网友讨论:日本人真的工作很努力吗?
Are Japanese People Really Hardworking? | ASIAN BOSS译文简介
网友:工作努力是好事,但如果到了负担过重导致想要自杀的地步,那就没有什么意义了
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网友讨论:日本人真的工作很努力吗?
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Working hard is great and all, but if it's to the point where some people feel overburdened and commit suicide makes it pointless.
工作努力是好事,但如果到了负担过重导致想要自杀的地步,那就没有什么意义了
True
说的没错
If you can finish your workload, and then proceed to help your team so that ur team complete the task before 5pm, then i don't see why u shudn't leave early.
如果你可以完成自己的工作,并且能够帮助团队,让大家可以在下午五点之前完成任务的话,那么我实在不明白为什么这样还是不能早点走。
Yup your brain can only be productive for so long....I think the long hours are making Japan unproductive. Humans need downtime to be creative
是的,你的大脑只能工作那么长的时间,我认为长时间的工作正使得日本变得生产力低下。为了更有创造力,人们需要休息时间。
Japan: Gets guilty when leaving the office on time
日本:按时下班会感到内疚
Having to work overtime regularly is a sign of bad organisation within the company and of inept superiors. I think that many people just pretend to look busy while actually not getting much work done.
经常加班是公司组织不力和上级无能的表现。我认为很多人只是假装很忙,而实际上并没有做多少事情
Ive experienced the exact same thing! They pretend to work but actually they dont. Its a good idea to say, finish your work and go home!
我也经历过这种事情,他们假装工作,但实际上什么也没有干,我觉得最好就是完成工作后可以立即回家
I used to work eight hours per day, and now I work only SIX.
Life's good.
我过去每天工作八小时,现在只工作六小时。生活是如此美好
hire me in your company sir
请雇佣我到你们公司工作吧
which company are you working with sir
你在哪家公司上班
I want to work there to
我想去那上班
Ur French?
你是法国人吗?
dam is your company hiring? Lol
你们公司还招人吗?
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I usually work 12 hours per day
我一般每天工作12个小时
Efficient is the thing
效率才是关键
You are right
你说的没错
A Japanese friend told me that although everyone gets annual holidays, a lot don't take this time off as it would make them appear to be disloyal to the Company. Now seriously, how awful is that !
一个日本朋友告诉我,虽然每个人都有年假,但很多人都没有去休年假,因为这会让他们显得对公司不忠。说真的,这真的很可怕
Frani Dance it’s just the culture of japan. in japan the relationship between someone older and someone younger is different than any other country. in other countries you do have to have manners and respect towards someone older. But in japan there is just a culture of treating your elders almost like a god, maybe not that much but close to that. it’s just the culture. that’s why people in japan work on holidays because they’re trying to be considerate of their bosses
这就是日本文化。在日本,年长者和年轻人之间的关系和其他国家是不一样的。在其他国家,你必须要对年长者有礼貌,要尊敬他们。但在日本文化中,人们要像神一样的对待年长者,或许没有那么夸张,但也很接近了。这就是日本文化。这就是日本人要在假日里工作的原因,因为他们努力要为老板着想。
Work hard, but don't overwork.
要努力工作,但不能过度工作
Nicholas Chen from the words of Bill Gates himself, I will love to hire a lazy person to do a difficult job than those hardworking people because lazy people can get an easy and productive way to do it.
比尔盖茨曾说过,相比起勤奋的人,我更喜欢雇佣懒人去做一些困难的工作,因为懒人会想一些简单高效的方式去完成工作。
i am lazy and sleep all day but i outperform other classmates in school
我很懒,整天睡觉,但我在学校的表现比其他同学好
Both of my parents work 8-16 here in Finland. Staying until 20-21 is just crazy! You would have no life besides work...
我的父母在芬兰每天八点上班,下午四点下班。一直工作到晚上八九点真的是疯了。除了工作,你就没有生活吗
曼Kevin
我知道芬兰有很多努力工作的人,这和其他欧洲有所不同,我不知道为什么会这样
There's an inverse relationship between long working hours and productivity. The longer working hours you have, the more time each individual worker feel they have to complete the job, so they get encouraged to be less productive or slack off.
The shorter time you have to complete a job, the more efficiently you have to use your time.
工作时间和生产力之间是负相关的关系,你工作的时间越长,你就会觉得自己有更多的时间来完成工作,所以你就会有意的磨洋工或偷懒。你完成一项工作的时间越短,那么就越能有效的利用时间。
There's a fine line between working hard and overworking
努力工作和过度工作只有一线之隔
In Sweden you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who works overtime, with exceptions in a few industries like accounting etc. It's also legally encouraged for employees to take 3 consecutive weeks paid vacation in summer, which is generally upheld as the company can get into trouble with the unxs if they don't. This results in there being almost no work left to do in the summer months as everyone else is on vacation, so even if you wanted to do it, you can't. Now, I don't know about Swedish productivity, and I think we take things a bit too far in the other direction, but Swedish companies are doing good and the private economy is not worse for wear than any other developed country. So in this respect, I think the Japanese have something to learn.
在瑞典,除了会计等少数行业外,你很难找到一个加班的人。法律还鼓励员工在夏季连续休三周带薪假期,这种做法受到了普遍的支持,因为如果不这样做的话,公司就会和工会发生矛盾。结果就是在夏天几个月的时间里面根本就没有工作可以做,因为每个人都在休假,所以即便你想工作,也工作不了。我不知道瑞典的生产率是多少,我认为瑞典在另一个方向上走的太极端了,但瑞典公司做得很好,私有经济并不比任何其他发达国家的差。所以我认为日本应该在这个方面多多的学习。
In my personal experience, they're really hardworking people, but very competitive at the same time. The sad thing is that most of them get to suffer from stress or even depression due to the long hours they spend at work.
就我个人经验而言,我认为他们都是非常努力的人,同时也很有竞争力。可悲的是,他们大多数人由于长时间的工作,要受到压力或甚至抑郁症的折磨。
working hard does not equate to being more productive.
A lot of their methods are really outdated and are a waste of time when compared to other countries.
Japan needs to work smarter, not harder.
工作努力并不意味着工作就更有成效
与其他国家相比,他们的很多方法都已经过时了,根本就是在浪费时间。
日本需要更聪明的去工作,而不是更拼命
Working hard on something you love is not depressing.
Actually having a meaniful job is antidepressants.
努力做自己喜欢的事情并不会导致抑郁
实际上,做有意义的工作就是最好的抗抑郁药
They were slave to their work
他们是工作的奴隶
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From my experience with working w Japanese, they know how to show their good sides to the bosses and show how hard working they are but in actual fact not really? Idk just my own experience
根据我和日本人的工作经历来看,他们知道如何向老板展示自己优秀努力的一面,但实际上,事实真是如此吗?我不知道,这只是我的个人经验
I cant believe that Japan has that kind of culture. It made me want to try and find a way to help reform their system.
不敢相信日本有这样的文化,这使得我想要找到一种方法去改革他们的制度
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I work with Japanese people from overseas, and I always used to tell my friends and family that "Japanese people live to work, while all the other nations work to live"
Japanese people are so accurate and perfectionist, sometimes it is good and sometimes it is really bad, because sometimes simple things take more time than it should, where productivity becomes really slow and very low.
我和海外的日本人一起工作过,所以我总是和朋友家人说“日本人活着就是为了工作,而其他国家的人是为了生活而去工作”
日本人一切都要求精确无误,非常的完美主义,有时这是一个优点,但有时这样也不好。因为本来简单的事情要花比平时更多的时间去做,做事的效率变得极低极慢
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我给你举个例子,我曾经做过一个项目,本来不用一个星期就可以完成,但最后由于完美主义者的心态,花了五个月的时间才做完,可是结果却很不好,因为做了太多的修改,而且缺乏规划
In France it's legally about 35h/week, from 9 to 6 or 8 to 5, depending on the company. Annual paid leave is 5 weeks, I know it's a point many japanese do envy a lot. I guess there is some profound work to do to make things change, especially because the huge overtime work culture is something that has been going on for years, many youngsters seem to just think it's normal and don't question that, or anything else.
在法国,每周的法定工作时间是35小时,从早上九点到下午六点或早上八点到下午五点,具体上班时间取决于公司。还有五周的带薪年假,我知道很多日本人对此非常的羡慕。我认为日本要想改变这种状况,需要做很多的工作,尤其是因为日本多年来一直盛行加班文化,这让很多年轻人似乎认为这是正常的,没有对此进行任何质疑。
If I work too much in Germany my employer sends me on forced (payed) vacation, which is the right thing to do.
I really feel sorry with the guy in the green shirt. It sounds like modern slavery and I can’t imagine that it is legal what his boss does, even in Japan.
我在德国工作,如果工作时间过长,老板强制让我进行带薪休假。这是正确的做法。
我对那个穿绿衬衫的家伙感到难过。这听起来像现代奴隶制,我无法相信他老板做的那些事情在日本竟然是合法的。
I guess it also depends in which field you work in. I've heard that hours are long if you work in finance no matter which country you're in.
我想这取决于你在哪个领域工作。我听说,不管你在哪个国家,如果你从事的是金融工作的话,那么工作时间就会很长
oh please, interview koreans and make that 'asian overwork' be noticed to world wide
请采访一下韩国人,让全世界都注意到亚洲人工作时间过长的问题
In my experience, they're at work a long time but not particularly hardworking while there. Texting and pretending to be busy isn't so difficult even for 10 - 12 hours a day...most countries do that!
根据我的经验,长时间工作并不意味着你就在那努力工作。每天花十到十二个小时来发短信,假装很忙并不是很难。大部分国家的人都可以做到
No wonder no one has kids, I'm surprised they aren't fat from sitting and the stress
难怪没有人有孩子,奇怪的是他们并没有因为久坐和压力原因而变胖,这让我感到很惊讶
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When deciding to move to Asia, Japan was always at the top of my list. After reading so much about the working culture, it was quite clear to me that this is not the type of lifestyle that I wanted. Normally, I work as a chef. I am used to random un-wanted overtime. After years in kitchens, I knew that's not what I want out of life. What's the point of living, if you're just going to spend 80% of your week working? By the time you're free, you're too tired to want to do anything. It's a vicious cycle that never ends. And in Japan, they are saying 63% of people feel guilty to take time off! Horrible.
Now I've been living in SE Asia, only work 15/20 hours a week and still have money to travel. Have definitely never been happier.
当我决定移居亚洲的时候,日本一直都是我的首选。在充分了解日本的工作文化后,我明白这显然不是我想要的生活方式。我是一个厨师,已经习惯了不定期的令人讨厌的加班。在厨房工作多年后,我知道这不是我想要的生活。如果你要把每周80%的时间都用来工作,那么生活的意义又是什么?当你工作下班有空的时候,已经因为太累而什么都不想做了。这是一个永远不会结束的恶性循环。在日本,他们说63%的日本人会因为休假而感到内疚,这真的是太可怕了。
现在我住在东南亚,每周只需要工作15到20个小时,而且还有钱去旅游。我从来没有这么快乐过。
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So interesting to see that working long to increase productivity actually has the opposite effect
有趣的是,为了提高生产率而增加工作时间实际上是适得其反
A tired body can't perform at it's maximum. Work and rest are equally important!
疲惫的身体是没有办法以最高效率进行工作的。工作休息同样重要。
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I hope the Japanese can have a better life. I hope they are not overworked, and can enjoy friends, family, and life more.
我希望日本人可以过上更好的生活,我希望他们不要过度工作,可以享受和朋友家人在一起的生活
I am curious to know if there are labor or work unxs in Japan. If not, why? Is it really the culture?
我想知道日本又没有工会。如果没有,为什么?这真的是文化原因吗?
Pretty accurate cos my Japanese boyfriend is so workaholic. Money is more important to him
相当的准确,因为我的日本男友就是一个工作狂,钱对他来说更加的重要。
In Sweden you work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and normally get 25 payed vacation days per year.
在瑞典,每周工作五天,每天工作八小时,正常情况下,每年会有25天的带薪年假。
From France: 35h a week/29 days off per year. With one of the a best productivity rate among the OCDE countries.
来自法国:每周工作35个小时,每年有29天带薪假期。法国是经合组织中生产率最高的国家之一。
It's engraved into Japanese culture already. There has been many people, companies etc trying many things to cure the issues but none has worked. Personally I think the only way for it to work is to make it a law.
我认为这已经深深刻在日本文化之中了。有很多人,很多企业想了很多的方法想要解决这个问题,但没有一个成功过。就个人而言,我认为唯一的方法就是制定相关的法律。
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I'm from Brazil, i think most jobs usually work 44 hours weekly but it really depends on the kind of job.
我来自巴西,我认为大部分工作每周只要工作44个小时就可以了,但这取决于工作类型。
well, from what I learn in Australia, the north-east asians are indeed industrious
从我在澳大利亚的了解情况来看,东北亚人的确很勤劳。