韩国人讨论:是否应该免除防弹少年团的兵役?
Korean Men Discuss Whether BTS Should Receive Military Service Exemption | STREET DEBATE译文简介
网友:我知道朝鲜半岛已经处于停战状态了,为什么还不能由自己自愿选择服不服兵役呢?为什么只有男人服兵役呢?如果是自愿入伍,而且薪水更高的话,那么我认为军队的士气也会得到提高。但这是我的个人意见,我知道我的这个看法并不受欢迎......
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韩国人讨论:是否应该免除防弹少年团的兵役?
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I get that the peninsula is under an armistice, but why isn’t military service a voluntary option yet? Why is it only men that are conscxted? I think the morale of the force would be higher if it was VOLUNTARY and the compensation was HIGHER. But that’s my opinion and I know it’s not popular.
我知道朝鲜半岛已经处于停战状态了,为什么还不能由自己自愿选择服不服兵役呢?为什么只有男人服兵役呢?如果是自愿入伍,而且薪水更高的话,那么我认为军队的士气也会得到提高。但这是我的个人意见,我知道我的这个看法并不受欢迎。
I absolutely agree with you here. Your unpopular opinion might not be so unpopular after all......
完全同意你的看法。你的意见或许没有那么不受欢迎
Took the words right out of my mouth
把我想说的话都说了
your thinking is simple at best. it's also cause you don't understand Koreans and their history. most are sick of war due to our thousands of years of being invaded. if it was not mandatory, no one would enlist. that's why. most want to enjoy life as well as possible and this does not include a career in the military. unfortunately, with our relationship still the way it is with the north, mandatory is the only option.
你的想法真是太简单了。这是因为你不了解韩国人的历史,由于数千年来一直遭到入侵,大部分韩国人对战争都感到了厌倦。如果不是强制服兵役的话,没有人会愿意入伍的。大部分的韩国人只想尽可能的享受生活,当然这并不包括军旅生涯。不幸的是,鉴于我们和北方的关系一直没有得到改善,强制服兵役是唯一的选择。
Simple. A volunteer system would have serious lack of volunteers.
很简单,如果服兵役是自愿的话,那么自愿参军的人数肯定会很少了
Because, they’re at war.
因为他们处于战争状态
I think every person thinks this
我想每个人都想到了这个问题
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That's law and nobody is supposed to be above it.
这是法律规定的,没有人可以凌驾于法律之上。
No u can't just rely on the US to defend u all the time...
你不能一直依赖美国来保护你
If it is voluntary there would be no soldiers, haven't you watched the video? People don't want to serve, they would be grateful if they didn't need to
如果是自愿服役的话,那么就不会有士兵了,你没有看视频吗?人们不想要服役,如果不需要服役的话,他们会非常感激的
Lmao voluntary...if korean man willing to voluntary...they not gonna have the system they have right now...and fyi korea system strict with this enlistment because they still need to be careful with north korea...u cant predict what that north korea move...and bts influence is useless when the war come...what their influence can do? U gonna tell me bts fans around the world gonna go korea and defend that country from north korea attack?
笑死,自愿服役,如果韩国男人真的愿意自愿服役的话,那就不会实现现在这样的强制服兵役的制度了,韩国的兵役制度是非常严格的,因为他们依然需要小心应付北方的朝鲜,你无法预测朝鲜接下来会做什么,当战争来临的时候,防弹少年团的影响力一点用也没有,他们的影响力有什么用?你不会是想告诉我他们在世界各地的粉丝会到韩国来保卫韩国免受朝鲜的攻击吧?
@shinichi kudo that’s so true hahaha it’s their law yes they contributed to the economy and so is other kpop idols who are successful also contributed to the economy so should they also be exempted from military? ofc not it’s actually a good thing to go to the military so that they would know how to protect themselves if hell break lose in north and south.... people think about this issue too lightly like a lot of people saying “i would rather take a selfie with bts in war”.... north korea doesn’t care if you’re a bts member or not as long as your from south your their enemy.
说的没有错,这是法律规定的,他们的确对经济做出了贡献,但其他成功的韩国艺人同样也对经济做出了贡献,所以他们也应该被免除兵役吗?当然不行,实际上,参军是一件好事,这样他们就会知道万一韩国输给了北方,他们该怎么保护自己,人们对这个问题的看法过于轻率,很多人说什么“我宁愿和防弹少年团在战争中拍一张自拍”。朝鲜不会在乎你是不是防弹少年团的成员,只要你来自南方,那么就是他们的敌人。
soumya batra bts never said they wanted to serve. They said they will because it’s required for them to. That’s the politically correct answer.
防弹少年团从来没有说过自己想要服役,他们说他们会去服役,因为这是对他们的要求,这也是政治正确式的回答
I fully agree with you. This is ridiculous, politicians have to stop forcing people to fight THEIR wars. Men shouldn't be forced to go to a service they simply don't want to. I'm sure the guys of BTS doesn't feel like going either, but of course they need to say "it's an honor" or whatever, because they're the face of their country now, and can't say what they really feel. If you ever encounter someone saying that they liked going there or that it's a "duty", they're probably brainwashed. Times have changed.
我完全同意你的看法。这是荒谬的,政客们不能强迫人们去打仗。不能强迫男人服兵役,他们真的不愿意去。我肯定防弹少年团的成员也不愿意去服役,但当然他们嘴上会说什么参军最光荣之类的话,因为他们现在代表国家,不能心里想什么就说什么。如果你遇到某个人说自己喜欢服兵役,或者说这是韩国人的责任之类的话,那么他们可能是被洗脑了
The thing is.. Korea's population ain't huge. If they make it voluntary, not many would sign up to be honest(m not judging anyone) but it's rare people would be willing to. I don't know if u have seen the military strength of North Korea but damn.. It's crazy dangerous . And if SK wants to fight it.. They need that much armforce too.
问题是韩国人口并不多,如果采用自愿入伍的方式,那么老实说,不会有多少人愿意参军的。我不知道你是否见识过朝鲜的军事力量,但是真的非常的危险。如果韩国想要与之抗衡,那么他们就需要有强大的武力才行。
I read this answer somewhere in another platform, said that the have mandatory military service is because they dont know when the war with North Korea will break, so they have to always be ready with every man power they have throughout the country at all times. so it can not be voluntary.
我在另一个平台看到的答案是这样说的,强制服兵役是因为他们不知道与朝鲜的战争什么时候会爆发,所以他们必须做好随时让全国每一个人力都能排上用场的准备,所以不能用自愿入伍的方法
I agree, I feel like women should be conscxted too.
我同意,我认为女人也应该被征召
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For korea's case they are a much smaller country and if it was voluntary there would be too little people in their army and in case of an emergency they would not have enough soldiers to protect their country
对于韩国来说,他们是一个非常小的国家,如果实行自愿兵制度的话,那么军队中士兵数量就会变得很少,一旦出现紧急情况,就没有足够的士兵来保护自己的国家了。
Funny a korean said this. When the world respected them because of this military service. While my country will bring back the obligatory military service. Guess Koreans now will just face their enemy with dance
一个韩国人说这种话真是有意思。世界尊重他们,是因为他们义务服兵役。我们国家将要恢复义务兵制度。我猜韩国人现在只能通过跳舞来面对他们的敌人了
Dude a woman have to carry a baby for eight months in her womb at least once in her life and then give birth which is one of the worst pains a human can experience. So you want them to have +2 years of military. That’s pure madness.
女人一生中至少要怀八个月的孩子,然后还要经历生产的剧痛。你现在竟然还想让她们再多两年的军旅生涯。简直就是疯了
Hellooooo militiary should be voluntary. Not forced.
参军必须自愿,不能强迫
Exactly! Most people do not want to serve. It seems like just do it because they have to and them shame the people who try to find ways to get exempted.
In my opinion it’s either all or nothing. All people (physically and mentally able) regardless of gender must serve. Or voluntary participation for all. Any inbetween creates a feeling of unfairness.
没错,大部分人都不想服兵役。人们服兵役是因为他们不得不这样做,试图逃脱兵役的人会被人耻笑。在我看来,要么所有人都服兵役,要么就自愿。所有人不管性别都必须服兵役。或者采取自愿服兵役制度。任何介乎两者之间的做法都会让人觉得不公平。
I feel that
我也这样认为
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Your opinion is unpopular. Every other men in Korea has served for their country
你的观点不受欢迎,在韩国,每个人都要为国家服役
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I completely agree!
我完全同意
Are you stupid?
你是傻瓜吗
They can say they "suffered" bc thats how they feel....and they probably didnt want to go in the first place.
受访的韩国人说“自己遭受了,,”这就是他们的感受,可能他们一开始就不想去服役
Totally agree
完全同意
In my country Ecuador Men and Women can do the military service. Korea shoul introduce Women on military service . It is their country too.
在我的国家厄瓜多尔,不管男女都可以服兵役,韩国也应该让女人服兵役。这也是她们的国家
Because if it was voluntary there would not be enough men to go to war to. It's just a fact
因为如果是自愿的话, 就没有足够的人去打仗了。这是事实
The faster they go tho the better. I just want all 7 members to go at the same time and return back as a full BTS
他们走的越快越好,我只想他们七个人可以一起去服役,然后再重新回来,组成一个完整的防弹少年团
Exactly if all go two years and they be back if the company would be smart enough.
如果公司足够聪明的话,他们一起去,两年后也就回来了
Yeah they can make a faster comeback.
是的,他们可以更快的回来
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The men here were so respectful. They did not bring BTS down while also mentioning other people/artists and how important the service is.
这些受采访的人很有礼貌,他们在提到其他艺人以及服役的重要性的时候,没有贬低防弹少年团,
And irony is BTS has never ever said they want to get exemption. They want to do it like any other male in Korea.
讽刺的是,防弹少年团从来没有说过要免除服兵役的事。他们想和韩国的其他男人一样服兵役。
I don't think they want to do it because as you can see from the video literally no one wants to go. But I think they want to earn the respect of South Korean Citizens by doing things how they are supposed to be done.
我认为他们并不想去服兵役,因为正如你在视频中看到的那样,实际上没有人想去服兵役。但我认为他们是想履行自己的义务来赢得韩国人的尊敬。
It wouldnt be a good look for them if theyd say theyd want to be exempted
如果他们说想要免除兵役的话,会伤害到自己的形象
@marmalade I know right? the people commenting "bts never said they wanted to be exempted" or "bts said they'll fullfill their duty once they're called", do they actually think bts had a choice in saying or expressing otherwise? military service is a sensitive topic in s. korea. the moment they even so much as hint at the idea of exemption or express displeasure or hesitatation at the duty, they're gonna be bashed to no ends.
我觉得就是这样的。评论区的人说“防弹少年团从来没有说过自己想要被免除兵役”或“防弹少年团说一旦被征召就会履行自己的义务”。他们真的认为防弹少年团有表达其他看法的选择吗?在韩国服兵役是一个敏感话题。一旦他们表达了想要免除兵役,或者对服兵役有所不满或有所犹豫的话,就会受到无休止的抨击。
他们非常聪明,我们永远不会知道他们对服兵役的真实想法。或许他们真的愿意,或许不愿意。我们无从得知。所以他们对该问题的任何表态,说的都是他们应该说的,而不是他们内心真实的想法。他们一开始就没有选择。
This should not be a topic, they said they are ready to go , most of us are actually not upset , we saw this coming
这不是什么问题,他们说他们已经准备好了,我们大多数人实际上并不沮丧,我们之前就知道会发生这种事
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BTS themselves have stated multiple times that they will serve their time. They are not the ones that are asking for exemption, but some of the ministers within the government.
防弹少年团自己多次表示会去服兵役,要求免去兵役的人不是他们自己,而是政府内部的一些部长
Exactly.
说的没有错
Bts should ask their country to stop believing the lies of the World Health Organisation. Because the meausres like masks are based on lies and agianst human rights.
防弹少年团应该要求韩国不要相信世界卫生组织的谎言,因为像戴口罩这样的信息都是基于谎言,而且还违反人权。
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why does the government don't want them to enlist???
为什么政府不想让他们服兵役呢?
@Pr Aem they wear masks since long time ago before the pandemic
早在新冠之前,他们就在戴口罩了
@itsme_again because they contribute with a lot of Money to the country and they increase several areas of the economy
因为他们可以为国家赚很多的钱,他们增加了好几个经济领域的收入
Exactly. ARMYs will support no matter what is the decision.
没错,无论是什么决定,军方都会支持
In Korea, business and politics ties are very strong
在韩国,商界和政界之间的联系是非常紧密的
The men being interviewed are really logical and respectful at the same time. They have proved that there are two side of the same coin.
被采访的人都很有逻辑性,同时也很尊重人。他们证明了凡是都有两面性这个道理。
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The fact that every South Korean males have military training is still astounding.
让人感到震惊的是,每个韩国男性都受过军事训练
there is nothing astounding about it... they have a relatively lesser population and have tensions with north korea... people willingly going to the military will be very less thus weakening their military... so they need mandatory military service...
这没有什么好震惊的,他们人口相对较少,而且和朝鲜关系紧张,自愿参军的人数较少,这会削弱军队的战力,所以他们需要实现义务兵制度
@vp98215 South Korea population is 51 million. That is not a small country. Germany is 83 million and UK is 66 million.
韩国人口5100万,并不是小国,德国8300万,英国也就6600万
@Keegan Moonshine germany and UK dont have north korea as neighbour
德国和英国没有朝鲜这样的邻居
@Keegan Moonshine they are not officially end the war
他们之间的战争并没有正式结束