睡在桥下。太好了。不错的系统。它已经开始慢慢地破裂了。
Escape poverty through higher education in Europe? Amuse me… how? A 40 year old Mexican man who doesn’t speak English can earn an engineering degree via community college system. And achieve “American dream”. A 40 year old Mexican man in Germany will be washing floors till he dies.
欧洲通过高等教育摆脱贫困?逗我吧…怎么摆脱?一名不会说英语的40岁墨西哥男子可以通过社区大学系统获得工程学学位。从而实现“美国梦”。在德国，一个40岁的墨西哥人会一直洗地板直到死。
They are both first world nations with diverse economics, the US is the largest economy and Germany is fourth. The top 10% are probably richer in the US while the rest are probably better in Germany. I imagine the bottom 50% are probably definitely better in Germany.
他们都是第一世界国家，经济多元化，美国是最大的经济体，德国是第四。美国最富有的10%人群可能更富有，而德国的其他人群可能更好。我想德国的底层50%肯定会更好。
I was an immigrant from Mexico at age 14. After high school, I spent 22 years on active duty in the U.S. Army. I had tours in S. Korea, Germany, S. America, Afganistan, Uzbekistan, and CONUS. Poverty and homelessness in the U.S. is different than it is abroad. The U.S. is an “on your own” society. Few Americans have defined pensions. Many are within 90 days of being homeless if they lost their jobs. Family structure appears weaker than in other places, so the nature of the poverty is different. It’s difficult to compare and explain? So, I would state that poverty in CONUS is worse than other places. I retired from the Army in 2018 and went to nursing school. The number of Americans without health insurance is astounding. The number of Americans with severe dental problems is astounding. So many Americans do not receive adequate treatment for hypertension, and on and on. All of this creates bad health, depression, anxiety, and dropping out of the workforce with nothing or not enough to live on. In places that are costly to live in there is work but housing is very expensive and homelessness is very common. Poverty in Europe is nowhere near as bad as it is here. Poverty in Mexico is different in ways that don’t exist here. The Republicans can say how great it is here. Great compare to what? The U.S. has more people imprisoned than anywhere else and I am sure they deserve to be imprisoned. Different ethnic groups hate each other. Liberals and Conservatives fight continually and never solve anything, or very little. In the end, dirt poor Asians, Hispanics, Africans can come to the U.S. and survive and maybe get social security? Conversely, poor Americans have no country to go back to. There is little doubt that things are getting generally worse here and when enough people become poor Americans will do something about it?
我14岁时从墨西哥移民过来。高中毕业后，我在美国陆军服役了22年。我曾去过韩国、德国、美国、阿富汗、乌兹别克斯坦和美国本土。美国的贫困和无家可归与国外不同。美国是一个“靠你自己”的社会。很少有美国人有固定的养老金。如果他们失去工作，很多人在90天内就会无家可归。家庭结构似乎比其他地方弱，因此美国人贫困的性质是不同的。我想说的是美国本土的贫困比其他地方更严重。2018年，我从军队退役，去了护理学校。才知美国没有医疗保险的人数令人震惊。因此，许多美国人没有得到高血压等疾病的适当治疗。所有这些都会导致健康状况不佳、抑郁、焦虑，并使他们在一无所有或生活必需品不足的情况下退出职场。在生活成本高的地方，人们有工作，但住房非常昂贵，无家可归的现象非常普遍。欧洲的贫困远没有这里严重。墨西哥在某些方面的贫困是不存在的。共和党人可以说这里有多棒。相比之下哪点很棒?美国被监禁的人比其他任何地方都多，我确信他们应该被监禁。不同的民族相互仇恨。自由主义者和保守党人不断地斗争，从来没有解决过任何问题，或者解决得很少。最后，赤贫的亚洲人、西班牙人、非洲人能来到美国生存下来，也许还能得到社会保障?相反，贫穷的美国人却没有祖国可回。
毫无疑问，美国的情况正在普遍恶化，当足够多的人成为穷人时，美国人会为此做些什么吗?
This is absolutely correct being Poor in Germany still a luxury I know a family who came here as refugees. 3yrs plus now they don’t have work but still can afford to have food, nice clothes living in a nice house, Buying expensive gifts to their kids, going to a language course and so on. They got so much help from the government. If I compared them to the people in my home country Philippines, they are already considered as middle class. Yes there are also homeless here but, they have choice to ask help from the Government. That’s called solidarity here.
这是绝对正确的，在德国贫穷仍然是一种奢侈，我知道一个来到德国的难民家庭。他们来了有3年以上了，现在他们没有工作，但仍然能买得起食物，买得起漂亮的衣服，住在漂亮的房子里，给孩子买昂贵的礼物，上语言课程等等。他们从政府那里得到了很多帮助。如果我把他们和我的祖国菲律宾人相比，他们已经可被认为是中产阶级了。是的，这里也有无家可归的人，但是他们可以向政府寻求帮助。这就是所谓的团结。
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The average villige idiot in the U.S. will never know what they never know. I have been throughout the E.U. and then some. I never wanted to leave, but, every year I’m in and out. I think back on what the u.s. was and now what it is, with nothing but regret for the place. it’s no longer desireable for many, and once you come to europe, forgetaboutit.
在美国，普通的乡巴佬永远不会知道他们不知道的事情。我去过整个欧盟，还有其他一些地方。我从没想过要离开，但是，每年我都进进出出。但我回想起美国的过去和现在，对这个地方只有遗憾。对很多人来说，美国已经不再是理想的选择了，一旦你来到欧洲，就把美国忘掉吧。
Having lived in a foreign country for over a year taught me that you really don’t know what’s going on in that country unless you are of that country. The average U.S. citizen lives much wealthier than the average citizen in any other country. The economic opportunities for U.S. citizens is much greater than anywhere else. The U.S. is probably the only country in the world where people are lined up at the border with the desire to get in to work and not to get free stuff.
在国外生活了一年多后，我明白了一个道理:除非你是那个国家的人，否则你真的不知道那个国家发生了什么。普通美国公民的生活比其他任何国家的普通公民都富裕得多。美国公民经济上的机会比其他任何地方都大得多。美国可能是世界上唯一一个人们在其边境排队想要去工作，而不是得到免费东西的国家。
I’ve been to Germany and have seen homeless people there. In the US people can go to college with financial aid. Student loans pay for tuition and living expenses and the student doesn’t have to start paying it back until 6 months after graduation. They can also defer payment due to financial hardship. The idea that it is financially difficult for people to receive higher education or to escape poverty in the US is exaggerated and used by liberals for political gain.
我去过德国，在那里看到过无家可归的人。在美国，人们可以通过助学金上大学。用学生贷款支付学费和生活费，学生在毕业6个月后才需要开始偿还。他们也可能因为经济困难而推迟付款。在美国，人们接受高等教育或摆脱贫困在经济上的困难被夸大了，被自由派用来获取政治利益。
Well if you are a refugee or migrant in Germany all basic and higher education is free and you get some financial assistant to pay rent and have good existance. One doesn’t need to beg to do that. Homelessness in Germany is very minor, and very few Germans are really homeless. Utter poverty and living under the bridge for a German or migrant or legal refugee is not known there. If you see people homeless in Germany they are usually illegals.
如果你是德国的难民或移民，所有的基础教育和高等教育都是免费的，你还可以得到一些财政援助来支付房租，过上好日子。一个人不需要求别人就能做到。在德国，无家可归的人很少，很少有德国人是真正无家可归的。极度贫困和生活在桥下的德国人、移民或合法难民是不为人知的。如果你在德国看到无家可归的人，他们通常是非法移民。
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It might be that being poor in much of Europe is more comfortable and easier to climb out of than in the US. I wonder, though, how the countries compare in terms of standard of living for the typical person. I believe the taxes in Germany are higher than in the US. This might mean it is more difficult to do well in Germany.
这可能是因为，与美国相比，欧洲许多国家的穷人更舒适，也更容易摆脱贫困。然而，我想知道，就普通人的生活水平而言，这些国家是如何比较的。我相信德国的税收比美国高。这可能意味着在德国做得更好更加困难。
High taxes doesn’t make living harder, on the contrary it makes living easier! I love to pay more tax I love it! But in the US more taxed people means for the government more military spending. In other words you get robbed by your own government!
高税收并不会使生活更艰难，相反，它会使生活更轻松!我喜欢交更多的税。但在美国，纳税更多意味着更多的军费开支。换句话说，你们被自己的政府抢劫了!
I am from London and I have been and stayed in Germany few times back in the late 90's as a medical student doing elective program.I never saw any poverty.Poverty was virtually non existent.
我来自伦敦，上世纪90年代末，我曾在德国待过几次，当时我是一名医学院的选修课学生。我从没见过贫穷。贫穷几乎不存在。
You don’t need to ask.
Americans are richer than Germans, so America is richer than Germany.
问都不需要问。
美国人比德国人富有，所以美国比德国富有。
you mean 1% of Americans are richer than the richest 1% in Germany ? Probably. Talking globally ? As a a country ? Germany is way richer in every aspect if you compare it. America is a third world country on many aspects, including a very unfair and inequal economy. The European unx, and specially Germany is a first class society and economy. It doesn't matter if you have the top billionaires in the world if the economy is an unbalanced mess where most of people suffer.
你是说1%的美国人比1%的德国人更富有?可能是。但就全球来看，作为一个国家，相比之下，德国在各个方面都要富裕得多。美国在很多方面都是第三世界国家，包括非常不公平不平等的经济。欧盟，特别是德国，是一个一流的社会和经济体。你是否有全球最顶尖的亿万富翁并不重要，如果经济混乱不平衡，大多数人都会受苦。
I have a question. In the US, one major problem is the inequality of education. Many places, including many rural areas, have a very lower level thar precludes students from succeeding at university. Is thus the case in Germany? If you live in a very rural or poverty stricken area, are you still able to get a good education?
我有一个问题。在美国，一个主要的问题是教育的不平等。许多地方，包括许多农村地区，教育水平非常低，这妨碍了学生成功进入大学。德国的情况也是如此吗?如果你生活在非常偏远的农村或贫困地区，你还能得到良好的教育吗?
I can only speak for Austria, next door to Bavaria Germany. No matter what location education is the same. There is no two tier system in the German speaking countries so far as I know. In Austria there are very few private schools. Tech colleges, uiversities are free. I don’t know any poverty stricken area, there is supposed to be one in Vienna a very small one, But this is not the same they are not downtrodden or delapidated as in the USA.
我只能代表与德国巴伐利亚州相邻的奥地利发言。据我所知，德语国家没有两级体系。在奥地利，私立学校很少。科技学院和大学都是免费的。我不知道有什么贫困地区，维也纳应该有一个非常小的贫困地区，但这不一样，他们没有像美国那样被蹂躏或破败。
Germany is a social country,in Germany government created institutions that fights for poverty especially homeless people and people who don't work, and this institutions helping people to live normal life. USA is a corrupt country, they are spending billions of dollars in the wars but they can't build common houses across USA for homeless people. What makes someone rich is how his family looks like, you can't be a rich man while your kids are hungry, naked and homeless… don't you see how rich man's kids looks like???? Germany is far richer than USA because the money is circulated to all people living in Germany while in USA only 10% of the population is controling 98% of USA GDP
德国是一个社会型国家，德国政府设立了一些机构来为解决贫困，特别是为那些无家可归的人和没有工作的人，这些机构帮助人们过上正常的生活。美国是一个腐败的国家，他们在战争上花费了数十亿美元，却不能在美国各地为无家可归的人建造普通房屋。只有家庭富裕，个人才是真富裕，当你的孩子挨饿、赤身裸体、无家可归时，你不可能成为一个富人。你没看到有钱人的孩子长什么样吗?德国比美国富裕得多，因为钱是流通给所有生活在德国的人的，而在美国，10%的人口控制着98%的美国GDP。
I prefer to be poor in Germany than being poor in USA,I don't wanna be homeless ,eating cheap junkfood or do extrajob bcos 1 salary is not enough for living
我宁愿在德国当穷人，也不愿在美国当穷人。我不想因为工资不够生活而无家可归、吃廉价的垃圾食品或加班。
I have visited US several times & have realised that there are many, many poor people out there. Well, the number of poor is not comparable to the number in my country (India), but still I believe that for many folks the ‘American Dream’ that they live in is very tough.
One reason why even working folks are poor today (worldwide ?) is the severe disparity between the ‘pay’. Some jobs will always yield just the minimum. Also, healthcare costs can shatter families.
我去过美国几次，发现那里有很多很多的穷人。好吧，美国穷人的数量虽与我们国家(印度)的数量无法相提并论，但我仍然相信，对许多人来说，他们的“美国梦”是非常艰难的。今天(世界范围内?)工薪阶层也很穷的一个原因是“工资”之间的严重差距。有些工作只会带来最小的收益。此外，医疗费用也会使家庭崩溃。
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Yes, Germany has a lot less money than the USA both in absolute terms and per capita.
The German economy is structured differently, leading to some of the lowest hours worked per year in the developed world (yes, lower than France), at about 20% fewer total hours worked than Americans. That’s a full extra day per week off on a US schedule, though functionally it’s just far less overtime and more vacation days.
That means less output per capita (about 13% less GDP per capita), but a better quality of life, not only because there is way more free time, but because work is less of a drag when you cut your least productive hours out and go live your life instead.
It also helps to have a health insurance system that isn’t both by far the most expensive and by far the least effective in the developed world. It saves a lot of money, most especially among lower earners, so I think Germans might actually have a higher disposable income per capita in those tax brackets.
是的，德国的绝对财富和人均财富都比美国少得多。德国经济结构不同，每年的工作时间是发达国家中最低的(是的，比法国还低)，总工作时间比美国少20%。按照美国的标准，这相当于每周多放一天假，也就是加班少了，假期多了。这意味着人均产出减少(人均GDP减少约13%)，但是有了更好的生活质量，不仅是因为有更多的自由时间，还因为当你削减了效率最低的时间，转而去过你自己的生活时，工作就不会那么累人了。
它还有助于建立一个健康保险体系，这个体系既不是发达国家中最贵的，也不是效率最低的。这节省了很多钱，尤其是在低收入人群中，所以我认为德国人在这些税收级别上的人均可支配收入可能会更高。
Yes, Germany’s real per capita GDP is lower than in the US. So on average, Americans are richer and Germans are poorer. That doesn’t mean that all Americans are richer than all Germans, not by any means. And Germans live a “rich country” lifestyle, so one couldn’t call them “poor.”
Germany also has a much smaller population than the US. So, the overall US economy is very much bigger than the German one. So in that sense, too, the US is richer and Germany is poorer. But with a big population for a European country, Germany has one of the world’s biggest economies.
German income distribution is much flatter than the US income distribution. So it could be that being on the lower end of the German income scale is more comfortable than being on the lower end of the US income scale. So those Germans are richer than comparable Americans.
German labor productivity is comparable to American average labor productivity. So the lower average real income in Germany turns out to be mainly due to the fact that Americans work more hours per year and Germans take more vacation. It’s not because Germans are less efficient than Americans.
Those are the facts. Look up the data if you want.
是的，德国的实际人均GDP低于美国。因此，平均而言，美国人更富有，德国人更贫穷。这并不意味着所有的美国人都比德国人富有，绝不是这样。德国人过着“富裕国家”的生活方式，所以不能称他们为“穷人”。德国的人口也比美国少得多。因此，美国整体经济规模远远大于德国。从这个意义上说，美国更富有，德国更贫穷。但作为一个人口众多的欧洲国家，德国是世界上最大的经济体之一。德国的收入分配比美国要平坦得多。因此，在德国，收入水平较低的人可能比在美国收入水平较低的人过得更舒适。所以这些德国人比可比的美国人更富有。德国的劳动生产率与美国的平均劳动生产率相当。德国人的平均实际收入较低，主要是因为美国人每年工作时间更长，而德国人的假期更多。并不是因为德国人的效率比美国人低。这些都是事实。如果你想的话，可以查一下这些数据。
Indeed, when you say in Germany “I work hard and long hours”, you are considered rather an idiot in Germany. When you say “I am too lazy to do all this, so I solved the problem in another way”, you are considered clever. If you really solved the problem.
事实上，当你在德国说“我工作很努力，工作时间很长”时，你会被认为是一个白痴。当你说“我太懒了，啥都不想做，所以我用另一种方法解决了这个问题”，你被认为很聪明。
If you earn less than 50k EUR per year, then Germany is heaven. If you earn more than 100k USD, then the USA is better place to live. Services are pathetic in Germany compare to the USA. This you can see in restaurants, shops, and almost everywhere. You want to buy a new kitchen worth 5k EUR? Ok, stand in line to ask any questions you may have. Better be quick. Your kitchen will be delivered after 2 months and earliest appointment for the installation is available after 3 months. Take it or leave it. This kind of service. Last year I wanted to buy a car in Germany and visited few dealership. They are open usually from 9 to 5 or 6 during weekdays and till 1 PM on Saturday. Sunday no one works. You should take prior appointment before visiting dealership. Otherwise everyone will be busy and no one will attend you. I took test drive of one car and demanded test drive of second car. The person got offended and told me that you can’t test drive all the cars here. My budget was 25k EUR and wanted to buy brand new or second hand with only few thousands kilometers. Still it seemed that no one was interested to entertain me.
Secondly salaries are also more or less equal or comparable. In Germany, IT engineer gets around 60–80k which is decent but not much. A receptionist will also get around 35k which is not much less compare to IT engineer. Whereas in the USA this difference is quite big.
如果你的年收入低于5万欧元，那么德国就是天堂。如果你的收入超过10万美元，那么美国是更好的居住地。与美国相比，德国的服务水平很糟糕。这在餐馆、商店和几乎所有地方都可以看到。你想买一个价值5000欧元的新厨房吗?好了，排队提问吧。最好快点。您的厨房将在2个月后交付，最早的安装预约是在3个月后。要就要不要拉倒。就是这种服务。去年，我想在德国买一辆车，但没去几家经销商。他们通常在工作日的上午9点到下午5点或6点开放，星期六下午1点关门。星期天没有人工作。在拜访经销商之前，你应该提前预约。不然每个人都很忙，没有人会来鸟你。我试驾了一辆车，并要求试驾第二辆车。那个人很生气，告诉我你不能在这里测试所有的车。我的预算是2.5万欧元，想买一个全新的或只有几千公里里程的二手车。然而，似乎没有人对我感兴趣。
第二，两国工资也差不多相等或相当。在德国，IT工程师的收入大约在6- 8万，还算不错，但也不多。接待员也能挣大约35k，和IT工程师相比少不了多少。然而在美国，两个工作差异是相当大的。
Do you mean the country or the people in the country? I guess the USA is richer and there are far more billionaires in the U.S than in Germany, however, Germany is “poorer”, yet Germany doesn't have a lot of real poor people.
Logically, this makes Germany the richer country for me because what benefit do I have when I am rich and the rest around me is suffering? Crime increases, homelessness on the streets become more visible, I cannot walk through certain areas, I need to rely on my car and even then, criminals follow you home and rob you in your own garage/home like it is happening in bigger cities, especially San Francisco and Los Angeles. I truly feel more at peace in my own home in Germany. I always had to watch who was around me in the USA and even in my own home I felt not really comfortable.
The downside of the German lifestyle is that it is easier to stay mediocre. In the USA people aim high and it is ok to fall, after falling, just get up and try again. Many homeless people went back to college, had luck that someone gave them housing/support or managed to get back on track on their own. In the USA you are your own hero sometimes and in Germany people look down on you for falling. So spiritually, I like the American approach towards life better. Spiritually, the USA is richer.
你指的是这个国家还是这个国家的人?我猜美国比德国更富有，而且美国的亿万富翁要多得多，然而，虽然德国“更穷”，但德国并没有很多真正的穷人。逻辑上来说，当我很富有而周围的人都在受苦时，我能得到什么好处呢?犯罪率上升，无家可归的人越来越多，我不敢穿过某些区域，我需要依靠我的车，即使这样，罪犯还可能会跟着你回家，在你的车库/家里抢劫你，就像在更大的城市，特别是旧金山和洛杉矶一样。在德国的家中，我真的感到更加平静。在美国，我总是要观察周围的人，即使是在我自己的家里，我也觉得不太舒服。德国生活方式的缺点是更容易保持平庸。在美国，人们的目标很高，失败也没关系，失败之后，站起来，再试一次。许多无家可归的人回到了大学，幸运的是有人给了他们住房/支持，或设法靠自己回到正轨。在美国，有时你是自己的英雄，而在德国，人们会因为你的失败而看不起你。
所以在精神上，我更喜欢美国人对待生活的方式。精神上来说，美国更富有。