网友讨论：日本的歧视
Discriminating in Japan
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我在日本生活了半辈子，一切都很好。但有一件事令我烦恼：歧视。
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See, I've been living in japan for most of my life now and everything is fine. But there is one thing that bothers me: Discrimination. See, Im and indian living in Japan and whenever i go to the shopping mall or anywhere there are people staring at me like they have never seen and Indian before. When i go to play with my friends, there are there kids and adults all telling me that this is a Japanese people only park and kick me out of there. I feel sad because sometimes i jut get excluded because im not from Japan. Some people at the park who like actually work there tell me to stop playing with balls or anything while there are like tons of other people in the same place using balls and playing something. I just need help. Thank you!
我在日本生活了半辈子，一切都很好。但有一件事令我烦恼：歧视。我是个住在日本的印度人，每当我去商场或其他什么地方，总有人盯着我看，好像他们从来没有见过印度人一样。当我和我朋友去玩时，那的小孩和大人告诉我这是只属于日本人的公园，然后把我赶出去。我感到难过，因为我不是日本人而时不时的被排斥。公园里一些工作人员告诉我不要在那里打球，然而这个地方明明有很多人在打球。我需要帮助，谢谢！
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I'm British of South Asian background, living in a small, backwater town in Aichi and I've had similar experiences. I work for an auto manufacturer as an engineer, and live in a nice apartment in fairly upmarket suburban neighbourhood, and drive a nice, new-ish foreign performance car. All this is relevant because of the following:
I get stopped by police while walking around to have my ID checked on a regular basis. Once they caught me whilst I was on a run and started to get my phone out (as I put my residence card in my phone case). Before I could say anything they said I wasn't allowed to take video or call anyone unless I went to the koban with them. Once I showed them my ID, they let me go without apologising.
On 3 separate occasions, I've parked outside the SAME convenience store to get some stuff and come outside to find police officers around my car. Each time, they've asked me for documentation and carried out a full search of me, my belongings, and my vehicle. One police officer even asked me how I bought my car despite only being here (at the time) for less than 6 months.
I've had the police called on me while I was putting my nametag up outside my door. They not only asked me for my ID, but demanded I show them a Juuminhyou (for those not in Japan, this is like a government issued proof of address document). The thing is, a Juuminhyou isn't something people regularly keep on hand - you only really need them if you're doing something that requires proof of address (such as buying a car or setting up a bank account), and your address will be on the back of your residence card anyway. This was shortly after I'd moved in so I had a few spare copies from when I'd registered at the city hall, but most people probably wouldn't have had one.
One Sunday morning, I was on the way back from the convenience store down the road from my place. As I returned to my flat, I stopped to check the wheels of my car for some scratches (as I was afraid I'd kerbed it the previous evening and couldn't check in low light). Next thing I know, these two cops (who I'd already noticed) come up to me and ask me why I'm looking at my own car. Despite pulling out my keys in front of them and unlocking it, they demanded to see my license, registration, and insurance documents. Once all those were sorted, they demanded to see my parking certificate to prove that I was authorised to park in that specific spot in my building's parking lot (in Japan, all cars must have a police-issued certificate that specifies its "home" parking spot).
People stare at me as I walk down the street, mask on, completely normal clothes. I've had people literally stop and stare while I'm in the supermarket, like I'm some kind of zoo animal.
To be clear, most people here are really nice and courteous (even if it's just superficial and for the sake of appearances). And, for the most part, my interactions with the police have been neutral at worst, courteous at best (albeit just annoying and embarrassing when in a particularly busy area or near my actual residence). I think a lot of people here have what I'd call "benign ignorance". They just don't know how to deal with people who are different, and don't know that the things that they do are offensive in particular. Also, there are clear "tiers" of foreigners, and other Asians are one of the lower tiers in terms of the public perception here.
This is all just part of life in Japan.
我是南亚裔英国人，住在爱知县的一个偏僻小镇上，我也有过类似经历。我是一家汽车制造商的工程师，住在郊区高档住宅区一套不错的公寓里，开着一辆不错的新外国车。我说这些是有用的，因为下面的事：
1、我在街上走的时候经常被警察拦下检查身份证。有一次我在跑步的时候他们拦住我，把我手机拿走（因为我把居留证放在手机套里）。我还没来得及开口，他们就说我不能拍视频或给人打电话，除非我和他们一起去派出所。我给他们看了身份证，他们让我走了，没有道歉。
2、有三次，我把车停在同一家便利店外面去买东西，出来的时候发现警察围着我的车。每次他们都要求我提供文件，对我和我的物品、车进行全面搜查。一个警察甚至问我，刚来不到6个月（当时）我是怎么买车的。
3、我在门外挂名牌时被警察叫住。他们不仅要求我出示身份证，还要求我出示Juuminhyou（这像是政府签发的地址证明文件）。问题是，Juuminyou不是人们日常随身携带的东西，只有当你在办需要地址证明的事情时（比如买车或开银行账户），你才需要它，而且你的地址明明就在你居住卡的背面。这是我刚搬来不久的事，所以我有一些备用副本，但大多数人可能没有。
4、一个星期天的早上，在从便利店回来的路上，当我回到公寓时，我停下来检查了我的车轮是不是有划痕（因为我担心前天晚上它弄坏了，在昏暗的光线下没法检查）。我记得的下一件事是，两个警察走过来问我为什么要看自己的车。尽管在他们面前拿出我的钥匙并解锁，他们还是要求看我的驾照、注册和保险文件。这些都做完，他们又要求看我的停车证，以证明我有权在我房子停车场的特定地点停车（在日本，所有汽车必须有警察签发的证明，明确“家里”的停车位）。
5、当我走在街上，明明我戴着口罩，穿着完全正常的衣服，人们还是会盯着我看。当我在超市时，人们真的会停下来盯着我看，就好像我是某种动物园里的动物一样。
我要明确说明，这里的大多数人很好，很有礼貌（即使只是表面上的）。而且，在大多数情况下，我与警察打的交道在最坏的情况下也是中立的，在最好的情况下他们很有礼貌（尽管在特别繁忙的地区或在我住所附近时让人很恼火、很尴尬）。我想这里很多人都经历过我所说的“善意的无知”。他们不知道如何与不同的人打交道，也不知道他们所做的事情特别冒犯人。另外，外国人也有明显的“等级”，在日本公众的观感里，其他亚洲人的等级比较低。
这只是日本生活的一部分。
This is spot on. Discrimination based on skin color is rife in Japan.
I'm British and white. My friend is British and black. Came to Japan at the same time, same background, live in the same area, went to the same university here. Almost carbon copies. I've never been stopped by the police, he gets stopped all the time.
说得很对，基于肤色的歧视在日本很普遍。
我是英国白人，我朋友是英国黑人。同时来到日本，有着相同的背景，住在同一地区，上同一所大学。非常类似。但我从来没有被警察拦过，而他总是被警察拦住。
I think black people have it the worst here... although an argument could be made for Chinese and Korean people, too. As South Asians, we're kind of just underestimated and unknown. My South Asian friends in the big cities don't get too much grief.
However, black people are straight up assumed to be criminals or anti-social - see: the video of the guy who got stopped and searched in Tokyo, and the police officer admitted to stopping him because "people like him often carry drugs". As for Chinese and Koreans? The amount of vitriol towards them that's common and somewhat socially accepted is frankly insane.
我认为黑人在这里的情况最糟糕，尽管你也可以争论说是中国人和韩国人。作为南亚人，我们有点被轻视。不过我在大城市的南亚朋友倒也不会太悲伤。
然而，黑人直接被当做罪犯或反社会分子来看待，参考那个在东京被拦下搜查的家伙的视频，警察承认拦下他是因为“像他这样的人经常携带毒品”。至于中国人和韩国人？对他们尖酸刻薄是很普遍的，而且这在某种程度上被社会所接受，这真是疯狂。
This. The biggest difference I've seen between being black in Japan and America has been that in Japan, I'm less likely to get shot. That's literally it. People often say that I look scary cause I'm just a large black dude vibing in the streets. By nature, I go out lf my way to not bother people, so in that sense I fit right in. Unfortunately, every little thing we do is under a microscope. My favorite is if I ask someone a question in Japanese and they panic and start saying "Ai Kanto Supikku Ingurishu." It happens every time. I know my language skills aren't the best. I think I suck at Japanese tbh, but most people who know me are able to get what I'm saying--even if it's just the gist of words I don't know yet.
The only thing that's kept me here so long is my relationship to my bf. It's not like we can get married in Japan anyway and he cant come to America with me due to expensive medications and when I go back, I'd have to find a job immediately. (He also can't speak English to save his life lmao). He's been one of the very few native Japanese people I've met who has treated me like a human being and not just some walking frightening stereotype. (His mom is also cool and his dad...well otoosan doesn't need to know we're dating just yet...he has a big mouth).
作为一个黑人，我觉得在日本和在美国最大的区别是，在日本我不太可能被枪击。这是真的。人们经常说我看起来很吓人，因为我是个在街上晃悠的大块头黑人。我的天性不喜欢打扰别人，所以从这方面来说，我很适合日本。不幸的是，我们做的每一件小事都会被放到显微镜下观察。我最喜欢的是，如果我用日语问某人问题，他们会吓一跳，然后说“Ai Kanto Supiku Ingurishu【我不会说英语】”，每次都会这样。我知道我的语言能力不是非常好，我的日语很烂，但大多数认识我的人都能听懂我在说什么——哪怕是我还不知道的词义。
唯一让我呆在日本这么久的原因是我和我男朋友的关系。我们不能在日本结婚，他也不能和我一起去美国，因为医药费太贵了。当我回去的时候，我必须马上找到一份工作才行(他也不会说英语)。他是我遇到的少数几个把我当人对待的日本本地人之一，而不是以刻板印象来对待我。他的妈妈也很酷，至于他的爸爸……otoosan现在还不需要知道我们在约会……他是个大嘴巴）。
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Hey! I'm an Indian too and it sucks that everyone glares at you for no reason and when you get subjected to extra scrutiny. I guess it would take some time for things to be not this way here as the number of foreigners currently are low and brown people even lower. The number feels incredibly low. I have traveled to Europe and US and can say the colour diversity here is really low given that it's one of the first world country.
我也是印度人，在你受到额外的检查、所有人都无缘无故的盯着你看的情况下，这很糟糕。我想这需要一段时间才能让事情改变，因为现在外国人的数量很少，而棕色人种更少，少得难以置信。我去过欧洲和美国，考虑到日本是发达国家之一，可以说，这里的肤色多样性真的很低。
To be fair, I've seen police beat people for nothing at all; store owners smack their (probably lower caste) staff across the face; and other such while traveling in India. Not that that excuses Japanese racism, and maybe that's not the experience of an Indian able to come work in Japan, but all things considered.....
平心而论，我在印度旅行时见过警察无缘无故地打人，店主打他员工（可能是低种姓）的耳光，还有其他情况。这不是为日本人的种族主义找借口，也许这不是一个印度人能在日本经历到的事情，但考虑到所有的事情……
India is still developing, Japan is developed.
印度还是发展中国家，日本已经是发达国家了。
Economic development has nothing to do with anti-discrimination or a culture of racial/ethnic tolerance.
经济发展水平与反歧视或种族宽容文化无关。
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i'm surprised they confronted you about it. Usually Japanese people just whisper behind your back and avoid confrontation. If they're coming to you to kick them out, I would ask them to show you where it says that the park is Japanese only. Then I would accuse them of 人種差別 as well. You can't do anything about them staring, thats the downside of being a minority in a homogenous country. I'm pretty sure what they're doing is illegal. You can also try recording them when they kick you out and make a video about it (make sure you're very respectful on camera so that it's obvious they are in the wrong)
我很惊讶他们当着楼主的面这么说。通常日本人只会在你背后私语，避免对抗。如果他们要来赶你走，我会让他们带着去看看哪有写这个公园只属于日本人。我也会谴责他们有“人种差別”思想。对于他们盯着你看，这做不了什么，这也是在一个同质化的国家里少数群体的不利之处。我很确定他们所做的是违法的。当他们赶你时，你可以试着把他们录下来，做成一段视频(在镜头前你要表现得有礼，这样就显得他们是错的)。
I'm Asian, but because I'm a little tanned, a lot of people think I'm Philippina. I'm not. My family is from Okinawa.
Once, I went to a very small local drugstore after being at 7-11, where I bought only food.
I put the bag from 7-11 on the counter and was looking into my purse to get the money to pay. The cashier/owner opened and checked the contents of my bag. She didn't say anything, just did it. She saw everything was food, closed the bag and didn't say a word. She didn't apologize, nothing. It was if nothing had happened.
I was so in shock, I just paid and left the store. I couldn't process what just happened to me.
我是亚洲人，但因为我晒得有点黑，很多人都认为我是菲律宾人。我不是，我家是冲绳的。
有一次，在去了7-11便利店买了食物后，我又去了当地一家很小的药店。
我把7-11便利店的袋子放在柜台上，想要拿钱包付账。收银员还是店主打开并检查了我袋子里的东西。她什么也没说，就这么做了。她看到所有东西都是食物，就合上袋子，一句话也没说。她没有道歉，什么也没有，就好像她没做过什么糟糕的事情一样。
我非常震惊，付了钱就离开了商店。我无法接受刚刚发生在我身上的事。
As a cashier I would never search anyone’s bag, my store has a policy if you think someone is stealing let it go, if you get it wrong you can be in serious trouble. It is also very rude and disrespectful. You can ask is anything in the bag from this store?
作为一名收银员，我永远不会检查任何人的袋子，我们商店有一条规定，如果你认为有人在偷东西，让他走吧，如果你搞错了会很麻烦。这也很粗鲁无礼。你可以问袋子里有本店的东西吗？
Exactly, ask first. If she did it, I'd show her right away. I have nothing to hide. But the fact that she didn't even ask permission to touch my things was disrespectful.
没错，先问问。如果她问了，我会马上给她看。我没什么好隐瞒的。但事实上，她都没有征求我的许可就触碰我的东西，这很不尊重。
I would have completely assumed that she thought you were putting the bag on the counter to cash out some stuff you had put in your bag
我假设她以为你把袋子放在柜台上是为了付袋子里东西的帐。
Why would I put a merchandise from that store inside a bag from a different store? Or inside any bag I was carrying before entering the store? That's why there are shopping baskets.
为什么我要把其他商店的东西放到这个商店的袋子去？或放进我进店前带的袋子里？这就是会有购物篮的原因。
Tbf I do that sometimes, the supermarket baskets around my area can be filthy so id rather use a bag I already have
老实说我有时会这么做，附近超市的购物篮很脏，所以我宁愿用我已经有的袋子。
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I’m sorry that you’re going through this. It’s definitely a struggle to live outside your own country. I can’t say that I have this experience, although like yourself I am visually foreign.
If people are bothering you for the wrong reasons, stand your ground is my advice. Ask for the manager, threaten to call the police, demand an apology. In my experience, Japanese people really hate it when you make a scene and involve them in it. Being troublesome will likely discourage them from bothering you (and potentially others) in the future.
And in the case of shopping or housing, you can vote with your wallet and refuse to do business or live around discriminatory people.
I have plenty of friends and family in Japan, and I could care less what some stranger thinks. I hope that you can find your own peace here. Good luck!
对楼主的经历我很遗憾。在自己国家之外生活绝对是一种拼搏。我不能说我有这样的经历，尽管像你一样我也是显眼的外国人。
如果有人因为错误的原因烦扰你，我的建议是坚持你的立场。找经理，威胁要报警，要求他道歉。根据我的经验，日本人真的很讨厌当众吵闹还把他们也牵扯进去。这种麻烦可能会让他们以后不再烦扰你。
在购物或住房方面，你可以用你的钱包投票，拒绝与某人做生意，或不住在歧视者旁边。
我在日本有很多朋友和家人，我不在乎一些陌生人怎么想。我希望你能在这里找到平静的方法。祝你好运！
My best friend was Indian and she married a boy from Hiroshima. His family never accepted her. She was always one to speak her mind. They divorced. It was a really hard time in her life and I remember her talking about the people in the neighborhoods thinking she was a prostitute because her skin was darker than Japanese skin. It is really hard in Japan for other Asians, I think.
Best advice I have is to remember how small those people are. Their Japanese pride hurts their ability to see the world as it is. Rise above it. Not all Japanese are like that. You will make good friends. You will be seen by some as something more than the color of your skin.
Believe in yourself. Be strong. Chase your dreams.
我最好的朋友是印度人，她嫁给了一个广岛的男孩。他的家人从未接受过她。她是个直言不讳的人。他们离婚了。那是她生活中非常艰难的时期，我记得她谈到邻居时，那些邻居认为她是妓女，因为她的皮肤比日本人黑。我觉得其他亚洲人在日本真的很难。
我最好的建议是记住那些人有多渺小。日本人的自豪感伤害了他们看待世界的能力。克服它。不是所有日本人都是这样的。你会交到好朋友。总会有不在意你肤色的人。
相信自己。要坚强。追逐你的梦想。
It seems Indian women marrying Japanese is far rarer than the other way around.
似乎印度女人嫁给日本男人远远少过反过来。
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I don’t think you are living in a right area for you. If it’s a small town or whatever, of course they would see you as someone different, but that’s not a problem ONLY in Japan. It happens anywhere even in the U.S. if you live in a big city where any ethnicity exist everywhere, then they wouldn’t bother you. Majority of Japanese people are not that aggressive, and try to avoid as much trouble as possible. If you don’t do anything bad to them, they wouldn’t do any to you either. That my opinion.
我认为你住的地方不合适。如果是个小镇或之类的地方，他们当然会另眼相看，但这问题也不只是日本存在。各个地方都有，连美国也有。如果你住在一个大城市，有很多各种各样的种族，那么他们不会烦扰你。大多数日本人没那么有挑衅性，他们会尽量避免麻烦。如果你没有对他们做任何糟糕的事，他们也不会对你做。这是我的意见。
Weird people are in every country and every region. I recommend that you ignore it.
每个国家、每个地区都有奇怪的人。我建议你无视它。
I’ve heard of people staring at people but kicking you out of the park? That’s a dick move. Sorry you have to go through this.
我听说会有人盯着别人看，但把你赶出公园？那是糟糕的举动。对你的经历感到抱歉。
In any other country I would say „call the police“ if someone would claim that a park is only for a certain nationality. But that definitely doesn‘t work in Japan, the police will just treat you like a criminal and it will make you feel even worse. I‘m curious how they kick you out though? Do you just leave voluntarily or do they use violence to remove you? If it‘s the first situation, just ignore them. Seriously, just turn your back to them and keep on playing. If they get agressive and try to grab or push you, you should record that and only then go to the police, because only then they can‘t blame you and they‘ll actually be forced to do something. You should also try sending such videos to journalists.
I don‘t have any other advice. The only thing I can add is that if park or restaurant employees want to kick you out because you‘re a foreign national, you can get a lawyer and launch a civil lawsuit, but it‘s not really worth it. You will pay more for your lawyer than you will from the lawsuit, if you get any compensation at all that is.
Unfortunately I don‘t see things changing in our lifetime, since the government definitely want pass a law against racial discrimination. The government itself even participates in discrimination of foreign nationals, so there‘s no way they‘ll do anything to help us. That being said, never accept discriminational treatment. You should always try to fight it somehow, but the reality is that there‘s nit a lot of optiins in Japan.
如果有人声称公园只有某国人能用，如果这是在其他国家，我都会说“报警”。但这在日本绝对行不通，警察只会把你当罪犯来对待，这会让你的感觉更糟。不过我很好奇他们是怎么把你赶走的？是你自愿离开还是他们用暴力把你赶走？如果是第一种情况，直接无视他们。说真的，你就直接转身继续玩。如果他们变得咄咄逼人，试图抓住你或推你，你应该记录下来，然后去找警察，因为只有这样他们才不能责怪你，然后他们才不得不被迫做一些事情。你也应该试着发这样的视频给记者。
我没有其他建议了。我唯一能补充的是，如果公园或餐厅的员工因为你是外国人而想把你赶出去，你可以找个律师，发起民事诉讼，但这并不值得。你付的律师费会比你获得的赔偿多，如果你能得到赔偿的话。
不幸的是，在我们的有生之年，我们无法看到事情的改变，因为政府肯定不希望通过一项反对种族歧视的法律。甚至政府本身都参与了对外国人的歧视，所以他们不可能做什么事情来帮助我们。话虽如此，千万不要接受歧视性对待。你应该设法与之斗争，但现实是，在日本没有多少选择。
As far as the park thing goes, that's pretty scummy. Anyone is allowed in a public park, so you don't have to oblige anybody who tells you that you can't play ball in a park because the park is for "Japanese people only". And brown and black people are probably at higher risk of this kind of discrimination, I totally believe that, and it's awful.
But foreigners get stared at all the time. If it's any consolation at all, even as a white man I often got the curious glare when I lived there. Funny story, a couple of weeks after I moved into my student apartment when I was on exchange, I was standing outside my door when two Japanese girls came out of an apartment a few apartments down the hall, and as soon as they saw me they grimaced in pure terror and hurried back in, only to then gently peek out from behind the door in utter bafflement of my existence.
I was also once profusely yelled at in the bus for standing up to get off because the bus was still in motion. In my country, there is no such rule, but I didn't know this about Japan. Imagine me sitting down at a milisecond's notice after suddenly hearing "PURISU SITTO DAUN, PURISU SITTO DAUN!!!!!". I thought the attitude was uncalled for, but it is what it is.
就公园的事情而言，这很糟糕。任何人都可以进入公园，所以如果有人告诉你不能在公园里打球，因为公园是“日本人专用”的，你不用鸟他。棕色皮肤的人和黑人可能更容易受到这种歧视，我完全相信这一点，这很可怕。
但外国人总是会被盯着看的。如果说有什么可以安慰的，那就是即使作为一个白人，我也经常遭受好奇的目光。说个有趣的故事，那时我在做交换生，在我搬进学生公寓几周后，我站在门外，两个日本女孩从公寓里沿着走廊出来。她们一看到我就吓得脸都变了，匆匆跑了回去，然后从门后悄悄地向外望，对我的存在感到非常困惑。
还有一次，我在公交车上因为站起来想要下车而被大喊，因为公共汽车还在行驶。在我的国家没有这样的规定，但我不知道日本有这样的规定。想象一下，突然听到“PURISU SITTO DAUN，PURISU SITTO DAUN！！【请坐下】”后，我立马坐下来的景象。我认为这种态度是不必要的，但事实就是这样的。
I'm not Indian, but I lived in a small town in Aichi and I would have similar problems in certain places. My best advice on this is to rise above it. Those are small minds you're dealing with there, don't go down to their level. I did notice that when I traveled to Yokohama, Tokyo and Osaka, I NEVER had that problem. People in those cities seem pretty used to seeing foreigners so they either don't care or are at least smart enough to keep it to themselves.
我不是印度人，但我也住在爱知县的一个小镇上，在某些地方我也会遇到类似的问题。对此，我最好的建议是克服它。你遇到的都是些心胸狭窄的人，别跟他们一样。我确实注意到，当我去横滨、东京和大阪时从来没有遇到过这种问题。这些城市的人似乎很习惯见到外国人，所以他们要么不在乎，要么足够聪明把它藏在心里。
I may be downvoted at all here but
That's why I don't get all mad when I see some gaijin smash situations. Like, some japanese are so "white adorers" at same time they are racist against SE/South Asians that's funny to see they getting mad when a western shits on their faces.
我的回复很可能会被踩，但是
这就是当我看到一些gaijin smash的情况时我不会生气的原因。比如，一些日本人是极端的“白人崇拜者”，同时他们对东南亚、南亚人又是种族主义者，当西方人打他们脸时，他们会很气，这很有意思。
what is a gaijin smash??
gaijin smash是什么？？
When a gai-jin, foreigner, breaks Japanese cultural conventions intentionally or mistakenly, and then ignores anyone who tries give a reproach for their behavior.
Pretending not to understand the Japanese language and intentionally speaking bad Japanese to get out of any situation.
Basically speaking it's when you give a fuck to any japanese social rules (and japanese people too) at all just using the excuse you're a foreigner.
1、当外国人有意或无意的打破日本的文化习俗，然后无视那些想要谴责其行为的人。
2、假装不懂日语，或故意说蹩脚的日语以摆脱各种情况。
基本上来说，就是拿你是外国人当借口，不鸟任何日本人的社会规则（还有日本人）。